Most have already made announcements on social media.

Forestville announced about a month ago.

Sturt, West, Norwood, South about 2 weeks ago

Woodvilles and north out as well. Haven't seen Southern, Eastern or central's.
As to OP, talk about lazy. You want other people to copy and paste from clubs pages themselves, why don't you spend a couple of minutes yourself and do it. Does your mum still tie up your shoelaces in the morning?

Southern have announced most of theirs as well

"Well Read", maybe you are not.

Woodville announced their 18 Boys coach about two weeks ago.

So did Southern, and you didn't even include them at all!

Some strong line ups there

Well Read, are you OK? Do you always get so worked up over nothing? Take it easy champ.

If you know who Well Read is, you'll understand why his behaviour is so odd.

Peter Berry for Woodville u18 boys. Very strong lineup.

Alan Thai at Southern in 18 boys.

Yes. I think we need to give a massive shoutout to Scott Freer.

Once upon a time the Division 1 coach had a level of oversight for the age group so I would say even for lower divisions, the Div 1 coach is important for understanding style. Also in general (besides parents who coach) these are the best the club has to offer, giving people a look at what to expect across all divisions.

Lastly its a bit like high taxing the rich, negative gearing and franking credits while people don't benefit from them now, they also hope to in the future. While parents may know their child isn't in Div 1 now, they are hoping they'll get there soon enough.

What happened to the super-Forestville coaches lineup? The NBL1 coaches from last year were going to turn it around. All got too hard? Easier just to spend the money to recruit players to the men's team than develop the program? Serious question, just wondering where these guys have all gone.

Forestville?

One change by the look of it on the boys side.

Simons replaced by Stratford, current SA Country head coach. Seems good to me.

Where they have all gone? Lol!

Simons coaches the NBL1 team and his U16 Assistant, Dix, is assisting Stratford again, don't think they’ve gone anywhere

There's been a gradual decline of coaching talent over a few years at Forestville. There's been a massive decline over a few years at Forestville with playing talent. That's what happens when you don't invest in your Junior Program, assuming players will keep showing up, while Clubs west, north and south of you have made changes and newer better venues have been built.

Andy spat the dummy when BSA said that he couldn't have DJ play despite asserting he was born February 29, so technically he only had a birthday every 4 years, hence making him 8 and in under 10s. BSA believing this uncharacteristically showed some backbone and said DJ was too young to play under 16s, Andy's team. The matter is now before the courts.

Starting to recover? Ignoring results obviously. The boys program is getting worse not better.

The club is stuck in the 70s. Wayville isn't the drawcard it once was. The big name ex-player parents have all mostly moved on too.

Keep telling yourself things are getting better, the other clubs will enjoy the Eagles slipping back to the easy beats they were pre-Wayville.

Forestville boys is like the Woodville pre-2021, or the Centrals pre-2010. The club are really messed up in their junior boys. Problem for Forestville right now is they are a closed shop, recycling the old ways and people and those that just blindly follow them. Hard decisions need to be made, they need an influx of innovative, modern basketball people with proven success to get them back up and on track.

To be fair, current results are a lagging indicator of previous management.

To 564's point: during that time Forestville have been completely non-competitive in the younger age groups, and have paid the price with the average standard falling well behind, and their best players leaving for other clubs. The current u10s are losing by about 30ppg... which is shockingly an improvement on previous years!

There have been some decent coaches in Forestville's boys program over the years, but primarily in older age groups. Their u16 and 18s have performed consistently, and reasonably well before this season, but history shows if you make a mess of u10/12s then it's virtually impossible to recover.

Time will tell if current management have learned from past mistakes.

Seems after selecting Dickel for the wrong reasons they decided the Club didn't need a JCD at all. Haven't had one since then. The results reflect the lack of investment.

No idea who runs their Juniors currently, the Basketball Operations page of their website is completely blank. Couldn't find an actual name or specific contact anywhere.

Looking at results
U10 1 Last 0-14
U10 2 No team
U12 1 Last 0-15
U12 2 Last 0-15
U14 1 Last 0-15
U14 2 8th 2-12
U16 1 Last 1-14
U16 2 8th 3-12
U18 1 9th 2-13
U18 2 8th 5-10

Has any established club had results like this on their boys side. Even when Woodville and Centrals (as used as examples above) were struggling they had at least some competitive groups and usually at least 1 top 4 side.

