Senator11
Last month

Bryce Cotton out for regular season

Only 3 games left, has a haematoma in his quad.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Bet you it was that decal slip against the bullets

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Senator11  
Last month

Nah that was his groin injury, to get a haematoma you kind of need to be hit pretty hard in that spot, so he must've copped a bad corkie in the last few weeks.

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koberulz  
Last month

Well the rest of the season just got boring. Melbourne have qualified for the grand final already, Perth and the Phoenix will play in the other semi, nothing else matters.

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koberulz  
Last month

Hodgson kept sticking his knee out on screens in that game.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Considering what the injury is I'd say it has more to do with a couple of screens he got from the Brisbane bigs.

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Senator11  
Last month

Yeah, those knees prob did it over multiple occasions. I'd say he's good to go, but they'd be taking every precaution to have him 110% for finals and are backing themselves to be able to take a United home game if they get in.

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Anonymous  
Last month

So maybe dropping a knee into the map should be a foul??

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Anonymous  
Last month

It could open up kings for a chance of 4th spot. They probably still can't win there but it helps with him out, Ware might not try play hero ball so much.

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Anon  
Last month

I'm pretty sure he copped a cork in one of the Tassie games vs NZ

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Anonymous  
Last month

Sad news.

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Zodiac  
Last month

Bad corkies can linger so there is a chance this could effect Perth's playoff run. Better to forego chasing United for top spot and sit him out for the last three rounds whilst crossing their fingers he will be okay come the start of the playoffs.

If as expected they end up playing SEM in the Semi's that could be a very interesting series.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Estimating recovery for this procedure is 1-4 weeks, and the fact he played well against Cairns on the Friday shows that he wasn't too impacted during the game. Here's hoping its at the lower end of potential severity.

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Anonymous  
Last month

As well as being the mvp, he's also a tough rooster. Mooney probably gets mvp for this season now and deservedly.

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Anonymous  
Last month

I don't think missing four games takes him out of mvp contention

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Perthworld  
Last month

Cotton needed a rest anyway so it's good to see him put on ice before the playoffs.

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Senator11  
Last month

He actually had surgery for it, hopefully no complications. :/

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Anonymous  
Last month

Hows that 3 peat looking now?

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Perthworld  
Last month

It feels good to be on a hat trick.

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Anonymous  
Last month

^ doubt it does

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Anonymous  
Last month

Maybe the wildcats will need a * when they miss out on the 3 peat. * No Cotton. "Oh but if we had Cotton we would have won."

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Perthworld  
Last month

Win or lose it's good to know each season the anons will award us with a *.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Maybe a *PC. Pre Covid and Post Cotton.

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Senator11  
Last month

Ooof, article this morning said they won't risk Cotton's health and if he misses some of the playoffs then so be it, they'll try to win without him. Damn, I presume he'll miss a few games of the first series at the very least.

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Anonymous  
Last month

"Hows that 3 peat looking now?"

Are you happy that he's injured?

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Anonymous  
Last month

Certainly not but if it shuts up the stupid Perth supporters so be it.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Who do you support #562?

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Anonymous  
Last month

Be nice, it's not that hard.

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Anonymous  
Last month

The low gutter language feral posters here should be banned. I guess you've been to Centrelink today and got you paycheck. Who I support does it matter? The continuous dribble about 3 peats and how good were are is sickening. It's like a kindergarten here with the mentality of some 'fans'. Gutter level language only proves how dumb some people are here.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Celebrates an injury, complains about swearing. Yep, top bloke.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Unfotunately arseholes like you simply denegrate the forum here. He's injured. Move on.

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Anonymous  
Last month

No gutter language please.

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Senator11  
Last month

'The continuous dribble about 3 peats and how good were are is sickening.'

No different from the continuous, "cat's won't make finals this year", "cat's can't win without a 3rd import", "Cotton is being played too many minutes, they can't win come finals". The 'salt' is real...

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Anonymous  
Last month

The Wildcats have won five of the last seven titles. If the fans celebrating that is sickening to you, it says more about your insecurity than anything else.

