Krusher25
Last month

Sydney Kings Miscues

I am really questioning Adam Forde's decision making in the last play of the game against the Taipans.

They only need a 2 pointer to win so what does he draw up? A screen off the inbounds to give it to Casper to shoot a 3?? The same Casper who shot 1 of 8 before that shot? I dont know if anyone else is seeing this but the blind faith that they are putting in Ware who is just not the same gunner he was 3 years back is going to lose the Kings many close contests. Surely we have to go with who has the hot hand and not just on faith and reputation for someone shooting 6 of 21 (28%). Just head scratching. I hope Adam turns out better than that hopeless Illawarra coach last year.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Casper's new nickname is "Automatic". No clutch

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Casper used to be a good player.

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Ben  
Last month

I know he'd shot like shit, but I didn’t have a problem with Casper taking the final shot.

I thought the play itself was odd though, having Casper inbounds, the get the rock back for a rushed triple. Surely other plays were available that would’ve seen someone get a set shot rather than the prayer that was put up.

I’m not a lick for a coach though. I’d be interested in reading the assessment of the final play from someone who does have coaching chops.

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Anonymous  
Last month

"I thought the play itself was odd though, having Casper inbounds"

It was the same play Forde and the Wildcats used in 2018 for Cotton.

https://twitter.com/PerthWildcats/status/952421736431022080

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Midrange  
Last month

Ware finished 6/21 fgm yikes!

Ware looks like he's on a similar path to Rundle. Killing the league then dropping off a cliff the next.

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Anonymous  
Last month

The play was fine, the shot just missed. End of story.

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Anonymous  
Last month

No one had a hot hand though?
Go with experience then.

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AngusH  
Last month

I was fine with the play. I would have liked to see him go to the basket, but with the way the final 60 seconds were called I doubt there would have been a whistle on anything outside of a blatant foul anyway.

Less happy with the overall offense in the last Q as well as the lack of FTs for Ware on the foul right before the last play, but a 1 point loss to Cairns in Cairns is not the worst result.

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LV  
Last month

Casper got an open look at a 3. Slightly off balance. But what, a 30% chance to win the game?

From 3 seconds left, not a bad play.

Casper turned 31 yesterday and is under 6 foot. Guys like him won't age too well unfortunately, as speed and agility declines whereas height always remains. Someone like a Gaze (Slow, 6'7 guard) is always going to age better than someone like Casper or Randle. Iverson in the NBA declined sharply in his early 30's for example.

Having said that, Casper is physically strong for his height, and has a good range of skills so I expect he'll remain a good NBL player for a long while yet. Just wouldn't be surprised if his all NBL days are behind him. Hope he proves me wrong though, cos he's a United championship winner- the smiling assassin!

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Anonymous  
Last month

Go for the draw is always the best option. Then in the next 5 see what happens.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Home team overtime.
Away team go for the win.
If you haven't heard that before then it’s the same reason why Casper wasn’t shooting the foul shots at the end of the game . Home cooking

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Isaac  
Last month

I assume favouring levelheaded experience is part of him getting that shot. Then the idea of a cleaner look over a contested shot inside by a shorter player? Take the three if it's there or pass if not?

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Anonymous  
Last month

I think Forde didnt call timeout a few times when Cairns started making a run. I think he was out coached by Cairns.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Lol
The away team who was down their marquee Australian, their backup 5 man and restricted minutes for their marquee American loses by one with a shot to win it against a full strength cairns at home - yeah ok he got out coached.
Definitely seems like someone has a grudge for forde

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Anonymous  
Last month

Even the commentators could see a few times he needed to call a timeout to stem Cairns run. And he didnt.

The most classic timeout is one when you are ahead, like Sydney was and then the other team starts making a run. You call a timeout to calm your side and get some high quality plays.

He was outcoached from a winning position.

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Anonymous  
Last month

I think people just love to HATE the Kings. Myself a longtime Kings hater will be rooting for this team this year. Lots of likeable players and coach. The only DHs being the management.

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Anonymous  
Last month

It takes a little time to adjust to head coaching position, and let's face it this is the team Weaver put together, it’s still very young other than three old heads, Kelly took a year to adjust and I think the Mitchell is doing well at Phoenix but it is still going to struggle.

