Anonymous
Earlier this year

36ers Arena or AEC

Three seasons into the move and what's people's thoughts now? Crowds are way down, starting to hover around the worst numbers the 36ers experienced at the Powerhouse/Dome/Titanium/Arena.

For me there is a few factors at play:

* Covid obviously plays a role

* The stadium sightlines are awful, especially below the concourse or in the corners, and once people realised this past year one it was going to damage crowd numbers.

* The atmosphere is terrible, too big, too empty, often better off watching at home.

* The mismanagement of the playing roster. Seems like for a few years in a row now JVG has been determined to ship out anyone who's a crowd favourite.

Now the sixers are discounting tickets and can't even get decent numbers.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

"Covid obviously plays a role"

I think you can't underplay the impact of COVID restrictions on this season and the associated impact on attendance at NBL games generally. Here's my go at assessing that.

NBL average crowds for the last few seasons (https://www.austadiums.com/sport/comp/nbl):

2021/22 - 5,220
2020/21 - 4,012
2019/20 - 7,003
2018/19 - 6,615
2017/18 - 6,470

Bear in mind that the current season average is substantially inflated by some early games played without crowd size restrictions (e..g, games played in Perth, NBL's media release about high crowd numbers in first couple of rounds). So the COVID impact relative to 2019/20 (first season at AEC) is a 25-30% reduction in average crowd across the NBL.

The current season, 36ers' average home crowd is 4,706 (https://www.austadiums.com/stadiums/adelaide-entertainment-centre/crowds). That's 25% less than 6,275 and 30% less than 6,730. What was the 36ers' average home crowd in 2019/20 - probably about 7,000? If that's the ball park, then crowds are not a lot more down than across the NBL as a whole.

So are crowds down because of an AEC vs Powerhouse/TSA thing (maybe a bit but not the main reason?), or because of reduced interest in going to games across the NBL generally (maybe the main reason?)? If the latter, is this a COVID thing (those high numbers in Perth's first games suggest yes?) or is it about people moving to other live viewing platforms (streaming, TV?) or is it about a reduced interest in NBL?

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Q Anon  
Earlier this year

36ers will move back to the Dome once the upgrades are done

AEC was an ego flex move that cost huge amounts of money to the owner for no commercial upside.

Year 1 crowds were up because a large amount of tickets had to be given away.

Now you can buy a family ticket for $50 which was the same price 20 odd years ago. Crowds are at the same level of the Marty Clarke era but the roster is 3 x the cost of then.

This roster and admin have fallen out of favour with the crowd. Multiple management / ownerships miss steps. Creek , Sobey , Joey , McVeigh, 3 years of bad import selections all add up.

This team is simply not fun to watch. Even when a team is losing if you can see the effort and passion is still there then they will be supported. 90% of teh roster are phoning it in.

Humphries will all ways be injured but he soaks up a large salary ( cut him )
DJ's body language is getting worse- he looks great with Bairstow but combined they both struggle on D
McCarron is a great recruit but not the elixir , he will be part of a bigger picture
Hannahs - straight to the airport
Withers is OK in the mould that Ramone Moore was OK in his role off the bench as a 3rd import. As 1/2 imports money is being wasted on him and he needs to be upgraded ASAP
Dech - great
Bairstow - playing healthy and showing us what he could have been from day 1 in the NBL
King - cut , its not going to happen , rip the band aid off
Sotto - makes some sense but are we making money off him ? otherwise cut for a local

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Q Anon, you're second line was nonsense which has been covered many times here. The rest of your post even worse.

Save your Q tin foil ideas for Facebook mate.

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Q Anon  
Earlier this year

above anon

so you are aware the owner of the team is widely known to have had a falling out with the then owners of the Dome

Are you aware that Pelligra has taken sponsorship at the 36ers as part of a larger agreement?

The 36ers had to honour the free tickets that were given to the Dome as part of the exit to AEC

AEC is considerably more expensive to rent than what The Dome was. Fact.

You dont have to look that far to see the number of fans are disconnected from this team starting with the embarrassment that was the Creek exit and the attendance has been on the slide since.

Crowd numbers are now on par or less than the 36ers worst years at The Dome. Fact

You can say that my player assessments are subjective , because they are , apart form that back up your counter position to mine with some facts.



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ME  
Earlier this year

There are a lot of factors that come together to make crowd numbers what they are, least of which is probably the AEC.

Firstly - it's a bad team. It's a flat out bad team. There is no player on this team that is making anyone get out of bed and risk COVID to see them. And the team as a whole is dysfunctional and shit.

Secondly, COVID. Crowds for everything are down. This should be no surprise.

