Fry
Two months ago

Olympics: Boomers vs Italy, 28 July 2021

A Preview and thread for the upcoming Boomers game.

We definitely have to improve on last game's performance against this tough Italian side. They have a lot of bigs, so we'll see how well we can hold up.

6.20 pm Sydney, Melbourne and Brisbane time. Earlier for other states

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Perthworld  
Two months ago

4:20pm Perth time. Not sure about Christmas Island, Eucla or Australian Antarctic Territory though.

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ME  
Two months ago

Pretty sure they're comparable in size to us. As for if we need to improve, offensively definitely. Defensively we're pretty much where we need to be. But I think we'll have an easier time running our stuff against a less-athletic Italy than we did against Nigeria.

I am going Australia by under 10 points. Of course another game I am wary of though. Anyone can beat anyone at this level but I just feel like Australia has more pedigree, a lot of experience together, more athleticism. But they cant come out of the gates tentative like last time.

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Euclaworld  
Two months ago

Good luck Boomers for whenever this game is. I've got NFI.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

6.20 pm est

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Nostraballmus  
Two months ago

ME i think you are spot on here. This one will be tight and tough but i think the Boomers defense will wear Italy down over the 40 and give us a tight win. As long as we don't/havent underestimated Italy given a few months back we would never of expected to be meeting them. I'm sure Goorj the wily old fox wont allow it, surely !

It's a traditional Olympic rivalry for the Boomers with classics played out in 1980, 1984 and of course the QF in Sydney which was a cracking game, get on it if you can find it anywhere. Italy's coach Sachetti was a powerhouse of those 80's teams. Tonights match is sure to add to the legacy and don't be surprised if it gets chippy.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

If you look at the games that we played well in at Rio and at the last World Cup, it was our offensive execution of:
setting multiple screens,
running the ball through hands,
movement off the ball including weak side,
back cuts,
drawing opponents bigs out with our tall setting high screens which opened up the paint.
We need to play like that and not run too much iso.

Defensively we need the same intensity as last game and contain Italy's kick out 3 ball

Hoping for a big game from Ingles as he can score quick when aggressive and is an excellent facilitator.

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Gazeee  
Two months ago

Need less than 26 turnovers for a start

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Perth fan.  
Two months ago

Boomers by 11.

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UseTaHoop  
Two months ago

953

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Boomers by 15. Thyblle will continue to be a defensive menace.

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Zodiac  
Two months ago

Boomers by 8

I think there will be a serious adjustment for us in this game going from playing a loose unstructured team like Nigeria to a seriously structured Italy.

I think we have too much world class talent to lose but they will be able to keep it relatively tight.

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Perthworld  
Two months ago

Landale continues to struggle.

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Zodiac  
Two months ago

Kay definitely looks more mobile than he used to, moving his feet real well defensively.

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FSTOS  
Two months ago

Great start.

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Luuuc  
Two months ago

Love the injection of bench energy.

Solid start. I like the looks we're generating.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

We look so much better than v Nigeria. Landale isn't going to be an NBA player if he can't figure out how to hang in space at the defensive end though.

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Rat10  
Two months ago

Boomers offense already looking infinitely better against Italy than Nigeria.

Thybulle getting 2 early fouls doesn't help though.

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Zodiac  
Two months ago

Tied 25-25 at Qtr time

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Quality game.

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Luuuc  
Two months ago

This ranga is pwning Sobey atm

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Diop Kick  
Two months ago

I mean why wouldn't you want sobey forcing shots

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Perthworld  
Two months ago

Boo ginger boo!

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Take sobey off the court for boomer's sake

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Media got Sobey into the team, at least put him on the bench, give green a go.

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Diop Kick  
Two months ago

Ingles having one of those games where he doesn't want to do anything

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Sobey sucks on both ends

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Kay was good in Perth but his stint in Europe has even made him better.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Green should take all of sobey's minutes

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Really poor use of both Goulding & Sobey, combined 0/5 and defensive errors.

Unnecessary rotations !!

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Perthworld  
Two months ago

Luckily for us Baynes has been money from range.

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Rat10  
Two months ago

The Ranga is beating everyone not just Sobey.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Those Sobey minutes are horrid if we lose this game. But if we win it despite them and he can play with some more confidence if we get a chance to rest Patty elsewhere, they're a great call.

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rjd  
Two months ago

What channel is the Aus commentary on?

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

F***ing Goorj should have picked giddey instead of sobey

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Momentum lost with the combined minutes of Goulding and Sobey !!

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Zodiac  
Two months ago

rjd, 7Two

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Diop Kick  
Two months ago

That's better Joey

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Sobey & goulding are big liabilities

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Rat10  
Two months ago

Landale showing that running the floor works at any level, including International Ball.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

I don't think it's just Goulding and Sobey that hurt us. Our on-ball defence is causing us a ton of problems. What is that? Hard show? If it's meant to be, it's not hard enough and there's not enough help on the rolling big. Putting ourselves in a scramble every time they set a screen.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Cooks would be handy now instead of trash sobey

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Thinkin Mccarron better suited than sobey

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Exum is a woeful decision-maker at the end of a drive, too. Probably not surprising given how little basketball he's actually played. In that sense he'd be better off getting out of the NBA for a while and finding somewhere he can get game reps.

