Mervan
Last year

Bryce Cotton vs Patty Mills

Just watched cottons welcome to Perth video on you tube.

Saw a bit of resemblance between his jumper and pattys.

Made me wonder who is the better player.

Clearly patty has had a better financial career.

Just wonder if Bryce had had better timing he could have achieved what patty has at SA?

Does patty do anything significantly better than Bryce? I realise athleticism is in bryce's favour.

Just a late night hypothetical.

Sorry if this has been done before

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D2.0  
Last year

Whilst Cotton can run the point, and is a decent defender, he benefits by playing at the 2 spot, backed by a Good PG.

Neither is big enough to excel as a SG in the NBA, but the difference is that Patty doesn't need to, being Good enough to play Point.

I really Hope Cotton makes the Boomers because I would love to see how he fares at International level.
Keep in mind that whilst he's obviously had Interest from Europe, it presumably wasn't at the level to rip him away from Perth

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Mervan  
Last year

Good point d2

So you would have mills over cotton running the point on the national team?

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Anonymous  
Last year

Running Shot and Dunk : Cotton > Mills

Jump Shot : Mills > Cotton

Average Offense : Mills > Cotton

Average Defence : Mills >= Cotton

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Anonymous  
Last year

Right place and right time. Very similar players, I think Spurs tend to like international players with their philosophy on playing, not saying that Cotton couldn't have worked the same role as Mills.
Look at Dellavadova (cue stupid comments about him being goat), made roster at Cavs with his hard, don't give a f#@k who you are when he battled Kyrie at practice. May have made a few other squads for short periods, but don't think he would have lasted, let alone get a lucrative contract.

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Luuuc  
Last year

I agree. Pretty similar.
Patty the slight advantage due to a few extra centimetres & kg.

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Anonymous  
Last year

One is Australian the other Isn't.

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Anonymous  
Last year

Is this even a serious question? Mills has had a 10+ Year Career in NBA as a decent rotational player. C'Mon...

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Anonymous  
Last year

Mills is better at basketball. That's the main one.

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Anonymous  
Last year

Mills no question.

NBA champion who has had a 10+ year career in the NBA.

Has torched teams in the Boomers. E.g led ALL players in scoring at the London Olympics.

Single handedly ruined Lebron's chance to 3 peat with the Heat.

Led the Boomers over team USA.

Has some of the best NBA stat lines Australia has produced.

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Truth Seeker  
Last year

Mills has the consistent NBA shot.

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proud  
Last year

I think the main thing that Mills has is the confidence, respect and loyalty of Pop and the Spurs, there are so many very talented basketball players that would all but kill for that treatment, yes Mills doesn't star like he does for the Boomers when in the NBA but the Team USA games over here, we really seen how much Pop thought of Patty.

I think Bryce is a bloody good player and fun to watch and an undoubted NBL asset (well advertisers dream) and I think he'd also have a decent NBA career if a coach vowed for him the way Pop does for Patty.

I don't feel the same about Casper Ware, Jerome Randle, Cedric Jackson or any other NBL MVP level point guard... ok maybe Machado but I'm impartial for pass first point guards... that don't air all free throws.

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Anonymous  
Last year

Both going to olympics.. who cares, mills will start and cotton will back him up.

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Anonymous  
Last year

Mills is better, he's performed well on the biggest stages, but Cotton is a hell of a player who could have potentially carved out a good NBA career in the right situation.

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ME  
Last year

I am surprised this is a question. There are similarities, but really, Cotton is a poor man's Mills. Would love to have him off the bench for the Boomers though. But here are just some of the ways that Mills is a better player:

Speed - Mills is faster, despite being older
Strength - Mills is physically stronger and bigger, which matters inside
Shooting - Mills is a more consistent shooter
Defense - Mills is a better and more dogged defender

Luck isn't the only reason Mills is in the NBA over Cotton.

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Anonymous  
Last year

I don't agree Mills is a better shooter than Cotton. I'd rate them pretty level in that category.

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Anonymous  
Last year

Mills over Cotton no doubt but would still want Cotton in the green and gold as a backup.

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Anonymous  
Last year

Cotton isn't guarding anyone internationally

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Anonymous  
Last year

Mills is a fair bit bigger. Cotton is a stick. Mills was also absolutely lightning when he was younger.

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Jacqui Lambie  
Last year

Anytime Cotton goes into Mills I find a T-Shirt comes out....

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Isaac  
Last year

Made me wonder who is the better player.

Just wonder if Bryce had had better timing he could have achieved what patty has at SA?
Cotton had games with a few NBA teams so they were at least aware of him, saw what he could do, and he didn't stick. He's a light (75kg going by ESPN?!), undersized shooting guard in a league where the dominant shooting guards can be 6'7" or more. He'd need very, very good defensive or shooting skills to last over there.