Thirdly, atmosphere. I'd be interested to know how many die hard fans have lost the love in recent years. Adelaide Arena always had a vibe. You could engage with the crowd. You'd look over and see Boti Nagy, local basketball players you knew, there was a sense of engagement and community that no longer exists.

The AEC should have been a good location due to its placing but if I could choose, I'd go back to Adelaide Arena - the country's ONLY purpose built professional basketball stadium. And when they do the upgrades, that is precisely what they should do. If Marshall somehow survives the next election and makes his new stadium we can reassess then but Adelaide Arena remains the home of SA basketball in my eyes.

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Q Anon  
Earlier this year

Agree Me

If the team was worthy of watching the place would be selling out. It would only take some bum on seats imports to turn that around.

Creek and Sobey dragged a lot of people into the stadium and Adelaide fans liked the Wright style of play which was reminiscent of Cole and Smyth styles.

Also concur with your points abut being able to walk around and chat with people. At AEC I cant get to the people I'd like to talk to if I'm not in their section.

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Kero  
Earlier this year

For me and people we go with -the atmosphere is severely lacking at AEC so the pull to go to the game isn't strong add the roster which I don’t feel any connection with nor any great excitement watching play confirm the decision.

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Hermann  
Earlier this year

My how the worm has turned... only seems like yesterday the call to get out of TS was the chant...I always said TS was built for basketball so use it.. not blowing up my wheels but sometimes the fence is not greener on the other side. Retyrn to the home and see the grass roots produce like the days of old gold.. as someone said if you built it people will return.sometimes got to revise discussions and agree moving forward might mean moving back... I know I am right.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

How is playing at TS going to be a boom for grass roots? Delusional

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Hermann  
Earlier this year

Boom for grass roots because it is the rightful home of basketball... An identity for aspiratants to connect with..

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Grassroots is already booming. 36ers has zero impact on grassroots. More courts for grassroots basketball is the only thing needed.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

the ownership and management have simply not taken the fans on the journey. they are aloof and profit orientated with no feel for sport and the people that made up this once great club. teams is rubbish, but that goes without saying. we can sit on here and give all the opinions in the world, but under the current ownership and management nothing is going to change regardless of which stadium the 36ers play at.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

bring back Creek and I'll go and watch them at Wayville! will never forgive club for this

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Hermann = very low IQ

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

bring back Creek is the lowest of IQ arguements going around.

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Vesta 43  
Earlier this year

I'm a huuuuuuge Creeky fan - club has never been the same since

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

if they keep playing games at noon on Sunday, they may as well play then in a shoe-box

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

When the league insists on triple headers every Sunday someone is always playing at shit-o'clock

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

and that someone seems to be the 36ers more often than not, and that is because some bright spark at the Club (who had no understanding or appreciation of the members and fans) thought that would be a good slot just because it has worked well in soccer over the years. I understand that person has already be exited, so will be interesting what slot Nick Marvin pushes for.

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LoveBroker  
Earlier this year

The AEC, whilst does not have that homely feel, has a lot more potential to bring in revenue for the club.

The crowds were trending the right way before COVID. COVID is the main issue, once we go back to the new normal (and it may take seasons) I would expect the crowds to revert to the upward trend.

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ME  
Earlier this year

Creek is arguably the best Australian in the league and he wanted to be a one club guy, yet 36ers management for some bonehead reason sought to stand between him and his NBA dream. Imagine doing that to the face of your club? Let's be clear, if Creek were still here, DJ wouldn't matter. He could take a walk. Adelaide fans LOVED Mitch Creek and would have only loved him more on current output.

Every step of the way this management team has shit the bed.

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LoveBroker  
Earlier this year

Creek is arguably the best Australian in the league and he wanted to be a one club guy, yet 36ers management for some bonehead reason sought to stand between him and his NBA dream. Imagine doing that to the face of your club? Let's be clear, if Creek were still here, DJ wouldn't matter. He could take a walk. Adelaide fans LOVED Mitch Creek and would have only loved him more on current output.


What the Sixers pulled on Creek and his NBA aspirations was very very poor at all levels, PR / reputational and financial.

They shouldn't have gone through that effort and expense to to to claw back some monies that would have an impact in the eyes of the basketball community.

But I am done dwelling on the past.

1) The club is bigger than Creek, I support the club and Creek whilst he is at the club, I don't support Creek as a standlaone product (I wished him the best in Europe / NBA as I was to see Australians grow their game).

2) He ended up not having an NBA career anyway.

3) He is no saint, in fact rather the opposite.

My main concern was the reputational damage to the club and its ability to attract talent.