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AussiePride  
Two months ago

If you are going to knock Goulding and Sobey at least have a username. If you are going to be Anonymous your comment has no value and you should be ignored.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

We really struggle in the half court at times. Exum is not a point guard. Should've brought Giddey.

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AussiePride  
Two months ago

Giddey would look like a young foal. He would be picked apart. Hasn't grown into his body. Will be good in a couple of years but is not now.

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AussiePride  
Two months ago

Giddey = Turnover City

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The dude  
Two months ago

We've been running essential 4 guards and a big for most of the 2nd quarter. Getting back cut consistently is infuriating with a quicker lineup.

Ingles us going to have to shoot more if we want to win

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rjd  
Two months ago

"Mccarron better suited than sobey"

McCarron was also better than Sobey in the Boomers B team.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Mccarron just better defensively and passer.

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The dude  
Two months ago

Exum spends at least every 3rd possession on the ground. I wince everytime "is it a knee".

The amount of blind spins he does with the ball is a real problem. Like another posted suggested, he's missed so many games and hasn't learned what does work in the pros.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Fontecchio to nba for sure

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Aussiepride needs to take some of his own advice.....

Annoyed that Goulding and Sobey are getting knocked and then trashes Giddey.... lol

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Frogmanbaby  
Two months ago

Whilst Kay is handy on offense, he is getting seriously exposed defensively... How is Reath not getting a single minute?? We need a big interior presence, they're just strolling to the rim repeatedly!

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Zodiac  
Two months ago

I never understood how Exum got drafted and still don't understand how the guy is still in the NBA seven years later.

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Luuuc  
Two months ago

Some timely threes to keep us in touch, but some worrying signs in that 2nd quarter. Offence stagnated and Italy got themselves a lot of easy looks.

I thought the shots Goulding took were all good shots for him. Just didn't drop unfortunately. But I approve of the idea of throwing him in there to give the offence a different look.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

McCarron didn't play for a shit team and play iso ball all season, Sobey did and got picked because of it. His d isn’t up to standard.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

East Coast - on channel 7 from now
SA/NT - on 7two until 7pm then on channel 7
WA - on 7 until 5:30 then on 7two until 7pm then on channel 7

Subject to channel 7's whim. I think.

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Luuuc  
Two months ago

How is Reath not getting a single minute??

Good question.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

7+ is the way to go, the whole game, no ducking over to another sport. Commentary is calm, no screaming.

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Rat10  
Two months ago

The problem for the Boomers is at the defensive end. Italians shooting 55% from the field. Too many easy baskets. Clean that up and the Boomers will be in good shape.

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KET  
Two months ago

Gotta keep Reath fresh for the Hawks obvs

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Luuuc  
Two months ago

I agree Rat10. This team is very well built to get transition points, but we're constantly retrieving the ball from our own basket.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Italy all in prime except young mannion.

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AussiePride  
Two months ago

LOL Anonymous asks me to take my own advice. I take responsibility for my comments right or wrong.

I stand by my comment that Giddey isn't that great yet. And for those knocking Exum. He can get into the paint against any team on the planet. While he may not be able to finish as efficiently as is possible it is a net benefit to the team to have a player that can do this. You may not have noticed a few assists he made that gave us some of the easiest baskets in the first half either.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

"Commentary is calm, no screaming." The NBL can learn a lot from the excellent commentary. Just call the game. Don't need the experts.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Kay sucks in fefense

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Zodiac  
Two months ago

And for those knocking Exum.


You're seriously here knocking Giddey and talking up Exum? Exum's trash. 3 turnovers in 10 mins on court.

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Luuuc  
Two months ago

Dante Simmons :/

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Zodiac  
Two months ago

Exum blows back to back FT's.

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Zodiac  
Two months ago

Nice patty

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Luuuc  
Two months ago

Great start to the half though

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Zodiac  
Two months ago

Exum gets the shit blocked out of him.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Yeah, Exum can get in the paint against any team on the planet - that's why my comment was "he's a woeful decision-maker at the end of drive." Because he gets there just fine, then he turns it over.

Also "AussiePride" you're no less anonymous than those of us posting without a random username. Get stuffed.

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Zodiac  
Two months ago

Landale really stepping up

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Rat10  
Two months ago

Mills and Landale combining nicely.

Anything that thinks Landale can't compete in International Ball is an idiot.

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The dude  
Two months ago

Exum is not trash, he just has play making decisions of a 20 year old not a 26 year old.

Sobey may be good in the nbl, but he is outclassed at the international level. He should not have been selected.

Reath seems very reliable as a big dude, no idea why hes not getting minutes by sobey and goulding have (no josh green either!)

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AussiePride  
Two months ago

Also "AussiePride" you're no less anonymous than those of us posting without a random username. Get stuffed.


Sorry, which Anonymous are you?

