Anonymous
Years ago
https://www.news.com.au/sport/basketball/wnba-star-liz-cambage-rages-over-offensive-body-shaming/news-story/b481c68bc4a6c701225b1d3af81cf79b
People say things like this about Jawai all the time. I do not see him crying about it.
She managed to turn a coach upset at the refs into a feminist, racism - victim type thing. Prettt impressive.
Couldn't imagine Shaq, Barkley, Jawai, Jokic type players doing the same thing.
Especially when I'm sure Liz talks a bit of junk herself when she is on the court.
Where did she mention race? And when did an NBL coach last suggest Jawai was extremely overweight in a complaint to the refs?
I can't believe she turned herself into a victim just for being the... Um, what's the word... Oh yeah, victim of a pretty ordinary comment. How dare she!
Mentioned race here;
"I will never let a man disrespect me, ever, ever, ever, especially a little white one," Cambage said, adding later, "Don't ever try to disrespect me or another woman in the league."
"TNT make fat jokes about Barkley all the time"
You mean his mates make those comments?
If you think Jawai isn't sensitive to the comments people have made about him over the years then you haven't been paying attention.
Where did she mention race? And when did an NBL coach last suggest Jawai was extremely overweight in a complaint to the refs?
Well when she refers to the coach as a "tiny little white man" shes immediately made it about race.
On one hand she's right, her weight shouldn’t be mentioned , but it would be no different really than mentioning her height
But again she’s gained publicity with the “poor me” supporters brigade
What I’d like to know is
A/ why in earth is she trying to talk like she grew up n the ghetto streets of America
B/ what the hell was that thing she had on the side of her head lol
On one hand she's right, her weight shouldn't be mentione
/thread
Jack Toft
Years ago
It's always disappointing when people politicise things. If he said she needs to lose some weight, then I would expect he would have said it, based on my experience, to any player. I suspect that coach couldn't care two hoots about her sexuality, sex or race.
LV
Years ago
[Cambage admitted at the time she was "unfit" after “sitting on the bench and eating American food”.]
This is offensive to Americans
Cambage needs to miss a game for this and undergo a re-education course on racial sensitivities
"Cambage said she had no problem with trash talk between players on the court, but called Miller's comments "protected abuse because we can’t do nothing back. It’s just crazy to me.""
LV
Years ago
[Cambage needs to miss a game for this and undergo a re-education course on racial sensitivities]
That happened in 2011- doesn't matter, it's still offensive!
Quality point LV. Sounds like you're really across the nuanced issues that get raised here from time to time.
"It's always disappointing when people politicise things. If he said she needs to lose some weight, then I would expect he would have said it, based on my experience, to any player"
Firstly, she didn't "politicise" anything but if she did and it makes you uncomfortable that's on you. Secondly he was not suggesting she needed to lose weight based on any sort of professional capacity. He was making a fat joke while he was bitching to the ref. Is that your experience too? You call opposition players fat while coaching?
Johnno
Years ago
sad that there's such an uproar over this... calm down
Not a Liz fan but his comment was definitely inappropriate. However, as he said, these things can be said in the heat of the game. No one else would've made a big deal out of it though, yet here we are.
Gus3232
Years ago
So she's responded to a comment about her physical appearance with a comment about someone's physical appearance? The old two wrongs make a right theory? I am surprised it wasn't the classic "I know you are, but what am I!!" comeback.
Is anyone capable of being the better person anymore and making a point without an insult?
Coaches repeatedly tell coaches that players are heavier than other players...come on ref he is 120kgs that can't be a foul. Never heard a male player cause a stink
Do you reckon it's OK to suggest Liz is 140kgs?
It's facetious. It’s not intentionally derogatory like " hey Liz your 300lbs, lose some weight you fat ass!" He is suggesting to the ref that she is a big and that contact is irrelevant. Why do we have to be outraged at everything these days? I wonder what we will be offended by tomorrow?
When a female who no doubt has had body image issues her entire life gets loudly called out for being 70 pounds than what she is, I'm pretty sure she has a right to show some outrage and respond.
Why are you outraged about her reaction?
The coach himself admitted he was wrong and it was unacceptable.
The league has suspended him for his behaviour that they deemed unacceptable.
But hoops keyboard warriors want to throw blame in the opposite direction.