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Anonymous  
Last month

It's like Collingwood in the AFL, everyone likes to see them lose. Perth are the Collingwood of the NBL. Everyone likes to see them lose

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Anonymous  
Last month

So how does them winning five titles in seven years make you feel?

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Senator11  
Last month

Yep, comparing a footy club who has recent controversy's such as racism, assault, rape, and paedophilia to a club that has probably been one of the most professional sporting clubs in Australia, if not the most. You should be angry at your own blubs for not at least trying to emulate this for your own success.

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Senator11  
Last month

*clubs, not blubs...

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Anonymous  
Last month

People have hated Collingwood since time began. It has nothing to do with any of their recent drama.

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Anonymous  
Last month

This sounds like a "you" problem. Good luck with getting through it.

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LoveBroker  
Last month

I don't think the Wildcats can get past full strength SEM without Cotton.

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Senator11  
Last month

Is every series a 5 game series? I can't even remember? If it's 5 then I like our chances better, Cotton maybe misses the first 2.

SEM are peaking as well...it's gonna be tough, if the Cats can snag one without him, that would be nice.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Semi's 3, GF 5.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Game 1 will be crucial. If you drop at home and then head to SEM it could be straight sets.

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Senator11  
Last month

Ah, yeah, that's definitely going to be tough with no Cotton. Norton will have to shutdown Sykes without getting into foul trouble. Mooney and Magnay will have to takeaway Creek's inside game and make him shoot long jumpers, they both should be too strong for Wetzel and Moore on the offensive end. Then i guess Blanchfield, Steindl and Wagstaff are going to have to be lights out from beyond the arc.

I can't see Cotton missing all 3 games, but then again an Eagles player missed 6 weeks a few years back with the same issue... :/

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koberulz  
Last month

I can't see Cotton missing all 3 games
If he misses the first two there won't be a third one.

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Anonymous  
Last month

That's it Coach Kobe has spoken

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Anonymous  
Last month

Never underestimate Gleeson ability to cover player loss, though Cotton would be a major loss.

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Perthworld  
Last month

Melbourne clubs having to play at a neutral location could level the playing field.

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LoveBroker  
Last month

Never underestimate Gleeson ability to cover player loss, though Cotton would be a major loss.


Perth Vs Adelaide SF, Game 2 at Perth, the year United won.

Cotton was on fire in the first quarter, then started getting cramps or something on the legs in the second and couldn't play any further.

Despite Perth having a good lead, Adelaide came back and swept Perth.

This is Perth without Cotton.



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Anonymous  
Last month

That was three seasons ago and Perth have made sure they've had better scorers around him since then.

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Anonymous  
Last month

He will be ready for the semi's

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koberulz  
Last month

Sounds like he's done for the year.

Congrats United.

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Senator11  
Last month

Either he's done for the season, or Trev is playing some major mind games right now.

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Bol  
Last month

I reckon SEM has got this over United.

Congrats Phoenix

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koberulz  
Last month

The thing I hate most is now LV gets his stupid all-Victorian grand final he's been crowing about.

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Anonymous  
Last month

His much maligned claim of $6.50 being a bargain for SEM is looking pretty smart now isn't it.

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koberulz  
Last month

No, because the intelligence of a proclamation can only be measured with respect to the information available at the time.

I'm basically done with this season. It was bad enough when there were only two decent teams, now that there's only one and we're sitting through endless clashes of wooden spoon teams it's just not worth the effort. Bleeding into the NBL1 and junior rep seasons is bad enough, but when there's not a competitive product on the floor...

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Perthworld  
Last month

NBL Cup has ruined everything. The $300K LK got from the Victorian government wasn't worth it.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Cotton runs into one unfortunately placed knee and the whole of Perth throws their toys out of the cot!

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Perthworld  
Last month

Yeah because it's not like anyone has been complaining how boring the NBL is over the last month.

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koberulz  
Last month

For me it's not so much that it's been boring - we looked to be in for a tight finish for top spot at the very least only a week ago - but the overlap with the winter seasons is just too much. Four games on Fridays, five games on Saturdays, and three games on Sundays is just burning me out. There hasn't been a single day off from the NBL in two or three weeks, and won't be for another couple of weeks yet.

