Anonymous
Last month

Did the Monstars steal Broekhoff’s powers?

Quite legitimately asking, did Broekhoff even play tonight? He showed literally zero, and tbh he doesn't look like he’s worth taking to the Olympics. Thoughts? PS....did Gliddon play?

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Anonymous  
Last month

Just like Magnay, nba curse

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LV  
Last month

Broekhoff and Magnay have both failed dismally at living up to the expectations.

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Perthworld  
Last month

The way I see it is he basically didn't play a competitive game for an entire year. I'm assuming he comes good next season but no way you take him to an Olympics with this type of form.

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KET  
Last month

Calm ya farm - he would be fine in a Boomers squad.

Boomers don't need him to create looks or get himself into it, they will have structures that someone like Broekhoff will benefit from and we know can execute.

Especially if we have Simmons playing and Mills delivering.

He will be able to do his job as a sharpshooter.

International basketball is closer to Euro than NBL - important factor to consider.

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Zodiac  
Last month

As I said in another thread the other day you can't pick Broekhoff after the terrible season he's just had. He also is a weak defender so if we need a marksman who can contribute elsewhere if his shot isn't falling got to pick Gliddon over him.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Olympics locks

SIMMONS
MILLS
BAYNES
INGLES
THYBULLE
EXUM
DELLY
THON MAKER
GREEN

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Anonymous  
Last month

Some dickhead said "The way I see it is he basically didn't play a competitive game for an entire year" Yep he didn't play a full season. You didn't know that?

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Anonymous  
Last month

Shows how important regular game play is.
He hadn't played in months and despite keeping in shape, he never found his rhythm

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Anonymous  
Last month

Yep another NBL over rated and paid CHUMP. Hopefully they will all move on and a few of them have taken their money already and retired. Hopefully a few more to follow.

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KET  
Last month

" As I said in another thread the other day you can't pick Broekhoff after the terrible season he's just had."

Sure you can, when you have the option to select one of the best three point shooters in the world, you do.

If we punished shooters for being inconsistent, we wouldn't select the ultra consistent Ingles who had some absolute shocker shooting percentages compared to Broekhoff.

You don’t discard someone who can deliver 50% from three in Euroleague standard because of a small stint of not playing well.

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Zodiac  
Last month

Sure you can, when you have the option to select one of the best three point shooters in the world, you do.


He's not even close to being one of the best 3pt shooters in the world. He would be playing in a better league than the NBL if he was.

If we punished shooters for being inconsistent, we wouldn't select the ultra consistent Ingles who had some absolute shocker shooting percentages compared to Broekhoff.


A bit deceptive as you well know Ingles was never a great shooter early on, to his credit he turned himself into one in the NBA.

You don't discard someone who can deliver 50% from three in Euroleague standard because of a small stint of not playing well.


You do when he's given us 18 games worth to consider and a similarly talented shooter who can also play good defence is available.

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KET  
Last month

" He's not even close to being one of the best 3pt shooters"

Ofcourse he is, he makes a living shooting threes in the best leagues in the world.

If you're living in a world where you think only the NBA has world class shooters, you haven’t watched international basketball.

“ He would be playing in a better league than the NBL if he was.”

He has spent his life playing Euroleague - that not good enough? He came from the NBA a few months ago!

“ You do when he's given us 18 games worth to consider and a similarly talented shooter”

Not similarly talented. Broekhoff in bad form is similar to Gliddon having a great form.

The only thing the stint tells us is Broekhoff doesn’t work in the SEM offence setup.

Shock horror, from a guy who played in Europe for structured sides.

Boomers aren’t SEM. It’s a different style and level of basketball that we know Broekhoff is capable of. We don’t know Gliddon is.

What a silly risk that would be to discard Broekhoff!

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koberulz  
Last month

All we've really learned is that if you get a good shooter, stick him in the corner, and do nothing with him, he won't get many shots up.

