Curtley
Last year

NBL crowds bigger than A-League last round

Just 39K turned up to six A-League games over the weekend versus 45K for six NBL games.

Apart from the USA i doubt any other country would see that happen ever even when u consider leagues may be played at different times throughout the year.

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Anonymous  
Last year

Worth noting that half of that NBL attendance total was from the two Perth games.

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Anonymous  
Last year

Take Perth away and those numbers are shit to say the least the NBL is growing and getting better but all this bs hype and constant bs to try and make it look better then it is actually shows how far it has to go.

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Curtley  
Last year

There was one A-league crowd of 14k and the rest averaged 5k.

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Anonymous  
Last year

The headlines one day will be "A League makes money"! Who gives a shit about their attendances really.

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Zodiac  
Last year

The 36ers crowd was only 4,800 I think that's the lowest crowd yet since the move to AEC.

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Perthworld  
Last year

Not aurprised. I'm a massive football fan and I have to say the A-League is complete garbage.

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Perthworld  
Last year

surprised*

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Cram  
Last year

Perth definitely holding up things as usual. Its a great effort regardless of the specifics and could turn some heads.

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ME  
Last year

I think perth and sydney had decent crowds, the rest were underwhelming.

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Anonymous  
Last year

"I think perth and sydney had decent crowds, the rest were underwhelming. "

Yes. However, I was wondering what impact the SA attitude towards COVID may have had. We've been pretty conservative and risk averse and the recent outbreak may have discouraged some people from going to a large indoor event like Sunday's game. Add in that it's less than 3 weeks from Xmas - it was busier than usual when I was out shopping Sunday lunchtime. Thirdly, the game time was deadset in the middle of Sunday lunch, which would have discouraged some folks.

I wonder if we'll see a better crowd for next Sunday's home game, or whether the crowds won't pick up until after Xmas?

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Anonymous  
Last year

A wins a win, yes Perth are great but they are in the competition, so have to be counted.

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Anonymous  
Last year

I think our biggest issue is that it's a Sunday. It's just the worst day for a game. Actually felt sorry for the players having to get themselves up for such an early time slot. Full credit to Perth, just great crowds game in game out.

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LoveBroker  
Last year

I think people are slowly getting used to a living with COVID world, some may be hesitant to attend or attend with a mask.

Pre COVID we were hitting attendance records (our own NBL ones), so the product itself is attractive just the circumstances are not ideal.

All clubs seems to be active on social media promoting the games / players, some to a higher degree but still actively promoted so its not due to laziness.

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Anonymous  
Last year

South Australia has had a total of 53 cases since re-opening their borders 2 weeks ago.

53 cases. In a city of 1.3 million.

And COVID is keeping crowd numbers down?

Everyone's probably gonna get covid eventually, at some stage in the next 3 or 4 years.

Are people going to keep living under a rock forever?

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LV  
Last year

^me

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LoveBroker  
Last year

Yes where people have been relatively unscathed by COVID the new normal can be daunting.

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PyroCross  
Last year

It would be interesting for some research company to do a popularity comparison between the major domestic sporting leagues.

Whilst AFL and NRL hold significant attention, and BBL by virtue of the sport involved sits prominently, how would A-League, NBL and Super Rugby rank by comparison?

Though the A-League relied upon former noteworthy football players for marketing/audience (eg. Del Piero in Sydney), that route has diminished as time has gone on. Compare that to the NBL's recent success (and the rabid fan turnout in Perth), and it doesn't surprise me that the NBL is attracting comparable spectators.

The question of how the A-League makes (or promotes) a profit is a good one though.

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Anonymous  
Last year

"I think perth and sydney had decent crowds, the rest were underwhelming."

Maybe elsewhere, but the Tassie Jack Jumpers sold out.

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KET  
Last year

" Maybe elsewhere, but the Tassie Jack Jumpers sold out."

With such a small stadium they'd damn well better sell out

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Perthworld  
Last year

The question of how the A-League makes (or promotes) a profit is a good one though.

There is no profit - it bleeds money.

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LV  
Last year

I'm not sure if it's realistic for NBL clubs to make a profit.

It's something us fans better hope rich guys keep doing out of love and fun.

Few of us are across all the details that become publicly available, but from looking into this in the past, as best I could ascertain there's only about 4 sporting clubs in Australia who make a sizeable profit ($1mil plus). They were West Coast, Hawthorn, Brisbane Broncos...and Collingwood maybe? I can't even recall who they were.

But I know the majority of AFL clubs make a profit (pre-covid). But it's mostly tiny profits, except the 2 or 3 powerhouses.

Maybe half of NRL clubs make profit?

But NBL, A League etc, I doubt there would've been any time in their entire histories where the majority of clubs were making money.

I'm not sure that's a statement which could be definitively proven either way, but I'd be confident it's true.

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LV  
Last year

I'd love to see information on this too, if anyone has time to dig properly.

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proud  
Last year

Yeah I think we will revisit why $70m was spent to upgrade the DEC and yet when they sell out and break a Tasmanian record for a basketball game, it's looked upon in contempt... they should have made a 10k seat venue to encourage those from the north to be able to feel like they can get a seat or two at all games.... and if they couldn't then that would be all the more impressive

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ME  
Last year

Profits, losses, it actually doesn't directly matter. Owners are using these clubs as a tax offset for their other assets and when everything is all weighed up between their other interests, they lose less in tax by owning a club than if they didn't. If the owners were legitimately losing money for owning NBL clubs the NBL simply would not exist. Simple as that

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LV  
Last year

I'm not sure whether that's the case.

But even so, losing money but getting some tax benefit is still losing money.

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Anonymous  
Last year

"But even so, losing money but getting some tax benefit is still losing money."

Not necessarily. Depends on whether some of the costs of running the NBL team business are charges for goods and services provided by other companies you own, and whether/how those companies are taxed. e.g., set up an overseas based company to provide management services to the club, charge a management fee well above what hiring the staff etc. costs you, then localise the costs while exporting the revenue. Similarly for hiring office equipment, accounting services etc.

I've no idea if any club owners have adopted practices like this but it's not uncommon for businesses to adopt these sorts of structures these days. Especially those with overseas investors.

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LV  
Last year

Those types of arrangements are used to export Aussie profits to lower taxing overseas jurisdictions.

If you're not making Aussie profits because your club's losing money, what's the point? You're still losing money.

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Old Coach  
Last year

I am/was a big A-League fan and I think the quality is high unlike one poster above. However A-league lost me when they moved away from Kayo, I am not paying for another service just to watch A-League.

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Lovebroker  
Last year

Clubs still have to spend a dollar for their parent group to claim back 30c.

Yes it IS a tax offset, but a very expensive one.

I think primarily you would do it because you love the sport (Walsh) / the vision / satisfaction of building something (Bendat), to look important (Smith).

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ME  
Last year

There is also the opportunity the club creates to network and create other opportunities with your other businesses. Let's be completely frank here, if all anyone got from an NBL club was losing money, they'd not exist. There is a clear upside to having these clubs. Yes, tax offset. And yes, also networking and the ability to connect with other businesses that comes from having that type of asset.

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Zodiac  
Last year

And yes, also networking and the ability to connect with other businesses that comes from having that type of asset.


In some instances you could even find the state premier sitting next to you at every home game.

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