You all look like the same people that blamed Adam Goodes for calling out racist even though he said that she shouldn't be attacked, but rather educated.
"But hoops keyboard warriors want to throw blame in the opposite direction."
It seems a lot of people here are intimidated by a powerful WOC.
#670 because the coach is working the ref. It's not a personal attack. Fuck people are offended so badly second hand/hearsay. Shit every referee in the history of the game has the same gripe then from players, coaches and spectators! But hey that’s not a headline grabber
Of course it's a personal attack. He might not have meant it to be but the words he used to make a point against Liz were personal.
I'm not offended, I just don't have a problem that Liz was.
How can it be hearsay when the coach has admitted and apologised for what he said? Derr....
Because racists will never agree with what they think is wrong.
Even what everyone else around them admits it is.
The reality to the offended left is he is working the ref over the call. He isn't saying directly hey Liz you’re a fat bitch. I hope a referee goes to the media next time they are shamed on any level. How many times do we hear that ref is fat, he/she can’t/couldn’t pass a fitness test, they are a disgrace. People who are offended by this are pathetic. Coaches work refs all the time. Fatterson and Froling are getting their fat shaming tweets against the commentators ready as we speak.
The reality to the offended right is that the coach admitted his behaviour and language was out of line and he accepts it in fact puts women's sport backwards rather than forwards, in a sport and league he coaches in.
And therefore those offended right crybabies cant continue to behave as racists or bigots without being publicly called out and the capitalist market making the necessary corrections where the majority chose to not allow it through economic means.
No he got bitch slapped by a soft establishment. I just enjoyed bleacherreport keeping it real.
He isn't saying directly hey Liz you're a fat bitch
He said it indirectly, which is why he later apologise, and why he was punished by the league.
#713 but it's ok to call male players fat, overweight etc? Just asking for a friend.
Tell your friend that no one in this thread said it was OK to say that about male athletes so your friend just asked a pretty dumb question.
Then where is the outcry for and more importantly FROM the male athletes??? I'll just wait...
And just for context Lamar Patterson is also a POC. Just so everyone is aware that Liz isn't the only POC on the planet.
What's that got to do with anything? Liz was offended by the comment, and rightly so, so she said something. If a male player was equally offended by a similar comment then I wouldn't tell him to get over it either. Would you?
Why are YOU so offended by Cambage calling the coach out?
Because the coach is working a ref to get the next call! It's not a personal attack on Liz you tone deaf moron.
Don't just cherry pick parts of the previous posts to respond to or otherwise you'll never come close to understanding the issue.
"Because the coach is working a ref to get the next call! It's not a personal attack on Liz you tone deaf moron"
Holy shit, I can't believe someone just typed that with any sort of sincerity.
Just because someone is offended doesn't make them right.
Yeah sorry, it's only an issue for Liz. Never heard any other large player, male, female, white, POC..... let me know what you’re offended by tomorrow so I can giggle at that too
The round mound of rebound, the bread truck, the wide load from Leeds ... makes this look like kindergarten. Smfh
Context matters. That remark from the coach clearly wasn't intended to be derogatory - just an attempt to work the refs. Liz has the right to be offended, but that doesn't make the words offensive.
An apology is not necessarily an admission of guilt - more likely an attempt at self-preservation: avoiding being permanently labelled as a fat-shamer and/or sexist in a women's league.
Except he admitted it was wrong (guilt) and expressed that it was wrong because of the effect on the sport.
He got whacked by a socially reactive organisation in a climate where anything that generates clicks is offensive. The ridiculous nature of this outrage is totally what is wrong with the world. But hey...maintain the rage, BRAVO
It's the economic reality.
Either get with the program or live in the stone age.
koberulz
Years ago
Yeah, this just seems like a hyperbolic "she has a size advantage" comment, to me. Doesn't seem like it was disparaging at all.
If the coach had said, she's good enough to handle it, there wouldn't be a suspension now would there!
No leader of a professional team should spew negative comments towards a players appearance, sexuality, or culture to get favor. Leave that to the fans to get on a player. And to somehow think this is okay for a coach in a women's league struggling to get respect and legitimacy is laughable. The point is as a professional he should have said she has a size advantage instead of attaching an exorbitant number to her as to label her obese. We all know he was exaggerating to get a call but it’s the exaggeration that becomes offensive.