The fact that most of the games meant nothing was just making it worse, and now that none of the games mean anything I can't summon any energy whatsoever.

The season should've been wrapped up a month ago, the Cup was a terrible idea.

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Anonymous  
Last month

"The $300K LK got from the Victorian government wasn't worth it." It sure was LK will always chase the cash and look what's happened now. Perth using the were are fatigued card.

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Anonymous  
Last month

$300K and someone other than Perth winning the title, most likely LK's team Melbourne, Id say LK would call that a success as would many non Perth fans.

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KET  
Last month

Haha "LK took my championship"

Re fatigue: That's what happens when you’re so isolated from the rest of society.

It also produces a bubble inducing self-centric delusions and wild Trumped up conspiracy theories that would make the GOP blush!

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Anonymous  
Last month

What?

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KET  
Last month

Perth's issue is more a lot of physical travel than playing so many games in so few days - there's really not much that can be done to get around that.

36ers did something similar at the start of the season, lots of games in few days, without the travel

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Anonymous  
Last month

All sides are playing lots of games in a few days, Sydney went nz and now on way to Perth. The nba play back to back sometimes. It's just an injury, it happens.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Is anyone blaming Perth's travel schedule for the injury?

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KET  
Last month

Agreed #772

#773 yeah

By the way if Cotton is out for finals, that would suck - we always want the best possible talent on the court for finals

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Anonymous  
Last month

Can you please highlight the posts blaming the travel schedule? I can't see anything even close to it.

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DennisRodmansHair  
Last month

Trevor Gleeson has come out and said (9 News Perth talking with Pav) he doesn't expect Bryce Cotton to return for the remainder of the season, including finals.....unless he makes some kind of miracle recovery.

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Anonymous  
Last month

To me the timeline of events is pretty clear. He copped a couple of corkies in the Brisbane game, he travelled home and played two nights later against Cairns (he played well too) and then the next day this bruising flared up but he was already ruled out of the Adelaide game and didn't travel. So I'm not sure how the travel schedule comes into it at all.

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Anonymous  
Last month

"Trevor Gleeson has come out and said (9 News Perth talking with Pav) he doesn't expect Bryce Cotton to return for the remainder of the season, including final"

And do you believe him?

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Anonymous  
Last month

It'll be the miracle recovery, he’s just getting every side off there guard.

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DennisRodmansHair  
Last month

I believe its a pretty serious injury, will just have to wait and see if there's enough time left for him to recovery and get back on the court. For everyone's sake I hope he does, at this point its really only a two horse race and I don't think Perth can beat Melbourne without Cotton.

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Perthworld  
Last month

By the way if Cotton is out for finals, that would suck - we always want the best possible talent on the court for finals

Some are revelling in the fact he may be ruled out altogether. The hate and jealousy is unbelievable.

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KET  
Last month

I don't think I’ve seen that from posters - 99% of us should want the NBL to be as strong and competitive as possible.

If I’m paying the amount they charge for tickets these days, I want to see the best players - I’d want to see my team beat a full side not an injured side.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Agreed. It was just one poster here who thought it was good to see Cotton miss the finals so it would shut the Perth fans up, but as an adult I don't judge an entire fanbase on the idiotic comments of one outlier.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Luke Kendal would be a good addition at this point? Ain't no cotton but it’s better than white

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Anonymous  
Last month

Thanks for posting Luke

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Anonymous  
Last month

I'd want cotton to play because that way they won't have an excuse for why a Melb team won

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Perthworld  
Last month

I think #856 meant Jeremy.

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D2.0  
Last month

At this point, it would be literally pointless to add anybody, as they can't qualify for the finals, so they'll go with the squad they have.

The NBL cup was a risk, and we got lucky. But I think that counting the games was always going to create a problem. It left Cairns, Adelaide, and even NZ, basically screwed. That's resulted in a lot of dead rubbers at the end of the season.

For mine, the finals just got interesting.

Granted, the blockbuster last game, with GF HCA on the line, just got fucked. But even so. Perth win that game, take top spot, and it was all over. Send the trophy to the engravers.

But this puts everything up for grabs.

I actually think an all Lilliputlian final would be great for the NBL. Keep in mind that the record crowd was at such a final, and it would be great to see that tested.

