TheDawg
Two months ago

Is it time we hand Ben Simmons back to the US?

With his current attitude towards the 76ers (getting thrown out of practice today for example), surely the boomers wouldn't go anywhere near him now given how much the postive culture is part of their recent success.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

I hope he never plays for the boomers.

USA or any other country that wants him can have him.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

He can't play for anybody else but the boomers. Smh

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RobT  
Two months ago

Anonymous wrote;
"I hope he never plays for the boomers."

Another one replied with;
"He can't play for anybody else but the boomers. Smh"

Not saying, just asking. Is that how "karma" works?
...If he ever decides that he wants an Olympic Gold and the Boomers deny him the chance, AND THEY DO COME HOME WITH THEIR FIRST GOLD!





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TheDawg  
Two months ago

What has he actually won? Of the top of my head it's probably just a high school championship? (and I'm only guessing he probably won that...)

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Hoopie  
Two months ago

https://www.news.com.au/sport/american-sports/nba/not-here-to-babysit-petulant-ben-simmons-kicked-out-suspended-by-76ers/news-story/acad09893f4d1ef511aa4025532ea0fd

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Jock  
Two months ago

Why does he have to be such a knob?
Why does he ooze so much attitude...
So talented, yet such an ass!

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

What did they really expect forcing him to come. Not mature, but he made his feelings known. Should've just said stay at home till you're traded. Would be funny, imo, when he plays to just jack up 3s everytime he touches it.

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KET  
Two months ago

Lacks that Aussie grit and humble nature of Mills, Delly, Ingles

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

To be honest I don't blame Ben, he was thrown out to the wolves and under the bus by his star team mate and his coach after the finals. Those comments were not needed to be made publicly, have your conversations with Ben and the team, don’t hang him out.

Also I can almost guarantee the same "Australians" that are saying Ben should show up and train and have the Aussie grit and attitude are the same parents that pull there kids out of a club team because little Johnny didn’t play 5 extra minutes or couldn’t quite make D1 so instead of working harder, you spit the dummy and move.

The Sixers need to trade him, they obviously don’t rate him highly but they want the Ferrari price tag for what they believe is a Toyota Corolla.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Anyone that uses the word ass has no cred here.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Spent to much time in US and loss his aussie toughness

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LV  
Two months ago

He's not a cultural fit for the Boomers.

Or any successful team.

Unless he quickly grows up.

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Dave Q  
Two months ago

I would love to know what the strategy here is by Klutch. Clearly they are not fools, and obviously Ben is acting out a role here. There has to be a bigger picture here, surely?

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ME  
Two months ago

"To be honest I don't blame Ben, he was thrown out to the wolves and under the bus by his star team mate and his coach after the finals. Those comments were not needed to be made publicly, have your conversations with Ben and the team, don't hang him out."


No, fuck this take. The guy spent 5 years in the league and never made a noticeable improvement in his biggest deficit - his shooting - despite having specialist coaches to help him do it. His brain clearly wasn in that last playoff game, and there are reports now that he was trying to get out of playing Game 7 v Hawks by pretending he had a COVID contact. Now if the 76ers believe that, and they see the way he played out the end of the gamne, why wouldn't they criticize him? Any time anyone asked him about his shooting, he'd just arrogantly mention his stats, as though him having a glaring weakness didn't matter. Well it did. It did matter. Now he's getting what he deserves for it and reacting like an absolute clown in the process.

"I would love to know what the strategy here is by Klutch. Clearly they are not fools, and obviously Ben is acting out a role here. There has to be a bigger picture here, surely?"

I don't think this helps his career in the slightest. If the 76ers couldn't trade him before him being kicked out it'll be even harder now. I see this clown show getting even more silly before the end of the season.

"I hope he never plays for the boomers."

