The other night, Perth were dealing with the morale-lowering news of Cotton, illness and injury to Norton, and both Blanchfield and Travers were ill and required covid tests and isolation. Not sure what the scoreline will be but I don't see it being as close. Perth to win.

I think the hawks will be primed, I'm going the upset, hawks by 3.

Perth has no chance without cotton. Not enough offensive out put to beat the Hawks in this series

Travers is a guard now? News to me.

Perth really have no margin for error with Cotton unable to pull something out of nowhere. If they have a bad shooting night Hawks could pull it off. IMO Blanchfield is the key, if he can score efficiently then open up the inside for Perths bigs.

Perth have been preparing for Cotton's absence for 2-3 weeks now. They'll be fine.

Playoffs haven't even started and the refs are in LV's head already lol

Loveboat, travers is high quality player and so is Norton, Cairns would've loved them on their list, you really have no idea do you.

"Cotton's absence has reduced Mooney's effectiveness "

Three out of the four games that Cotton missed say otherwise. He had a shocker against Melbourne but Perth were missing their starting backcourt, one an MVP frontrunner, and the other a top three defender in the league.

Love when no one gives Perth a chance, done better than expected so even without cotton I wouldn't count out Perth

Jack Toft's recycled jokes get less funny each week.

TB Yours might be done before Bucks is though

While Goorjian is going to remain completely calm during the game....

Aylen reffing makes Perth favourites.

Someone tell me how Kevin White is in the league

What a horrible call from aylen.

What's the covid rule there, place is half full.

Semi finals are always half full

Does Harvey think he can win it by himself? 2-10 and he's taken 6 horrible shots.

Magney affecting the game without scoring. Great ring defence

So is Travers not in a dangerous position when in the air? Simons hip hits him in the shoulder, no foul...

How the hell wasn't that a foul on Simon???

No home court advantage!

This reffing is extremely inconsistent

Get a new TV Perthworld. Perhaps something digital not CRT.

Gleason may just cost them the game! Woot!

How the hell does Kevin White have a reputation as a good defender - he's atrocious on both ends.

It's seems goorjian doesn't know the rules.

Gleeson's tech had zero impact on the game.

Kevin White fouling out is a big positive for Perth

Blanchfield 6/11 from three, rest of Perth is 1/14

The reffing is beyond a joke. Completely favouring the hawks. How can your hip hit a guy in mid air laying up not be afoul but setting a pic or taking a charge is a usf.

If that's unsportsmanlike, this game is pathetic

Perth will just because they no how to win, Illawarra make free throws they should have won it

Harvey has a bit of Casper about him come play-offs

Wagstaff lost this for Perth

how bout them perf crowds

Haha

Good game, I still expect Perth to win the series

There were some atrocious calls during that game, all seemingly favouring Illawarra.

Simon MVP of this game

You spelt Aylen wrong.

But it wasn't. 1 of 35 in perth for the Hawks. Boom baby. Good odds and fantastic to see Perth lose!

Wagstaff got too much run. Kevin White is can barely bring the ball up past half court and plays no defense

The fans should have turned up, might be last game this season.

Well done hawks in a slugfest.

Everyone complaining about the refs are idiots. Perth couldn't defend without fouling.

Can confirm home cooking was happily absent!

Exactly. It was evidently one sided against Perth. Are you ok with that?

Norton's second and third fouls weren't fouls. Magnay getting called for a charge at one end, then the next play getting called for a block was completely inconsistent. White's USf was not usf - refs have been happy to call that as a charge all season. Cats players players asking for a review with no luck when all season a United player has to twirl his finger and he gets the refs to bend over.

That was atrocious.

Now you see why Cotton is the MVP. Once he is out, they look worse than Cairns.

*Cotton and Norton

Why didn't Perth call a timeout after the missed FT? Does it not advance the ball?

Perth foul defensively all the time, difference is normally in Perth they get away with it. Perth need to get someone else to mark Harvey as they need him on the floor offensively.
Mooney missing shots he normally makes.
Yes Coenraad has been great. Froling was exceptional as well.

Can't call a timeout during play.

If Gleeson and Mooney go, even with Cotton still there the floppycats are going to have a very big rebuild to do. The cracks are already showing.

