LV
Last month

Olivia Simmons allegations

What's this all about?

For Isaac's sake, don't discuss the truth or otherwise of allegations, just how this might impact Ben or what might happen moving forward.

The Melbourne-based sister of Aussie basketball sensation Ben Simmons has made shocking claims that she was abused by their half-brother, Sean Tribe.

Olivia Simmons, a mother and basketball coach, detailed her ordeal as a child, saying Tribe, who is also Simmons' manager, molested her from a young age.

Tribe released a statement on Saturday night, which was said to be on behalf of the Simmons family, denying Olivia’s claims and alleging she had been battling mental illness issues.

The Herald Sun is not suggesting the allegations are true, only that they have been made.

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Lovebroker  
Last month

If true why did she not tell Ben when it became clear that Tribe would be an integral part of Ben's life.

Why did she wait so long?

Why didn't she tell Mum and Dad?

These allegations sound pure fiction.

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Anonymous  
Last month

ME is going to have a field day with this one.

Sorry Lovebroker, those options you think she should have taken doesnt mean her allegations are false.

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Luuuc  
Last month

For Isaac's sake, don't discuss the truth or otherwise of allegations

Nice try. It worked for all of .. zero posts.
It's a big ask though. I mean with all these facts we have, it's hard to resist posting our verdicts.

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Isaac  
Last month

The response from Tribe/etc:

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LV  
Last month

No one has been charged with anything here, so it's a different situation to other current events. I'm not sure exactly what Isaac's risks are. I meant, just use common sense and don't post anything potentially defamatory.

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LV  
Last month

Tricky situation for Ben to navigate though, given he's reportedly quite close to her and obviously also close with his half brother and manager.

I wonder if the US media will give this any air.

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Perthworld  
Last month

A known drama queen with her latest desperate attempt for part of her brother's fortune.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Whether this is true or not, Lovebroker your post above is exactly why so many women do not report abuse. Disgusting.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Truth is no one knows except for the family,

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Isaac  
Last month

given he's reportedly quite close to her
I imagine it's a complicated situation. He blocked her on Twitter at one point after she made a string of pointed posts in his direction.

On the topic, I can't see how they resolve this. She's asked for support. They've indicated they provide support, but it's contingent on her upholding her side (presumably consistent appointments/medication). The article doesn't mention police or any investigation, so if either party is adamant of their position, how is there likely to be any resolution?
"I've been asking for therapy but my family would rather sweep it under the rug because it could damage my brothers brand. I'm over hiding."
Would therapy in this situation realistically involve the alleged abuser, the mother she implies was made aware, or would it generally be between the individual and their therapist? I would've thought a therapist would ascertain possibility of involving the mother but otherwise proceed one-on-one with the patient?

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Anonymous  
Last month

Olivia has now said that statement did not come from the Simmons family. She asked her father why he made the statement but he said he didnt. Seem like Tribe is using the Simmons name to make his denial seem more legit.

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Anonymous  
Last month

You got some pretty twisted priorities LV. Creek gets charged and stood down, you worry about how it might impact your all Melbourne GF. Simmons' sister make some serious accusations about a family member and you worry about the impact on Ben.

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Perth fan.  
Last month

It does not matter how this impacts Men.
It does matter how this affects Olivia.

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Isaac  
Last month

Olivia has now said that statement did not come from the Simmons family. She asked her father why he made the statement but he said he didnt.
Possible that the statement was from Tribe/Simmons/other-sister who work with/around him? If her interest is in financing therapy, that could make sense if they've collectively financed it in the past. If her interest is in coordinating other parties in therapy, I assume her mother would be the option. If she wanted justice, then is there something besides police/law that is going to help with that?

It's certainly possible that the mix of everything confuses the issue and her decisions. e.g., feeling like family don't believe her, or believe her but don't want to rock a boat, etc.

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rjd  
Last month

"You got some pretty twisted priorities LV. Creek gets charged and stood down, you worry about how it might impact your all Melbourne GF. Simmons' sister make some serious accusations about a family member and you worry about the impact on Ben."

How dare he discuss the impact that these controversial events have on basketball on a basketball forum, nested under the "NBA" topic! Outrageously on-topic!

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Let the Truth Speak  
Last month

Sean Tribe is an abuser. Anyone who has spent any time around the family understands the truth in these allegations.

Go Liv. Speak your truth.

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Scout  
Last month

'Why did she wait so long?'