But it's not going to happen. I'd put money on that.

MU still has to get past Goorj. The guy who's won more finals than anybody else. (I think Vickers can do it, but its far from assured.)

And if you think that rube from the phoenix is going to outcoach Gleeson. No Cotton makes it harder, but as they say, defense wins finals.

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koberulz  
Last month

The Melbourne teams will sweep the semis.

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Anonymous  
Last month

"Still trying to process this injury and an even wilder year off the court. This whole season was dedicated to you from the very beginning so if I've played my last game this season, which I’m sure I have, I hope I made you proud. Rest In Peace lil bro and I’ll never stop striving. I promise"
Byrce on instsa

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Anonymous  
Last month

Luke Kendoll just celebrated his 40th birthday! I doubt his services will be required ;)

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LoveBroker  
Last month

Melbourne will win again because of a key injury.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Cats overplayed Cotton and poor recruiting they didn't have the depth in the guard position. Cottons age is creeping up so if they plan to rely on him again next year they definitely need more backcourt talent to support.

There are big potential guards in free agency this year - hopefully better recruiting this time.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Cottons age is creeping up

He's 28. He is entering his prime.

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Senator11  
Last month

The "Cats overplayed Cotton" line is actually BS. Cotton strives to be the best, aims for NBA and would be playing back 2 backs every week with 3-5 games per week if he was in fact at in the NBA and a starter.

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Isaac  
Last month

I think many underestimate Norton, but even alongside MVP-level Cotton, they were still a guard short. Who gets the bulk of the guard minutes now?

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Anonymous  
Last month

Steindl and Shervill

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LoveBroker  
Last month

The "Cats overplayed Cotton" line is actually BS. Cotton strives to be the best, aims for NBA and would be playing back 2 backs every week with 3-5 games per week if he was in fact at in the NBA and a starter.


This is nitpicking but he should not have been put back on against Cairns once they were leading by 20.

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Perthworld  
Last month

Melbourne will win again because of a key injury.

They're so lucky.

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Senator11  
Last month

"This is nitpicking but he should not have been put back on against Cairns once they were leading by 20."

This is true, but it happens fairly often, it sounds like the damage was done already though.

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Luuuc  
Last month

Yeah, an unrelated (much more temporary) bit of damage was done in that Cairns game. Trev didn't want to put him back in, but lost his nerve with how badly we were choking our lead away.

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Bol  
Last month

Not a good sign for the playoffs if they cant even hold off Cairns without cotton on the floor. I'd like to see corey sherville get more minutes now. He's done nothing wrong when given opportunities but trev seems to have lost confidence in him the second half of the season.

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D2.0  
Last month

"The Melbourne teams will sweep the semis"

I'll take that action.

Chances of them both making it are less than 50%, and chances of both sweeping are slim

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koberulz  
Last month

Chances of them both making it are less than 50%,
Last I checked, 100% was higher than 50%.

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LV  
Last month

All depends on Cotton's status

If SEM is healthy and Cotton is playing underdone, SEM will win the series IMO.

It's difficult to know how healthy a guy is just from watching though.

Even if Cotton is healthy and firing I expect a tight series.

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koberulz  
Last month

Cotton won't be playing at all. Keep up.

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Anonymous  
Last month

I will wait until the game day until I believe cotton is officially ruled out. I reckon we see him back on the practice court within the next two weeks.

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Anonymous  
Last month

DR Kobe has spoken. Let's hope he's right for once.

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KET  
Last month

"We'll keep the door open for him and hope he has a speedy recovery. But we're not planning on him joining us any time soon.

"At this stage we hope he's back. But being realistic, I don't think he'll be back for the first lot of finals.


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Anonymous  
Last month

Did you see the first bit of finals? I read into that that they expect to win that part of the series....

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D2.0  
Last month

From the limited information available, and my even more limited medical knowledge, it seems that originally they thought it was simply a matter of draining the haematoma, but when they did that they discovered more severe damage, maybe damaged blood vessels that required stitches or similar. Given its in his muscle, that basically means he can't strain it until it heals. I would think that would be at least a few weeks.