With all the benefits of a good venue, good central location, no debt, regular fundraising events, high BSA foot traffic things a few other clubs can only dream about they are clearly the worst boys club in Adelaide.

Brad Haydon and Shane Croxton have been the coaching directors since Dickel.

An inability to run a domestic competition also hurts due to church and BSA taking priority. Nonetheless, the state of their boys program is inexcusable.

How would you describe Sturt's rapid decline. Went from being a power to now staring into the abyss. What happened, how and when? All good learnings.

Both Haydon and Croxton were focused on running the office much more than being a JCD. They were part time JCD's at best.

#586, they've gone down the Forestville path. Part-time Manager, part-time JCD. And sacked the best recruiter ever in junior basketball.

#583 the Domestic issue is a cop out. Nothing stopping them playing games away from Wayville. North did it.

Court availability does stop them. Like I said: not an excuse, but it is a factor.

There were far better candidates who interviewed when they hired Croxton.

Seemed a stupid decision at the time and even more stupid seeing what has happened since.

Those clubs that are strong in younger age boys (u10 - u12) are there in large part due to successful domestic programs South, Norwood, Sturt, North. Do you really think summer season u10 would have anything to do with the caliber of coaching at that level. They are picking there best teams from 130 kids rather than 30. Country teams such as southern, eastern and centrals then become stronger in u14 up as they pick up the more dedicated state country level players.

This is coupled with the fact that clearances between clubs go up each year and very rarely is it someone moving from a strong team to a weak one, it is largely the best kids in a weaker team moving to a stronger team. So a club that starts behind the eight ball, looses there best couple of kids and although progress year on year will never be able to compete. Conversely a stronger club will pick up there best kids, casing point have a look at Sturt's u18 boys div 1, I would guess at least 5 players had played at another club and moved to win.

Alot has been made about Forestville's Coaching Directors being a determinate to there boys but why are there girls so strong and why would they not get credit for that. Its because no club yet has a strong girls domestic program, Forestville has been winning so picks up the best girls the exact opposite as to what is happening on the boys side.

If five of Sturt 18 div 1 boys moved there to win they must be pretty pissed about how that's worked out for them.

Wow, knew Forestville boys weren't traveling great but seein those records on paper is startling, especially for a "powerhouse" club.
Surely this is a huge worry to their committee unless they are just worried about senior results. I mean Norwood are a mess politically, but they get results in lower age groups just based on picking kids from a larger base, then they get older and other teams bypass them from their peaks in 14s.

#608 what you wrote was mostly nonsense but in regards to Forestville's girls program its important to remember the standard from which they're coming down from.

Forestville were the best girls program in Adelaide, with depth, the best coaches and the best elite kids. They are sliding just that they had a significant head start. And a reputation as the best which brings kids in, with no effort.

Their U18 1s are top but no other 1s are. 16s and 14s are still holding on, U12s out of the mix in a grade they won numerous recent titles, were always 1 or 2 and had double div 2s in.

U10s last, again a grade they were top 1-2 for the last 8 odd years.

The girls program is dropping off as well. Just they were so ahead of the pack its a slower decline.


If its just Domestic, why are Sturt dropping off despite having the longest running Domestic comp?

What's the story with Holland moving on?

Wasn't asked back

A little off topic but do Clubs or families even know what the 2021 Basketball Year will look like?

When is Round 1 of Summer, I've heard Promotion/Relegation is in, I've heard its kind of in, I've heard its not.

I've heard Under 20s are back but no Club ran Under 20 trials that I'm aware of or announced coaches. Is State Championships back in May? Or being run like it used to be.

I can't see a Calendar on the BSA Website. Hard to make decisions about the year ahead, the cost of fees and the commitment as a family when there's so little information out.

I did ask my club, they said they were still waiting on BSA to confirm.

Using grading season for Classics qualification would be a disaster for basketball in this state.

What idiot came up with that idea?

Nothing BSA does really relevant to player development at the end of the day. They can do competitions restructure, they can do stuff in the HP space. None of it has any impact whatsoever on high level player development.