Mills is still getting 20+ MPG and 10+ PPG 11 seasons in. He's lasted nine seasons under one of the all-time coaches who's unlikely to carry hapless players. Career 39% from 3P, in a league where 42% last season put you top ten, and top ten over a career. He's top 80 all-time NBA for career 3P% ahead of many notable scorers.

So, Mills.

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Anonymous  
Last year

By that logic Isaac, why did blazers release him?

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Isaac  
Last year

The team that drafted Sam Bowie? Who knows. Maybe so you could make that comment.

Cotton went through three teams, and we're making a comparison, so...

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D2.0  
Last year

Yeah, it will be interesting to watch if Cotton does get a Boomers gig.
Like a few guys who have starred in the NBL, he's a perfect fit for our league. Way too small for the NBA, and will be challenged at International level.

Like all the fringe guys hoping for a ticket to Tokyo, its going to depend on who's fit, and available to play from the NBA. Honestly, I lost track, are the going to be available or not?

It will probably be the usual story. If every NBA player is fit and ready to play, he might struggle to get in, but then the won't be.
Shit, imagine if we'd had him in Bejing instead of Scooby & Shaggy.

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Anonymous  
Last year

So the GM that drafted Bowie also released Mills, yeah, that makes sense.
Lots of players get cut and find success in other situations, Jeremy Lin springs to mind.
Billups was terrible in Boston, Toronto and didn't even play in Orlando and considered a big time bust before he found a home in Minnesota and cashed in with Detroit. Went through 3 teams that didn't want him, so if we're making a comparison....

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Anonymous  
Last year

Mills.
The end.

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Isaac  
Last year

What is the argument you're making? That Cotton is a superior player?

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Anonymous  
Last year

He's making the argument that your point, about NBA teams cutting him once upon a time, doesn't add much to the discussion about who is better now.

I think Mills is better, but it is possibly that had Cotton landed in a great situation like the Spurs his career may have turned out differently. I disagree with you that he's an undersized SG in the NBA, he'd be a back-up PG in a similar mold to Mills.

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Zodiac  
Last year

Anon,

Mills shits all over Cotton as a player even right now it's not even close. Cotton is an undersized SG he doesn't have PG skills hence why he's in the NBL.

These kind of stupid threads by Perth fans is why they get given so much shit for being clueless homers Mills is a far, far better player than Cotton he's better than him at everything maybe other than dunking lol

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Anonymous  
Last year

Calm down zodiac. We know you hate Perth and we know Mills is clearly better but even most salty Adelaide fans would have Cotton on their team in a heartbeat.

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Anonymous  
Last year

Zodiac, who are the clueless homer Perth fans in this thread?

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Anonymous  
Last year

Randle was ok.
But other import guards for Adelaide meh.

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Perthworld  
Last year

Mills is clearly better.

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D2.0  
Last year

Yes, weirdly, it does seem that sometimes NBA success is about getting the right opportunity at the right time.
And if you were giving advice to a Cotton type player, you might well suggest to focus on being a PG and become a Star in the G-League. Then maybe he gets couple of 10 day deals, then a 2-way, and who knows. That's the same hard choice a lot of guys make,and realise too late they've made the wrong call.

Instead Cotton has gone with his natural role, and carved out pretty decent career in the NBL. And if he hadn't fallen in love, might well have use that as a stepping stone to Europe.

But even if he had gone more towards PG, Mills would definitely be superior in that role.

And no, I don't see him playing backup PG for the Boomers, unless we're really caught short.
Again, depending on who's available, he might be backup SG, or 3rd string Guard.
In an NBL only team, he'd probably start at SG.

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Anonymous  
Last year

Back to me talking about right time, right place. If Mills hadn't ended up at San Antonio, could he have bounced around as well, few seasons in Europe and then in NBL. Seeing both live, yes I think head to head Mills is better player. But what if Cotton had found a place where he could have been spark off bench like a Barrea type.
It's sliding doors if Mills hadn't made his way to Spurs, did they turn him into player he's become playing to his strengths. As my example with Billups, got given up by 3 franchises, discovered his feet at a fourth and could maybe at an outside chance be in HOF. Lot of people passed on Mills. So you put a petty little Sam Bowie reference in.

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Anonymous  
Last year

The only thing that matters when making historical comparisons about players is actual production. If you need to create a five-layered hypothetical sliding door scenarios to try to establish a point, you have already lost.

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AngusH  
Last year

If San Antonio hadn't happened, Patty's national team play would have given him plenty of opportunities regardless. Cotton is a great player but you can't even compare the two.

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Anonymous  
Last year

Next people will be comparing Ingles to Blanchfield. Dumb comparisons really.
NBA over nbl.

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Isaac  
Last year

My point wasn't so much that Cotton was cut, but that he 'landed' in three spots and none worked out. It wasn't like he had one chance where circumstances worked against him and he was never spotted again.

After Mills' time with Portland, there was an NBA lockout, he played in the NBL, then in China. Going by Wikipedia, he wanted to head back to Portland but had trouble getting released from his Chinese team. Ended up signing with the Spurs.