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Zodiac  
Two months ago

Get Exum off the court FFS

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AngusH  
Two months ago

Yeah, Exum really lacking composure

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Did Goorj play with Exum's dad? We know he's had his favourites in the past...

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AngusH  
Two months ago

Delly really needs to just attack the basket there....

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Perthworld  
Two months ago

This is way too close for comfort.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Goorj making it up to Cecil in commemoration of when Gaze dunked on him!!!

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Luuuc  
Two months ago

Good onya Patty!

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Perthworld  
Two months ago

Thybulle great stop there.

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AussiePride  
Two months ago

Needed that finish to the quarter.

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The dude  
Two months ago

I like delly, but geeez he's shot. I hope the nbl aren't paying him too much

Simmons could have easily taken Dellys role as point guard and equally not looked to score (but with better d, rebounding and passing)

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Can we send sobey home please

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PyroCross  
Two months ago

Nice find there by Patty - looking forward to seeing him take over the game late.

No commentary on the feed here in NZ - which is far better than whichever American journo they've had on our broadcasts for prior games (mistaking Australia for Argentina on multiple occasions in the last game).

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AngusH  
Two months ago

Kay looking great. Landsdale doing a nice job running the floor and finishing but looks like BBQ chicken defending the perimeter...

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AussiePride  
Two months ago

We have got a few hand offs under the basket but not really any backdoor slips or cuts. Italian defense very organised.

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Perthworld  
Two months ago

Thybulle again! What a block.

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The dude  
Two months ago

Cecil never played for Goorj. Stated in seabel for bulleen then played with north melbourne giants melbourne tigers and then geelong

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AngusH  
Two months ago

Thybulle for PM

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Thyabulle been excellent, plus that block.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Simmons couldn't have taken Delly's role, he would have whinged and complained about his chair not being soft enough or how he had to go to training camp.

Patty has been terrific. Italy clearly working hard to take him out of the game and instead of forcing things he's picking his spots and setting others up. A poise and maturity that I don't think he had 5 years ago.

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AngusH  
Two months ago

I bet United fans can't wait to see that Delly shooting form next season

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Luuuc  
Two months ago

It's time to try a no-point-guards lineup because this is painful

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PyroCross  
Two months ago

Uh, Nick Kay what!?

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The dude  
Two months ago

I gotta say, i was never sold on kay. Too slow and unathletic etc.

But he's growing on me, sorta like a olympics scott fisher. Dependable if not exciting

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PyroCross  
Two months ago

And sets with Patty Mills as the screener at the elbow with less than 12 on the shot clock seem a waste of time.

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Perthworld  
Two months ago

OMG that Mills three rimming out. Argh.

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Luuuc  
Two months ago

This fake crowd noise is somehow even lamer than the AFL version

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Luuuc  
Two months ago

Yeah Jock!!

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Perthworld  
Two months ago

Landale three. Huge.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Landale is NBA ready

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PyroCross  
Two months ago

Oh yes Jock!!!

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Diop Kick  
Two months ago

Good to see Jock getting more comfortable

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AngusH  
Two months ago

Huge board by Kay too

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AussiePride  
Two months ago

Classic Landale!!

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Luuuc  
Two months ago

Kay is out there doing all the things ... as always. I can't comprehend how some people still don't see his value.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

If he could stop taking soft layups and dunk the ball he'd be awesome

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FSTOS  
Two months ago

Huge swing from that Mills missed layup

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Perthworld  
Two months ago

Oh shit.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Thanks Luuuc, 100% Kay does exactly what teams need.

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PyroCross  
Two months ago

That was awful. The two player missed dunk then Joey WHY!?

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Perthworld  
Two months ago

Lucky O board. Yessss.

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PyroCross  
Two months ago

Joey YEEEES!

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AngusH  
Two months ago

After today's game if people don't see the value in Kay they should stick to the swimming heats.

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Perthworld  
Two months ago

Those who understand the game already know how valuable he is after the World Cup.

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Luuuc  
Two months ago

Interesting time to pull Landale out. He has been huge this quarter.

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Zodiac  
Two months ago

John Rillie on the bench

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Delly guards 4 people in one possession. But quick get rid of him.

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Perthworld  
Two months ago

Squeaky bum time.

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PlaymakerMo  
Two months ago

Yeah Kay showed his quality at the WC's. It took me by surprise then, but not anymore.

Kay and Landale's work on the O'boards has been huge in the 4th.

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Perthworld  
Two months ago

Manion on a tear.

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Luuuc  
Two months ago

Good boy, Matisse

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Perthworld  
Two months ago

Phew.

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PyroCross  
Two months ago

I get why Delly's in the game right now over Landale, but man is it frustrating.

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Luuuc  
Two months ago

Good boy, Patty

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The dude  
Two months ago

"Delly guards 4 people in one possession"

Yeah, but it wasn't great. Kinda maniac and very lucky

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

As the British commentator said, one for the purists. Great game and commentary.

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Perthworld  
Two months ago

Mills sinks both free throws this time.

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PlaymakerMo  
Two months ago

Patty in a Boomers jersey is a sight to behold. What a legend.