If anything all the BSA rubbish is a slight distraction and waste of money from the things that do matter.

BSA has made itself irrelevant over the past decade in this space. Blow it up, keep it, change it. None of it matters anymore.

Not sure they made themselves irrelevant, more like they have been unable to keep up with progress.

Getting back on track, a few interesting announcements there.

No Holland at Forestville, but as far as I can see not names anywhere else yet.
Peter Berry on the move to Woodville.
No Adam Todd at North?

Peter Berry back home to Woodville. Holland focusing on State duties I guess.

Well Read, no. Todd not coaching Div 2.

Todd was reason norths boys became very good, respected and held all his players accountable. Jantke comes in, plays favourites and pisses off team. Now the great Flynn will try his hand at 18s.
Todd is a great loss, a lot more than these gurus that have come in to take advantage of his hard work.
As for Holland, how can you not be asked back unless she applied and they said no which seems very strange. Wonder if Forestville girls program will go way of Woodville girls program when she got shafted there.

Applied, was unsuccessful

That's disgraceful if Jantke, who clearly failed with the unbeatable 18 squad, who Toddy developed and never lost with, has been given the 16's.
Adam Todd is a proven winner and developer and most importantly, a lifetime Rocket.
Who ever allowed that should be hung for treason.

holland gone because her and pritchard didn't get along

All the years of not turning up to training, leaving early have finally caught up with Holland.
Had the best talent for the past 10 years, girls could coach themselves and still win every week. Forestville have finally woken up to it.
If true, not surprising Pritchard has won the power struggle even after 1 year in their program. Quality coach.
Surely BSA move her on next and follow John Turnbull out the door?

Problem is the next gen of state coaches isn't an improvement. They're already proven to be not up to it.

^i think I can guess, but as a hypothetical, include something about the club, like I was cooking last night and nearly burnt myself on a flame from the oven.

Ffs, just say it. Was it Webber?

Centrals finally released their lineups, no Toby. Any news on that, cant have gone elsewhere with everyone announcing their lineups. Good old Centrals, last yet again. And Ricky to coach 16 girls, can he bring their average losing margins under 60?

Toby gone to north to assist janx

Where's Ryan Vivian at Southern?

Huge mistake by Southern letting Deano go. Vivian gone, Berry gone.

Will BSA publish shape of 2021 before Xmas?

The word is....

9 round summer season + 1 week of finals (grading for div 3 and lower) kicking off mid February ending early May

18 round winter season + finals kicking off mid May ending mid November

State champs to be held in May as well over 2 weekends.
U12 / U14 then U16 / U18 the following weekend or however they decide to split the age groups.

Still up in the air regarding div 1 being fully timed over summer season. Heard conflicting reports.

So we're just going to repeat failed history in 2021. This is what happens when the place is run by people with no experience or knowledge of the past. BSA keeping this all hush hush probably because they know they have no idea.

What is the failed history to which you refer?

Don't think Southern let Deano go...they ushered him out the back door.

That would be an accurate representation. I think now it's a case of recovery mode from that era.

822, is that why they've both gone?
I've seen Berry is going to Woodville, but haven't seen Vivian announced elsewhere.

Being involved or associated with a state program doesn't automatically equal success.

No but it does show a willingness to learn and develop at least.

That is a lot of experience to lose and it's mostly younger coaches who could have been there a long time. Nyberg included.

Such as? Southern had a good group of young coaches that have all now left.

Dean's a couple of cheeseburgers away from being anywhere a long time.

No matter what you think of some of those guys, losing Vivian, Nyberg, Berry and Alexander in the space of just over 12 months is a loss of a huge amount of experience and success at various levels.

What ever it is, I think you could agree that having 4 div 1 coaches leave on the one side of your program over such a short period, shows there is something wrong.
Look at Berry, if they win the GF, he would have won state champs and GF in the one season and still wants to leave!
Something must be happening.

What is happening? Changing of the guard and finally building a successful program based on good ethics, sustainable growth and development.

No signs of growth down there right now.

Also fat shaming in 2020 is a good way to lose an arguement before you start. There's no way you'd say that aboue a female or to someone's face.

Fact is Southern have made some big mistakes in their recovery from debt. Will be interesting to see if the implosion costs them members again like every other time they've turn on their own.