Do you know the average time it takes someone to report sexual abuse (and there are reasons including facing responses such as on here)??

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Anonymous  
Last month

Exactly right Scout.
Lovebroker you are a horrible human being.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Lovebroker...you need to education yourself, son.

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Anonymous  
Last month

NOt sure whats going on here but the whole of the family said it didn't occur.

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ME  
Last month

It's interesting how the Herald Sun notes consistently in the article "Herald Sun is not saying these accusations are true". While the presumption of innocence is meant to be a given, it is usually not stated quite so demonstrably in the media the way it has been in this case.

The articles even, conveniently, note her bipolar. Anyone who has followed her on Twitter for any amount of time knows that saying crazy stuff is basically how she breathes, which draws more question over her allegations. This looks like another moronic comment on the back of a lifetime of publicly making moronic comments.

"Olivia has now said that statement did not come from the Simmons family. She asked her father why he made the statement but he said he didnt. Seem like Tribe is using the Simmons name to make his denial seem more legit."

To start with, TRIBE IS the Simmons family. Olivia saying that her dad said something is no more valid at this point than Tribe saying the family made a statement. Tribe remains Simmons manager. I'd say the family is probably sticking by him. You have to remember, if anything legal to head on this situation, TRIBE making a false statement to encompass the family would be used against him.

"It does not matter how this impacts Men.
It does matter how this affects Olivia."

Let's just throw the presumption of innocence right out the window, shall we? Look, we all know these things happen. But when taking a case on, you have to look at everyone's credibility. Olivia's credibility is absolutely shot. She sounds unhinged almost every waking moment of her life. She has the ultimate bee in her bonnet. Why would we not approach her claims with healthy scepticism?

"A known drama queen with her latest desperate attempt for part of her brother's fortune."

This is the most likely scenario but then again it might not be as straight forward as this when taking bipolar into account. Someone who is unmedicated and who has bipolar can do some things that seem to have no rhyme or reason to them. She might even believe the events happened.

And then, of course, maybe they did happen? It might even be the answer to why she is the way she is. None of us were there so we can't say with any certainty what happened. We can only say that a person who is unhinged and who has said crazy things before, and who has a condition, is making a very, very serious claim. She's not taking that claim to the police and it's not being investigated through proper channels so I think we can treat the claim with scepticism until it goes in a serious direction. Anyone can say anything about anyone after all...

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Anonymous  
Last month

"She sounds unhinged almost every waking moment of her life. She has the ultimate bee in her bonnet. Why would we not approach her claims with healthy scepticism?"

Just because you've decided other things she has said are wrong, doesn't mean everyone else does.

If we're talking about credibility, shall we talk about some of the batshit crazy things you believe in?

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ME  
Last month

Yawn. Clearly you've never watched her videos. And as I said, even if what she says is crazy, doesn't mean this isn't true. Clearly you've only glazed over my comment and decided to reply without even bothering to read what I said.

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Anonymous  
Last month

I read what your entire post and the part that jumped out at me was that you think she her allegations should be met with healthy skepticism. I'm wondering if you are happy to apply that measure equally to others because I'm sure you have repeated a whole bunch of stuff in recent months that was widely disproven, and ultimately admitted to have been false.

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Anonymous  
Last month

I suppose the allegations against Christian Porter should be automatically be thrown out be cause she had mental health problems, or your term "bat shit crazy".
Fucking Moron!!!

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ME  
Last month

"I'm sure you have repeated a whole bunch of stuff in recent months that was widely disproven, and ultimately admitted to have been false."

Such as?

"I suppose the allegations against Christian Porter should be automatically be thrown out be cause she had mental health problems, or your term "bat shit crazy".
Fucking Moron!!!"


You'd have to be the only person on earth who'd read the comment I made and think that I said the allegations should be "automatically thrown out". But then again, anyone who thinks Liv has been saying logical things for the past many years is without question, to use your verbage, a "fucking moron".

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Isaac  
Last month

I suppose the allegations against Christian Porter should be automatically be thrown out be cause she had mental health problems, or your term "bat shit crazy".
Fucking Moron!!!
Please try to at least argue a point in a reasonable manner. This jump-to-extremes at the drop of a hat is unnecessary.

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Jack Toft  
Last month

It could have an impact on Ben as having "static" like this in the background can interrupt his thought processes.

Sean Tribe was born 1986 and Olivia Simmons 1991, Ben in 1996.