Just because you hate Liz doesn’t make what she says wrong. If you say something that hurts someone’s feelings it’s not up to you to decide whether or not they should be offended. She obviously didn’t like it so it was wrong as it was a personal attack. I bet there will be players on his own team that will no longer want to play for him.
I don't hate Liz. Her personal preference to always be the victim is annoying
She is always a victim. I look forward to what offends her next. Should only take about 5 days
The people on here using the "but the coach admited it was wrong and apoligised" or "WNBA fined the coach" to justify Cambage's reaction are the same people who believe everything the PM tells them about how he's the best person for the job, the LNP are the best econimic handlers, and that trans women have no advantage when playing women's sport.
They're naive and treat feelings as the truth. And in the process destorying everything for everyone else.
"who believe everything the PM tells them about how he's the best person for the job, the LNP are the best econimic handlers, and that trans women have no advantage when playing women's sport."
What the actual fuck??
Lemanis made a comment about Jawai's weight in his press conference the other day, but I think Nate will be smart enough to understand he is a very big dude and that's why Lemanis mentioned it.
D2.0
Years ago
What a crock of shit.
The coach didn't attack her, or shame her, in fact he wasn't even talking to her.
He was making the point to a ref that in determining the actual impact related to a foul call, due importance should be attached to the relative size of the players.
Yes, he used hyperbole, and he exaggerated, that's part of language. There's nothing to suggest he was trying to be offensive, but I can understand that she might have taken it that way.
taken in context, any sane person would conclude he was referencing her size and strength (issues relevant to a foul call.) Not calling her fat, which would not be relevant. But again I can understand that somebody who was sensitive about that subject could be offended. He apologised, and that should be it.
By contrast, she's the one that has set out to directly attack the coach. Using offensive language, belittling him, and referring to him as a "little white man." How the fuck is that acceptable.
Good news for Cambage is that when she's finished playing, she'll have a long and successful career as a professional whinger and victim.
I think D2.0 is a giant turd who whacks off on public transport.
I wasn't actually addressing him there so it's OK for me to say it.
Easy As
Years ago
Let me start by saying that I really really really hate Liz.
Having said that, she has every right to be offended by what the coach said. Just because he didn't say it directly to her, it doesn't lessen the fact that what he said was offensive. Irrespective of the coach not intending to offend, trying to make a point to the officials, there were far more appropriate ways he could have communicated it.
But in usual Liz fashion, she chose the wrong way to raise her concern. The reference to "a little white man" is equally as disparaging as the coaches comment, perhaps more so because she chose to bring race into it.
If you want people to take your point of view seriously, then you can't be offended by a comment and then go straight out and make an offensive comment.....
Luuuc
Years ago
It's the classic Liz M.O.
Take a valid complaint and voice it in such a way that you manage to come out of it looking worse even though you totally didn't need to.
It should also be noted for people who don't follow the WNBA that the coach in question is bit of a drama queen himself.
And as usual with Liz, I'm torn about the whole thing. As an instinctive fan of all aussies I'm partly proud of her, partly mega-cringing, but usually loving the general drama that surrounds her and always amused by how triggering it is to so many people in here and on social media.
Rain man
Years ago
She's gone way over the top. Seems like a non issue really. If she’s genuinely offended, then take it up with him, if he’s not willing to apologise and look at it from her side, then take it further. She’s the one who’s now taken personal attacks at him, not the other way around. She needs to realise she continues to act in a way that is completely hypocritical. How can you call somebody out for being offensive, when they didn’t make a direct comment at you, while being offensive and directly making statements at them.
So you're offended by what she said, but you think what the coach said in the first place is not an issue? I wonder if there is a reason why you judge the two people involved to different standards hmmmm....
It's all pathetic PC gone wrong. They (Coach and Liz) are as bad as each other.
She called him out on her own social media account that you don't have to look at.. He did it in her work place on National TV in front of thousands. That adds a bit of sting to it I think.9
Was it on tv though? If so surely there would be an audio or video clip of the incident but I haven't seen one. Not saying nothing was said but you can't claim in front of thousands if it didn't happen that way.
Obviously the game was on tv but were the 300 lb comments televised? I don't think so.
The coaches were not mic'd but referees were. That’s how the league was able up corroborate the complaint. The footage and audio will never see the light of day unless the league allows it.
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