Haha are you serious? They have the best outlook over the next five years than any other club does.

Goorj is given a pass for all of his antics for nostalgic reasons, and for the fact he's never coached Perth. He steps on the court all the time, he screams at people from the halfway line, and he generally looks like he shat his pants and is trying to hide it.

Lol, ha, ha,ha, it's the refs, Goorj and his assistant walking the sidelines, keep them coming, I’m enjoying it.

If you call a time out when it's not actually yours to call then I thought it was a technical foul, not only did goorj call it, the ref blew it, then realised, then went oops then let goorj have his subs anyway... like what the hell is that in a finals game??? The usf fouls were a joke, the blocks on wagstafff and magnay a joke and the fouls on norton to start the game obscene and frankly closer to offensive fouls from Harvey.

I'm asking if it is a rule? I had picked up somewhere, could be wrong that if you call a time out when your not meant to you can be given a technical foul. Surely at a minimum he should not get rewarded and be allowed to make his subs when he was not entitled to it.

Ok kober, should he have been rewarded for intentionally asking for a time out when he was not entitled to it? Should he have been allowed to make subs when the referees and bench fell for his shenanigans? Jason Kidd was entitled to spill a drink on the court accidentally back in the day too...

You can not call a timeout after your team scores. Fact. He asked for one after his team scored. Even if he was allowed to ask, should he have been allowed to make his sibs when the ref's realised they messed up? To me that's like throwing a shoe on the court to cause a delay so you can make a sub.

The scorebench incorrectly stopped the game and the clock. Once the game is stopped BOTH teams are entitled to sub and both teams did. The scorebench made the error and then the referee's disallowed the time out.

TB go watch the video. As soon as the 3 splashed he rushed the scoretable asking for a TO

#562 you should write fiction

TB the bench were incompetent but not even they are going to blow the horn and stop the game for subs on a made field goal outside the 2 mins of the 4th. You my friend are delusional

If you call for a TO and you don't have any left you can be teched, maybe that’s what’s confusing you?

No you can't at NBL level. The scoretable won't give you a time out if you have none left. It's irrelevant.

The basis for all this complaining seems to be that the NBL are more organised than your local domestic game and therefore Perth got screwed.

1) scoretable made an error, benefiting both teams in the end, as both were able to sub when previously they could not.

2) Hawks AC stood to talk to head coach, as did Perth's AC but Hawks AC should have been T'd, no.

3) Attempted to set a screen, gave blinded player a hard hit with shoulder. Video reviewed by NBL Review centre, player correctly awarded USF.

Yet the refereeing was terrible. Summary my biased opinion of the game as a follower of one team was different to that of the referees. Therefore refereeing was bad. Australian sports fan logic.

You think the way Goorjian carries on is classy? Wow.

There was a game midseason where he was complaining about the lop-sided foul count and he asked if it was personal. That's not classy at all.

Kobe a dick? No way said no one ever.

Exactly, nbl should make it a rule on coaches next season, question respectfully it the tech. If junior coaches behaved that way they would out on their ear.

However, Trev did cross the line last night, at the worst possible time. ha.

Jessup missed the free throw. It had no impact on the game. ha.

So he did it at the worst possible time, it didn't affect the game but that doesn't matter and also there was a worse time for him to do it. That was bad trolling.

Illawarra got the ball back, it cost Perth one extra attacking play and hawks could have scored off that play, I can't remember if they did or not. He also had to kerb his aggression for the rest game or he was out of there.

Illawarra got the ball back

No they didn't.

568, I think your right it must be if you are out of time-outs you can be t'd up if you ask, possibly an nba rule?. As in my original post I did say I thought I picked it up as a rule somewhere, maybe if kober actually tried to answer the question without well being kober it could have avoided a lot of unnecessary crap. Those two usf were pathetic, just because they went to the replay hardly means it was consistent with how they were called all year. Also unsure how a player laying up the ball doesn't draw a foul when he gets a hip of the defender trying to block the shot in the shoulder? That's not a usf? Dangerous play? Hmm

#641 maybe learn the rules and none of this will be difficult for you to comprehend.

642, so seeking clarification is not part of the learning process? Your a bright spark aren't you

You didn't seek clarification on the USF’s you stated pathetic calls which shows you do not know the rules.