017, changing of the guard implies that these people are being moved on so the club can rebuild.

All of those guys have moved on by choice. That's a big problem.

Berry is like Jantke, only went to southern because they had a great team.

Nice story. Not at all true.

027, you know this how? Did he tell you?

Coaches like Berry & Stratford going to help junior Boys programs like Woodville & Forestville should be applauded, taking on the big challenges. That's the mark of a real Coach. Anyone can go to Norwood North Sturt etc and do well...no prestige in that.
Helping turn around a struggling program has far more merit.

OMG that rubbish is almost as bad as suggesting Berry went to Southern in the first place to win.

If you don't know the reasons maybe just don't speak up.

Apparently Forestville have picked up a few U16 country boys already.

Smart move, let's face it they’ll play a lot and be coached by the U18 Country state coach. Inside running to play Nationals in a couple of years.

Country boys are average. They'll still come last. And when he's replaced as State coach it will all be for nothing. Standard basketball con job.

These Forestville kids will still be like lambs to the slaughter.

034, he did actually! The guy ain't a saint.

No, he didn't.
End of story.

Now that all Clubs have announced Div 1 coaches, and some also Division 2 coaches all who have put their hand up to volunteer their time for the growth of kids should be applauded. There will no doubt be continued debate about the quality, experience etc of those named but we should remember they are all people with work and family commitments giving their time to support the game and the kids that play.
Those who continue to give their time to coach, referee, supervise etc are not to blame for the mistakes of managements which have cost the sport so many talented and skilled people. They are the ones still putting their hands up and we should direct our frustration appropriately.

I am not from SA, so don't know the scene there, but while is there some much anger and dislike at clubs and coaches? Maybe thats why you can ever win anything.
Assume that if your giving an opinion have been a DOC, or state coach or coached at Div 1 level or been involved at solving the problems....

brunson you might as well said, "I'm not racist but ...."

Fair to say the environment Berry left at Southern was much different to when he agreed to join them. Perhaps that played a part.

Which clubs have the best coaching lineups now? There doesn't seem to be one standout.

Woodville's line-up would have to be up there on the boys sides as a stand-out. Even the girls with Jaunutis and Morris is much improved.

If you break it down, North in a heartbeat. Success breeds success and North is riding the wave.

162, if you break it down, maybe, but definitely not "in a heartbeat"

West have greatly improved over a number of years. Good to see some quality appointments across a number of clubs.

Sixers safe to say opinions will vary considerably from your point of view.

Opinions are like arseholes, everyone has one.

Sturt the most over rated line up for sure. I wouldn't let my kid be coached by most on that list.

Coaching quality going backwards

South 2020 > South 2021

How do you measure it?

Years of experience

Levels coached at and years of experience at the level

Successful results

Demonstrable player development

Overall athlete/parent satisfaction

Knowledge and IQ - demonstrated by personal development opportunities

Respect and valued networks to enhance opportunities for the athletes

Value adds - things like committee experience, developing pathways for the athletes, player workouts, video breakdown.

For boys overall, I'd go:

North
Sturt
Woodville
Norwood
Forestville
Centrals
West
Southern
South
Eastern

Who are the strong girls coaches at Southern? Have I missed something?

mmm..."Woodville have acheived what in the last couple of years"

Almost nothing, but that has nothing to do with the topic of conversation. They are a much improved coaching lineup. Hopefully they can start to turn things around.

See Flynn has taken no time at north into introducing his style of play plan. Scammed so many clubs a few years back into producing one for them, all now been thrown away. Understable in speaking and working with inexperienced coaches, and understand the concept of continuity of kids advancing as they move age groups. But this just limits coaches in their own philosophy. What if you don't want to play packline, amongst other concepts he pushed on clubs. Terminology, kids aren't that stupid, they can pickup what the coach means when they say wing, 45, foul line extended, etc.
Coaches should be encouraged to find out what works for them as well, instead of this dictatorial style. Adam Todd really built that boys program in the 16s, if he was still there do you tell him to change what's been working. Can really see the north boys relapsing, already happened in 18s where they were the dream team, only an idiot could have stuffed up.
A good JDO/coaching director works with their coaches, not telling the top coaches how they'll coach their team. Their main job should be with the new coaches and players, hoping to find a diamond in the rough.
Just an ego trip for some people.

