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NBL1 Central 2021 Power Rankings

The season is just around the corner so I thought I'd jump back in and do some power rankings. Note - these are season power rankings, not necessarily for week 1. I will do some match previews in the lead up to games with the limited knowledge I have, but as always appreciate comments from those who know the league better and their opinions as well.

1 - Forestville

Back to Back champions, have to start at the top here. Mays, Brine and Harris back it seems plus we all know they will add a 36er at some point though Teys signing in Queensland may throw a spanner in the works. Faith in Andy to put a competitive team on the court.

2 - South

LOADED up. With a more proven coach they would be top here. 2 36ers, Starling who is still the best import in the game, a bunch of Tigers championship players and some promising South juniors. Spent up big to get Mudronja and Hulland, now have to live up to expectations.

3 - Woodville

May surprise people to see them up this high but how can you not after their import announcement last week. Massive signing and may be the best player to come into the league in a while. A solid core around him and experienced coach. These guys will challenge.

4 - Norwood

Sad news about Andrew Webber who must now surely hang up the boots. Turnage still the best offensive player in the league and Lycett a proven performer, along with a great coach. They will be at the pointy end.

5 - Southern

Looks as though they have another import in Cameron Coleman to add to Koop McCalop already, these guys will be tough competitors this year with a young core and some really talented kids. Would expect them to keep their finals streak alive this season.


6 - Sturt

Speaking of well drilled, the Sabres won't beat themselves but might just lack for top end talent. Have noticed some signings announced by them recently and good to see Sam Daly back, he will form a great back court with Joel Spear but question marks over their size might hold them back. Rigoni will be in the mix for coach of the year again if he can get them into finals.

7 - West

Hadn't factored them too highly previously but a couple of huge announcements recently with Ernest Ross and Bryan Michaels joining them. On my research both look like they will be elite level players in this competition. Always a well drilled side, will just need 1 or 2 more players to step up to push for finals.

8 - North

Maybe a bit of a slide for these guys under new leadership and seemingly having lost Marshall and Harding. Dowdell is solid and will do well for them and have seen Jimma Dau playing for them over summer but may not have quite as much as the teams above them.

9 - Centrals

Bit of a wildcard Centrals who will have size and length on their side but may be too erratic to consistently challenge the top teams. The kid from WA will put up numbers some games, Maharaj.

10 - Eastern

All quiet out at Eastern, to be honest they could surprise as I haven't heard of them signing any new players, but could be flying under the radar. Picked up one of the best coaches n the league so they will no doubt be more competitive than previous years.

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Anonymous  
Last month

What happened to Webber?

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Anonymous  
Last month

Laughing at the Eastern write up

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Anonymous  
Last month

Andrew Webber has done his ACL

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Anonymous  
Last month

North have signed McVeigh and dech so surely get the same if not more love than south

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Anonymous  
Last month

I haven't seen any announcements to that effect?

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anon  
Last month

If the west imports have the impact that is expected, they will jump up the rankings.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Fair attempt giving the usual lack of information from Clubs and BSA.

36ers commitments will mean they will miss a big part of the season, even without NBL Finals. Hulland & Mudronja (South), Dench & McVeigh (North) are locked in. Be interested to see if Humphries signs somewhere given his multi year contract and after such a long off season in 2020 will DJ suit (eagles or elsewhere).

The BSA decision to drag out the season over the longest time frame of all NBL1 Competitions highlights once more how out of touch the organisation is. Clubs mad rush in the last few weeks til Round 1 also another byproduct of the season starting way too early for the number of games being played.

Hopefully BSA manage to find enough referees to cover all the games unlike their also re branded but worse quality ML Div 1 & 2 games every Friday night. No doubt once again we'll be blooding 14 year old kids and referees with 1-2 years experience onto the top level while what's left of the senior guys and gals are forced to double up reffing Women's and Men's games in the one night. Centrals must be looking forward to another season of spot the rookie.

Based on the limited knowledge I have of each roster I'd predict a final ladder of:
MEN
Forestville
Woodville
Sturt
North
South
West
Norwood
Southern
Centrals
Eastern

WOMEN
South
Sturt
Forestville
Norwood
North
West
Eastern
Southern
Woodville
Centrals



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Anonymous  
Last month

Considering the top 5 referee's will all be on NBL duties till June doesn't bode well for the above comment relating to sourcing referee's. Add that to locals servicing NBL1 South MTG games and it could get very ugly.