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Anonymous  
Last month

It would be amazing as well as unlikely that Gleeson could manufacture a championship without Cotton. You never know though.

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LV  
Last month

How disappointing for the NBL if Cotton misses the semi finals.

SEM will sweep them.

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LV  
Last month

Who knows what will happen though, SEM have been smashed by injuries all season and United have had plenty, so any more injuries there and it'll go some way towards evening the ledger

Although I do think Cotton is the true MVP- in the sense he's more important to Perth than any other player is to their team.

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Anonymous  
Last month

What's the German word for schadenfreude?

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Anonymous  
Last month

Mooney would have to be close to mvp, how many double, doubles, over 20. Gleeson coach of the year. If your guards are Harvey and Cotton in nbl 1st five, and boy I never thought I'd say this, Blanchfield should be the three man ahead of everybody love child Sobey. Blanchfield has been nothing but fantastic at both ends.

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LV  
Last month

Without Sobey, Brisbane would be last

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Anonymous  
Last month

Wildcats without cotton will still beat SEM in a three game series.

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Anonymous  
Last month

They probably wouldn't beat Sydney without Ware but luckily for Perth he played.

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KET  
Last month

Although I do think Cotton is the true MVP- in the sense he's more important to Perth than any other player is to their team.


That's a whole can of worms - love seeing Shaq, Kenny, Charles debate it.

What should MVP be?

Most consistent best player on the floor?
Most consistent most talented player?
Most important to their team?
Does team success matter?
Is there a bias towards particular positions?

From a practical standpoint, if you have refs/umps doing their "3-2-1 best on court" each game, you will probably have a mix of those factors naturally represented.

Someone like Cotton you'd say yeah he's an MVP, but is he an MVP this year? Mooney might steal a whole swathe of votes from him. Could cost him.

On the other hand, when you're winning you know he's probably going to feature in most games in the tally.



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Anonymous  
Last month

My definition is "most valuable to their team's success" with success being a key factor. Guys like Brian Conklin and Rotnei Clarke winning when their team didn't experience success in the seasons they won is laughable.

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LV  
Last month

Bill Simmons has a really good discussion on this in The Book of Basketball

He lists 4 factors he considers when deciding MVP.



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KET  
Last month

"Do they play for Boston?"

What's the other 3

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D2.0  
Last month

It's called the MVP because BBall started in America, and that's what they call it.
If it had started in Australia, it would be called the "Best & Fairest" (even when won by dirty c_nts.)

It's given to the best player. Period
Notwithstanding that they often get it wrong, and when that happens hoops dickheads proclaim "it's 'Most Valuable' not 'Best", and then proceed to pontificate on their theories as to how it's different and how their favoured player is a deserving winner.

I honestly have not kept up, but I know the system has changed, and I think changed again??

At one point, it did seem to favour great players on crap teams.

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Perthworld  
Last month

The peak of which was Brian Wethers winning it while playing for the Hunter Pirates.

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Anonymous  
Last month

I.... Agree with Dazz. I need to lie down.

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Isaac  
Last month

What's the current MVP method? Still the ref votes? Sobey didn't have a huge amount of competition from teammates, and had a more than decent season other than ladder position.

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Zodiac  
Last month

That is why I've got Sobey winning the MVP.

Cotton had a bit of a down year this season anyway numerous games where he shot poorly plus Mooney would be taking more votes from him than in other years.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Refs have never voted, have they? I thought it was coaches handing out ten votes, but they changed that a couple of years back.

I believe now a panel of experts selects a top 20 and then the coach, asst coach and captain from each team votes from that top 20 with a 3-2-1 method. You'd be pretty ballsy to say sobey has played better than Cotton across the season.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Law was the one who had Brisbane firing, Sobey gets enough ball to win three games, yes Brisbane won't finish last but won’t play finals. Surely the mvp should be from a team that plays finals, if you star in a team but don’t win, then you might be better in an individual sport.

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FSTOS  
Last month

Cotton out and Cats still winning. Would they be doing the same without Mooney? And I think Cotton is one of the greatest nbl players ever. Mooney on the other hand is just so efficient in everything he does. Has he even had one poor game?

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koberulz  
Last month

What's the current MVP method? Still the ref votes?
It's never been ref votes.