Adam Todd's had the most talented team in the comp (before he put in work with them) for the past several years. What exactly did he build? All that's happened is the rest of the comp catching up. 4 potential state players this year and couldn't even make the state champs GF, let alone win it like expected.

Sixers, yep #260's post was ridiculous and showed he or she has no idea.

Which is ironic considering your attempt at rating the coaching lineups.

Did last night results validate people's opinions or views? Did it change anyone’s views or opinions?

Why would they?

I'm not sure what the point is above. Is it that the immense talent of the Norwood boys program was undermined by poor coaching?

Point is people are coach bashing throughout this thread so thought there may be some relief with a unexpected result last night.

Only thing last night proved is Sturt 18 Boys have jumped off Rasmussens back and onto Brennans.
Absolute overhyped middle of the road...living off the reputation Sturt teams before them earned.

Maybe but Sturt boys seemed to have stepped up in last part of year and Norwood are sliding

Stepped up?
They've got a great Coach and half of them are in SA High Performance. Zero excuses for this group, they continue to fail.

Norwood 18 Boys have a great team, problem is they are coached by a clown Milat. If Williams from Sturt coached that Norwood 18s team they would've reached their potential, they’ve got some outstanding players.

I thought Webber coached Norwood U18's. That’s what is listed for Norwood

They must've sacked Milat.
What an absolute sideshow he was...wow
Nut job

Also what about looking across all age groups. Sturt in rise Norwood sliding

Sturt...Norwood...yeah whatever
When North hit top gear, and it's just about to happen, no club will come close to them.

That's hilarious North. Keep believing your own hype

So who is better Sturt or Norwood boys?

Given GF for U10's yet to play the analysis of teams playing in Boys Div 1 or 2 from U10's to U23's (Total of 12 GF's played.

North 8 GF's
Sturt 5 GF's
Centrals 3 GF's
Norwood 3 GF's
South 2 GF's
Tigers 2 GF's
West 1 GF

Under this measure Sturt is ranked 2 and Norwood equal 3rd.
If you exclude U23's as it is a somewhat compromised competition North GF appearances reduce to 6 from 10 and Norwood's reduce to 1 from 10. Sturt stays ranked 2nd but Norwood in the true junior age groups reduces to equal 6th. Fairly obvious to me Sturt > Norwood

Keep in mind the volume some clubs have to choose from. Some do an excellent job in their domestic leagues and generate numbers to district. This shows up especially in the younger age groups, 10s, 12s and 14s. Most of the time they have kids more physically developed than others, 16s and especially 18s that gap shrinks as kids mature. So true gauge should be how consistent a club is as it progresses through the ages. Tall kid in under 14s might only grow an inch or 2, while another has a growth spurt to help with skills they already might have had, just overlooked because they were small. Then the politics come into it, how many parents say my kid has never played div 2 or 3 in their lives.
So would be a better study to see where current 18s were in previous years. Norwood always dominated 14s, but seem to finish around 3rd in 18s.

How did those clubs get big, have domestic programs. They did the work. You just dismissed a big part of a programs success or failure. As explained above look at Forestville.

Can't use your home venue for a domestic program? Just do the work!

Such a Forestville response. So use to having everything their way.

Wayville isn't the only venue in the area. Run it elsewhere. North did.

Run it where?

Forestville have been complacent with their central and would say, better socio economic environment that they haven't bothered with doing a proper mini ball program. Results are obviously showing now. What's the solution going to be? Rashads money making venture doesn't seem to be bringing kids into the club, just his pockets.
Surely there is time and place in such a central location to run something. Is Wayville booked all the time for trainings?

Run it on a Sunday like they did before with Sturt. There are venues and solutions. Most of the committee at Forestville don't even believe in Domestic basketball being viable or necessary in Adelaide.

That's the real issue.

Falsely believe investing over the top in their NBL1 programs at the expense of their junior development and growth of a domestic competition

"There are venues and solutions."

Where?

I dont work for Forestville sorry. I'm not going to give you all the answers. Maybe spend some time and effort working that out for yourself. I promise you the solutions are out there if you really are willing to make it happen.

