Jack Toft
Earlier this year

Melbourne v Perth Feb 20

Arguably the two most hated teams in the league. Can the Wildcats break United's winning streak? yeah.... nah....
They're giving out free tampons for high school girls now, perhaps we can hand out free tissues for Cats fans. Perth not good enough, United to keep the streak going just a bit longer.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Melbourne by 21pts.

Perth to make no roster changes (SEM/Broekhoff style) after another loss.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Melbourne by 19

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Perthworld  
Earlier this year

Melbourne by 20.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Perth by 5

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Perth by 5.
Lol.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Melbourne by 15

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Cotton has had a good rest - will lead Perth to a win

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Perth won't win.
I'm a fan of them, they just aren't good enough.

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D2.0  
Earlier this year

Perth are underperforming, even given their poor squad.

Weird upsets do happen, that's the beauty of the NBL, but I'm not holding my breath.

I am a little surprised that other teams aren't giving MU more competition though.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

This thread to get many posts from anti Perth posters .

United by 26.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Did hopson take 3 steps on that fastbreak?

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Luuuc  
Earlier this year

Yes.

Did Wani change his name to Swani?

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Yes, travel every day week.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Unsportsmanlike for rotating and trying to defend, didn't realise been short was an Unsportsmanlike play now... guess all the home games aren't enough for united

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Norton is atrocious

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Perth better hope cotton gets his citizenship soon so they can get a playmaker because Norton is downright putrid

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LV  
Earlier this year

Brycius Cottinyis

Introduced into the Australian landscape only 4 years ago.

Already a protected species

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Maybe United should stop holding, also bit rich when landale is getting a usf called for what exactly?

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Btown  
Earlier this year

Have to agree, Norton playing well below the standard at the moment. Needs to settle down as at the moment it looks like he has 0 idea what his role is, pure chaos

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Lv no comment on the two freebies landale just got?

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

You can't touch big landale

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Norton, Adel, don't be to critical, they are in the Australian squad. Lol.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Lethius Verticus

Born 40 years ago.

Medical community remains flummoxed about why his 2nd eye has shown no signs of opening.

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Perthworld  
Earlier this year

Gold.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

No Corey Williams in the mic is incredibly refreshing.

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Free Agents  
Earlier this year

Wow Cotton and Blanchfield combining for 2 for 13 and Perth still in front.

Were they shooting hoops with Deng Adel last night.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

They say Melbourne is the Sporting Capital and all but this crowd size is a pretty worrying sign for this tournament. It's a United game and tickets were $10...

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LV  
Earlier this year

Quality sharp ball movement and aggressive play on the last possession

Need more

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Best commentary team today by far, keep the rest away.

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Perthworld  
Earlier this year

Lethius Verticus

Born 40 years ago.

Medical community remains flummoxed about why his 2nd eye has shown no signs of opening

I believe it's caused by Melbournitis.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Flogstaff still has it

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Perthworld  
Earlier this year

He just missed.

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Perthworld  
Earlier this year

Cotton airball. Yikes.

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Luuuc  
Earlier this year

LOL
Cats weren't even that good today. We just played hard.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Lol the United cheaters trying to buy a title and still lose to a poor Perth team

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Yinka Dare  
Earlier this year

Landale wiping the egg off his face as we speak. Lost at home to a team playing 3 SBL players. Yikes

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Flogstaff is very good still, oldish but still valuable. Trev wants the money to go towards his next player. Never write off the cats, to many suckers around here.

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Perthworld  
Earlier this year

It does feel weird. We win but were ordinary.

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Btown  
Earlier this year

Lucky the game wasn't on the line Jesse lol

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Yep, every year it's the same story. The United salary cap cheaters will be left in tatters

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Luuuc  
Earlier this year

Jesse has been good for the first 39:59 of most games this season

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Mystro  
Earlier this year

Melbourne take the L

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TB  
Earlier this year

Never underestimate the Cats.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Suck it LV.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Terrible game. Never understood why MU would sign a guy like Hopson who is an iso player and needs the ball to be effective - they already have so many of those.

