Anonymous
Two months ago

Wigness - Wunderkid or Waste of Talent

Watching him struggle under an offense-less system being run by D Perry (BTW if anyone is wondering who ate all the pies... My goodness) but given how much opportunities the kid has had - state teams, CoE, NBA Global Academy, National Teams, NBL experience; when based off all that exposure and opportunity, to watch him do the same moves he did four years ago, with no growth in height or speed / agility and still with the shooting prowess of Ben Simmons, is it fair to say that Australia may have it's very own Julian Newman - Someone raved on as the next big thing as a junior yet now can't even run point at an adequate level. Unfortunately the gig is up TW, it's time to show the Aussie Bball public that you can fulfill that potential otherwise Daniels and many others are going to quickly overtake you, if they haven't already.

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koberulz  
Two months ago

Get a life.

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Anon  
Two months ago

Really rich of you to say get a life haha.

OP certainly has a point. Wigness has the same flaws in his ball handling he's had for a while.

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Baller  
Two months ago

I think you make some very valid points, especially when compared to Daniels or Bayles. Wigness struggles to even control his dribble half the time. It's not nitpicking as it's fairly evident for most educated viewers to see

I think I speak for a vast majority of regular users on here when I say you are the absolute last person to be telling anyone to get a life KR.

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TaipansTragic  
Two months ago

Absolutely appalling performance against Turkey! Outplayed by Daniels, Bayles, and Galloway. Turkey play Mali next, and will obviously finish Top 2 in our Group. VERY DISAPPOINTED. How the heck did we lose to Turkey, if they got pummelled by the US? That game was so dreadful to watch! Wigness played 19mins, 0-3 FG's, 0-1 3PT's, 3 TO's, 2 Fouls, 1 REB, and 1 Assist, with -11 rating. Isn't he captain of the team?

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

These guys are lazy between the ears. A real problem in junior Aussie sport.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Now we play Spain, France or Argentina after USA, great...

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proud  
Two months ago

What does Wigness beast mode look like?

I'm not having a dig at the young fella but will he stuff the stat sheet or just have large numbers in one category ?

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

There is a video of him viral where he's in the paint and chorus take the floater nice little jumper and he passes it out with 2 seconds on the shot clock forcing Sobey to take a contested late clock 3. Basically sums up this guy and watching him you don’t see star he’s Big V Div 1-2 at best there are way better options for locals.

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Isaac  
Two months ago

I think you make some very valid points
FYI: This comment '298 from same IP as OP.

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ME  
Two months ago

His upside is limited by his size, and seeing as he's 5'9 and he's done growing, hasn't got any quicker, hasn't added much to his game, he's very much reached his peak as a player. It's a tough thing to say of a 19 year old but it's true. As everyone grows around him, and he goes further and further into adult leagues, there's going to be little he can do to off-set the growing advantages other players will have. His ceiling is a back up NBL point guard. At his height you need to be freakishly good at something to make a big dent in this game and he isn't that.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

My biggest question is how does a player who spends 3 so years at AIS not be able to at least be a serviceable threat from the outside. Especially at his size and limitations

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Zodiac  
Two months ago

Because he was probably so quick at a junior level he didn't need to rely on a steady shot. Unfortunately what I saw of him at the Bullets this season he seems development player or at best end of bench standard in the NBL.

Lemanis made a number of seriously head scratching decisions in his time at the Bullets.

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Perth fan.  
Two months ago

Was highly touted at 14 or 15.
Since them Daniels, Giddey, Proctor and Bayles have all overtaken him.

Would be foolish to write off someone who is only 19 but I too see him as a career nbl backup at this stage.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Why didn't proctor make this team?

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Baller probably just plastered and couldn't remember he was the original poster, or just used to talking to himself.

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Thunder Jam  
Two months ago

Anonaball...

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Sebastian  
Two months ago

Easy to bag the F out of a kid who has probably achieved more than you ever will under an anonymous post

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Wigness has already performed well at this level, I think that's worth remembering. He averaged 7.6 points and 3.3 assists at this event, 2 years ago!

Giddey has gone past him, sure. Daniels, too, though I think that has as much to do with physical attributes as anything. I am not convinced that Bayles or Proctor are better than Wigness, just playing with lower expectations. Proctor has yet to lead NSW Metro to even a medal at Nationals. Sure, there's not a ton of talent around him in that side but his extreme ball dominance doesn't help what's there.

There's a fair question about what, exactly, is going on developmentally at the CoE. If they bring in kids at an early age who are dominating with advanced physical tools, they have to be willing to send them home if the work ethic isn't there. And if the kids have the work ethic, the coaches have to use it. Wigness should be both a world-class ball handler and at least a respectable perimeter threat at this stage. It's not just on him that those things haven't happened.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Djeric spent his high school years at the ais, look how he shoots and plays, there are others.