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Anonymous  
Last month

And 1 off to Tokyo.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Yes but her tournament only lasts 4 days so she will only miss 1 round

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Anonymous  
Last month

I agree with the prediction of #942. Be interesting to see what imports do get to Adelaide on-time with quarantine measures. Might be a slow start to the season.

#948 - She'll miss more than 1 game as she'll have to quarantine upon her return. She'll miss 3 - 4 games at least.

Young refs are being pushed thru way too quick and need to "learn and earn" the top games. Dealing and communicating with coaches instead of just throwing T's around is absolutely absurd for senior games at this level. Talk to them and earn their respect and they'll give it right back unless your clueless and talking to them you'll know you'll put your foot in your own mouth. If they mouth off disrespectfully then shove it to them.

Problem is BSA has treated SOME senior refs with such disrespect and they've walked away from the game, moved state, etc. Burning them out doing too many games during the week also. It's going to take a long time to fix this mess.

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Anonymous  
Last month

#950 we forget she doesn't make herself available anyway so it's semantics really

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Anonymous  
Last month

No senior ref's worth any value have moved interstate. None.

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question time  
Last month

innocent question
someone said top 5 aba refs are doing Nbl
Is that right?
SA has five Nbl Refs now?

I thought they only had Durant and maybe one other

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Anonymous  
Last month

Aylen*

Durant
Grigoul
Troy
Starkey

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Anonymous  
Last month

What is aba?

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Real time  
Last month

Thanks
I still had Michael Aylen as a Vic Ref and did not realise those other three were Nbl level
You learn something new every day

Also I realise it's not called the Aba anymore but realistically it’s still our state league
The name Nbl one is a bit of a hilllary swank

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Anonymous  
Last month

It hasn't been the aba for a very long time

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Anonymous  
Last month

Griguol has done over 30 games now (nearly 20 this season if my memory serves me right). He will pass Durant very quickly. The other 2 are still under 15 games I think. Aylen has been in SA since around 2015 as a guess.

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Real time  
Last month

Neither has it been called the Clipsal Powerhouse but some good things stick

Premier League was a bad name also IMO
Sounds like Football (round ball)

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Real time  
Last month

I think Durant is better than Aylen & certainly better than the other Adelaide refs
That's just an opinion of course

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Anonymous  
Last month

hahahaha

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Anonymous  
Last month

Good to see Simons back playing alongside lightning's Basham

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Joe Johnson  
Last month

Are there any early indications of a big season in reserves? Seen a lot of teams playing their full roster. Anyone been out to any games ?

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Sixers  
Last month

South women rated as #1!? Why do you think that?

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Anonymous  
Last month

South women great coach, loads of talent... why not?

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Anonymous  
Last month

Olivia Thompson

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Toeball  
Last month

Where was the news that Webber tore his acl?

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Anonymous  
Last month

It was on his Instagram.

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Anonymous  
Last month

#965 thanks for posting Nathan

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Anonymous  
Last month

The big question will be what record will north and south have by the time the 36ers are available to play

Will it be over or will they be still a chance , let's say the 36ers are good from around round 8-9

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Anonymous  
Last month

That depends how many wins you think they will need to make finals.

South won't be a problem I’d suggest. They have Starling, Johns and the rest. North are the big question mark.

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Real time  
Last month

BP might be keen to play NblOne from the start in order to get some court time so perhaps Rockets can lease him from Coach Henry

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Anonymous  
Last month

What are the player restrictions this year. Ie how many Imports / NBL players can you have in a team

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Anonymous  
Last month

What will North do with Dowdell? Dech would certainly qualify as restricted player, but will McVeighs jump in minutes also rule him out, or will North have to use Forestvilles lawyers?
And everyone is saying because South have so many juniors, they can afford all of these signings, but surely there's a limit. Down an imports wage, but the rest would be on good coin. And is Starling and Johns playing footy? Does anyone still have article where Petty said part of his culture building was to play and develop South juniors?

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Anonymous  
Last month

Desantis has de-committed from Mount Gambier and shofted back to Adelaide. Has signed with Eastern Mavs and will solidify their point guard position boosting them up the power rankings for sure

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Anonymous  
Last month

If that's true, boosted them to second last place over Centrals.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Norwood won't make top 5

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Anonymous  
Last month

Desantis de-committed? Try injury champ and out for the rest of the year.

