Woodvilles and north out as well. Haven't seen Southern, Eastern or central's.
As to OP, talk about lazy. You want other people to copy and paste from clubs pages themselves, why don't you spend a couple of minutes yourself and do it. Does your mum still tie up your shoelaces in the morning?
U10 - Liam Flynn
U12 - Glenn Shaw
U14 - Carla Saponari
U16 - Lyndsee Frost
U18 - Leanne Zacharko
U23 - Courtney Johnston
U10 - Kevin Rock
U12 - Dallas Quigley
U14 - Joel Juncken
U16 - Andrew Jantke
U18 - Liam Flynn
U23 - Cain Ness
U12 - Teagan Stanley
U14 - Michelle Hebart
U16 - Toby Schaftenarr
U18 - Derrick Washington Jr
U12 - Tom MacDonald
U14 - Shaun Ryan
U16 - Tim Odell
U18 - Chris Webber
U23 - Will Smith
U10 - Dee Ranford
U12 - Jodie Bell
U14 - Darryl Crump
U16 - Damian Weeks
U18 - Tom Hilbig
U23 - Brian Penna
U10 - Trudy Sheffield
U12 - Stephen Shinnick
U14 - Paul Harris
U16 - Dan Stratford
U18 - Brad Haydon
U23 - Kyle Vucetic
U10 - Jacob Holmes
U12 - Erin Blake & Phil Blake
U14 - Daniel Haebich
U16 - Jo Clark
U18 - Kat McPhail
U10 - Carlee Mitchell
U12 - Jason Williams
U14 - Ben Gliddon
U16 - Alex Wright
U18 - Martin Karklins
U10 - Leanne Giltrow
U12 - Harrison Petkovich
U14 - David Frick
U16 - Kat Ciabattoni & Boti Nagy
U18 - Shane Croxton & Andy Saakas
U10 - Terry Jones
U12 - Josh Kelly
U14 - Jason Balfour
U16 - Nick Wooden
U18 - Chas McCormick
U12 - Amy Porter
U14 - Karen Winter
U16 - Morgan Treloar
U18 - Sarah Turnbull
U12 - Dion Grieger
U14 - Brendan Mann and Blake Soares
U16 - Anthony Azzopardi
U18 - Jimmy Alexander
U10 - Ella Berry
U12 - Steve Walker
U14 - Daniel Jaunutis
U18 - Ryan Morris
U10 - Aydin Fisk
U12 - Brad Squire
U14 - Chris Clark
U16 - Tim Berry
Nobody is stopping you. It's just that this thread is specifically about division 1 appointments.
That is nonetheless a fair comment. However, I'm only aware of Sturt and North's division 2+ coaches being announced. Often there are moving parts TBD, particularly when most clubs haven't trialed and there are parent-coaches involved.
Once upon a time the Division 1 coach had a level of oversight for the age group so I would say even for lower divisions, the Div 1 coach is important for understanding style. Also in general (besides parents who coach) these are the best the club has to offer, giving people a look at what to expect across all divisions.
Lastly its a bit like high taxing the rich, negative gearing and franking credits while people don't benefit from them now, they also hope to in the future. While parents may know their child isn't in Div 1 now, they are hoping they'll get there soon enough.
What happened to the super-Forestville coaches lineup? The NBL1 coaches from last year were going to turn it around. All got too hard? Easier just to spend the money to recruit players to the men's team than develop the program? Serious question, just wondering where these guys have all gone.
There's been a gradual decline of coaching talent over a few years at Forestville. There's been a massive decline over a few years at Forestville with playing talent. That's what happens when you don't invest in your Junior Program, assuming players will keep showing up, while Clubs west, north and south of you have made changes and newer better venues have been built.
Andy spat the dummy when BSA said that he couldn't have DJ play despite asserting he was born February 29, so technically he only had a birthday every 4 years, hence making him 8 and in under 10s. BSA believing this uncharacteristically showed some backbone and said DJ was too young to play under 16s, Andy's team. The matter is now before the courts.
Starting to recover? Ignoring results obviously. The boys program is getting worse not better.