She claims the abuse started when she was young (pre puberty?) and I suspect that Ben being 5 years younger would be oblivious to anything as stuff growing up so it probably is a shock.

In terms of the connection between abuse and mental health issues, there is quite a link to abuse forming mental health issues after abuse and so to raise that may actually confirm abuse has occurred. Lots of Q's in relation to when her mental health issues presented, which is common in puberty, or if there is a bit of dope smoking (strong link to schizophrenia)

I don't think the post is about whether the allegations are true or false, but what effect they will have on Ben.
She is the big sister, so if the relationship between him and her was good, I would say it would affect him a lot. In terms of the media, if the media carryon about it, then it would have the same affect.
I would not be surprised if his performance dropped off a little bit due to the static

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Anonymous  
Last month

"I'm sure you have repeated a whole bunch of stuff in recent months that was widely disproven, and ultimately admitted to have been false."

Such as?

US Election fraud...

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Anonymous  
Last month

or if there is a bit of dope smoking (strong link to schizophrenia)


Where did this come from?

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LoveBroker  
Last month

Whether this is true or not, Lovebroker your post above is exactly why so many women do not report abuse. Disgusting.


I was really hoping someone would say this. Thank you.

I don't dismiss claims of such heinous acts off the bat, but when they are accompanied by other factors like the ones listed below, one loses credibility and their actions just don't pass the reasonableness test.

1) She has a history of social media posts that are considered a bit extreme and not within the normal band of reason. Take Ben's casino episode for example.

2) She has a long history of mental health issues.

3) Her own family have denied it ever happened, in fact continue to stand behind the accused.

4) Why didn't she come out with this earlier? She has full control over running her mouth on Social media, why not go all in?

5) Now that she has come out on social media, why hasn't a police investigation been initiated? People LOVE to lean on the 'stigma' as a reason for not coming out. Well she's embraced 'the stigma' whoeheartedly, but despite having the 'shame' she didn't go for the benefit of the police report. Why?

Even her own family have used the word, fabricated.

Let me just say that none of the above I have listed 100% mean the claims made are false, these are serious claims and should be taken seriously by undertaking the due process......except....oooops.....no due process has been initiated.

These crimes are particularly heinous and I want anyone found guilty to be punished to the full extent of the law. But when one is falsely accused with no evidence, no backing whatsoever, there should be a corresponding punishment for people who aim to damage innocent parties' reputation.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Thank you for reinforcing what has already been said about you Lovebroker.


Take your misogynistic BS elsewhere.

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LV  
Last month

[But when one is falsely accused with no evidence, no backing whatsoever, there should be a corresponding punishment for people who aim to damage innocent parties' reputation.]

Well see, this is the interesting thing about all of this, isn't it?

Who is the "innocent party" you speak of- Sean Tribe. I don't know much about this guy but I'm assuming his main role in life is Ben Simmons manager?

But here's the thing. Who cares about Sean Tribe? By extension, bringing this into the public sphere will damage Ben Simmons- who's allegedly close to Olivia.

I guess I'm asking, if this is false, or maliciously false in order to damage a reputation as you allege, what's the point? What is Olivia's end game?

It sort of makes more sense that she genuinely believes it and wants to convince Ben of this too. Thus hurting Sean by hurting the Ben-Sean relationship.

Who knows what's true. But the way this is playing out is interesting.

I'd like to hear from other members of the family. Like Ben, and his Dad. So far we have social media allegations, and a response from the accused. But no one else has spoken directly.

If Ben Simmons in fact believes this is all false, then he may just be (behind the scenes) ensuring Olivia gets the help she needs. That may be happening. We just don't know. But if Ben's genuinely unsure, this will be playing on his mind no doubt.

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Cram  
Last month

LoveBroker, literally nothing you said provides any insight whatsoever on the validity of Olivia's claim and, as has been noted by others, just plays into the usual "she cray" way of writing off allegations forever.

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ME  
Last month

"US Election fraud..."

Okay, try again. I literally never said the election was a flat out fraud. I think at absolute most I asked questions. I never said 'the US election is a fraud' so how you can make the statement I was making outrageous claims when I never actually made a claim of any kind is beyond me. Pretty big difference between asking questions and acquiring data than flat out making a statement. But I wouldn't expect you to be across and nuance of any kind. You're clearly one of those black or white thinkers who knows nothing about nothing, as evidenced by everything you've said on this thread, and the assumptions you've absolutely catapulted yourself into.