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Anonymous  
Last month

I have it on good authority he faked it to get out of a shitty contract in the mount for a better one at mavs

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Anonymous  
Last month

"What will North do with Dowdell? Dech would certainly qualify as restricted player, but will McVeighs jump in minutes also rule him out"

I think from memory Australian NBL non-starters won't be classified as restricted. I could be wrong, but regardless: McVeigh has already been ruled as unrestricted for North.

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Anonymous  
Last month

"South women great coach, loads of talent... why not?"

They lost to the Metro U18s, while Sturt beat them by about 50...

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Anonymous  
Last month

Due to the NBL season timing they used last years minutes to determine restricted players. Dech is restricted, McVeigh is not.

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Under a Rock  
Last month

Round 1 will be horrible for refs. With an NBL game now in Adel plus 4 refs away at Nationals they'll be seriously lacking in depth. Good luck with any consistency

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Anonymous  
Last month

No one says you can't deregister a restricted player mid season. I wouldn’t be surprised some clubs to use that!!!

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Anonymous  
Earlier this month

The late signing of Simons to the women's Eagles team puts them over the top, pairing her up with Basham. North and Sturt to challenge as the clear top 3. Forestville also have the best coach.

Whoever suggested South is laughable, like suggested earlier the state U18’s smacked them with Olivia Thompson suiting up.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this month

Southern tigers women are top 2. Beat Sturt on Tuesday.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this month

Because results from Summer Season Reserves games and Scratch Matches mean anything come the end of the season.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this month

Quoting reserves game results lol

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Anonymous  
Earlier this month

"Because results from Summer Season Reserves games and Scratch Matches mean anything come the end of the season."

You're right: better to use baseless opinions from anonymous posters than actual results.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this month

Would be expecting near full strength teams playing Tuesday nights at this stage, but there seems to be a lot of players sitting out. And yes, I know some are committed with sixers, but seems lite on atm.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this month

so you go with your results. I'll go with my knowledge of the clubs, coaches, teams, players, availibilty of said players, players yet to be announced, history etc.

I'm not saying you have to agree with me, just saying I don't take results in a pointless money making competition or a State team trial game as relevant. That's me.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this month

Baseless knowledge*

Because nothing prior to the NBL1 season is relevant, remember?

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Anonymous  
Earlier this month

^Please enlighten us with your wisdom of these new players since you know about every club and players availability. Or you just talking shit.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this month

Top 3-4 players wouldn't play Reserves right now - why risk an injury in Reserves when the start of the season is just around the corner.

DeSantis is scheduled for a recon on his knee - don't know how he is faking that to go play for another team.

It should be a good season and I'm sure with regards to the refs - this will be watched very closely seeing that most games are all recorded. There will be an uproar if there is substandard refing when the clubs are forking out quite a bit of $$$$ for their players. Someone's head is going to roll if they get it wrong.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this month

Hahaha reffing standard has been well below par for years. The person in charge got promoted.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this month

Ummm, why do teams play practice games for??? Its happened since day dot that most teams trot their full squad out for last few games of reserves in summer.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this month

BSA just does not have the cattle in the referee stocks. It's as simple as that. You have your top few (who will hardly do any games this season least of all the 70% requirement to referee finals) and then you have the rest with one or four below them who may have some form of promise. Other than that they are all domestic level referee's. Add that BSA will help service MTG games and the pool is very thin. And I am not sure who is going to coach them or watch them carefully as there is no one to do that. Gee during the COVID season they stopped doing video clips because people couldn't take feedback.

NBL1 Central is in for a world of pain.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this month

BSA don't have the referees because BSA has failed to train and keep them. 1000s have started and nearly all have quit for one reason or another. Those that are left are not developed or trained.

The players and clubs suffer because BSA once again fail in their duty to the game.

And no one is held responsible and nothing changes. Just keeps getting worse.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this month

Doesn't help when the head referee development job keeps getting handed from mate to mate.

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Real time  
Earlier this month

Zero ref recruiting plan
Zero ref retention plan
Zero development that considers the game & its needs

It's much easier to blame Covid right

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Under a Rock  
Earlier this month

BSA have a lot to answer for in regards to their officiating program, but that's not the only reason it's in such bad shape. Friday night I saw an u12 coach walk up to a referee, who couldn't have been more than 13/14 yo, and get right in the kids face and say "you were real shit tonight"
This type of situation is a big factor kids walk away as well.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this month

BSA shouldn't allow it to happen. They've let down many referees regarding reports and behaviour issues.