The club is stuck in the 70s. Wayville isn't the drawcard it once was. The big name ex-player parents have all mostly moved on too.
Keep telling yourself things are getting better, the other clubs will enjoy the Eagles slipping back to the easy beats they were pre-Wayville.
Forestville boys is like the Woodville pre-2021, or the Centrals pre-2010. The club are really messed up in their junior boys. Problem for Forestville right now is they are a closed shop, recycling the old ways and people and those that just blindly follow them. Hard decisions need to be made, they need an influx of innovative, modern basketball people with proven success to get them back up and on track.
To be fair, current results are a lagging indicator of previous management.
To 564's point: during that time Forestville have been completely non-competitive in the younger age groups, and have paid the price with the average standard falling well behind, and their best players leaving for other clubs. The current u10s are losing by about 30ppg... which is shockingly an improvement on previous years!
There have been some decent coaches in Forestville's boys program over the years, but primarily in older age groups. Their u16 and 18s have performed consistently, and reasonably well before this season, but history shows if you make a mess of u10/12s then it's virtually impossible to recover.
Time will tell if current management have learned from past mistakes.
Seems after selecting Dickel for the wrong reasons they decided the Club didn't need a JCD at all. Haven't had one since then. The results reflect the lack of investment.
No idea who runs their Juniors currently, the Basketball Operations page of their website is completely blank. Couldn't find an actual name or specific contact anywhere.
Looking at results
U10 1 Last 0-14
U10 2 No team
U12 1 Last 0-15
U12 2 Last 0-15
U14 1 Last 0-15
U14 2 8th 2-12
U16 1 Last 1-14
U16 2 8th 3-12
U18 1 9th 2-13
U18 2 8th 5-10
Has any established club had results like this on their boys side. Even when Woodville and Centrals (as used as examples above) were struggling they had at least some competitive groups and usually at least 1 top 4 side.
With all the benefits of a good venue, good central location, no debt, regular fundraising events, high BSA foot traffic things a few other clubs can only dream about they are clearly the worst boys club in Adelaide.
Those clubs that are strong in younger age boys (u10 - u12) are there in large part due to successful domestic programs South, Norwood, Sturt, North. Do you really think summer season u10 would have anything to do with the caliber of coaching at that level. They are picking there best teams from 130 kids rather than 30. Country teams such as southern, eastern and centrals then become stronger in u14 up as they pick up the more dedicated state country level players.
This is coupled with the fact that clearances between clubs go up each year and very rarely is it someone moving from a strong team to a weak one, it is largely the best kids in a weaker team moving to a stronger team. So a club that starts behind the eight ball, looses there best couple of kids and although progress year on year will never be able to compete. Conversely a stronger club will pick up there best kids, casing point have a look at Sturt's u18 boys div 1, I would guess at least 5 players had played at another club and moved to win.
Alot has been made about Forestville's Coaching Directors being a determinate to there boys but why are there girls so strong and why would they not get credit for that. Its because no club yet has a strong girls domestic program, Forestville has been winning so picks up the best girls the exact opposite as to what is happening on the boys side.
Wow, knew Forestville boys weren't traveling great but seein those records on paper is startling, especially for a "powerhouse" club.
Surely this is a huge worry to their committee unless they are just worried about senior results. I mean Norwood are a mess politically, but they get results in lower age groups just based on picking kids from a larger base, then they get older and other teams bypass them from their peaks in 14s.
#608 what you wrote was mostly nonsense but in regards to Forestville's girls program its important to remember the standard from which they're coming down from.
Forestville were the best girls program in Adelaide, with depth, the best coaches and the best elite kids. They are sliding just that they had a significant head start. And a reputation as the best which brings kids in, with no effort.
Their U18 1s are top but no other 1s are. 16s and 14s are still holding on, U12s out of the mix in a grade they won numerous recent titles, were always 1 or 2 and had double div 2s in.
U10s last, again a grade they were top 1-2 for the last 8 odd years.
The girls program is dropping off as well. Just they were so ahead of the pack its a slower decline.
If its just Domestic, why are Sturt dropping off despite having the longest running Domestic comp?
