Anonymous
Two months ago

Why is Giddey a Next Star and not a roster spot?

Can anyone shed light onto why Giddey would be signed as a next star instead of a roster spot? Seems to me that he could have been signed on a 1 year deal and the 36ers could have then got a next star as well.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

the NBL covers the salary of the NS

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

So the 36ers should have signed him to a 1 year and done the Terrance Ferguson , except get the money this time) and then still could have had a next star

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

If Giddey could've signed as a regular roster spot then chances are he wouldn't have gone to Adelaide.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Adelaide is best for him anyway.
Being on a team with deadwood on the bench and crap imports only enhances his exposure to the U.S.

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koberulz  
Two months ago

Can anyone shed light onto why Giddey would be signed as a next star instead of a roster spot? Seems to me that he could have been signed on a 1 year deal and the 36ers could have then got a next star as well.
I mean, if you switch "roster spot" with "import spot" that applies to every Next Star.

Sign him to a regular roster spot, he takes up a lot of space under the cap, and now you can't afford one of your other rostered players.

It's not quite as restrictive as with non-local Next Stars, because there are more potential spots for them to fill, but the same thinking applies. You can't just keep converting Next Stars to roster spots and end up with infinite money/cap space/players.

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There probably aren't too many next star players available anyway.

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LoveBroker  
Two months ago

Giddey qualifies as an NS as he is eligible for the draft next year.

Having Giddey as an NS means the NBL pays for his salary.

If Giddey gets drafted to a team and gets a contract, the NBL will likely get some sort of transfer fee.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

NBL pays the salary but NBA pays them back when the player is drafted because the buy out clause

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Next Stars are put into a portal when he comes eligible & any one can sign him. The player then gets to chose what team

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Curtley  
Two months ago

So what's stopping teams from signing a local who has never played pro and calling them a next star so the NBL pays their salary?

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

I see Curtleys point.
Say United signed Jack White as a next star as he was draft eligible and then freed up a roster spot to add another local.

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Zodiac  
Two months ago

Jack White was no threat to get drafted though, Giddey is expected to be a first round pick.

I think the Bullets may have been thinking of going down the Next Star route with Tamuri Wigness but the NBL probably said it's unlikely he will get drafted plus the player goes into a pool and gets offered up first to the team that finished bottom the previous season, then the second to bottom team etc so the Bullets who had put a bit of time into him didn't want to risk losing him to another team so signed him outright.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

If you are likely to get drafted should not come into it. White, Wigness should have been allowed to be next stars, as hawks did with jessup before he was drafted. One and done or four and done should be the same rules.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

^ pretty sure thats called restraint of trade

a player can sign wherever and with who ever they want

Does the NBL now see itself as owning all the young Australian talent? If they control teams NOT being able to sign them. Pandoras box is open.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Next Star = make up the rules as you go along. It's a joke.

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Zodiac  
Two months ago

Yes they do bugger around with the rules as they go along, Louzada had already been drafted (Jessup signed before he was drafted).

White, Wigness should have been allowed to be next stars, as hawks did with jessup before he was drafted.


Jessup was expected to be drafted and then was.

^ pretty sure thats called restraint of trade


Not it isn't.

a player can sign wherever and with who ever they want


and they all did they chose to sign with the NBL rather than a specific team likely because the NBL is willing to pay them more as a NS than an actual team would.

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koberulz  
Two months ago

So what's stopping teams from signing a local who has never played pro and calling them a next star so the NBL pays their salary?
The NBL has to decide that someone qualifies to be a Next Star, and then they're offered to every team in the league. Teams can't unilaterally declare Next Star status and certainly can't do so after a signing.

This is why the Wildcats signed John Mooney as an import. He was Next Star-eligible, but they didn't want him offered to other clubs.

If you are likely to get drafted should not come into it.
The entire point of the Next Star system is to generate media attention by having elite draft prospects playing in the league, to get NBA buyout money from first-round draft picks, and to build a relationship with the NBA whereby Australia becomes a respected league for building NBA-ready talent. If they're unlikely to get drafted, they can't help with any of those goals.

^ pretty sure thats called restraint of trade

a player can sign wherever and with who ever they want

Does the NBL now see itself as owning all the young Australian talent? If they control teams NOT being able to sign them. Pandoras box is open.
A player can do whatever they damn well please, what the fuck are you talking about?

If they're nominated as a Next Star, they get offered to all the teams in the league and there's a negotiation between interested clubs and the player as to where they'll go. Exactly like a normal contract negotiation.

There's also no rule that says Next Star-eligible players must be signed as Next Stars, so they're perfectly able to negotiate something outside of the Next Star system as well.

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koberulz  
Two months ago

Jessup signed before he was drafted
Only because the draft was so late.

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Zodiac  
Two months ago

Go away.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Koberulz wrecking another thread.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

I believe koberulz is on the money, and he is entitled to his opinion as you are.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

You can't force a player into the Next Star program. Simple.
Clubs would be better off negotiating direct with the player concerned, as I said before, just like the 36ers did with Ferguson

That’s the point I made

KR gets all cocky on his stage and says the exact same thing while being an utter dick head

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

I believe that the local NBL club where the NS signs has to pay $100k of the NS's salary. The REST is picked up by the NBL.
Yet again KobeR derails another thread.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

@zodiac my suspicion is that say Giddey is contracted by the NBL - thus the NBL is the dictator to where the player signs

If people think Lamelo chose a country town vs a big city then that's my point. Remember LK talked his mate into buying the Hawks. Said mate has now exited.