Goulding out was his best chance to justify his contract but he has not delivered at all.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

WTF is going on with the mask wearing. Absolutely stupid.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

"Terrible game. Never understood why MU would sign a guy like Hopson who is an iso player and needs the ball to be effective - they already have so many of those"

If they had watched Hopson at all last season they should have known this...

Anyway, glad Perth won, now people can stop talking about an undefeated season.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Enjoyable game in the old fashion grind out, tough D.

Mooney v Landale was probably a draw and while both excellent players, can't see either athletic enough to play nba. Both would do very well in euro league teams though.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Hopson ain't it. And McCarron is still unproven as a lead guard. Melbourne are good, but nowhere near the juggernaut some people make them out to be.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

United Should replace Hopson with a legit PG

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FSTOS  
Earlier this year

Not sure why United seemed fixated on shooting a three at the end of the game?

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

"They say Melbourne is the Sporting Capital and all but this crowd size is a pretty worrying sign for this tournament. It's a United game and tickets were $10..."

Well seeing the government has attendance capped its not that big an issue idiot

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KET  
Earlier this year

Also Australian open

And Covid

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Where's LV? Loves to talk $hit, enjoy the loss mate

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

LV insinuating Cotton is a protected species while ignoring the run United get from the refs each game is hilarious

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Imo cup was a bad idea anyway and for revenue. Should have been all over aus.
Crowds will average less than 2500

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Yinka Dare  
Earlier this year

I agree. The nbl cup is a terrible idea. Maybe do it as a short preseason thing but not during the regular season. It's not innovative, it’s stupid

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Not sure why people are banging on about the reffing. Seemed quite fair overall?

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Did the government cap specify 0-7 people per block in the lower bowl. Looked way underattended on TV for a United game. Crowd was louder at last week's Perth vs SEM lockdown game. Yikes...

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Btown  
Earlier this year

Jervis 4 minutes , 3 fouls lol.

Cats need to find a center asap, it's going to be a long grind for mooney

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Let's just enjoy the basketball, to complaining for nothing, yes the crowd might not be that great but it gives us plenty of games after none for a long time. It’s not your money you are losing and hopefully they can make a buck.

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JMS  
Earlier this year

Cotton incredible again, what a clutch player. Literally had either Baba or McDaniel hanging off of him off the pick, nails it consistently. Mooney was very impressive again and great to see Wagstaff nailing the triples when United doubled, hard to beat that play. Thought Blanchfield was very good also.

Very sloppy performance from United. McCarron really struggled to run the sets, not enough ball into Landale in the block. They went away from the dribble handoff, not sure why? Hopson was very poor, agreed that he's suited to the iso plays, but in reality most aggressive slashers are the same. He needs to slow it down, get some picks and make better decisions.

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Macca  
Earlier this year

You all know we're one Australian Citizenship away from becoming a juggernaut this season.

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Kassie  
Earlier this year

It was a weird experience being there - it wasn't a "united home game:' experience - as it is meant to be a neutral court. It was still enjoyable but lacked the home game atmosphere.

Hope Money will be ok for out next game.

GO UNTIED - they will bounce back!

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LV  
Earlier this year

Feeling good about this season

Missing CG and Ili. Hopson missed 2 open looks to take the lead on the last possession, Perth got some crucial calls down the stretch too (eg Cotton and Blanchfield both scoring after pushing off their opponent, Landale denied 2 shots despite being fouled on a tip in)

Plenty of upside for United

Perth is a well oiled machine but unlikely to figure in top 4 unless they upgrade their roster (now that SEM has Broekhoff)

Cotton was absolutely clutch but it's off putting watching his theatrics. Watch the replay of the 3 he hit with 50 seconds left. Unnatural leg kick. Had the commentators fooled into thinking he got fouled (not me, I spotted it the first time). If a flop is penalised, why isn't that?

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

"You all know we're one Australian Citizenship away from becoming a juggernaut this season."