I've been involved in the Forestville program for a number of years across both the girls and boys. There are a lot of issues going on.
Firstly, it is poorly led. The Chairman is a bit clueless and is more interested in being 'important' than actually achieving anything.
The rest of the board (most of them) have vested interests. Not surprisingly, most have an interest in the girls program and have done for many years.
The boys program has been raised as a concern at board level several times over the years. On each occasion it has been brushed off as 'part of a cycle', or 'it's not that bad' etc...Basically the club decided to do very little.
The club suffered greatly from the Dickel disaster. Haydon did a pretty good job, but was trying to do two roles at once. Croxton tried to do the same, but was awful.
The club now has Sharon Simmons effectively running the basketball side. Does she have a vested interest in the girls program? Yep.
Sharon basically does the majority of the basketball development along with Greg Mays and Sam Simmons.
Andy should have a vested interest in the boys program and in developing players to come through and play in the Premier League. He doesn't. He knows he will fill the team through recruiting and let whoever comes through the boys program fill out the bench spots.
They tried to bring Andy in to the U16 boys program to help, but obviously it didn't work! You can't coach a team up to the top if you just don't have the talent. Half that team wouldn't play Div 1 at almost any other club.
Bottom line is, the club is run by two families at the moment - the Simmons family and the Dix family. Both families have girls and no boys.
The results, as posted above are a disaster.
U10 1 Last 0-14
U10 2 No team
U12 1 Last 0-15
U12 2 Last 0-15
U14 1 Last 0-15
U14 2 8th 2-12
U16 1 Last 1-14
U16 2 8th 3-12
U18 1 9th 2-13
U18 2 8th 5-10
The girls program has been outstanding, but won't be like this much longer. If Forestville aren't careful, the girls program will look like the boys.
I believe that Forestville are pinning their hopes on an expansion to Wayville and an influx on numbers.
Bottom line is that the board have sat back and let these disasters happen. They boys program has been a concern for a long time, but they just did nothing.
A little off topic but do Clubs or families even know what the 2021 Basketball Year will look like?
When is Round 1 of Summer, I've heard Promotion/Relegation is in, I've heard its kind of in, I've heard its not.
I've heard Under 20s are back but no Club ran Under 20 trials that I'm aware of or announced coaches. Is State Championships back in May? Or being run like it used to be.
I can't see a Calendar on the BSA Website. Hard to make decisions about the year ahead, the cost of fees and the commitment as a family when there's so little information out.
I did ask my club, they said they were still waiting on BSA to confirm.
Pro/rel was originally planned to be rolled in summer out across the board as a grading season, but has settled on div 3 and lower. Division 1-2 is unchanged, AFAIK.
U20s was also on the cards, but with Covid I assume BSA/clubs opted for minimal changes for simplicity sake.
Haven't heard about state champs. IIRC the original plan was to use the grading season for Classic qualification, but this could have changed too.
Nothing BSA does really relevant to player development at the end of the day. They can do competitions restructure, they can do stuff in the HP space. None of it has any impact whatsoever on high level player development.
If anything all the BSA rubbish is a slight distraction and waste of money from the things that do matter.
BSA has made itself irrelevant over the past decade in this space. Blow it up, keep it, change it. None of it matters anymore.
Todd was reason norths boys became very good, respected and held all his players accountable. Jantke comes in, plays favourites and pisses off team. Now the great Flynn will try his hand at 18s.
Todd is a great loss, a lot more than these gurus that have come in to take advantage of his hard work.
As for Holland, how can you not be asked back unless she applied and they said no which seems very strange. Wonder if Forestville girls program will go way of Woodville girls program when she got shafted there.
That's disgraceful if Jantke, who clearly failed with the unbeatable 18 squad, who Toddy developed and never lost with, has been given the 16's.
Adam Todd is a proven winner and developer and most importantly, a lifetime Rocket.
Who ever allowed that should be hung for treason.
All the years of not turning up to training, leaving early have finally caught up with Holland.
Had the best talent for the past 10 years, girls could coach themselves and still win every week. Forestville have finally woken up to it.
If true, not surprising Pritchard has won the power struggle even after 1 year in their program. Quality coach.