Safest bet is that he doesn't. The Boomers have created such a great culture and they dont need that sullied by a one-man show who thinks the world exists to cater to him. Josh Giddey will bring a lot of intangibles to the Boomers that Simmons otherwise would (bar the athleticism), so I am not too worried if Ben never plays a Boomers game. It's probably preferable that he doen't. There has been a lot of fiascos around Ben and the Boomers, including the strongarming of the team to get him to play the Melbourne series where Lemanis and the team were basically threatened by the Victorian government, and then when they agreed, he just disappeared into thin air. For Ben to play for the Boomers, I'd want to see that he's matured from where he is now, that he is committed, that he is willing to play the role the team needs (not just the role he wants to play), and that all of this bipolar type behaviour is done with before I'd even waste time putting him in camp. I think we can all appreciate that Ben's reality as an NBA All star is different to that of the other Boomers, but from what we can see his communication with the team for the entire journey has been piss poor at best.

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4 real  
Two months ago

I mean, he could have gone full Jimmy Butler and set fire to the practice gym. That'd be the best way to handle it if he had an ounce of competitive spirit.

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Chairman Of The Bored  
Two months ago

I said it before the Olympics, the sooner Australia collectively forgets about trying to get this wanker to play for our National Team the better. We'll find more success from playing like a team with the culture that has been built than trying to graft in someone with (some) great skills and athleticism that doesn't want to be there or is only there for their own personal reasons. Same goes for Cambage in the Womens Team. Don't select them, don't chase them. Those that are hungry to play for their country will put it all on the floor and not be a constant distraction.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

What was said to him at the end of last season wasn't that harsh, you get worse in the playground.

He’s had every door open for him, show where any of his teams have won anything.

It proves to be great at anything you have to be the full package and in Simmons case he’s not mentally tough despite all the other quality items.

Where to now? It’s a shit fight, quite sad actually, certainly for us punters that love the game.

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Crackers65  
Two months ago

Poor Benny, I think it's terrible the way everyone is picking on him. He has always picked the team he played for. Up until the 76ers daddy has picked the team he played for that suited and spoilt Ben. Even when he came to philly, Brown was supposedly a family friend who gave him the keys to the team. Now it not going well it’s time to move on again. So what if he has a contract, he’s Ben Simmons.

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rjd  
Two months ago

"thrown under the bus by his star team mate and his coach after the finals"

Reviewing this, I'd argue he wasn't thrown under the bus. Rivers and Embiid were just refreshingly honest. Rivers was asked if Simmons could lead a team to the championship. He replied "I don't know". It's not the typical PR garbage we usually hear from coaches, but his answer ought to be a true and not so harsh assessment. Embiid said he thought the turning point was Simmons passing it off. An overrated moment, but that play certainly may have been a turning point. Embiid is known for his honest takes.

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Bol  
Two months ago

Agreed ME!!!

He's probably lost the few supporters in his corner now after his latest display of petulance. What a disgrace to show up to training with that attitude! Yeah the comments that were made publicly about him by coach and teammates were inappropriate. And i would be pissed about it too. But he's a professional athlete and he would have earned a lot of respect if he came back with a pro attitude and mended relationships and heaven forbid showed improvements in his game. So much time has gone by to still be holding onto a grudge. Deserves to be suspended.

I really want to see him play for the Boomers one day but i want to see him beg for the opportunity even more!

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RobT  
Two months ago

The question in my mind is, "Is it time we hand Ben Simmons some slack?"

Me, everything you wrote above is fairly right and I am hoping that you'll agree with me (small "m") that no sane person behaves like Simmons does, sacrificing his career, fame and fortune, with nothing to gain, like he is doing.

Is it possible that he is not sane?

What then? Do we flood these threads with teary apologies. "I'm sooo sorry, Ben. I didn't know."

I still want to know what's going on, just not what a prick he is, all the time.

If I'm right, get well soon, Ben. And help the Boomers to their 1st Gold. If I am not, then go ahead and burn him (no, not me, he's the prick, I'm just nuts!).

Finally, how would you feel if Simmons (even the prick one), was the difference between Boomers Gold and any other inferior metals? Would you really leave him out and deny the rest of us our 1st men's basketball Gold?