All the pre season crap about Cotton naturalising this year is exactly that. Crap. You are less than 1 season away from missing out on the finals.

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Another Anon  
Earlier this year

Haha LV, you should be feeling good about the season. Most expensive team in NBL history, fake cup just to get you more home games than anyone else.
Anything less than a championship is a failure.

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LV  
Earlier this year

Haha not as expensive as Sydney last year

Love the cup criticism, Melbourne is the bball and sporting capital, always has been

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Lv, United players push off at times to. Do You have a problem with gouldings theatrics to get a call? You can't expect to wear a player as good as cotton like a glove and then cry when you get done for fouling him. Your team is stacked, even missing the current 2, you lost.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Typical LV bullshit. Bball sporting capital, won 1 title in a decade. Tell me again how great Victoria is

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

LV doesn't understand the rules...

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LV  
Earlier this year

[Your team is stacked, ]

When Sam McDaniel's playing big minutes no, we're not stacked at the moment

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Take the loss with dignity.

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Luuuc  
Earlier this year

Piss weak copouts by LV after a close loss. What a massive shock!

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LV  
Earlier this year

[Piss weak copouts]

LOL! Sorry?

What copouts?

United was due a loss and were lucky they hadn't lost one already, I said that on here weeks ago, they weren't playing like a team who would remain undefeated for too long. No surprises at all about today's result.

Hopson remains at this level and United is absolutely beatable, and won't deserve the $2 favouritism bestowed upon them

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Melbourne the sporting capital and how championships have the United won over the years with their years salary cap cheating ways

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Musk  
Earlier this year

Melbourne were due for a loss plus they were without cg and Ili, and mccarron goes down at the end plus hopson misses 2 good looks at the end so no need to panic for them on the record side of things and nothing to get overly pleased about for all the anti vics on this thread. Injuries mounting up is a concern however so will have to see how they handle that.

For all the stooges complaining about Melbourne being the sporting capital but only referencing the nbl, you do realise that Melbourne is the home to the afl (the biggest and most popular sport in aus), the aus open, plus having just about every other sport too besides rugby being very prominent in the state of Victoria. And since Melbourne is the capital it's only natural it hosts these sporting events. You don’t have to like and yes it can be annoying at times over the chest beating of Victorians claiming how great Vic and Melbourne is, and I too as a Victorian find it annoying but understand for the most they’re not wrong.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

#303 Open the other eye, he got hit on the elbow.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

LV is complaining about Cotton getting superstar treatment on a play that the refs didn't even reward him? Huh?

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KET  
Earlier this year

LV

Your team is stacked regardless of CG

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KET  
Earlier this year

To complain about lack of talent would be like Bill Gates complaining about lack of money.

We would be happy to take Landale off your hands! Or McCarron. Or Hopson. Or Baba. Or even Barlow.

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LV  
Earlier this year

[LV is complaining about Cotton getting superstar treatment on a play that the refs didn't even reward him? Huh?]

Many flops go unrewarded too. Cottons kick was as bad as any flop I've seen. Should be illegal.

[
Your team is stacked regardless of CG]

If CG and Ili were done for the year instead of coming back in 3 weeks, I'd suggest SEM, Sydney and Hawks would become top 3 favourites.

Alternatively if United never had CG and Ili on their roster at all, would they have been Championship favourites at any stage? No.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Are you comparing teams on paper?

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Yinka Dare  
Earlier this year

Perth played 3 SBL level guts decent minutes lol. How United lost that on their own court with a stacked team is concerning. Basically beaten by cotton and Mooney.

I actually thought the reffing was good for both games yesterday. I guess people will look for excuses though.

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LV  
Earlier this year

[Are you comparing teams on paper?]