Surely BSA move her on next and follow John Turnbull out the door?
Just observing from Fri nights there is a "coach" who claims to be the coach of his team who doesn't seem to know anything about coaching and stands there doing nothing other than thinking he is important. A parent told me he does nothing at training either but still wants to claim the title of coach while his two offsiders are the ones who coach so strange.
Centrals finally released their lineups, no Toby. Any news on that, cant have gone elsewhere with everyone announcing their lineups. Good old Centrals, last yet again. And Ricky to coach 16 girls, can he bring their average losing margins under 60?
The word is....
9 round summer season + 1 week of finals (grading for div 3 and lower) kicking off mid February ending early May
18 round winter season + finals kicking off mid May ending mid November
State champs to be held in May as well over 2 weekends.
U12 / U14 then U16 / U18 the following weekend or however they decide to split the age groups.
Still up in the air regarding div 1 being fully timed over summer season. Heard conflicting reports.
Southern have lost heaps of coaches over the last year
Boys side- Ryan Vivian, Pete Berry, Jimmy A, Dean
Southern boys side is left with a bunch of guys who don't really have Div1 or State coaching experience
Are/have any of their 1s coaches on the boys side involved with the state program?
What ever it is, I think you could agree that having 4 div 1 coaches leave on the one side of your program over such a short period, shows there is something wrong.
Look at Berry, if they win the GF, he would have won state champs and GF in the one season and still wants to leave!
Something must be happening.
No signs of growth down there right now.
Also fat shaming in 2020 is a good way to lose an arguement before you start. There's no way you'd say that aboue a female or to someone's face.
Fact is Southern have made some big mistakes in their recovery from debt. Will be interesting to see if the implosion costs them members again like every other time they've turn on their own.
Coaches like Berry & Stratford going to help junior Boys programs like Woodville & Forestville should be applauded, taking on the big challenges. That's the mark of a real Coach. Anyone can go to Norwood North Sturt etc and do well...no prestige in that.
Helping turn around a struggling program has far more merit.
Now that all Clubs have announced Div 1 coaches, and some also Division 2 coaches all who have put their hand up to volunteer their time for the growth of kids should be applauded. There will no doubt be continued debate about the quality, experience etc of those named but we should remember they are all people with work and family commitments giving their time to support the game and the kids that play.
Those who continue to give their time to coach, referee, supervise etc are not to blame for the mistakes of managements which have cost the sport so many talented and skilled people. They are the ones still putting their hands up and we should direct our frustration appropriately.
I am not from SA, so don't know the scene there, but while is there some much anger and dislike at clubs and coaches? Maybe thats why you can ever win anything.
Assume that if your giving an opinion have been a DOC, or state coach or coached at Div 1 level or been involved at solving the problems....
I'll have a shot at rating them in terms of improvement and quality
Sturt - Have the best line up of boys and girls coaches
Norwood - Still solid. Not sure if all the talk of politics has effected them considering they won state champs (Not that it was recorded)
Woodville - Scott has done a great job turning the program around. It will take some more time but they have some strong coaches on both the boys and girls side. Just need to get more players.
North - Liam makes a big difference. Looks like a focus on trying to get the girls program going as well.
West - Some quality throughout girls and boys. This club is going in a good direction
Forestville - No Lyn Holland in the girls is a big loss for them. They still have some high quality girls coaches. The boys coaches have a lot of experience.
Tigers - Some high quality coaches in the girls. Boys program look like they are trying some fresh blood. It could pay off for them. Club is still dealing with Dean leaving but did bounce back decently I thought
Centrals - About the same as last year
South - Going backwards. Boti could be a good addition
Eastern - Not sure who their coaches are
South going backwards? Really look at their results in the lower grades from 14s down? Interested to see why you think that? Southern are a mess and Woodville have acheived what in the last couple of years. Girls are terrible and boys are not much better
"Sturt the most over rated line up for sure."
Possibly but they are strong on paper
"South going backwards?"