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ME  
Two months ago

All Ben got was justifiable criticism but in his own head, he's above criticism and should be allowed to play however he feels. Nothing that was said about him was so unbelievably harsh that he should be doing what he's doing. I just think he's soft, he's been coddled all of his life, he has no concept of adversity, and childishness is the only way he knows how to react. If he had faced criticism in his younger years and didn't have daddy rescue him from every team and situation that didn't massage has ball sack then maybe he'd develop some coping mechanisms by now that would allow him to approach this situation like an adult. But all I am seeing is Ben acting offended by a pretty minor slight on behalf of 76ers players and management, taking it way too much to heart, and basically running away from the challenge rather than embrace it. You could easily consider the comments made as "tough love" and if he had a killer instinct, he would be out to prove it all wrong. But if anything he's displayed even more mental weakness than before, and he's dropping his trade value by the day.

But this impasse is quite interesting: Philly wont trade him for anything less than a superstar. No teams are willing to trade like that for him. Ben doesn't want to play. But if he doesn't play, he wont get paid. It's a question of who will budge first? Will Ben change his attitude for money or will Philly trade for even less?

I have a feeling Ben will have to budge before Philly do. If I were Philly I'd just keep suspending him. It's a messed up situation for them, especially, to be in., But the end result might be a superstar NBA talent that no team wants anymore.

If I were to give Ben a word of advice of any kind, it would be DROP YOUR MANAGEMENT. The people around you aren't guiding you right. This could ruin your entire career. Get your fucking head together.

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ME  
Two months ago

"Is it possible that he is not sane?"

It's possible. Look at his sister and the bipolar circus her life is. That shit runs in families.

"Finally, how would you feel if Simmons (even the prick one), was the difference between Boomers Gold and any other inferior metals? Would you really leave him out and deny the rest of us our 1st men's basketball Gold?"

Well we cant know the answer to that. I'd take a cohesive team with full buy in over what Ben Simmons is showing at this point in his career. Lets see what things look like in 2-3 years.

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RobT  
Two months ago

Well, said.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

#538 the point is internationally he can only play for Australia. He cannot play for any other country

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ME  
Two months ago

All I can say is this isnt the behaviour of the great players. This is what the lockerroom cancers behave like. If Ben truly believes he is destined to be one of the great players in this game, there is NO WAY he could be behaving like this.

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Luuuc  
Two months ago

I volunteer to step in and be his conservator

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hoopie  
Two months ago

https://screenrant.com/ben-simmons-basketball-76ers-kardashian-curse-kendall-jenner/

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Cram  
Two months ago

Klutch management get away with a lot of crap because they generally represent some of the biggest name so can pressure teams that way. I think we're seeing a consequence of thinking you're big enough to get away with that and being called out on it.

I think we need to get away from talk of "sane" or not. It isnt helpful. Someone can be battling issues, be getting poor advice, have negative influences around them which can explain (but not excuse) some decision making. IT doesn't come down to "should we feel sorry for them or rag them out?" Its far more complicated than that.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Nicely said Cram.

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ME  
Two months ago

For Ben it's a pattern of behaviour. You might be able to excuse any one of the many things he's done that have pissed people off, but when you put it all together, it just indicates a personality flaw and one that runs pretty deep. People can blame his current activity on the fact that 76ers "threw him under the bus" (if you want to believe that), but then what about everything else? Not develpong a shot. Messing around the Boomers. The Crown Casino fiasco (which was as simple as him not wanting normal treatment and before anyomne says 'but his white brother's ID wasnt checked, his brother is in his 30s), and everything else. I feel like there is a mental health issue with Ben.

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Cram  
Two months ago

Again I don't think its about blaming anyone (or anything) its about understanding that decisions (good and bad) don't happen in a vacuum.

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ME  
Two months ago

Well that's just absolving blame for Ben while he's been in the center of so many bad decisions.

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RobT  
Two months ago

I am reading this all as objectively as I can and I have to admit that some of you are making it really hard. And I don't want to be seen as just bagging other posters and their posts.