Cotton out and Cats still winning.
They played Adelaide without Humphries or Giddey, and Sydney without Ware.

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Zodiac  
Last month

You'd be pretty ballsy to say sobey has played better than Cotton across the season.


Come again?

Cotton: 23.5p, 5.7a, 2.7r, 1.4s, 40.7% FG, 31.9% 3p

Sobey: 21.3p, 4.5a, 4.4r, 1.0s, 45.7% FG, 39.0% 3p

Sobey has clearly been the best player in the league this season what may work against him is the Bullets being a fringe playoff team. But Cotton has shot too poorly this season plus Mooney would've take too many votes off of him.

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Zodiac  
Last month

Has he even had one poor game?


He's had a couple but he's been very consistent all season.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Sobey has clearly been the best player in the league this season

Um. No.

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KET  
Last month

I don't think Cotton is MVP this particular season. But if he does win it, it won’t be outrageous.

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Zodiac  
Last month

Slightly outrageous. I can't see any possible way he could win it especially now missing the last 4 games of the season.

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Perthworld  
Last month

Give it to Mooney.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Mooney though I would not be unhappy with Cotton. Please not Sobey, he's not that great, he doesn’t help his team win games they should, the close ones when the real mvp stand up.

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Anonymous  
Last month

How does missing 10% of the regular season exclude someone from winning mvp?

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Anonymous  
Last month

plus Mooney would've take too many votes off of him.

missing the last 4 games of the season.

Are you still unaware of how the vote is awarded?

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LV  
Last month

Cotton will probably just win MVP despite missing the last few

How many games would he have 5 points (Max votes)? More than anyone else I'd think.

Mooney is a threat

So is Sobey, because he's been so far and away Brisbane's best. He'll get sympathy votes "oh we'd better give someone votes from the losing team"- 2 or 3 votes to Sobey in many of their losses, plus of course a fair few 4s and 5s in wins

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Anonymous  
Last month

That's not how the voting works...

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koberulz  
Last month

Above was me.

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KET  
Last month

Has anyone told us how it does work?

Is it the coaches vote that someone referenced?

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LV  
Last month

That's how it has worked- coaches votes from each game

I have vague memory it changed but can't find any reference to it? What's the new system?

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Anonymous  
Last month

The league's panel of experts come up with the list at the end of the season, then coaches (and I think captains) from each team vote on 3-2-1 basis. The first year they changed it, they weren't allowed to vote for players from their own team but not sure if that's the case.

Its no longer done on a game by game basis so "vote stealing" doesn't really come into it any more.

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Anonymous  
Last month

They played Adelaide without Humphries or Giddey, and Sydney without Ware.

Underrated comment!

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koberulz  
Last month

Yeah, it's an end of season vote now. It changed a couple of years ago.

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LV  
Last month

Got it- just found a reference online to this too

This new system makes it more likely Cotton wins Imo

Although if they keep winning the last few without him, it might swing the pendulum to Mooney

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Anonymous  
Last month

I doubt missing four games will make much of a difference. Although if they do win their remaining games, Gleeson should cement his spot as COTY.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Fail to see how a player missing 4? games can win an MVP it can't be that he is that far ahead surely.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Ahead of what?

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Zodiac  
Last month

I must admit I thought the MVP voting was still the old system of the coaches doing a 3,2,1 vote after each game that gets tallied up at the end of the season.

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koberulz  
Last month

That was never the system either.

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Anonymous  
Last month

I thought Adelaide were meant to have the most knowledgeable fans!

Even if it was a 3-2-1 system, Cotton and Mooney would get enough 3s and 2s between them to push Sobey out of the race.

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koberulz  
Last month

Previously: at the end of each game, coaches allocate ten votes to players from either team as they see fit (or only to their own team, if nobody tells Matt Neilsen what the rules are), with a maximum of five going to any one player.

Currently: media nominates a number of players, I think 20, at the end of the season (or a week or two earlier, because the awards night is immediately after the last game so the awards need to be decided in advance, so in a normally-scheduled year the votes would have been in before Cotton got hurt), and a coach and captain from each team votes 3-2-1.