Pretty simple rule. More than 5 players on the court is a tech.

Actually not that simple.

Pretty simple rule, referee beckons you on it's a sub

Are people suggesting Hawks had six players on the court? What? When?

No complaining about the scoretable error in stopping the game for an Illawarra time out that they were not entitled too. Just salty Perth fans

There is nothing to suggest the people discussing the rule application are Perth fans.

No one but Perth fans give a shit about the play

You seem to have an unhealthy obsession with people from Perth.

No just clueless people who have no idea about the rules

Hey 660, we weren't talking about the usfs so clearly you don't understand context. But they were pathetic calls. You can bend the rule whatever way you want to, fact is those plays have not been usf all season and is hardly play-off interpretations

Can you show me in the rules where there is regular season interpretations and where there are play off interpretations? I'll just sit here with my beer and popcorn as this factual response should be a cracker? I await your response citing rules and interpretations.

So you have never heard the expression play-off basketball? Where the ref's tend to let them play more? Nbl and NBA commentary talk about it all the time. In any case I notice you ignored the part where I noted that those plays had not been called usf all season, so why last night?

It's not a thing. A travel is still a travel, a foul is still a foul etc etc play off intensity is a thing but sorry dude the rules don’t change. All season if you have set a floating mid court screen, if you were never stationary and you rolled your shoulder to hit the defender it has always been USF since Tai Wesley started the thuggery. You should probably keep up and watch more games.

I think we don't agree on the type of screen set bud. Any thought on the kevin white one or did he roll his shoulder too?

He just picked Grida off. Let's just take people out to stop the transition. There is a USF criteria for that. But hey you know all 5 I’m sure. You lost, you got no home cooking and your king finally got a T for carrying on like he has all season. You lost to a better team and your trying to blame it on the referees but you don’t know the rules or the criteria that is applied. But that’s ok. I never figured you for having any idea about the rules which has been plainly obvious from your posts.

Players have taken charges off the ball all season and got rewarded. I personally hate the play and actually have no problem with it been usf as for mine it's not a basketball play. I have a problem with the interpretation flipping. Later in the game when Harvey just picked norton off while setting a screen on the baseline was that not the same action? Went unwhistled. What I have is a different opinion to yours. Trev got a t weeks ago, I thought he could have got tossed last night, he seemed particularly irate, oh I wonder why??

hmmm how come you select plays that ONLY possibly have an impact on Perth? So you're one eyed in addition to not knowing the rules.

White wasn’t trying to take a charge he just jumped in front of Grida and made sure there was contact whilst extending his arms. This is a simple USF under the criteria

Well Perth played the hawks last night and they are the plays we are talking about.

I don't think what white did was really any different to what others have done taking charges off ball all season, what was different was the call. All fans want is consistent interpretations.

I guess you're definitely not a perth hater (one eyed), obviously I can see from your bio that you are supremely qualified to be the official judge in all matters basketball and could not possibly be wrong. Is this aylen????

What was different,it was in transition after release of the ball and not waiting in the paint to get run over. White never had LGP and just tried to kill the play. All key differences.

I'm not one eyed. I just hate people who don’t know the rules. The rule book is online along with the interpretations document. You don’t have to be a referee to know them. You just have to be able to read and apply them without bias.

But hey you’re the oracle, your trying to set the narrative. I’m a nobody, I just giggle at your lack of knowledge. I’m wrong more often than not. But I more readily accept it when you have better proof than playoff interpretations that don’t exist.

I’m sorry you lost game 1 I really am. You just got beat. And i have a bio? OMG that’s so cool

Players have been taking charges on a player running up the court outside the paint all season, my point is that this is no different to those plays, other than this was a usf not a charge. You are aware that people who know the rules better than most can view a play and interpret it differently right.

For a good reader I'm not sure how you deduced that I said there is a play-off version of the rules. It is a common sentiment uttered by those within the industry that play-offs are called differently. I just finished listening to a ringer pod where they were discussing just that, it's not some concept I saw in my crystal ball.

It's not a concept. Players play harder, rules are the same. It’s a simple concept

"It's not a concept....it's a simple concept". That was rather insightful. Anyone ever been let of a ticket for a driving offence with a warning? Who knew the same law (rule) could be applied or interpreted differently.