Not only was any damage fleeting but we've since been able to draw in talent like Humphries, Giddey, McCarron, King. So as far as I'm concerned the issue is done with and everyone else has moved on.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Creek blunder has changed club negatively forever. monumental, irreversible damage

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Isaac  
Earlier this year

I remember the Bill Jones and Apollo era. Went to many games at the Powerhouse. I followed the league very closely for many years up until last year. I have virtually zero interest in the 36ers now. I've got something in common with Boti to explain waning enthusiasm, and it's not just a matter of getting old! If it came to it, I'd probably support every other NBL team before the current 36ers.

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LoveBroker  
Earlier this year

Creek blunder has changed club negatively forever. monumental, irreversible damage


Where is this lasting damage?

Supporters were growing at AEC pre covid.

Since then we have attracted top level talent.

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Just a fan  
Earlier this year

Yep lovebroker, Mitch as a stand-alone product is one that people should not be endorsing, but people will always hold onto him. I think people are forgetting that all crowds are being lowered cos of covid, it also doesn't help that the stadium is also apparently at a 75% capacity.

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mitchrulz  
Earlier this year

Burning bridges is never a good idea. Any other player with NBA aspirations would factor in the treatment of Mitch when deciding which NBL club to sign with. The NBL is a small world and NBL player managers is an even smaller world.

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SixersFan  
Earlier this year

mitchrulz that is why Josh Giddey never came to Adelaide.... oh that is right he did. Also Mojave King and Kai Sotto. Bad luck on being completely wrong.

Only a minority of fans still care about the Creek thing. It has had little impact regarding crowd

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mitchrulz  
Earlier this year

I don't think the 3 players you mentioned were really in comparable situations to Mitch. Nevertheless the fact that they played for Adelaide doesn't prove that they didn't consider what happened with Mitch before signing.
Re crowds I'm not claiming it is as simple as Mitch is worth 500 bums on seats but there is no question that he is an elite quality local and crowds prefer winning to losing.
I think covid is a much bigger factor anyway and makes it impossible to compare AEC to TSA.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

I mean, they might have considered the Creek situation, but by signing they obviously didn't consider it to be detrimental so the point is moot.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

The Creek debacle was just plain embarrassing. Players are still going to come to get paid and gain exposure. But just showed how pathetic management are. Last game I went to was the United GF series, based on last few years I'm not paying a cent to watch a totally disfunctional team.

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Shano76  
Earlier this year

Same boat as Isaac. Have loved the club since I caught a late night replay of a game in 85, but I can't give a crap now. It’s not one thing, it’s a combination and I know I’m just one fan who doesn’t matter, but I’m sure many old times fans feel the same disconnect.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Giddey came because he was guaranteed playing time. Had nothing to do with it being "Adelaide". Here are the keys to the city, we don't care if we win. You will play 30+ mins a game. That's why he came.

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Hermann  
Earlier this year

Need to promo the high noon shoot out aspects and use poetic license to create characters to build the excitement. Sunday noon game also max daylight saving so really great bonus for families to have day out. Less traffic congestion. Be pistive not negative..think outside the keyway

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Lovebroker  
Earlier this year

I have watched ADL games since the Al Green, Mark Davis, Orlando Phillips year. 89?

Along the way the club has done many things right and many things wrong.

That can be said of any club.

The Breakers were wildly successful at one time now pure trash.

The Hawks were pure trash, now winning more games with the same low attendance.

The Taipans are the only ones consistently trash bar a couple of blips.

Again the Creek situation was lamentable, but we've moved on, I would invite others to follow suit.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Not to mention the crumbling Sydney Kings.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

The Adelaide 36ers have 13 admin staff. One with a basketbal background and that's JVG. NONE with a history in SA basketball.

This organisation would be the first time this has been the case.

Enough said really.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Good old SA parochialism. You could have the most successful team but because there's no SA lads in the team or BSA people in the offices, locals just won’t support a team. It’s a bit sad really how deep that cut seems to be for South Aussies.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

But we don't have a successful team so it's mute point. We have a boring, going nowhere roster being run by a bunch of people who don't understand the sport, and don't understand the local basketball landscape.

We've traded up tempo exciting winning basketball for a awful spectacle, at a timeslot that most district basketball people are training on a Sunday.

Of course a successful NBL team should have a mixture of business people, administrative experts and basketball people. It's that last which seems to be severely lacking.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

I stopped following club immediately after the tried to ruin creeks career for a few dollars.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Didn't asked for SA players or BSA staff. Asked for people who understood SA basketball. HUGE difference.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

"Good old SA parochialism. You could have the most successful team but because there's no SA lads in the team or BSA people in the offices, locals just won't support a team."