Agree 100% with above. Just sitting back and waiting for things being given to you won't cut it. South with virtually no access to Marion was able to come up with a good solution and is one of largest clubs out there. North started a domestic comp with no access to Hillcrest. Most clubs have been creative in coming up with solutions. Are they perfect solutions - no, but they are making it work. Demand the club spends in the right area and things will improve!

Problem for Forestville is both South and North had someone to lead the push. Also had Committees fully supportive of the change in direction. Forestville have neither.

Warning to all non Forestville Clubs - given Forestville's inability to win anything at Div 1 level even in the girls side lock away all your girls in case Foredtville’s approach to development brings them to Wayville

If it is not Norths then whose is it

Norwoods Domestic comp dominates the North Eastern Suburbs. Plenty of North players in it. What does that say about Norths comp. Not much fun playing the same team every couple of weeks.

Depends on the purpose of the comp. Each domestic comp run by Clubs is different.

Is it true Adam Todd got booted so Jantke could take the 16s? If so, that is ridiculous!

Agreed, if Adam Todd was removed by someone at North for Andrew Jantke, then something is seriously wrong with this new, Sturt based culture.
Shame on you Rockets.

Ryan Vivian announced as North 14 boys coach. Haha, a lot of the state coaches jumping on the bandwagon.

Where will it end?
Next the Rockets will be trying to get Alex Wright.
Actually....nah, they won't.

Championship winning, Rocket coaches being replaced?
Jobs for mates happening at Lightsview?

Jobs for Mates or assembling the strongest coaching lineup this state has ever seen?
Time will tell.

Hope Jantke isn't considered in that line up.
We've all seen what he did with the "unbeatable" team.
Time has told and Adam Todd's disgraceful sacking and losing him to Centrals is an unacceptable situation after so much success.
Something reeks.

Karma is a bitch

Vivian shopped himself around and found a taker. Good on him.

So what's the story. Can't have sacked a 3 time title coach, even for that numpty, self centred Jantke. Was he told to take 14s and said no. North really doing odd things considering they've been doing well, or is it jobs for mates? Ryan give Deano a call and he helped a brother out.
And how does Centrals fit in, friend of Ricky, but they've already named coaches.

Seems the two coaches that got the shaft were Lyn and Adam

Hearing Toby Lockwood, who has a bag full of trophies, is moving to North too.

If it is winter season championships which is the measure, and it is laughable you put so much weight into that, I am pretty sure the North lineup has every other lineup in the state covered a few times over.

Coaches get moved around all the time, I doubt any club would let these coaches go and I am certain that is not the case here.
It is about the kids though. The boys at North will continue to do great, develop a love for the game and be rewarded with significant opportunities to succeed in this great sport like no other. End of the day that is what really matters, not this rubbish.

We at North put "weight" into our culture of being a family and being loyal to our people. Both coaches and our juniors.
We at North don't want to see our club turned into a recruiting / poaching club like Sturt.
Developing our own is where we take great pride, not trying to poach the best talent from every club to coach stacked teams and still lose.
You're comment is rubbish and you clearly have little to no understanding of what makes our club culture what it is.

#732 except the 40+ families that moved to North from Woodville giving the club the depth in the boys that has bolstered the current success it's having. Except them you don't want to be a club that recruits and poaches from other clubs...

732, I laughed so hard I spilled my coffee. Are you being serious when you say North has not been poaching over the past 5 years. You guys wrote the book on it.

732, how many of Jantke's U18 group that just finished second actually started at North? Hardly any is the answer.

Sturt wrote the book on it. North perfected it.

Mesecke perfected it. North have nothing on him.

When did he ever have 3 boys at the COE at one time? The only one Sturt have now they poached.

I've never understood why a person leaves a club unless they are not happy with the service provided

Simply put happy people don't leave

So is Adam going to Central's or not.
The whole poaching thing is ridiculous, look at college basketball where you can transfer immediately. A small to mid major can develop kids that weren't recruited highly to begin with, can suddenly go to high major without reimbursement.

Adam Todd could not have been happier until he was told by Flynn that he had to step down to div 2 for Jantke so he could learn from him.