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FSTOS  
Two months ago

Any idea why we just let Manion stroll through for open layups.

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Zodiac  
Two months ago

Been a good game of basketball this.

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Luuuc  
Two months ago

You're giving me the shits, Mannion. Seriously. Go away!!!

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AngusH  
Two months ago

Delly will always give 110% effort but his regression offensively is tough to watch at times

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

FSTOS seriously? You would rather we foul him?

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Zodiac  
Two months ago

Any idea why we just let Manion stroll through for open layups.


Because guarding the 3 point line is the priority.

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Perthworld  
Two months ago

Yay.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Nick Kay can easily play NBA. So smart and efficient in everything he does.

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Luuuc  
Two months ago

Whew! Quality win.
Way too close for comfort but good composure down the stretch.

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AussiePride  
Two months ago

Massive win. Italy defense never let us get into our stuff.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

A wins a win. But we're not beating France, Spain, USA playing like this.

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Perthworld  
Two months ago

That was the key game of our group. Germany look ordinary.

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The Real Nostraballmus  
Two months ago

Never in doubt

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

That was a great effort from both teams, so glad the Boomers got the W.

#319 I think Kay would find ways to contribute in the NBA but he's too old, too close to his ceiling. He's not getting a guaranteed deal in the NBA so would be stupid for him to leave secure gigs in Europe.

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JBGB  
Two months ago

Anyone notice that Baynes wasn't on the sideline in the last quarter?

Injury or pissed at lack of court time?

Had a stinker against Nigeria but I thought he played well tonight when he was on.

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Fry  
Two months ago

Phew. Down to the last possession. I think that guarantees a spot in QF. Very pleased with Kay showing his worth and Patty being still being reliable. Hopefully its a good thing that Goulding is struggling in the early stages so we can see more of his sharpshooting. Go boomers!

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Woody  
Two months ago

Guys that was awesome throughly enjoyed that game. Our bigs were just outstanding. I have no idea why Nick Kay can't even get a summer league look in. He is just an outstanding basketball player.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Great game
Great commentary
Reath doesn't play because he’s not in the same league as Landale or Kay.
Nielsen took the last time out coaching.
Excellent team play by both sides, Australia just that bit better.
This is real basketball, love it.

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Luuuc  
Two months ago

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rjd  
Two months ago

I feel like Exum doesn't have the passing IQ to be our PG.

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Senator11  
Two months ago

Much better quality game overall than the Nigeria game. Kay shutting down the haters time and time again. Disappointed with the lack of game time for Green, he's locked on when he's on the court. Jock huge! Baynes was great too.

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AussiePride  
Two months ago

Nick Kay is a great player but the NBA has changed their rules to suit athletic superstars. Would find it hard to find a role unless the focus changes back to team basketball rather than individual iso crap.

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Rat10  
Two months ago

This game along with the 2019 World Championships were further evidence that Landale and Kay are very good at International level. They were incredible down the stretch.

Landale running the floor beautifully, hitting threes, blocking shots on the perimeter and his tap out rebounds leading to open threes were invaluable. Then Kay doing all the little stuff as he has for years. His improved and he was pretty good when he left the Wildcats. Just so efficient. You'd love to have him on any team.

Strange to me what many would regard as Italy's best player, Danilo Gallinari only played 19 minutes. Maybe he's injured and if so we caught a break there.

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Woody  
Two months ago

Patty is one of the greatest international ballers in history there's some validity in hall of fame conversation for him. He is 100% going to be the first Australian to have his jersey retired by an NBA team. If the Spurs can do it for Bruce Bowen they will for Patty.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Lets all be honest Delly is so past it

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Perthworld  
Two months ago

Don't tell that to United.

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AussiePride  
Two months ago

Used to watch Mannion playing for Arizona with Josh Green. Sensational player. Didn't know he was Italian.

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Woody  
Two months ago

Agreed Delly is so past it. United have been sold a Lemon.

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Woody  
Two months ago

As an Atlanta Hawks fan my whole life i remember his watching his father Pace Manion playing in the late 80's.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Pity Simmons wasn't there.

Mccarron over Sobey looking at it now or another big man like cooks.


Next major we will lose some key guysleave , but also gain some good ones.

Could be the last we see of
Baynes, ingles, Goulding, Sobey

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Goorj had Delly on the floor in crunch time at the Olympics. He might be "past it" in that he's never going back to the NBA but he's still one of the 7-8 best Aussies.

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Mat B  
Two months ago

Our inability to execute late in 4th was a big concern, very hesitant and no motion.
One big and 4 guards???

Kays right baseline hook suggests we should feed him more in the post.
His defense was great.

Ingles looked slower than usual and far too reluctant to shoot early. I'd prefer he look to score early and distribute more later.

>>How is Reath not getting a single minute?? We need a big interior presence, they're just strolling to the rim repeatedly!<<
No idea.
It's frustrating as he can defend, and rebound pick, roll and pop.


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Perthworld  
Two months ago

Used to watch Mannion playing for Arizona with Josh Green. Sensational player. Didn't know he was Italian.