Just saying, if you take CG and Ili off Utd roster altogether, several teams are more "stacked"

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Perth are doing fairly well considering they have had to play guys who are inexperienced. Very little NBL minutes between Shervill, Bairstow, Wani and Travers, who combined for about 1/6th of their minutes yesterday. Not to mention Mooney has played fewer than 10 games of pro-level basketball including the preseason.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

LV, the teams you listed above are not more stacked, even without Goulding. I'm not adding Ili to the discussion because he's not much of a player.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

So lv you want cg43 to get t'd up for both his flopping and kicking of his legs now?

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

If Goulding got penalised for every time he drove into a defender, literally head first, and then flung his head back, he would never see the second half of any game.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Gleeson is the best day game coach, has been for years, he does not need computers to tell him when to sub players on and off, he sees it with his own eyes. He only needs players to do what they are supposed to and his sides will be forever competitive. Mooney, Wagstaff and Cotton get the job done yesterday and the rest just need to defend and do their jobs.

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Kassie  
Earlier this year


" I'm not adding Ili to the discussion because he's not much of a player."

I'm just going to disregard your comments Anonymous - as you clearly don't much much basketball

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Jack L99  
Earlier this year


"If Goulding got penalised for every time he drove into a defender, literally head first, and then flung his head back, he would never see the second half of any game."

Please show us some footage of this.

Anytime a defender gets anywhere near Cotton - he flops around like a dying fish - but I guess this is what Perth have always done - Redhage, Wagstaff - these 2 were especially good at instigating contact then flailing around like they had just been shot

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Luuuc  
Earlier this year

Calling Melbourne the sporting capital is not the same as calling it titletown.

It is the sporting capital. Nowhere else hosts and supports sport at Melbourne's level. That's just a fact. And that reputation is international, not just within Australia.
If you're an aussie and you love & value sport (which I would assume applies to most people that post here) then IMO it's something to be proud of, even if you don't live in Melbourne.
Melbourne setting the bar high is good for everyone else too.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Perth is title town. Melbourne is the United chokers town

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Luuuc  
Earlier this year

LOL! Sorry?

What copouts?

Dude. Come on. Your first reaction to the loss was to cherry pick a few things you felt went against you, and completely fail to acknowledge the ones that went the other way. It's your trademark.

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Zodiac  
Earlier this year

Agree Melbourne is not just the sporting capital of Australia but is also the home of basketball in Australia too, always has been.

If anyone disagrees with that go and have a look at where all the Aussies that have played in the NBA were born, about 80% have come from Melbourne.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Interesting that this Wildcats are supposed to be a rubbish no talent team....what does that make Melbourne United after they just beaten by this "crappy" team?
Isn't Melbourne United meant to be the best team in the league with the best depth?

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

The Melbourne nrl team gets more loyal followers than most other nrl teams. The storm has been the most successful over the last 20 odd years as well.

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Luuuc  
Earlier this year

Even in their depleted state they still out-talent the Cats, and were playing at home.
Bryce didn't even have one of his better games (by his own standards I mean. He was still the best player on the court)
United just got outsmarted and outworked. Which is one of the worse ways to lose. I very rarely experience that as a Wildcats fan, but as a West Coast Eagles fan I know the feeling well.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Big Luuuuc laying the smackdown!

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LV  
Earlier this year

[. I'm not adding Ili to the discussion because he's not much of a player.]

HAHAHA Hoops forum, the place for hot takes

[Dude. Come on. Your first reaction to the loss was to cherry pick a few things you felt went against you, and completely fail to acknowledge the ones that went the other way. It's your trademark.]

Correction- my first reaction was to explain why I'm feeling good about this season despite losing a regular season game, after which we're still multiple games clear on top of the table. Eg much more upside left for United than Perth based on that game

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LV  
Earlier this year

[United just got outsmarted and outworked]

Fair take

I'm happy enough they lost one. Might reduce any creeping complacency after over confident talk of going undefeated

They haven't clicked so far, just solid defense and good depth have helped them win games but they could've easily lost 2 or 3 already. If yesterday results in some soul searching, that's a good thing

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LV  
Earlier this year

[they could've easily lost 2 or 3 already]

I meant before yesterday, so 3 or 4 now

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Perthworld  
Earlier this year

You've been on this forum long enough to know how to quote. What a slow learner you are. This [ ] garbage you use isn't the correct format.