Love you, Me but on this one, you opened with;
"For Ben it's a pattern of behaviour. You might be able to excuse any one of the many things he's done that have pissed people off, but when you put it all together, it just indicates a personality flaw and one that runs pretty deep."
[EXACTLY! AND YOU DON'T TAKE A COUPLE OF ASPRINS FOR IT AND GET ON WITH LIFE.]

But did You stop there? That would have been ok. No way. Here's your next paragraph;
"People can blame his current activity on the fact that 76ers "threw him under the bus" (if you want to believe that), but then what about everything else? Not develpong a shot. Messing around the Boomers. The Crown Casino fiasco (which was as simple as him not wanting normal treatment and before anyomne says 'but his white brother's ID wasnt checked, his brother is in his 30s), and everything else."
[BACK TO BAGGING HIM. STRAIGHT AFTER YOU ADMIT "A PERSONALITY FLAW AND ONE THAT RUNS PRETTY DEEP".]

You finish with, "I feel like there is a mental health issue with Ben."
[THEN WHY ARE YOU STILL DRAWING ATTENTION TO THE NEGATIVES?]

Sorry, Me. I generally like your comments and going back and forth with you but on this one, you baffle me. I actually don't know which side you are on (and that really doesn't matter to me), that he's a prick or he's sick (in this discussion, one or the other, can't be both).

WHICH IS IT?

[I have to admit that I was as pissed as most of you over the Boomers' saga. Then the Phillie bit erupted and I thought to myself that's good. He hates others as well as us. Then I went all hypothetical with a "what if he's not sane" in Simmons' defence. Now, I just don't know so the bagging is no longer (never was) appropriate.]

I have lost the anger, I have won a Bronze.

Simmons is still losing, EVERYTHING.

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Cram  
Two months ago

"Well that's just absolving blame for Ben while he's been in the center of so many bad decisions."

I very specifically did not do that

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koberulz  
Two months ago

that he's a prick or he's sick (in this discussion, one or the other, can't be both).
Of course it can be both.

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ME  
Two months ago

Well depends how you define "personality flaw" RobT. I believe he has a mental problem of some sort, maybe a personality disorder, but none of that absolves him of his behaviour. It wouldn't surprise me if most of the population has some sort of mental issue but that doesn't mean they're blameless either. Ben is an adult and he understands right from wrong. He's not so insane that he has no concept of what he is doing. He'll have to wear the consequences like the rest of us./

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RobT  
Two months ago

That, I can and do respect, Me. Thanks. I agree with that. Not that it matters whether I agree or not. But I do!

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LoveBroker  
Two months ago

What Doc and Embiid said at the end of their last game vs the Hawks was quite tame.

Its hardly throwing anyone under a bus.

Doc said he wasn't sure if Ben is a person that can take him to the promised land. Given that series, that rings true, and he never said Ben CAN'T do it or is a poor player.

Embiid identified a crucial play where the game turned (against them), again probably a valid observation and does not say Ben is poor or useless.

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ME  
Two months ago

In the end, blame is with Ben. Secondly it's with the circle Ben has put around him.

This reminds me of Michael Jackson almost, when a guy gets too big for his boots and the norms of reality seemingly no longer apply to him. As soon as someone in his camp questions him, he fires them, and then before long he's having sleepovers that no one dares question him on which, regardless where you stand on guilt or innocence, is something any advisor with balls would have advised strongly against (Side tangent, I know)

Feels the same for me with Ben. He's created a circle of people who will just parrot his weird feeling back to him. There just doesn't seem to be a voice of reason in that camp telling Ben that his behaviour is causing irreparable damage to his brand. He'd be better off requesting a trade but actually PLAYING for the 76ers and proving his worth than doing this.

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UseTaHoop  
Two months ago

Mental health and personality are very different to separate. Which comes first? Or does another factor influence both?

BUT he made The Betoota Advocate today, at least:

"This generational talent who has spent his whole life around people telling him he's a god needs to be more grounded"

“It’s like it’s gone to his head or something”


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LoveBroker  
Two months ago

Coming back to training just to collect a pay cheque, then putting in a half effort to me is even more disgraceful than not showing up at all.

At least with the latter you have shown conviction.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Sad this guy turned out to be an absolute buffoon.