Same, it's amazing to see how good he is now as a senior player. I believe his American father played pro ball in Italy and he was born there?

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ME  
Two months ago

I think there are some lines in the sand Goorjian needs to draw now.

Okay, Nathan Sobey isn't up to it. I was one of the idiots who actually backed his selection. I regret it. I put my hand up and apologize. The guy got burned by Mannion three times in a row. That was good for 5 points. 5 points could cost a game.

Goorjian, stop with Sobey. I know it's a nice fairytale story but he's going to cost you a game - yes , even in 2 minutes of court time.

Secondly, Dante Exum. Someone tell that boy that before he drives, he needs to have some vague idea of the outcome he wants? How many times does he have to drive straight into defenders and lose the ball? This really is looking like social basketball level IQ we're seeing from Exum.

Patty had his first game where he wasn't quite "Boomers Patty". It's okay. He's entitled to it. I am sure he'll be back to himself soon.

Landale was the player of the game. It's good that we can have heroes stand up from unexpected places on the team. Good to see Landale bounce back from being non-existent against Nigeria.

Same goes gor Baynes and Kay. Excellent game from both.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Is Baynes knee playing up with the low minutes?

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Big Ads  
Two months ago

Rat10, I made the same comment to some of my Pirie mates. Prior to the game I was concerned Gallo would burn our talls from outside.

I suspect he was simply considered too slow for the Boomers up-tempo style but I did notice he was strapped up when he muscled his way to the basket against Kay.

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KET  
Two months ago

Patty was double of triple teamed - we better get used to it.

He played well, he adjusted by distributing the ball.

The rest of the team needs to learn how to move when he isn't in control of the ball, becomes too stagnant.

Kay, Landale, Ingles were huge. Baynes played well.

Exum reluctant to shoot - shoot the damn ball when you’re open.

His drives are dodgy and gets us into trouble.

Matisse needs to be careful with his fouls, otherwise he’s our X factor

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ME  
Two months ago

I think Goorjian is opting to go mobile. There didnt seem to be anything wrong with Baynes movement out there, and he had a game that showed glimpses of his best form. I think baynes is probably in a pretty good place.

I am not sure whether criticism of the Boomers is too harsh. We don't really see Italy as one of the medal level teams but we're not the only presumed "top tier" team having issues dispelling teams we think are lesser - Czech Republic struggled with Iran, Spain actually had to get out of cruise control at times with Japan. I think there is still a lot of building teams are doing, even now.

I think we need more player movement on offense, though, and we need to not be giving up fucking lay ups!

I think we will smooth those things out though as we continue to move forward.

Germany will be a good test for us. Another team we should beat but they're actually the tallest team in the tournament, so it will be a chance for us to look at our bigger line ups and see how we might grapple with teams like France and Spain inside.

It wasn't pretty. It isn't ironed out yet. But we're on track.


As for Delly, yeah I mean you could say he looks 'past it' but he's not doing dumb things. He's handling tough defense. He generally makes the right pass or the right read. I think he still has a stablizing and calming effect on this team that is very important.

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Senator11  
Two months ago

I think Reath is basically there when we come up against teams that are more athletic down low, USA, Nigeria etc. Our bigs can bang with Euro bigs.

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ME  
Two months ago

I think Reath is good enough to warrant regular minutes. So is Josh Green. I am going to blow my stack if I say Nathan Sobey in anything other than a blow out.

I also think Reath should see minutes against the Spains and Frances of the world. He's a legitimately good piece and we need to find him minutes heading into the prickly part of the competition

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KET  
Two months ago

Should have brought Giddey or extra euro big in Motum over Sobey.

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Isaac  
Two months ago

As to why they'd play Exum, the alternative is Delly. Patty played 35 minutes and his playing load was a clear problem at the end of the last WC.

At least they're keen and committed, I guess, but Exum is a gamble on every possession and Delly looks like the veteran grasping for any advantage. There's the PG stocks, if Sobey isn't going to be an option and Mills' is double-teamed. I think Giddey is one of those players who'll be fine at any level and should've been taken in the team.

Simmons in almost any state of mind would've been a massive advantage, obviously. Not going to lose out on shooting when the alternative is Exum.

Mature game from Mills and great spread of contributions from the bigs. Those offensive tips out to guards in the second half were critical. Would've been toast without them.

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Master Chief  
Two months ago

Good win

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Last time I checked we won. That's 2/2. Why are people talking about squad ffs. Get over it. All your alternates are play 5 mins a game at BEST. Negligible at best in the final outcome

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Giddey is not ready and Motum is not fiba type of player
We had cooks, Mccarron for Sobey too.

White is fiba type imo. 6'8 athletic Strong rebounder who can defend anyone.

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ME  
Two months ago

There's definitely room for improvement, but to be fair, we just beat the winner of a pretty tough qualification tournament - a team that managed to beat Serbia in Serbia to even be there. Italy is a tough team and I respect the way they went about it tonight.