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ME  
Two months ago

The game against Turkey was.... interesting... to say the least. What I saw was one team, the Aussies, with by far more length and athleticism than their opponent, but just got outplayed by a smarter team that played like a team. AIS and COE were apparently known for their player development and making smart, savvy team players but that wasn't really what we saw last night.

The lucky thing is with that kind of length and athleticism it isn't nearly as hard to make ballers out of those kids than kids without those attributes.

As for Wigness, his main probably is he's 5'9. I could see a future where he's a back up point guard, maybe Asia Cup level Boomer. But he's beyond short for a basketball player. He has far less room for failure than do other players. I do hope I am wrong. I'd love to see him excel. But sometimes you just draw the short straw genetically. I mean, he'd be the smallest current player in the NBA by a fair margin if he were to make it that far, wouldn't he?

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Zodiac  
Two months ago

I mean, he'd be the smallest current player in the NBA by a fair margin if he were to make it that far, wouldn't he?


Wigness is 5'11" there were shorter players than him that played in the NBA this season.

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Serballin  
Two months ago

I'm sorry but what? Some of you are softer than snowflakes. OP made valid, non-judgmental points yet some of you are hating on him for expressing an opinion? Shame. Wigness is an adult and he allegedly wants to be a professional baller. He *should* be judged on his game. He's shown very little despite every opportunity. He legitimately struggles to dribble the ball.

When you guys get a horrible tasting soy latte from the SJW cafe do you continue giving them your money or do you go elsewhere?

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Why was he playing so minutes in that game when he was hopeless. To many turnovers yet is kept on the court

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koberulz  
Two months ago

OP made valid, non-judgmental points
"Darren Perry eats too many donuts" and "we need to ask Wigness why he didn't grow taller" are not valid, non-judgmental points.

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Serballin  
Two months ago

Now you're just making it up Kobe. I don't care for Perry that's not who the thread is about. Almost like you're protecting him or something...

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koberulz  
Two months ago

I've scrolled back up to the OP and you are correct. It says "pies", not "donuts".

My bad.

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Royba  
Two months ago

I think Wigness should go to the end of the bench.He can't create a shot and passes on reflex not vision.
My Pont guard would be Armstrong.
Wings Bayle's and Daniels.
Bigs Gak and Dengdit.
Coach needs to rethink the rotations in my opinion.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Disaster if we lose tonight won't even qualify for quarterfinals

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Spain too much passion.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

I'm sick of watching robotic offence they train at coe etc . How many times does a player have a open easy shot early but doesn’t take it .let’s run something and take a harder shot . Back your talent and there skill I say

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Seriously, Royba? Armstrong's decision making has been far from inspiring. Might be room to rethink rotations but that doesn't look like a solution to me. I actually think one of the issues with rotations is that we'd be better off going small, but it's the bigs who've been more productive so we're trying to play Jones at the 3 and it makes us very slow.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Lazy Australian team between the ears plus crap coach, same old, same old.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Disgrace to the green n gold. Couldn't care less this team.


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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Daniels and Gak the only player that gives a toss. the others have shown no desire to play both ends.

Perry keeps getting the job after multiple poor performances, how?

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Proves how much of a joke ba is and the Coe.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

this coach needs to be sacked on the way home what a waste of talent

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Everyone involved should hang heads in shame. Failure on a consistent basis should not be rewarded.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

The day that Caporn leaves, we see the fruits of his labor. Two extremely underwhelming 19's campaigns.
Let’s not forget if not for a Vasiljevic prayer we wouldn’t have even qualified for his first campaign

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Needs to be a complete clean out of staff and more of a focus on mental fortitude and toughness like 10 years ago

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

So with in 3 days we are out . Does the coach and coe get looked at or is it a boys club and just move on .3 point shooting from the best kids in Australia was putrid . How does Darren perry get the job in the first place ? Who makes that decision. Failure

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Same with butler, had the best team ever on the women's side u19, worst result. Ended up with the job again.

Perry performed badly in 2019, got the job again in 21.


Not just the coaching but how lazy were 10/12 players. No closing out, no boxing out. Really disappointed overall.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Wigness gone backwards horrible again

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Bit unfair to bring Butler into this, she had the gold in her hand until one of her studs did the dumbest foul ever and she ended up with silver

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

I'm not sure butler did a lot of coaching, we were terrible all tournament if you watch the games over and look at the stats.

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Royba  
Two months ago

Well Coach did try to address the rotations but it sure looked like the players were not engaged.
They certainly got schooled on how to play,again by a Euro team.
Maybe we are not thinking enough about the style of play needed to do well at these tournaments.

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Anon  
Two months ago

Bit unfair to bring Butler into this, she had the gold in her hand until one of her studs did the dumbest foul ever and she ended up with silver


Very Very True but she was trained that way from 14s on by her coach and the VJBL let her do it without suspension, that was the biggest Karma bite I have ever seen

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