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1969  
Two months ago

It seems we have a few time bombs when they become stars. Nick Krygios and his mate kokannassis, , LLeyton Hewitt, Mark Phillippoussis.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

This has turned into a massive circus, but not the first time for an athlete. Look at Harden last year, just showed up totally out of shape and got what he wanted. In nfl it happens all the time, don't show up to training camp and try and force the teams hand. Simmons has just played the situation so childishly it's blown out.
But what do Philadelphia do? If Simmons just shows up and doesn't totally throw all his toys out of his crib at training, players association are going to get into it and appeal fines. Teams know they're desperate and won't send any decent deal their way. I'd be looking at Sacramento and Minnesota and taking whatever they're offering. Russell was an all star in Brooklyn and would plug in as the starter, whatever else they get is a bonus. Hield and especially Bagley are unhappy, package them together and totally build around Embiid. But asking for 4 firsts and swaps ain't gonna happen. Maybe a couple, but they're boxed in. Just get a deal done, the longer it goes on the worse it'll get. As for someone like Lillard, as the great Daryl Kerrigan said, tell em they're dreaming.
And his criticism after postseason wasn't great, but wasn't worst either. But knowing that he's mentally fragile and a sook, Rivers should take some blame for situation. Embiid just says whatever, but as the coach, Doc should know better. Thought his hiring was a big mistake, but didn't think it would be a press conference that would be his worst mistake.
Tbh, totally sick of the whole situation. Just send him home till trade is done. But imagine the response in his return game in of all places Philly. I remember LeBrons 1st game back in Cleveland, that was crazy but will pale in comparison!

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Kev  
Two months ago

This guy looks like a locker room cancer. Who is going to spend big coin recruiting him in the future? Likely no one is paying top price ever again.

Did he buy his flight tickets to London to attend Wimbledon before he started game 6?

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Nba should step in, cancel the remain g years on contract and he becomes free agent.
Teams can then determine his worth.

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Big Ads  
Two months ago

Once he's out of Philly, I doubt he'll ever go back.

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LoveBroker  
Two months ago

Nba should step in, cancel the remain g years on contract and he becomes free agent.
Teams can then determine his worth.


What about ummm...Philly?

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Philly no longer pay# remaining 4 years

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D2.0  
Two months ago

"The guy spent 5 years in the league and never made a noticeable improvement in his biggest deficit - his shooting - despite having specialist coaches to help him do it."

Yeah, what a total arse, he plays sport and doesn't do what you want him to.

If players were allowed to choose their team, and weren't traded like commodities, maybe there'd be a bit more loyalty. Who knows.

It's not like he's been offered more money by team X, and has demanded to go there. Clearly there is a deep rift between him and the organisation. Either the coach, management, or both.
He wants out, and the smart thing would have been to make that happen. WTF did they think was going to happen if they try to force him to play? He's going to play his arse off for a coach he clearly has a massive problem with?

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Train  
Two months ago

This speaks volumes.
https://twitter.com/chrisanstey13/status/1450740703009468416?s=21

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

I for 1 would Love Ben Simmons on the Boomers.
He would be Perfect - the Ultimate Team Oriented Player and would take so much Pressure off of Patty and provide the Best Level of Defence we ever had.

But yeah , all you Haters can keep on Hating - it's a Free World.

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rjd  
Two months ago

Didn't Simmons also have problems with his LSU coach playing him at the 4? And Lemanis because he was cut from the 2014 team? And now Rivers? Did he have issues with Brown, or did Brown being a family friend help in this?

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Perthworld  
Two months ago

He had issues with Brown too - there was a story how Brett had to call his parents up to tell them about Ben not listening to him.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Johnathan Givony and a lot of draft predictions said he's not a number one pick for all the reason that have caught up with him, friendship got him top spot.
This does not mean he wasn’t first round talent, it just shows he won’t or can’t fix his deficiencies and believes all the hype on how good he is. Hopefully a change to different club can make him realise he’s got change and improve.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

He should just get into one little fight so his mum gets scared.

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