Isaac
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NBL plus-minus by team after four rounds

Season totals ranked by team, thanks to @NBLfacts. Consider with a grain of salt, etc.























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Anonymous  
Last month

Most useless stat in basketball, not even done in a lot European comps. If you get subbed on when the opposition is going to the stripe, you are straight into the minus. Who are you on the court with and how long, it's rubbish. Daniel Johnson at -65 is a clue to this stat, Creek -13 is another.

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Isaac  
Last month

Like I said, grain of salt and all.

Amazingly consistent coaching by Henry for DJ to be constantly subbed on just as the opposition is about to shoot free throws.

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Anonymous  
Last month

No Cairns

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Anonymous  
Last month

D Sloan is minus 36, and the 36ers are minus D Sloan.

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Isaac  
Last month

Haven't seen it posted yet, but I imagine it's fairly negative viewing.

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sixtiesrockstar  
Last month

+/- are a terrible stat as it is not directly linked to you. Your man doesn't touch the ball, Cotton sinks a 3, you are -3. Cotton sinks 2 in a row, you are -6. Now Cotton sinks his 3rd in a row, coach calls timeout, you are subbed in rotations and you are now -9 and it's got nothing to do with you. These stats are very misleading and variable.
DJ was the only player Sixers had in 20pt loss to Melb. He was also the best player Sixers had in losses to SEM and Kings.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Daniel Johnson and AJ Ogilvy sum it up for me.
How many would pick AJ over DJ.

Would be interested in efficiency stats, points per 40 mins etc.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Sixtiesrockstar, what about the play at the other end? Did you not make the extra pass or the easy layup to add +2 to the score? Or defensively, your man might not have touched it but did you do a hard show on the screen so Cotton wasn't so wide open?

Yes it's misleading but your analysis of it was far too simplistic.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Rockstar on the money.

It looks nice but so many variables, you can come in on foul throws and be straight in minus, your team turns it over, your team can be in foul trouble and your team fouls on first play and you are-4 instantly, and so on.

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Isaac  
Last month

sixtiesrockstar, your passage doesn't account for the times you benefit through limited action of your own; that would have *some* balancing effect. On aggregate, if whenever someone was on, their team was outscored beyond the margin, people would ask questions and look a bit deeper.

Spatial Jam usually has player combos with plus-minus too, plus accounts for garbage time which I don't think NBLFacts has.

DJ had a -31 in the opening game which would be a pretty savage influence on his number. Combining with Sloan more often than a bench player might've hurt his numbers.

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sixtiesrockstar  
Last month

using DJ as example shows +- is flawed. -31 in first game because his teammates were just crap.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Noi at the half has top cairns score at 13 but worst plus, minus at +1. I'm not certain what that all means but it says to me it’s probably a crappy stat.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Or it says Noi is a crappy defender?

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Anonymous  
Last month

I like what you did there #404, clever pickup

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Anonymous  
Last month

For all those claiming subbing in on FT's make you an instant negative. This is not the case with the latest FIBA live stats program - it goes on the players subbed out. So making that assumption for these plus/minus is false.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Most useless stat in basketball. Correct.
There are ways to stat stuff that take in all game situations including what the opposition does. +/- Isn't one of them. All stats for every player on the floor.

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Anonymous  
Last month

#716, it's not happening in the nbl, I watch both game and stats and it’s not working that way.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Over a large sample size this is one of the most useful stats in basketball. If you're team does better when you are on or off the floor over a long period of time, that tells a tale that most boxscores stats can't. Like any stat though, further investigation is required as to the 'why'.

It's still early in the season, but Adelaide have outscored teams by 42 points in the 60-odd minutes Johnson has been on the bench. That suggests those line-ups are working well, will be interesting to see if that continues.

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Anonymous  
Last month

You need a far better system that takes into account all stats including what the opposition does.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Not really, because basketball is about scoring more points than the opposition. No stat tells you the why, but plus-minus is good for telling the what over a large sample size.

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Anonymous  
Last month

The worst use of +/- I've ever seen was when Homicide used it to show Cairns, as a team, was +22 against Perth in one game last season. No Corey, that's called the final margin.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Why is there no NZ or Cairns plus minus.

Personally I think it's the most overrated stat, but if you look at last night game the players who helped the kings win all had good plus, minus. It just the way it pans out, really doesn’t mean shit.

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