My list was a rating about the selection of Div 1 coaches for all teams as is the topic of the thread. Not about the talent of players at clubs. South has talented players. Woodville has recruited some quality coaches. I am not sure what the mess at Southern is like but some strong coaches on the female side.
I'm interested to hear how others would rate overall all the clubs div 1 coaches as I have.
How do you measure it?
Years of experience
Levels coached at and years of experience at the level
Demonstrable player development
Overall athlete/parent satisfaction
Knowledge and IQ - demonstrated by personal development opportunities
Respect and valued networks to enhance opportunities for the athletes
Value adds - things like committee experience, developing pathways for the athletes, player workouts, video breakdown.
See Flynn has taken no time at north into introducing his style of play plan. Scammed so many clubs a few years back into producing one for them, all now been thrown away. Understable in speaking and working with inexperienced coaches, and understand the concept of continuity of kids advancing as they move age groups. But this just limits coaches in their own philosophy. What if you don't want to play packline, amongst other concepts he pushed on clubs. Terminology, kids aren't that stupid, they can pickup what the coach means when they say wing, 45, foul line extended, etc.
Coaches should be encouraged to find out what works for them as well, instead of this dictatorial style. Adam Todd really built that boys program in the 16s, if he was still there do you tell him to change what's been working. Can really see the north boys relapsing, already happened in 18s where they were the dream team, only an idiot could have stuffed up.
A good JDO/coaching director works with their coaches, not telling the top coaches how they'll coach their team. Their main job should be with the new coaches and players, hoping to find a diamond in the rough.
Just an ego trip for some people.
Adam Todd's had the most talented team in the comp (before he put in work with them) for the past several years. What exactly did he build? All that's happened is the rest of the comp catching up. 4 potential state players this year and couldn't even make the state champs GF, let alone win it like expected.
So who is better Sturt or Norwood boys?
Given GF for U10's yet to play the analysis of teams playing in Boys Div 1 or 2 from U10's to U23's (Total of 12 GF's played.
North 8 GF's
Sturt 5 GF's
Centrals 3 GF's
Norwood 3 GF's
South 2 GF's
Tigers 2 GF's
West 1 GF
Under this measure Sturt is ranked 2 and Norwood equal 3rd.
If you exclude U23's as it is a somewhat compromised competition North GF appearances reduce to 6 from 10 and Norwood's reduce to 1 from 10. Sturt stays ranked 2nd but Norwood in the true junior age groups reduces to equal 6th. Fairly obvious to me Sturt > Norwood
Keep in mind the volume some clubs have to choose from. Some do an excellent job in their domestic leagues and generate numbers to district. This shows up especially in the younger age groups, 10s, 12s and 14s. Most of the time they have kids more physically developed than others, 16s and especially 18s that gap shrinks as kids mature. So true gauge should be how consistent a club is as it progresses through the ages. Tall kid in under 14s might only grow an inch or 2, while another has a growth spurt to help with skills they already might have had, just overlooked because they were small. Then the politics come into it, how many parents say my kid has never played div 2 or 3 in their lives.
So would be a better study to see where current 18s were in previous years. Norwood always dominated 14s, but seem to finish around 3rd in 18s.
Forestville have been complacent with their central and would say, better socio economic environment that they haven't bothered with doing a proper mini ball program. Results are obviously showing now. What's the solution going to be? Rashads money making venture doesn't seem to be bringing kids into the club, just his pockets.
Surely there is time and place in such a central location to run something. Is Wayville booked all the time for trainings?
Agree 100% with above. Just sitting back and waiting for things being given to you won't cut it. South with virtually no access to Marion was able to come up with a good solution and is one of largest clubs out there. North started a domestic comp with no access to Hillcrest. Most clubs have been creative in coming up with solutions. Are they perfect solutions - no, but they are making it work. Demand the club spends in the right area and things will improve!
So what's the story. Can't have sacked a 3 time title coach, even for that numpty, self centred Jantke. Was he told to take 14s and said no. North really doing odd things considering they've been doing well, or is it jobs for mates? Ryan give Deano a call and he helped a brother out.
And how does Centrals fit in, friend of Ricky, but they've already named coaches.
Hearing Toby Lockwood, who has a bag full of trophies, is moving to North too.
