About 5-6 years ago I was umpiring a Div3 mens games. One player we had trouble with from South Coast got a Tech foul. He walked straight up to me and SPAT in my face. Then he walked to the score table and tore up the score sheet. the other umpire and I reported him.
Got to the Tribunal and after 45mins the player walked out a free man, able to play the next week.

That is nothing short of being F*#ked up the A#se. That player from every game on had the biggest grin on his face when he saw me.

Why are we getting jnr umprires to wear these greens tops and having codes of conduct, if at the end of the day the tribunal will not back us up.

I have already informed the powers that be. And still nothing has been done. So what else is to be done??

Nothing.... Just won't referee again.

If the powers that be can't support your decision then why are we having these Code's of Conduct that not even BASA will support.

"i would put it writing to the appropriate authority"

"The proper report sheet was correctly filled out..."

Next please.

Sorry but I don't see the answer being a Zero Tolerance Policy.
We are training a whole group of Referees (green shirts) who will not have the capacity to communicate with players or coaches. What happens when they no longer have the 'safety' of the green shirt?
Yeah I'm sick of seeing refs cop all this abuse but surely part of all referee training should include how to communicate with players and coaches appropriately.

what do you want to have happened ?

by the sounds of it you don't want this guy to ever to ever coach again .

i understand that this sort of behaviour is not acceptable and should be stamped out and that without the refs there is no game but at the end of the day we go to watch the players play , not the refs ref.

of the incidents that i have witnessed the refs in some instances have been just as much to blame as the coaches and players themselves....if a coach or player has a go ignore them.....write a report if you must and let the correct processes take their course....if your in the right then the correct punishment will be metred out....don't come on to this site and winge about a lack of progress on your particular case

i hate you damn Coach bashers....get a thicker skin....just as players and coaches have to face their mistakes so should refs be accountable

it wasn't that bloke that coaches that black and orange team ???

Until we get a few more people running tribunals that don't turn up just wanting the money and wanting to go home ASAP, we will have the standard pointless cycle.

Officals report some one, the tribunal does nothing or almost nothing so the official decides that reporting someone isn't worth it so they just don't bother reporting anyone anymore.

A good example would be the player who got a measly six month supsension for intensionally running through a referee. Especially considering the minimum penalty specified for this type of offence is 5yrs.

So in answer to your question NO there is no point in reporting a player, coach, spectator etc (unless they a referee aswell)because it is just a waste of your time and effort.

Reporting people requires all parties to attend tribunal in their own time. Do all reorting instances require attendance? Can some penalties be given if both umpires acknowledge the incident and support each other?

As a player, I know how frustrating it can be when you obviously see things differently than the ref(s). As a player, I also see more and more players, coaches and spectators becoming more and more vocal and intimidating towards any ref, junior or senior. I'd like to see the appropriate management implement a head umpire for each stadium on game night (i'm sure they already have one)who is there from start to finish, and continuously walks from court to court. This should enable monitoring and possibly assist the development and training of all umpires by understanding what they encounter and guiding them towards better communication on court with players.

Almost like having a 3rd umpire. They can't make the calls, but if they were there to coach their refs at the half or even time outs, it could eventuate to a more accepted level of umpiring.

I'm sure the AFL has a similar type of senario at AFL matches. correct me if I'm wrong.

If I know who they are, I have on occasion sat and discussed the game as both player and ref with them and have also expressed any issues or concerns to assist with development of refs, especially the junior refs. I know this is now going away from the initial post, but I feel part of the main resentment towards refs, is in relation to the ability of the ref to handle the criticism from players/coaches/spectators and how they react and respond on to the players etc. Obviously the refs don't want to be nagged or bothered between games, but if you approach them as if they are people, they usually respond accordingly, and who knows, maybe it will work in your favour...

On the other hand, maybe the coaches/spectators need to be sanctioned internally by their relevant club at the request of BASA even for alleged incidents.

Yes, I can be a turd on court just the same as the next guy, but I'm sure if any refs or players know who I am, they will vouch that I am not their biggest enemy and approach them with courtesy at appropriate times.

Just my 2 cents worth. Again...

Just a quick question but what would a player say if when they missed a shot or passed the ball to the wrong team or choked a dunk, the referee then abused them or put them down?

A question back at you Wateva is in what way is an umpire affected if the player passes the ball to the wrong team or chokes a dunk.

In comparison, a player/team/coach are affected when an umpire allows an opposition player to take a players legs out with no call, or allow an otherwise fair game to escalate to the point of a brawl because of the amount of fouls they let go.

I'm not saying that umpires should be abused but good refs know that a bit of back chat/questioning of calls is a part of a game.

Most of the problems with umpires are caused at an administrative level and are not the fault of the individual umpire. Ie rookie umpire thrown in the deep end.

The bad refs (and this is my argument against zero tolerance) will miss a call where a player gets smashed in the face and then dish out a tech when the coach asks why a foul wasn't called when his player is being subbed off for the blood rule!! Extreme example, I know but you get my drift.

Rabid, yes it was that coach from the black and orange team.

All i ask is for a fair system, a system that if it says one thing, will do it.

i understand that referee's are frustrating, but if a report is made then it MUST be followed up within due course. Not left and forgotten about

Less than $20...

It doesn't matter if they get paid or not, they are on the committee or make themselves available for tribunal's. If a report is made then it should be followed up.

I think that if you went and asked alot of referee's they would the same thing as alot of other people here and agree that there is no use for reporting player/coaches.

No need to have a system that at the end of the day, the people who create the rules will not help to inforce them