We seemed sloppier than them, and like we made more mistakes than them, and yet we clawed away a tough, tough win. There is room for improvement but a lot of reason for optimism. I like that we've shown we can have different heroes on different nights as well.

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RobT  
Two months ago

Agree with all the props our guys are receiving. They deserve the accolades.

Win the 1st game against great players with little team structure by 15 and the 2nd over a great team by 3. 1 to go.

We have Germany next and then the cross-overs, Semi's (?), is that right?

I am not convinced that we are medal shoe-ins yet, let alone Gold, but we are getting to that level fast.

Thankfully, not too many blow-outs so far so it looks like our future opponents are very much just finding their way too and doing what they must to advance.

Further more, with USA losing to France, and whopping Iran, it probably makes them best 2nd-placed so, they will also be seeded. We won't have to face up to France or the USA 1st up. 1 of Slovenia or Spain should top their pool so will be seeded. The other should go to Pool-the-Weaker with Czech Republic and Italy(assuming we beat Germany)(as other 2nd-placers)and a best 3rd-placed as I see it(?).

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

I'm not certain why all are saying Reath should be getting all the raps, more time, he has just finished in Europe and was a bench player at best, in some of the big games never got on. Green should get more time ahead of Sobey.

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KET  
Two months ago

First place and one best second place make it.

Second place will be USA at this rate. Therefore all other teams must finish first to move on

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

I like how the refs are not getting abused by the coaches, the nbl should follow this, British commentator was great as well.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

KET - there are quarter finals. The teams progressing are the top 2 from each pool along with the highest 2 finishing 3rd place teams.

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AngusH  
Two months ago

Baynes had a slip apparently which is why we didn't see him in the 2nd half, to be reevaluated but they think he is OK.

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KET  
Two months ago

Ah I read some where there wasn't.

Damn that’s another game we could choke - too much anxiety!

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The Real Nostraballmus  
Two months ago

The Real Nostraballmus sees that this is not the last time we will see Italy in this conquest.

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proud  
Two months ago

Firstly if someone as brilliant and experienced as Brian Goorjian can't work out the deficiencies in which he needs his team and players to work on then his very able assistants and experienced players should certainly be able to point out to him what is wrong...

Very happy that we didn't have any player in serious foul trouble in this game unlike with Bogut during last Olympics.

So so happy that with Mills being double and triple teamed that our front court stepped up and will give opposition teams more to work on than following our legendary flag bearer around.

Ingles scored 14 in this game and if he averages 14 points per game for the rest of the Tournament then that will help Mills and stretch the floor as should be his role.

As for Italy, it felt with Gallinari not getting as much of the ball and court time as I was expecting going into the game that they were perhaps still keeping their cards close to their chest.

Very exciting game and easily the best basketball we can see on this planet

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

2021 / 2023/2024

Dellevedova - Simmons
Mills - Mills
Ingles - Thybulle
Landale - Landale
Baynes - ? (Maker, Humphries, Magnay, Hunter, Cooks, White)

Exum - Exum
Goulding - ? (Daniels, Mccarron, Vasljevic, King, wmw)
Thybulle - Green
Kay - Kay
Reath - Reath

Sobey - Giddey
Green - ? (another guard/fwd or post player)

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ME  
Two months ago

Yeah there are quarters. It goes like this -

The three first ranked teams and the best second ranked team in pot one.

The rest of the second placed teams and the two best third teams in pot two.

The two pots are randomly drawn against eachother for quarters.

At the moment looks like pot 1

Australia, France, (spain or slovenia), USA

Pot 2

(Slovenia or Spain), Argentina, Italy and Germany

From an update I've seen recently, that I am not sure is true or not, but as far as I understand because of the winning and losing margins in grouo A apparently their third placed team can't be the best placed third placed team. So in that case, the pots are starting to shape up.

Our most likely crossover is one of Slovenia, Spain or Argentina. Most likely either Slovenia or Argentina. I hope to god we get Argentina!

For Nostralballmus to be right on Italy, they'd have to beat one of France, Spain, Slovenia or USA and meet us in the semis or medals.

Pretty uphill road for them to travel. Really unless you're sitting pretty in pot 1, as we seem to be, you've got an uphill battle to the medals.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Slovenia aren't that great, throw Thybulle on doncic. The rest of the guys rely on him too much.

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ME  
Two months ago

I am sure a lot of teams probably think that of Patty and the Boomers...

But while I agree with you, when you're dealing with a guy like Doncic, you have to accept that he's going to push that team well beyond where they should be in this tournament. He's that good.

Should we beat them? I'd say yes. But I'd much prefer take on Argentina who, frankly, aren't very good if we're being honest.

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LV  
Two months ago

Very happy to be 2-0 and heading for the quarter finals

Our offense is more iso and less high post, less movement and constant screening.

It's personnel based (missing the elite post passer Bogut) and Goorjian has changed things up.

Either way, we seem to be struggling to create scores in the half court. So many of our points were generated from either fast breaks, 2nd chances, or just broken plays, or created by Patty. But in the half court it feels like we've dropped off a long way from Rio and the WC.