Casper even in United winning year only shot at just below 35%, he’s a quantity shooter and always has been, he should take a bit from Cotton now and learn to pass more and he might start to make more shots as he’s an easy double team because opponents no he ain’t passing it, he is still a great defender though.

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Three to Make Two  
Last month

Once when I was coaching an U16 team, I drew up a play for my guard to take a 3 in the dying seconds off an inbound play. Ran the play perfectly, he nailed it. Meant we lost by 2 instead of 5 but the boys were on a high!

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twenty four  
Last month

Casper's new nickname is "Automatic". No clutch
Not sure that one would really have the intended effect.

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twenty four  
Last month

Oops.

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Lovebroker  
Last month

Forde is asking the NBL for a clarification on the foul at the end of the game.

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/basketball/new-sydney-kings-coach-to-approach-nbl-over-controversial-call-in-taipans-loss-20210116-p56un5.html

I think it's fine for Casper to take the shot. Who else would you draw the play for?

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Anonymous  
Last month

Ware was hit three times before they blew the whistle, the third time it was in the act of shooting, they reviewed it was just a joke.

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LoveBroker  
Last month

> Ware was hit three times before they blew the whistle, the third time it was in the act of shooting, they reviewed it was just a joke.

I missed the last quarter so I can't comment on the play or the lead up.

The NBL's Sean Gottliebsen did say it was a tough one to call but suggested the call was for a foul not in the act of shooting.

Perhaps the call was for one of the earlier grabs but by the time the call was made, the at of shooting had begun?

If it has been ratified by the league can you accept that decision?

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Anonymous  
Last month

It's an outdated tradition to call timeouts to stop runs.
Early in season it’s a ploy of coaches now to get the players to manage themselves out of it. That’s what is obvious.

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Anonymous  
Last month

You try and also do something the opposing coach wouldn't plan for. You'd like a layup, but if you can get an open 3, then you take it.
If he had made it the headline would be what a genius play it was and how Ware is back.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Good point

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LoveBroker  
Last month

It's an outdated tradition to call timeouts to stop runs.
Early in season it's a ploy of coaches now to get the players to manage themselves out of it. That’s what is obvious.


Can you please shed some light on when timeouts to stem a shift in momentum became out of fashion?

I have seen losing dinosaur coaches like Vickerman, Gleeson, and Mike Kelly do it, are they all obsolete and should be replaced?

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Anonymous  
Last month

Wouldn't call it outdated, but some coaches don't use them necessarily to try and stop runs. Phil Jackson used to like his players to try and figure things out, but then again he had elite players.
I personally think on the road you call them to try and draw up a play to quiet the crowd and get the composure back.

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Mike  
Last month

Did the coach think that the ball was being taken from the other side of the court? Seemed a tough ask for Ware going that way over the handoff. Maybe a 'Newley to the basket' play might have been better, but Oliver would have been waiting.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Ware's preference is to go to his left. You obviously do not watch too much ball

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Anonymous  
Last month

It's interesting that everyone here has their opinion and I doubt any of them are NBL coaches. Too say a rookie coach playing away against the favorite full strength cairns team and lose by one was put coached is just silly

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Kevin Booth  
Last month

Ware has stunk for at least two seasons now.

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Tjamu  
Last month

seems all people wanna do now days is look to shoot a 3, even when not necessary!

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Anonymous  
Last month

To the rack unless your name is Cotton.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Didi and Ware in Santamaria duds, say a lot.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Win on the road? What idiot ever said that. Go the 2 and get O/T. lets the cards fall after that.

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D2.0  
Last month


Good coaches call timeouts to convey changes when something isn't working. Not simply to tell players what they already know.

As for Ware, two years ago he was the bes player in the league IMHO. He is their goto guy, and the Coach will back him, until such time as they decide to pay ways.

As for the play, it's a function of time and opportunity. Was the opening there for him to drive to he basket?? And did he have the time?

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koberulz  
Last month

Go for the draw is always the best option. Then in the next 5 see what happens.
Home team overtime.
Away team go for the win.
Win on the road? What idiot ever said that. Go the 2 and get O/T. lets the cards fall after that.
It was a one-point game, morons.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Can not see Ware changing his game, it's the way he has always played, he either gets rolling again or Sydney are in trouble.

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