If it is winter season championships which is the measure, and it is laughable you put so much weight into that, I am pretty sure the North lineup has every other lineup in the state covered a few times over.
Coaches get moved around all the time, I doubt any club would let these coaches go and I am certain that is not the case here.
It is about the kids though. The boys at North will continue to do great, develop a love for the game and be rewarded with significant opportunities to succeed in this great sport like no other. End of the day that is what really matters, not this rubbish.
We at North put "weight" into our culture of being a family and being loyal to our people. Both coaches and our juniors.
We at North don't want to see our club turned into a recruiting / poaching club like Sturt.
Developing our own is where we take great pride, not trying to poach the best talent from every club to coach stacked teams and still lose.
You're comment is rubbish and you clearly have little to no understanding of what makes our club culture what it is.
The vivien move is a reflection more on southern than North.
Vivien is all about the program he is apart of. Norwood been average since he left (not that he was a key part) and Southern will soon do the same! He moves as clubs fall apart!
Moves when he can't fix the things he can’t control.
So is Adam going to Central's or not.
The whole poaching thing is ridiculous, look at college basketball where you can transfer immediately. A small to mid major can develop kids that weren't recruited highly to begin with, can suddenly go to high major without reimbursement.
For the kids there is moving cause you are unhappy occasionally this is valid reason. Mostly their problems seem to follow them.
Then there are people that systematically contact naive kids and parents that are ok in their current situation, but not getting given every single thing they want. It often involves telling them how great they are, giving them validation.
Ultimately, they become unhappy in their club but strangely a year or two later when they have moved they are still unhappy. These kids and parents often believe it is external factors that lead to their success rather than internal. They blame coaches, clubs and team mates when they are not receiving the validation and success they think they should be given. They end up nowhere fast.
Because kids and in most cases parents are bombarded by coaches, parents and BSA HP that they have to move to progress their child's basketball future. Make State. Get to college etc. Generally backfires as they become one of many and never excel again but the con works more often than not. Happy is irrelevant when you feel staying will harm your child's future.
Really can't believe rockets management has given so much power to Flynn. Ultimate sleight of hand, hasn't really done nothing but win with talented kids. They were talented before he got them.
Then if it's true about Adam, to screw such a loyal servant of the club is deplorable!
North had an upswing in juniors back in the 2000s and notorious Bennett days. Soon went belly up and taken a long time to recover.
759, in answer to your question.....
Mudronja, Mayen and Rasmussen played at Sturt developed their games the most whilst at Sturt and have gone to the CoE in the past 5 yrs. Mudronja currently in the NBL, Mayen in the Big 10, Rasmussen heading to D1 College in few months.
Elysa Brett went there too on the girls side.
If North U18s get 3 there from their current team that is a great result.
You absolutely can if you take into account the differing reasons why they weren't re-appointed: Adam because Janx and Flynn get their way and he was a casualty, Lynne because she's just past it. Both situations should've been handled better though, that's for sure.
#796 & #798. I know that a few years back Lynne was asked to coach at a lower age group to help with development, which she didn't want to do. I also know that she didn't get along with the previous PL coach, Monica, as she would rather the players prioritise U18 over PL. Someone else has also mentioned already that was the case the the current PL coach too. I can see how her treatment could look but I'm sure there is several contributing factors at play.
Lynne seems a couple of years in the making. Havnt spoken too much to her recently so don't know what politics have been going on lately. Woodville screwed her over years ago and look what's happened there on the girls side.
Adam is just such a shock. And I challenge anyone to have a bad word said about him! Knowing him off the court (not closely by any means but still enough) he's a great guy and never heard him say anything negative or political. Seeing him coach, he just does it the right way. Doesn't jump up and down on bad calls, always respectful to refs and opponents. Doesn't deliberately run up scores, in fact seen him tell some of his parents to pull their heads in. What they have done to him is beyond words, he'll get his own team again next year and success will follow him.
Jantke moving over to follow success is one thing. But Flynn to just show up as a coaching guru and this to happen just shows his ego and arrogance. Now all teams must follow his style of play, total bullshit.
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