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rjd  
Two months ago

Unlike in previous tournaments where a superstar single-handedly smashes us, I'm thinking Nash, Sabonis, etc, this time we actually have strong defenders as options against Doncic. Although I'm still very fearful of us playing against Slovenia.

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LV  
Two months ago

Is the 2nd ranked team who earns top 4 seeding based on %?

If so, then USA smashing Iran by 60 odd would mean they're highly likely to be the 4th team who goes straight through and avoids the lottery. (Assuming USA also beats Czech Republic of course).

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ME  
Two months ago

There were flashes of Kay creating in the high post that were shown against Team USA. Wonder if we'll get back to that.

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Perthworld  
Two months ago

No quarter finals? Classic.

Since people evidently don't read:

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rjd  
Two months ago

6 games to win gold? Soon they will just replace the tournament with a lottery draw. It feels like these group games don't have the same urgency to perform well in, especially compared with the World Cup.

Teams mostly look ill-prepared from the games I've seen. Are 3 group games enough to get into good enough form to be playing quality basketball by the time the elimination stage begins? The Boomers are well off their 2019 form, at least at the offensive end.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

My guess ends up like

France
USA
Czech
Iran

Australia
Italy
Germany
Nigeria

Spain
Slovenia
Japan
Argentina



1/4s - 8 teams
France
USA
Czech or japan (close atm)
Australia
Italy
Germany
Spain
Slovenia


Out
Iran
Nigeria
Argentina
Czech or Japan

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Perthworld  
Two months ago

It's fine as they only have two weeks. From a Boomers perspective I prefer this format considering how fatigue cost us a medal at the last World Cup.

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rjd  
Two months ago

"Czech or japan (close atm)"

Does this mean we have a 1/4 chance of being matched up with one of these two teams? I know the Czech's have chemistry, but whoever gets one of these opponents practically gets a ticket to the semis.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Nah they don't, don’t underestimate either team.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Togashi on Delly
Baba on mills
Watanabe on ingles
Hachimura on Landale
EdwRds on Baynes


It's a team that could beat us like 2 years ago.

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proud  
Two months ago

If we were to play Slovenia, would anyone be all for Thybulle starting for Ingles and chasing him for every second that he is on court to try and nullify his impact and have Ingles come off the bench as the spark that we need... well Kay is brilliant but he's more of a consistent controlled heart than a flame thrower and Goulding has cooled off recently as he saves it for the medal match.

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Nostraballmus  
Two months ago

Are the quarters decided by a random draw from the pots? ie team drawn at random from Pot A v team drawn at Random pot B ? Would this not mean that Aust could get Italy or Germany in the QF ? Or is there som emechanism preventing QF v teams from own pool ? Asking for a friend :)

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Nostraballmus  
Two months ago

All g answwered my own question. From FIBA

A draw will take place following the conclusion of the Group Phase to determine the pairings of the Quarter-Finals. The winners of the groups (3 teams) and the second-placed team with the best result (1 team) from the Group Phase are placed in one pot (D), while the 2 remaining second-placed teams and 2 best third-placed teams in another pot (E). Teams from the same group in the Group Phase cannot be drawn against each other in the Quarter-Finals.

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KET  
Two months ago

"Teams to be drawn on 2nd August"

As in anyone who gets through could play anyone, ie we could have two 1st place finishers playing each other?

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LV  
Two months ago

My understanding is the top 4 is matched up against the next 4 via a random lottery

So no top 4 teams will play each other in the QF

But how do they rank the top 4? eg USA would be the 4th, and should play the top ranked 4th finisher in the semi (Assuming they both win their QF)?

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LV  
Two months ago

top ranked 1st* finisher I mean

At this rate, Boomers will be 2nd or 3rd ranked 1st finisher, so would avoid USA in a semi (assuming my assumption above re top 4 rankings).

So assuming top ranked teams won the quarters, we'd be scheduled to play Spain or Slovenia in a semi. And France would rematch with USA.

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LV  
Two months ago

Just thinking out loud here, but would France rest players against Iran to avoid USA in a semi? To try and finish 2nd or 3rd of the 1st finishers instead of 1st?

Maybe the new system hasn't completely gotten rid of gamesmanship and thrown matches?

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LV  
Two months ago

Or are the top 3 by lottery also, avoiding this issue?

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LV  
Two months ago

Here at section 177

http://www.fiba.basketball/en/Module/85132837-66aa-4ff3-a063-8cdfe44ea14d/af6105e1-fac3-4456-8430-ee55ed3d2196

"The qualified teams shall be divided into two (2) pots. Pot D shall consist of the winners
of the groups and the second-placed team with the best result from the Group Phase,
which shall be established according to the FIBA Official Basketball Rules, Chapter D
- Classification of Teams"

And here

http://www.fiba.basketball/documents/official-basketball-rules-yellow/2020.pdf

From a quick skim it doesnt seem to resolve the issue of whether the top 3 are a lottery but I'm assuming top 3 is based on %. We'll see!

If Aussies go 3-0 and avoid USA in potential semi thats a pretty good result. Getting Japan or Czech in a QF would make it even better!