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Anonymous  
Last year

But whether it worked out or not five+ years ago isn't really a great basis for judging where Cotton sits now. There have been very few players in the NBL who can do offensively what Cotton does through the amount of attention he receives.

The guys who have been able to do that, such as Gaze and Penney, have been as influential as Mills in international basketball. So while Mills certainly wins this debate on the fact he has far more runs on the board, Cotton's recent form indicates he could well be a high-quality Boomers player if given the chance, and perhaps not as far behind Mills as some think.

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Anonymous  
Last year

Would Mills be as good as Cotton at NBL level? Probably not but he'd be very close. Success in sport has so many factors and Mills was in the right place at the right time but how did he get there? Would Cotton be the type of character to sit on the bench for 2 seasons at Patty's age waving towels in a Spurs team that is loyal to guys like this? Not sure of the answer, I don't know Cotton but think about it.

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Cram  
Last year

Billups wasnt cut by 3 teams, he was traded. In Orlando he didnt play because he was on the injured list the entire time he was there. The Wolves then gave him a multi yea deal worth >$2m per.

Mills is the better player. Yes he got a great opportunity, but it wasnt luck. Between his first and second season in SA he got his body right. Pop infamously called him "a little fatty" before he did that. He put in the work and has reaped the rewards since then.

This isn't to say Cotton couldn;'t have done that, just that it isn't about Patty being lucky.

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pls  
Last year

2012
Mills - Melbourne Tigers

9 games played - 6/3 record.

18.4 ppg (42% FG, 35% 3FG)

5 assists/game (2.44 t/o's)

2.3 reb/game

0.77 steals/game

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LoveBroker  
Last year

Don't forget the Flop of the Year award in 2012.

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Perthworld  
Last year

https://youtu.be/wAEXvzrnU34

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Cram  
Last year

Was fun to watch Patty's handful of games that year. He was still working out his game at that point and had his breakout a couple of seasons later. The skill was there, clearly, but he needed more work. I don't doubt for a second that he would have been a perennial MVP candidate if he'd stayed in the NBL

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Anonymous  
Last year

When you look at the ultimate right place right time, Jeremy Lin, it just shows how luck can sometimes play. Undrafted and after some summer camps he was signed by warriors, to partially guaranteed deal and Nike sponsorship because he was Taiwanese.
Ends up with Knicks, they're playing shit, D'Antoni puts him in against Nets and he starts a 7 game win streak and most talked about basketball news story in years. Finishes off season with injury, but everyone expects Knicks to pay him. But Houston jump in with a big offer and Knicks decline. Houston have to play the guy after spending so much but realise he is just a backup and then Harden arrives. Suddenly Lin goes on move like most backup point guards.
What if Patty had come in and just stunk it up his first couple of games. What if Cotton had come on and had a shooting night like we've seen him here. All ifs and buts, but sometimes you just need to be lucky.

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Cram  
Last year

But again, it isn't just luck. Mills worked hard to make the most of his situation.

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Anonymous  
Last year

I would say it's both. Hard work + luck = success.

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Cram  
Last year

Which is why I said "It isnt JUST luck"

As with everything, really.

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AngusH  
Last year

Mills playing NBL was such a novelty at the time, expectations I remember were that he would absolute dominate, in the same way that (at that time) everyone with NBA experience was expected to just be able to walk in and dominate the NBL. I think the pressure showed especially the first couple of games, where Mills looked like he was trying to score every possession. He eased his way into it by the end, and although there is no chance in hell he'd have been a regular NBL player at that point regardless of what happened in the NBA, he'd have been a generational player if he had.

Mills' career is not luck, its hard work. He's a heck of a player. He showed that in college, in international play, and now in the NBA. His body of work speaks for itself, and if things hadn't bounced the way they did in SA he'd have stuck somewhere else.

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Zodiac  
Last year

It's just an attempt to talk down Mills there's not much luck involved in leading the Olympic in scoring in 2012 and putting up 30 points on Team USA in our historic win against them last year.

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anon nbl1  
Last year

Patty Mills is the better player of the two, knows his role can come off the bench can play as a starter and perform in both roles at the NBA level while Bryce hasn't really played in different roles mainly is given full freedom with the ball and is the main guy on the team at the NBL level, real question is can Bryce play a lesser role coming off the bench cause if he can, Australia national team can be decent with Patty starting and Bryce coming off the bench

I'd say Patty is ahead of Cotton due to versatility at a higher level

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Isaac  
Last year

I don't think Cotton would have any issue playing a Boomers role. He's a confident player but the success Perth have had with him doesn't tend to come if he isn't playing within a team structure. Goulding is cocky in the NBL but contributed with the Boomers.

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BeeGee  
Last year

A couple of people have mentioned the height difference, but google puts Mills at 1.83m and Cotton at 1.82.

Is that right? If so, seems bizarre to comment on height differences for 1cm.

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Anonymous  
Last year

I think it's more bulk size than height size.

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