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Perthworld  
Last month

I thought Adelaide were meant to have the most knowledgeable fans!

Underrated comment.

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KET  
Last month

IMO do it the Brownlow way.

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Isaac  
Last month

Sorry, meant coach votes. Confused by Brownlow or whatever it is that uses refs. Didn't know they'd changed it to a panel though. I don't follow the league anywhere near as closely these days (kids, businesses, etc).

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Anonymous  
Last month

I think the best method is the Brownlow way, but both coaches give their 3-2-1 after each game to whoever they want. When you allow them to give their ten points without restriction, it leads to players on losing teams winning the award.

I don't think our refs are the best people to judge our awards.

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koberulz  
Last month

but both coaches give their 3-2-1 after each game to whoever they want. When you allow them to give their ten points without restriction, it leads to players on losing teams winning the award.
How often has that actually happened, though? And how often was it clearly a bad call? No system is perfect, if they screwed it up once or twice in 40 years that's a pretty decent system.

I'm confused by your suggestion that both coaches should be able to give their votes to whoever they want, in order to alleviate the problem of them not having restrictions.

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Anonymous  
Last month

It's been screwed up three times in the past decade, four if you count Lisch winning in a season that Cedric Jackson dominated. Ervin, Clarke and Conklin should never have won the awards in the seasons they did.

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Anonymous  
Last month

5 if you count Bogut

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koberulz  
Last month

Bogut won under the new system, not the old one.

Which goes to show that maybe the problem isn't the voting system, it's that fans simply don't value players the way other players and coaches do.

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Anonymous  
Last month

The year Bogut won is when they changed the voting method but I call shenanigans on that year because Cotton finished a somewhat distant third in MVP voting despite Perth, Melbourne and Sydney finishing on the same record, and Gleeson didnt even finishing top three in COTY. I reckon the reps from one club purposely didn't vote for any Perth nominee.

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Anonymous  
Last month

KR, I don't mind the old system, I just think it needed some tidying up.

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D2.0  
Last month

The problem with the old system was that it favoured great players on shit teams. Elbows at the Crocs, and Rotnei at the Hawks being recent examples.

Anybody who can't concede that Cotton is far and away the best player in the league, should seek counseling (or use more hemorrhoid cream.)

This a guy who's played the whole season against 8 coaches who have developed "Stop Cotton" plans, and has still out-performed everyone else.
Who has often spent the first half passing first, and still outscored everyone.

The only thing that counts against him is now missing the last 4 games.

But keep in mind that the current system does not inherently penalise him for that. He can still be given maximum votes.

The fact that commentators claimed Magnay guaranteed Perth the championship, and are now questioning whether they even make the GF, only reinforces the perception of Cotton.

And of course (to whatever extent such a thing exists) he'll get the "sympathy vote."

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Anonymous  
Last month

"The problem with the old system was that it favoured great players on shit teams."

If you look at MVP voting over the lifetime of that voting system, that simply isn't the case.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Well something changed in the past decade because it's gone to some undeserving winners based on their team performance, or the "vote stealing" has robbed some standout players of being rewarded.

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Anonymous  
Last month

In hindsight maybe, but if you use Clarke as an example, at the time they had a list of basketball journos give their season MVP at the end of the year and it was split across Clarke, Goulding and Ennis. Now some people try to pretend the game-by-game system resulted in Rotnei getting it.

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Anonymous  
Last month

It did result in Rotnei getting it. The top three predictions were spot on due to the voting system.

If the current system was in play, Ennis would have creamed them both.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Well no he wouldn't, because the unofficial MVP selections done at the end of the season that year were split across Clarke, Goulding and Ennis, with Goulding having the most.

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D2.0  
Last month

"Well no he wouldn't, because the unofficial MVP selections done at the end of the season"

ok, so your argument is that the system wasn't biased, precisely because everyone knew it was biased?
do you not see the problem with that argument?

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Anonymous  
Last month

That isn't the argument. The selections were who they thought was the MVP, NBA style, and they were split across three players because they all had incredible seasons.

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Anonymous  
Last month

unofficial MVP selections done at the end of the season

Who gave the unofficial selections?

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Anonymous  
Last month

Basketball media.

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