For the kids there is moving cause you are unhappy occasionally this is valid reason. Mostly their problems seem to follow them.

Then there are people that systematically contact naive kids and parents that are ok in their current situation, but not getting given every single thing they want. It often involves telling them how great they are, giving them validation.

Ultimately, they become unhappy in their club but strangely a year or two later when they have moved they are still unhappy. These kids and parents often believe it is external factors that lead to their success rather than internal. They blame coaches, clubs and team mates when they are not receiving the validation and success they think they should be given. They end up nowhere fast.

Because kids and in most cases parents are bombarded by coaches, parents and BSA HP that they have to move to progress their child's basketball future. Make State. Get to college etc. Generally backfires as they become one of many and never excel again but the con works more often than not. Happy is irrelevant when you feel staying will harm your child's future.

Really can't believe rockets management has given so much power to Flynn. Ultimate sleight of hand, hasn't really done nothing but win with talented kids. They were talented before he got them.
Then if it's true about Adam, to screw such a loyal servant of the club is deplorable!
North had an upswing in juniors back in the 2000s and notorious Bennett days. Soon went belly up and taken a long time to recover.

I guess North must be doing something right based on results and those coming out of the woodwork to want to cut the tall poppy down to size

With some of those comments it is becoming clearer who is posting them

No-ones cutting down tall poppies champ, just pointing out the take over at North and the unacceptable treatment by those doing the takeover of loyal, long time Rocket people.
Try staying on point rather than attempting to deflect.

"I guess North must be doing something right based on results"

You mean like Adam Todd's results? Yeah ok, so sacking him is the right thing based on results is it?

759, in answer to your question.....
Mudronja, Mayen and Rasmussen played at Sturt developed their games the most whilst at Sturt and have gone to the CoE in the past 5 yrs. Mudronja currently in the NBL, Mayen in the Big 10, Rasmussen heading to D1 College in few months.

Elysa Brett went there too on the girls side.

If North U18s get 3 there from their current team that is a great result.

What about Forestville sacking Lynne? That has to be even worse?

Yep. Lynne's treatment appears poor

Considering she has had to settle for an assistant role at Sturt, probably tells you that other clubs think she's past it as well.

Who is JDO for Forestville. Their results are abysmal

Going over old ground yet again....

On the boys side, yes, abysmal but that has been going on for years.

The girls side lost some GFs this time around but won them at state champs 2 months ago.

You win some, you lose some.

Adam Todd has also had to settle for assisting so perhaps the same could be applied to him (though I don't believe that to be the case for either, you can’t apply it to one but not the other)

You absolutely can if you take into account the differing reasons why they weren't re-appointed: Adam because Janx and Flynn get their way and he was a casualty, Lynne because she's just past it. Both situations should've been handled better though, that's for sure.

Please explain how Lyn is past it even on recent results

Popovich past it at 71? Biden past it at 77? The queen past it at 90+? There is no way Lynne is past it

Some people speculate too much about club decisions without having any idea

I wasn't suggesting she's past it because of her age. There's a lot of truth posted earlier in the thread. Some of us aren't speculating.

Actually most would say all 3 examples are very much past it. No one but those that made the decision (and maybe Lynne) know why she wasn't offered the same role next year. I'd suggest every single person on here is speculating, from both sides.

Lynne seems a couple of years in the making. Havnt spoken too much to her recently so don't know what politics have been going on lately. Woodville screwed her over years ago and look what's happened there on the girls side.
Adam is just such a shock. And I challenge anyone to have a bad word said about him! Knowing him off the court (not closely by any means but still enough) he's a great guy and never heard him say anything negative or political. Seeing him coach, he just does it the right way. Doesn't jump up and down on bad calls, always respectful to refs and opponents. Doesn't deliberately run up scores, in fact seen him tell some of his parents to pull their heads in. What they have done to him is beyond words, he'll get his own team again next year and success will follow him.
Jantke moving over to follow success is one thing. But Flynn to just show up as a coaching guru and this to happen just shows his ego and arrogance. Now all teams must follow his style of play, total bullshit.

The treatment of Adam is quite odd but must have reasons.
Centrals did the same with Toby, wasn't valued so moved to another club.
Happens at all clubs at some point!