This is obvious to literally anyone who understands basketball.

The Phoenix actually ran plays for him for five minutes in Illawarra, and he went off. Haven't done it since.

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KET  
Last month

Magnay is the one to be concerned about - he had to come back to the NBL and make a strong argument for a Boomers roster spot and I don't think he has.

Not only a strong argument, realistically he had to have a blinder of a stint Nick Kay style.

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KET  
Last month

" The Phoenix actually ran plays for him for five minutes in Illawarra, and he went off. Haven't done it since."

And there are few players in the world better at delivering the ball than Simmons (if he plays) - if the Boomers want to avoid 76ers troubles, they'll surround Simmons with sharpshooters.

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Senator11  
Last month

Broekhoff hasn't been very good at all, but the comments to replace him with Gliddon are absolutely laughable. Broekhoff has the NBA and international experience where he has excelled. If we want to take players based on form then Blanchfield is the one you take your over all the scorer/shooter currently playing in the NBL.

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Anonymous  
Last month

If Broekhoff has not had enough game, T Maker and Exum have played less. Exum at least showed a bit, Maker is a bench warmer.

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D2.0  
Last month

You'd have to smoking some power crack to suggest taking Gliddon.

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Anonymous  
Last month

"You don't discard someone who can deliver 50% from three in Euroleague standard because of a small stint of not playing well."

"He has spent his life playing Euroleague - that not good enough? He came from the NBA a few months ago!"

He actually only played one season of EuroLeague. He was in lower level European leagues in the other years.

https://www.euroleague.net/competition/players/showplayer?pcode=005195&seasoncode=E2015#!careerstats

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Anonymous  
Last month

You are running plays for him not running the on ball every set and expect him to get rhythm

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DennisRodmansHair  
Last month

I was disappointed with his season as well to be honest. Had a handful of really good games but was pretty inconsistent. Will still get the nod for Boomers selection based on his spot up shooting ability though. Will need shooters to put around Simmons.

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KET  
Last month

My question is who makes backup C position?

Let's say we have an out of form Baynes, and Kay, Landale as our three bigs.

Who is the fourth?

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KET  
Last month

Under appreciated thread title btw

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LV  
Last month

As I said in another thread recently, Dave Barlow doesn't usually put up great numbers in SEABL/NBL1

Yet I bet some people watching SEABL have wondered how he was such an accomplished NBL player and why he's played plenty for the Boomers.

Same logic applies to Landale and Tyler Harvey (Semi final notwithstanding) Harvey for the regular season at least probably looked comparably good to Landale. But does anyone think Harvey is any chance of NBA? Probably not. Is Landale a chance? Absolutely.

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LV  
Last month

^ eg this might be analogous to the comparisons between Blanchfield/Gliddon and Broekhoff.

The lesson being certain skillsets and certain players thrive in different styles of basketball where different roles are required.

On bigs, Humphries would be under consideration I'd hope.

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RobT  
Last month

I am a fan of Broekhoff and was excited when I heard that he was coming to the NBL in preparation for the Boomer's campaign. He was a lock, then. Not now!

Some of what I read above suggests strongly that running plays for him is the answer. Didn't Mitchell realise that. A HC in the NBL who doesn't recognise how to get a genuine Aussie star going in a league where he should dominate his position. He even has the means of delivery (to Broekhoff) through Gliddon, Adman, Le afa, Creek and especially that assists machine Sykes. Yet, he underachieved in the NBL.

I know it's a mute point now but if Cotton was avail, he's that man. We now know that he's not.

Ingles v Broekhoff, as a shooter. Ingles.

Let's also look at the selections of Brian Gurujian who has already shown that he may recruit on reputation but will change his mind when "forced" to. When his marquee player(s) weren't up to it, he let them go. Broekhoff has to depend on his choice. And, because Gurujian is Gurujian, he will certainly do something out-of-the-box. He may even suit up himself. Anyone remember that he was a sharp-shooter of the highest order?