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Big Ads  
Earlier this year

Home of basketball in Australia is Melbourne?

While Victoria might have the strongest representation numbers, key administration offices and a strong reputation for producing excellent international standard players, some people might be surprised where the game first started in Australia.

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Zodiac  
Earlier this year

Where it started is irrelevant the home of basketball in Australia has always been Melbourne and I say that as a proud South Australian.

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Perth fan.  
Earlier this year

Ýeah yeah we all acknowledge Melb as the home of basketball.

Just want LV to acknowledge Perth were better on the day.

I'm a Perth fan who still thinks a full strength United team is the championship favorite but call a spade a spade.

As for refereeing calls plenty of "wrong calls" go against BOTH teams LV.

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Tom  
Earlier this year

Gutsy win by Perth. Cotton hit some outrageous shots but Hopkins will never get 2 better looks to win a game and he was way off the mark. The more pressure the better Cotton shoots. Have to double him esp if there is a screen. Make somebody else beat you.

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Perthworld  
Earlier this year

Melbourne is the basketball capital of Australia, but not the NBL capital, which is Perth.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Why, LV? What does Ili provide that Melbourne can't easily cover?

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Kevin Booth  
Earlier this year

LV be more salty bro, you can't.

Take the L that was "due" with some dignity.

Superstars get calls btw.

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D2.0  
Earlier this year

Whilst enjoying the return to traditional grinding Perth defence, I'll admit to being surprised by the victory.

But not as surprised as some by MU's loss. Yes, they're a good team, and the addition of Landale has made them formidable. But they're not as stacked as many claim.
CG is a big out for them, and without Ili they have no recognised PG.

Hopson is not exactly a top-tier import, and whilst Baba has been a revelation, it's offset by not having a proper 2nd import. Being able to call up Stith is helpful, but he's not NBL quality.

Great to see Perth grind out a win, but especially with the cup format, I don't think those minutes are sustainable. Jesse is a diehard competitor, but we can't keep relying on him for 25 minutes.

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Perth fan.  
Earlier this year

Unfortunately D2.0 Perth need to rely on Wagstaff more than they should as Travers isn't ready for the big minutes and Bairstow is a waste of a roster spot.

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LV  
Earlier this year

Absolutely Perth the better team on the day, by a whisker.

Such is life

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LV  
Earlier this year

[What does Ili provide that Melbourne can't easily cover?]

Oh I dunno, Ili's the best defender in our back court. How's that for a start?

0h and the only guy in the team who's played majority of his career as a 1.

Oh and great play down the stretch of last season and opening this season, a level of basketball Sam Short and Sam McDaniel almost certainly won't replicate?

Is that enough?

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Some of that is Uniteds roster construction though, mccaron is the starting 1, ili is the bench pg, so you know, how much do you care when cats fans say Majok went down?

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Baba is a better defender than Ili

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Zodiac  
Earlier this year

Ili is close to the best defensive PG in the league though, Majok isn't in that conversation at the PF or C spots.

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LV  
Earlier this year

Huh?

Sorry?

Are we comparing a guy who

- starter from a team who lost last seasons semi finals at the death of game 3, and

- 6th man at the 2019 world cup

With a guy who has barely played the past 2 NBL seasons? (Barely in NZs rotation 2 years ago and last year after Plumlees arrival was playing 3 or 4 minutes a game)?

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Cherry-picked stats, and once again thinking the game is played on paper.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

LV is still refusing to admit Perth won the game.
Poor sportsmanship.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Well he did kinda admit they won a few posts ago, but not without a barrage of excuses. And I doubt he'd recognise thag aside from Perth beating them on the weekend, they were also one uncharacteristic turnover away from beating them a few weeks ago. So it seems like Perth has Melbourne's number this year.

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Andrew  
Earlier this year

No-one even mentioned that Steindl was out as well

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Just wait for LV to cherry-pick some stats that supposedly prove he wasn't missed.