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Anon  
Earlier this month

Replace the court supervisors who rather than socialising support the refs, diffuse situations with coaches and tell the parents to shut up.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this month

Yes because there's a line of people wanting to be a Court Supervisor

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Anonymous  
Earlier this month

Honestly you lot are part of the referee problem. Unless the culture in South Australia changes and coaches start to WORK WITH referees and not think it's their god given right to yell at them, the standard of refereeing will not get better. Look in the mirror first then if a CHILD is getting yelled at maybe JUST MAYBE stand up for them?? I don’t care who you are, just help the child. They’re on their own, because half the time the supervisor also has to ref or they’re useless. Wake up and speak up if someone around you is being abusive. Work together for the betterment of basketball for goodness sakes

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Anonymous  
Earlier this month

Didn't realise this was the refs power rankings thread.

Can’t see anything but Forestville top however who joins them will be interesting.

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Anon  
Earlier this month

Anon
How can coaches work with the young refs
Coaches are now allowed to talk to junior refs or they get a tech foul
The problem is with the umpire bosses creating divide and discouraging positive communication

The league has a duty of care to provide a senior umpire with trainees

If they don't have enough officials then guess what

Schedule less games!!!!!!!
But no

They are greedy

Evidence by the refs also getting paid low even though participating costs have increased

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Anny  
Earlier this month

Until BSA pays their referees more than 14 dollars an hour then the standard will remain below par

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Anonymous  
Earlier this month

The sport in SA will continue to impload and slowly die unless BSA is cleaned out again, but this time staffed with people that have basketball admin experience, paid enough and a budget that is designed to grow the game.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this month

BSA is a generational little boys club that will never change, lurching from one disaster to another with zero accountability, hiding behind their surnames.
That's why the game in SA is a mess and people continue to walk away en masse.
Sad and unfortunate, because basketball is a great game, with unlimited potential to grow in this state, but it’s the truth.
Time to get some proper basketball people over here from Victoria to take control of BSA management and HP & get rid of the incompetent circus that is running it at the moment.
Too many people out there saying the same thing, everyones fees are paying their wages and they deliver nothing in return.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this month

Starts at the top. Board have done nothing. CEO doesn't even know a thing about basketball. That boys club can do what they like as no one above them understands how bad they are.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this month

Elite successful organisations- don't get the best available, get the best.
BSA-don’t get the best available, get your mates.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this month

BSA...why would I go to the market when I can give the job to a mate that isn't qualified. That just sounds silly lol

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Anonymous  
Earlier this month

Going to the market isn't the solution either. They need to headhunt the right people to fix their problems. Biggest issue, they don't think ther are any problems.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this month

Can people please start a thread about referees and how shit bsa is, all of recent comments have nothing to do with original post. Can understand the complaints but choose another post like bodysuits etc.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this month

How surprising a Hoops thread went off topic. So unusal.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this month

Who saw the team announcement pics for SA Metro?

I thought SA country ones were funny with Petty in there. I mean get someone of note there that actually played for SA Country or actually done something of note.

Then metro shows theirs. I mean seriously guys do not put some admin guy in the kid's state jersey presentation. Get a player or coach that is relevent to these kids achieving this acolade. At least Petty coaches NBL1. Another BSA clueless act without an regard for the actual athletes they're supposed to service. We want our state programs to mean something and BSA dish up this rubbish all the time. We will see what this funny business reaps now tournaments are back on.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this month

Scott Butler? If you think he's some admin guy you clearly know nothing about junior basketball.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this month

Keep circle [email protected]&$ing the basketball public do not care and these athletes definately do not. Make it meaningful for them and reap the benefits for the game.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this month

You mean Scott who is Pettys boss & has been on an Olympic staff?

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Anonymous  
Earlier this month

536 congrats

You just posted the dumbest thing ever on Hoops, and that's really saying something.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this month

Wow your kid made an SA team - who were your expecting? The Prime Minister?

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Anonymous  
Last week

I'm a Woodville fan and if Whitmore doesn’t get his team to finals then he’s definitely useless!

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