I am also concerned over Baynes. I admit that I don't go looking for news on all my faves in the NBA but I hear nothing of him. Has he been playing minutes, how has his form been, of late? Is he still a lock for Boomers?

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Anonymous  
Last month

Hes been very underwhelming. Some of that has to be how he is used. Can you imagine how he would go in a Stiendl role, actually seeking his shots?

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KET  
Last month

Simmons
Mills
Ingles
Thybulle
Delly
Banes
Broekhoff
Landale
Kay

Would be locks surely?

Leaves us with 3 positions to fill I think?

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The Ibek-Way  
Last month

We're looking at coming up against the likes of Gobert, Jokic, Sabonis, Valanciunas and Gasol in Tokyo. Are Landale and Kay able to contain them? does this add a question mark over these guys being "locks"? Hard take without Bogut but you would have to assume that Maker and Humphries get a little more of a look just in the hope they can slow those guys down.

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Perth fan.  
Last month

Thankyou KET for not naming Maker as a lock.
Too many people think he is good.

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KET  
Last month

That's where Baynes is so important.

Could go Humphries as a backup C if his body is up to it.

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Anonymous  
Last month

What have Kay's minutes been like lately in his current team? I have heard they have been reduced for whatever reason - would he be match fit?

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Anonymous  
Last month

Goulding has shown he is better than Broekhoff, just because most don't like him is not the reason you don’t take him.
It’s going to be interesting how many nba players front for their countries, it could make this Olympics wide open.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Kay played 25 minutes per game, that's starter time minutes in Europe, his stats were down, imo because of bigger players in Spain and no Cotton next to you.

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Anonymous  
Last month

fair enough. i know he's played continuously from NBL to NZNBL and back again for the past few years. I would imagine his fitness was a big part of his success at the last WC's.

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Anonymous  
Last month

A lot of teams in the NBL don't run sets as such, as they are a little outdated. It's more flow, read/react kind of systems with variations and options. As people have mentioned, a shooter like Broekhoff is probably used to more set offences where the ball is delivered to him.

Also, people who haven't played much don't realise how important consistently playing is. He came in after not playing for a year, then got injured pretty quickly and had to sit out again for weeks. He was already not very fit to begin with, so a second injury is a big blow.

He really had very little time to get any rhythm or true fitness behind him. Don't discount how important that is for performance.

I think it's insane to write him off because of 1 season. But hey, it happens every year in every sport. Someone under performs and fans want them gone immediately. Cut throat.

Agree with the people who said different players suit different league and levels. There are plenty of state league players who look like superstars, but wouldn't have a hope in hell of producing anything similar at NBL and so forth.

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KET  
Last month

Completely agree with the above.

We would love for all our players to be in peak form heading into Olympics, unfortunately that won't be the case for more than a couple of players.

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RobT  
Last month

The Ibek-Way, you write, "We're looking at coming up against the likes of Gobert, Jokic, Sabonis, Valanciunas and Gasol in Tokyo. Are Landale and Kay able to contain them?

Maybe not. Not sure that any of our Boomers can contain everyone in their respective positions and on that point (respective positions), aren't both Landale and Kay 4's while all the Euro's you mentioned are flat out 5's? So what we need is Landale and Kay as 4's and someone to help Baynes at the 5.

That's where Humph/Maker/JLA/Motum etc may be useful.

We do have to include the best that WE have. Who IS better than Landale and Kay as 4's?

Ket's roster were all our best from the WC's except for Simmons and Thybulle. Can those 2 and Gurujian take us from 4th at the WC's to Gold at the Olympics? A medal, I definitely see! For a real chance at Gold we still need an INFORM Broekhoff. Who's it gonna be? In-form Broekhoff, out-of-form Broekhoff or someone else, in that all-important shooter's role?