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rjd  
Two months ago

I think it must be a draw for match-ups, but there must be a way to avoid being if drawn against another team from the same first round group. An individual re-draw to avoid that outcome?

This means there are 3 possibilities for ua in the draw, so it's a 1 in 3 chance for us to be matched with a team from the lower ranked pot E. Surely semi-final match-ups are randomly assigned through the draw?

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Follow the money, Spain will be looked after. ::))))

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Perthworld  
Two months ago

Surely semi-final match-ups are randomly assigned through the draw?

The random draw for the quarter final matchups includes laying out the rest of the bracket.

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rjd  
Two months ago

So if it is Spain vs Japan/Czech, for God's sake, someone please find the location of the FIBA headquarters.

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Perthworld  
Two months ago

As is the norm FIBA are super vague on any details. Anyone know where their head office is located so we can hit them up for more information?

Since the new format was introduced to prevent tanking in the group stages the random draw is to select the quarter final matchups between the top four and bottom four teams.

My assumptions are:

Since it has been published the quarter final draw includes the rest of the bracket makeup then if say the top four win their quarter finals it would be 1v4 and 2v3 in the semis using traditional seeding.

Typically these tournament formats include mandatory crossover and group protection to avoid duplicated matchups too early on so Germany or Italy would not be possible opponents we face in the quarter final stage.

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Mat B  
Two months ago

>>But in the half court it feels like we've dropped off a long way from Rio and the WC.<<

Very much agree. Our execution has evidently regressed from Rio and the WC

A lot of our points in both games so far have been opportunistic and there's been a distance lack of offensive structire or movement.
Numerous times last night we played keepings off at the perimeter with no assertiveness and actually looked clearly confused and afraid to attack.

At the very least, can we have some high-low action set a few down screens, high screens and back cuts?

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ME  
Two months ago

I think we might need to question swapping Lemanis for Goorjian a bit, especially if offensive struggles continue. Yes, Bogut. I get it. Bogut makes a lot of things possible. But it's not like Bogut was on the court every minute, and even when he wasn't the offense had purpose.

The offense looked Rio-esque against the USA a few weeks ago so I'll be interested to know if there's a reason why the team has moved away from that. Is it to do with match ups? Are we still playing the 'long game' and keeping some things to ourselves?

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ME  
Two months ago

No need for assumptions PW, you cant be drawn against a team from you're own pool in the quarter finals, which means we face one of Spain, Slovenia or Argentina (whoever comes second or third) in the quarters with too many teams too far ahead in group A for Czech to be one of the two best third placed teams - unless crazy shit happens in group C.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Group A
France
USA

Group B
Australia
Italy
Germany

** if Australia loses to Germany by 1 to 6 will drop to 2nd in pool. If Australia loses to Germany by 7 or more will drop to 3rd in pool. Assumes that Italy beats Nigeria. If Germany wins by 11 they would go to the #1 seed. The 2nd or 3rd seeds are likely to cross over to the loser of the Slovenia/Spain game.

Group C
Slovenia
Spain
Japan/Argentina

Top 4 Teams
Likely
Australia, France, Spain/Slovenia, USA

If Australia finishes 1st in pool, possible draw is against loser of Spain/Slovenia or Japan/Argentina/Czech.

France likely to play - Italy/Germany/ loser Spain/Slovenia, or Japan/Argentina/Czech.

USA likely to play - Italy/Germany/ loser Spain/Slovenia, or Japan/Argentina/Czech.

Winner of Spain/Slovenia - to play Italy or Germany

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Senator11  
Two months ago

I found a PDF last night of how it plays out in the qualifying finals. Top of each group play each other and so forth from the looks of it. Example.

Group 1
Australia
France
Slovenia
USA

Group 2
Spain
Japan
Argentina
Czech

Australia vs Spain
France vs Japan
Slovenia vs Argentina
USA vs Czech

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KET  
Two months ago

Should be best v worst based on scores and points difference.

After that lottery it if necessary.

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Perthworld  
Two months ago

Senator11 - no. It's already been explained.

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ME  
Two months ago

Its a random draw. It would make no sense for the competition to weed out the best teams by making 1 and 1 play eachother.

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Perthworld  
Two months ago

Very exciting game and easily the best basketball we can see on this planet

I absolutely love our rare encounters with European sides. Can we get an invite to EuroBasket? We're already in Eurovision so why not?

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Senator11  
Two months ago

Ah yep, I see it says quarter finals pairings will be done on a specific date. I was looking at how they showed the matchups, D1 vs E1, D2 vs E2 etc.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Any update on Baynes? I didn't see his injury?

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Yes it was a classic game of pure basketball, I certainly enjoy it more than the nba game. Well done to both teams.

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ME  
Two months ago

I didn't see the injury either but the word has been that he should be fine. I think absolute worst case scenario he misses against Germany then comes back. we shouldn't have too much trouble with Germany I shouldn't think.

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Woody  
Two months ago

Why isn't 2 groups of 6 top 4 make quarters like always. 8 games to win good.

This format is just 6 games. Way too short.

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