"Thank you for reinforcing what has already been said about you Lovebroker.


Take your misogynistic BS elsewhere"

I love comments like this. They never engage with the points made, they just name call, act completely shocked that anyone could have a different view to them, and try to take the moral high ground.

Simply contemplating whether someone with a mental health issue, could maybe not be recollecting things accurately is now "misogynistic BS".

I really hope the anonymous who is out there saying all this doesn't get wrongly accused of anything, because he'd be walking in the police station giving himself for an imagined crime. Anything else, of course, would be "misogynistic Bs"

"I guess I'm asking, if this is false, or maliciously false in order to damage a reputation as you allege, what's the point? What is Olivia's end game?"

We don't need to know her end game. She has a mental illness. There doesn't need to be a coherent end game that makes sense to anyone else.

"I'd like to hear from other members of the family. Like Ben, and his Dad. So far we have social media allegations, and a response from the accused. But no one else has spoken directly."

I highly doubt they will. They're going to want this issue to go away as quickly as possible I suspect. I would take the statement that was released as a reflection of the thoughts of the family. Why? Because if they're not, that statement can and will be used against him in a court of law. He likely was under a lawyer's directive to make that statement.

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LoveBroker  
Last month

Thank you for reinforcing what has already been said about you Lovebroker.

Take your misogynistic BS elsewhere.


I have questioned the statement / actions of one woman.

Does that equate to attacking the entire gender?

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LoveBroker  
Last month

LoveBroker, literally nothing you said provides any insight whatsoever on the validity of Olivia's claim and, as has been noted by others, just plays into the usual "she cray" way of writing off allegations forever.

I don't have the facts of the case.
I have what I can see visually from here that runs counter to logic. Eg since she has made it public, why hasn't she pursued for justice by reporting this to police?

Shouldn't bringing the perpetrator to 12 of his peers be at the forefront of a reasonable person?

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Anonymous  
Last month

I don't have the facts of the case.


I'm guessing no one here does.
Which makes it kinda pointless for people to present their verdicts.
I'm not sure what compels people to do this, or what they hope to achieve.

I get that the topic is of interest here since it involves Ben, but even the original article is pretty much stopping at "Here's what someone tweeted. We're not commenting"

Mental illness might make someone's abuse allegations less credible. Mental illness might also be the result of being abused.

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ME  
Last month

Who knows how it effects Ben. They're probably not going to let it overly effect his brand as it has little to directly do with him. I imagine the story will die out unless there are court proceedings and if there are, Ben will be wise to excuse himself from making much of a comment on it.

It would obviously have to weigh on him mentally and his personal life though. That's unavoidable. One sibling is making an extremely serious accusation about another. It's potentially family-destroying stuff going on here. Even if the claim is true, the family may want to suppress it given the kind of damage it could yet do.

But the validity of her claim cannot be properly assessed until if, and when, the police get involved. I stand by everything I have said on her character and how things look to me. But it isn't up to anyone here to investigate it and make any verdict. I have said before, and so Anonymous can read it for the third time, I'll say it again - HER CLAIM MIGHT BE TRUE.

Either way Ben's family situation is a mess right now.

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Anonymous  
Last month

"I only asked questions" about an absolute batshit crazy conspiracy theory that the main prosecution has recently admitted that no reasonable person would believe, is not the defence that you think it is.

You'd have to mental issues of your own to not understand that the US Election fraud was a giant myth from day one.

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GMR  
Last month

ME and LoveBroker, I'm not sure whether to feel sorry for you or to feel angry at your lack of understanding.

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Isaac  
Last month

If the timeline was Olivia as a 3-8yo and Ben is 5 years younger, these events run from before his birth until he was all of three years old. Doubt he should respond to this publicly.

His actions are going to be guided by the words of his sister, mother and half-brother. I'd guess he's heard everything there is to hear from all three, unless someone changes their position. I assume few would be in a better position to assess the sister's allegations in the context of her mental illness than the family coming up alongside it over the years.

I don't recall the original article having it, but re-reading later, it mentions something about flashbacks starting in 2016. It's not clear whether the memories of incidents start then or just flashbacks.

Given the lack of information or formal investigation, it's all a pretty fruitless topic to discuss when it comes to anything but the bit that pertains to Hoops - how it might impact Ben Simmons, etc.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Annnnnnnd her account is gone!

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Perthworld  
Last month

Finally.

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