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D2.0  
Earlier this year

So how do the points for this work?
They drew one quarter, and Perth won two quarters.
Does the 3rd quarter go to MU for outscoring? Or to Perth for being in front?

And what about for the season, is it just treated as a regular game?

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

They spilt the point if the points scored in the quarter are equal. Perth won 5.5 points out of a possible 7.

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Perth fan.  
Earlier this year

3 points for a win and 1 point for each quarter won. Perth get 5.5 and Melbourne 1.5 as they won a quarter and drew equal in another.

And yes these are all counted as regular season games.

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Perth fan.  
Earlier this year

Sydney, SEM and Cairns are joint leaders on 6 points.

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Senator11  
Earlier this year

"3 points for a win and 1 point for each quarter won. Perth get 5.5 and Melbourne 1.5 as they won a quarter and drew equal in another.

And yes these are all counted as regular season games."

Geezus, they can't even record the stats correctly, now they're playing with mathematical fire.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

NBL Cup should be a stand alone knockout competition. No influence of the season. Stop f'ing with the league, nothing wrong with it, so why change it?

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LV  
Earlier this year

[Cherry-picked stats, and once again thinking the game is played on paper]

Absolute nonsense

Majok only just NBL standard. Was Perth's 10th man or so last season.

Ili started last year- not the whole season but down the stretch once Vickerman settled on their most balanced lineup, and in the semi finals.

"Is our best back court defender" and plays at a high level- not sure what about those comments is "on paper"?

You dont have to admit Ili's a gun and would play serious minutes for any team in the NBL, if you don't want to. But understand you're in the tiny minority of observers if you don't rate him

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LV  
Earlier this year

[And I doubt he'd recognise thag aside from Perth beating them on the weekend, they were also one uncharacteristic turnover away from beating them a few weeks ago. So it seems like Perth has Melbourne's number this year.]

Perth's done well against UTD this year, no doubt

You probably wouldn't admit UTD had Perth's measure last year though, and it was only some calls going Sydney's way that prevented Perth from meeting UTD in the GF

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Pretty sure Majok started a bunch of games for Perth last season.

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LV  
Earlier this year

How many did he start once Perth had a half decent big?

How many minutes was he playing in the playoffs?

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Not sure but he got a championship ring!

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Majok played very well last season, even if he didn't get big minutes he was far than Jarvis is today.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

This whole combo started with LV pissing and moaning when a valuable role player went down, but when someone said that's the same way Perth fans felt when Majok went down this season, so LV took that personally and decided that a ridiculous comparison between the two was warranted, when its pretty clear that Majok was going to be a major part of the Cats rotation this year.

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LV  
Earlier this year

Majok hasn't been a "major part" of anyone's rotation for 3 or 4 years.

Correction- this started when some anon said "I'm not adding Ili to the discussion because he's not much of a player"

If he's not a player, what does that make Majok Majok? Ili's a damn sight better player than Majok.

Comparing Majok Majok to Ili is ridiculous.

Furthermore, Jervis just turned 34, not 39. He's not that old, only had one year off. In his prime he was a much better player than Majok Majok. Right now you'd rather have Majok, of course. Perth actually got a replacement whereas Ili got injured 2 weeks ago.

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LV  
Earlier this year

[In his prime he was a much better player than Majok Majok. ]

Actually a tad harsh, Majok was pretty decent in his first year with United. Unfortunately he's not improved any since then, and the big man contingent in the league's gotten better.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Comparing Majok Majok to Ili is ridiculous

Then stop doing it

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D2.0  
Earlier this year

Only time will tell if the Cup was a Good idea.
Assuming we make it through without a lockdown, and if there is a Good spread of results, then it was probably a good way to get through a stack of games.
The danger is that a team falls flat and loses a bunch of games in a short period.

My big concern for this season is the lack of revenue and how that effects teams, and I don't really see the Cup helping that.