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Isaac  
Last month

He really had very little time to get any rhythm or true fitness behind him. Don't discount how important that is for performance.
What team play will he have now that would get him in form/shape for the Boomers? It's not like he started slow and form was trending up - his SF series was obviously pretty poor.

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Senator11  
Last month

PG: Simmons/Delly
SG: Mills/Broekhoff/Goulding
SF: Ingles/Thybulle
PF: Landale/Kay
C: Baynes/Humphries

1 more spot up for grabs?

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LV  
Last month

Great post #900.

I wondered what was up when he flew in and sat out the first couple of games, even after training with the team.

In hindsight, appears his body and fitness was just nowhere near ready.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Motum is an offensive 4
Maker has shown nothing and played less
JLA is talked up but defensively poor and is not the answer
Imo Cooks will be in the team.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Lillard, Tatum and Green just committed to play for the yanks

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KET  
Last month

No gold for the Green and Gold then

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The Ibek-Way  
Last month

I guess my point, RobT, is while you are correct about Kay and Landale being 4's at that level, I question if they may not be locks as BG considers players that may bring more defence to that position. Most of the top teams have stars at those big spots while we do not. So do we bring Landale, who may be the bet we have at that spot but defensivly so-so and Kay who is undersized or do we bring someone like Maker who may be able to play a little more defence at that 4 spot?

I don't have answers, just posing questions but you are right, we don't have many options

btw, I believe that Motum is more of a 3-4 and is notorious for his poor defence so not really the answer

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KET  
Last month

I think you rely on Baynes and have Humphries as a backup C to provide a second big body.

Broekhoff is a SF/PF; Thybulle I think is a SG.

For your two last spots is it worth taking two of Green, Giddey, Magnay? Get that youth experience in?

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Perth fan.  
Last month

Simmons, Dellavedova
Mills,
Ingles,
Landale, Motum/Kay (definitely 1 possibly both).
Baynes, Humphries

3 spots remaining, maybe 4 if Motum or Kay don't go.

Shortlist for remaining spots in no particular order...
Thybulle
Broekhoff
Sobey
Goulding
Giddey.

Exum highly unlikely.

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Perth fan.  
Last month

* I forgot Green but Sobey and Goulding are ahead for mine.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Is Exum even injury free, when has he played last. Pure wasted talent due to injuries.

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Senator11  
Last month

I like the idea of taking someone like Giddey in the last spot as he's our future after this bunch. Guys like Sobey and Creek have had their shot, covered when we needed them, but aren't going to help win games now, or be there in the future.

I had forgotten about Motum so I'd want to squeeze him in. Tough call when it gets down to the last spots.

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Anonymous  
Last month

My 12 for olmmpics

Baynes
MAKER
Ingles
MILLS
SIMMONS

Humphries
Green
Delly
THYBULLE
Broekhoff
Giddey
EXUM

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Anonymous  
Last month

Perth fan

Thybulle is a lock for the team, more so than delly, broekoff

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Anonymous  
Last month

Broekhoff ain't makin it, under lemanis yes, under goorj no.

IQ, Defense, size, versatility n athleticism is what goorj wants.


15 he should take
Mills
Delly
Goulding
Thybulle
*Exum - could play as 1-2-3 man
*Green - up against creek, can play 2-3
*Creek - up against green, can only play 3 at fiba.
Ingles
Cooks
Simmons
Baynes
Landale
Humphries
Maker

*1 of. Test all 3 in LA.


No to
Giddey, Adel, Sobey, broekoff, Kay, Motum, mccarron, mcdowell-white, Magnay, Norton, Reath.
A lot of these guys coukd play Asia cup.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Giddey* for exp

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Anonymous  
Last month

Have to pick Exum, Green, Maker, Giddey
No sobey, kay, motum, cooks creek.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Have to pick Exum, Green, Maker, Giddey
No sobey, kay, motum, cooks creek.

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Anonymous  
Last month

#049
Glad you're not picking the team.

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