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koberulz  
Two months ago

I believe that the local NBL club where the NS signs has to pay $100k of the NS's salary. The REST is picked up by the NBL.
The way it was originally proposed, the NBL paid them $100k and that was their entire salary. It seems the NBL club can now top that up, although I don't believe anything to that effect has actually been officially stated.

Yet again KobeR derails another thread.
Yeah, must be annoying the way I constantly derail threads by...posting about the subject at hand. Would be much better if I just complained about other posters' existence.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

This thread hasn't be derailed at all.

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koberulz  
Two months ago

@zodiac my suspicion is that say Giddey is contracted by the NBL - thus the NBL is the dictator to where the player signs
I can prove, conclusively, that this is not how it works.

The proof is as follows: There are a non-zero number of Next Stars.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

"Yeah, must be annoying the way I constantly derail threads by...posting about the subject at hand. Would be much better if I just complained about other posters' existence." Yeah like you did in the brisbane lockdown topic. Oh wait that's been deleted.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Agree with Zodiac. I find him to be on the money majority of the time.
His only fault is being an Adelaide supporter :)

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

It's ok to be right about things but not arrogant.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

If next star doesn't want to the club the nbl wants there is nothing to stop him joining any club of his choice under a normal contract, ie the Perth import this season.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

"I think the Bullets may have been thinking of going down the Next Star route with Tamuri Wigness but the NBL probably said it's unlikely he will get drafted plus the player goes into a pool and gets offered up first to the team that finished bottom the previous season, then the second to bottom team etc so the Bullets who had put a bit of time into him didn't want to risk losing him to another team so signed him outright.

Cairns Taipans and Cairns Basketball had a lot to do with Wigness' earlier years. It's a pity Cairns doesn't have him as a local and I would love to know the reason for that.

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koberulz  
Two months ago

"Yeah, must be annoying the way I constantly derail threads by...posting about the subject at hand. Would be much better if I just complained about other posters' existence." Yeah like you did in the brisbane lockdown topic.
You mean the thread in which I was posting about lockdowns, which was still running two days and dozens of posts after I last posted in it?

Okay.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Shockingly KR has missed the point

The point is the 36ers would be better served having Giddey as a roster spot and open up a Next Star slot to run 3 imports like the Hawks do WITH Giddey

KR takes something very simple and makes it overly complicated to win tough guy in the internet awards

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KET  
Two months ago

" The point is the 36ers would be better served having Giddey as a roster spot and open up a Next Star slot to run 3 imports like the Hawks do WITH Giddey"

Makes an assumption that 1) 36ers would just be able to get a NS - having Giddey would mean an NS is less likely to get minutes, you can only have so many youngsters getting minutes and 2) 36ers want two youngsters in an already young/otherwise average side.

However, the point your making is clear despite others best efforts to derail it.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

If the NBL pays him 100k and the club can top it up with whatever they have in the cap. He makes 100k more as a NS than if he was on roster and the club gets a player they really can't afford.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

I'm asking why was he allowed to keep playing after clearly hitting his head against floor, but then ruled out of next game with concussion protocols. Team doctor needs to be seriously looked at, dangerous as hell.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

"KR takes something very simple and makes it overly complicated to win tough guy in the internet awards"
Yep 100% correct ^5. Oh those internet awards don't exist except in Kr's mind. But that won't stop him.

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Perthworld  
Two months ago

I'm asking why was he allowed to keep playing after clearly hitting his head against floor, but then ruled out of next game with concussion protocols. Team doctor needs to be seriously looked at, dangerous as hell.

From what was shown on TV it looked as if the concussion test was purely Giddey telling the doctor he was okay. Very dodgy.

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D2.0  
Two months ago

"Seems to me that he could have been signed on a 1 year deal and the 36ers could have then got a next star as well."

Using that logic, they should have signed him as a floor-wiper, so they could have both another Next Star AND a regular roster player.

You would have them get rid of another player, just so Giddey could have a regular roster spot, leaving them with one player less? And then do what?

Oh, tha5's right, go to the magic wishing tree and pick "another Next Star".

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koberulz  
Two months ago

The point is the 36ers would be better served having Giddey as a roster spot and open up a Next Star slot to run 3 imports like the Hawks do WITH Giddey

KR takes something very simple and makes it overly complicated to win tough guy in the internet awards
Who does he replace? DJ? He's not playing for free.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

If you can't understand the simple things KR probable best not to comment

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KET  
Two months ago

" Who does he replace? DJ? He's not playing for free."

He is not playing for DJs wage.

There is no doubt they'd have no trouble finding a way to fit Giddey in their roster planning had they wanted to go that route - perhaps avoiding having so many average guards.

The issues arise in that a NS is a risk in terms of being young and capable, to have an additional youngster means you’re spreading lots of minutes on youth players. Nobody really knew Giddey would be this effective

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koberulz  
Two months ago

We have no idea what he's playing for but I'm sure it's more than someone like Teys. Someone who's a significant part of the rotation would have to get the chop.

Which really narrows it down to DJ or Humphries, honestly. Either that or lots of them are way overpaid.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

What? Why would someone significant to the rotation have to be cut. Stupid comment

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

To put it simply, Giddey would have chosen to be a part of the Next Star program. That's the only way he could be a Next Star.

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KET  
Two months ago

Agreed, stupid comment - that's living in a narrow view of the world of what the roster looks like now. How they would spend money on other Australians and imports would be altered by that. Plus if they felt they wanted to spend more there’s no doubt there is that capability given 36ers would not be spending anywhere near to the tune of the Melbourne Uniteds of the world.

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