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koberulz  
Earlier this year

Assuming we make it through without a lockdown, and if there is a Good spread of results, then it was probably a good way to get through a stack of games.
The NBL Cup games are in addition to the originally-scheduled 28 regular-season games. It achieves nothing in terms of "getting through a stack of games", it just makes things take longer while blocking out an entire month of the season where they can't allocate home games to clubs that might need them given lockdown situations.

None of the stated reasons make sense. The only thing I can think of is that given the Boomers were originally meant to play in the Philippines, they a) would have had to send NBL players and b) would have been away for a month or so given quarantine requirements at each end. Thus, the NBL Cup could be played in that month to keep the other players busy and keep the NBL in the spotlight. Remember, there were originally discussions as to whether the NBL Cup games would count towards the season or not.

Once we were scheduled to play NZ instead, an agreement could be made regarding the types of players who would compete, the NBL guys were free to stay in, but the Cup had already been announced and promoted, without ever acknowledging its true purpose, and thus couldn't be walked back from.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

I'm enjoying it so far, two games every evening for a tragic like me is fine. It would make a great preseason tournament in following years with the prize money. You then start the normal season with games closer together. I think you can play season games Thursday night to Monday nights. It could work out well if they can get a tv deal.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

"The NBL Cup games are in addition to the originally-scheduled 28 regular-season games. It achieves nothing in terms of "getting through a stack of games"

This is incorrect. The idea of the NBL Cup is to put games in the bank quickly in case there are border closures/lockdowns etc later on that don't allow the full planned season to be played.

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koberulz  
Earlier this year

Yeah, no, that's bullshit.

If they were worried about getting the season off, they wouldn't have made it longer.

If they wanted to get games away while they could, they would've hubbed immediately, not waited until February.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Yeah nah sorry KR but your wrong this time

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LV  
Earlier this year

NBL cup is a good idea and adds something to the season

However, 36 games is too much. Over saturation. Just like the BBL should've remained at 8 or 10 games instead of moving to 14 a couple of years ago.

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Zodiac  
Earlier this year

This is incorrect. The idea of the NBL Cup is to put games in the bank quickly in case there are border closures/lockdowns etc later on that don't allow the full planned season to be played.


This is what I think is the most logical reason for the NBL Cup too. Which gives the impression is was created to perhaps meet contractual obligations in case the league got shutdown due to Covid-19.

However, what those 'contractual obligations' would be I'm not sure, it couldn't really be TV like with the NBA as the NBL doesn't get paid anything by SBS/ESPN. Perhaps it's with the player's union in return for the players taking 50% pay cuts this season, a guarantee of x amount of games/time being paid.

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TB  
Earlier this year

I'll take what ever BS reason the NBL gives for having the Cup this year, right up until they schedule the second half of the year. If SEM and Melbourne have more home games scheduled in its crock of shit.

Also if its announced that the Cup will be in Melbourne every year, also a crock. If you are going to have a cup every year it should be rotated through all capitals including Darwin and Canberra.

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koberulz  
Earlier this year

They're talking about taking the Cup overseas now. Which very much puts paid to the timezone argument with regard to Perth.

And of course SEM and Melbourne will have more home games after the Cup. They will have 14 non-Cup home games, as will every other club.

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TB  
Earlier this year

Except that every other team isn't having 7 HOME cup games in front of their home crowds. If these games didn't count towards regular season I'd have no issues with them getting more games in Melbourne but these are counting, so why should they get 7 more home games than everyone else?

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

No different to Townsville and the WNBL Hub

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TB  
Earlier this year

A few differences actually
1) it was a regular season hub not a cup
2) it is the WNBL
3) most states were locked down to each other at the time.

If anyone can give me a valid reason that doesn't include the wanky 'Melbourne is the sporting capital' why 2 teams should get 7 more home games than every other team im happy to listen.

And as I've said if the cup wasn't counted towards regular season I wouldn't care.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

NBL Cup should be 3 on 3 with 2 teams representing each NBL club.

Games should be for 10mins. Mini season type then finals for top 4.

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