This is a stupid comment. Understanding the market is the first step to a successful business. You might make the best room heaters in the world but you won’t get many customers in the Sahara. You need to sell something that the market wants to pay for. If the market wants local content, then either give them local content or find a way to make them want the content you have. If you can’t make it work, blaming the market for your business failures (which this poster advocates) is just ostrich behaviour.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

After 30 years of support for the club my interest waned enough this year to not renew my season passes. For us the move to the AEC we lost connection to the club it became a business and less of a club it moved from being about basketball to being entertainment for the crowd. Our gold seats our children couldn't see as the tiers were too shallow an issue we raised early to the CEO who basically shrugged and moved on to someone else. At the arena the players would mingle with the supporting post game then that all stopped at the AEC this was only for the corporates. Here’s my take on location

AEC central location, decent ac and comfortable seat but if the person next to wants to send their kids for food be prepared to get up to let them out every five minutes, sound proofing reduces atmosphere and seating distance reduces connection with the game.

Arena parking was a pain to get out, poorly maintained facility (thanks past bsa, government of the time and other owners who just held the stadium in the 90’s) great viewing and atmosphere if your a basketball fan you felt connected to the game.

I have sat through all the good and the bad like afl it’s no longer about sport but more now about entertainment losing its grassroots community connection along the way.

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Lovebroker  
Earlier this year

For us the move to the AEC we lost connection to the club it became a business and less of a club it moved from being about basketball to being entertainment for the crowd.


It's always been an profit seeking ongoing concern.

Ask any club (indeed any business) would they like to make a profit?

Yes by seeking the potential for more dollars it loses some of its family oriented veneer and I can understand if your kids cannot even see the game at the game.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

It's not even about making a profit its about not losing millions.

The move to the AEC was part of a bigger picture, which the ALP has now destroyed for political points.

Getting money into the out dated Arena is a great Plan B.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Old stadium was better because we had Creeky and Sobey then.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

A sporting club is more about a connection to its supporters than a pecuniary interest. Of course it wants to make a profit to improve infrastructure and attract players and people to it. A teams culture can destroy or make a club, at the moment there is no positive culture, resulting in on court performance and supporters feeling disallusioned.
A move back to its home may help, but could just be like putting glitter on a turd. Ownership need to acknowledge the immense failures recently and right the ship. The team structure is a shambles and the buck should stop at one main person. But the owner seems to be blinded and has absolutely no idea what it takes to be successful, just seems to be power hungry and self absorbed, just having a shiny expensive toy to show of to his mates.
Long term successful sporting teams have a few things in common, stable ownership and decision makers that make a winning culture the priority, not a season by season affair where they get the highest priced player in the off season without thinking if they are a good fit, but just saying to the owner, look, I got the best player available even if I paid over market rates.
Just reminds me of the Donald Stirling Clippers.

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Bravepunk  
Earlier this year

Interesting that so many people are not liking the AEC.

For thirty years or so our family has made every effort to attend all games. So pleased when the move was made to Findon and the Powerhouse/Dome/Titanium etc, because at last we could buy memberships. We had great seats, (row M south) great view, knew those around us, could drive and park nearby. While refreshment options were limited they were much better than the current offerings..

We could easily meet up with friends; supported the team through success and failures, good coaches and not so good, great, and not so great imports. While not always in total agreement with management decisions we went along with it.

With the move to the AEC, our 'equivalent' seats are much further away from the court, and considerably higher, and we feel totally disconnected from the game. Parts of the court are obstructed from view. Wile the seats are softer, they are much closer together, so we knock knees with our neighbours. We also have to stand up to let people in and out.

We have renewed each year and attended all the games.

This year we have gone to TWO games and will probably not go to any more. I don’t think it is the team that is the disincentive- the team has been awful for a few years, and we still went along. It’s the thought of filing into AEC, sitting in seats with a poor view, sitting next to people who aren’t really fans, and most having very little engagement with game, or what passes as sponsor activations.

I’d support in a flash a move back to Findon, which is the spiritual home of the 36ers.

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CT  
Earlier this year

Okay, so never watched basketball in SA but everything Bravepunk described above is why my family and I keep coming back to watch the Taipans (and their incessant mediocrity) year in year out. Everyone knows each other, it's easy to park, meet up with friends and (depending on whether the kids are with us) can be the start or end of a great evening or afternoon out. It's why the Taipans get 4k to every game. It's just an obvious, easy, fun night out for kids and families, teens, groups of mates, anyone. I look at somewhere like the AEC or the Kingdome and wonder why anyone would bother. It's like the difference between going to a friendly local bar and drinking in an airport lounge.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

CT

Could not agree more, most euro stadiums are boutique, 5000 to 8000, some of the major capitals, 12000. It allows intimacy, look at Brisbane in today's game, great atmosphere.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Imagine Perth fans complaining about their stadium being too big!!!

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

I do agree that the Sixers management are probably the biggest reason for my general disinterest in the team. The stadium I can live with (though I could easily nitpick it) if the relationship between team and fan were there, but it really isn't.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Ahh the true fans. Where is DDFan.

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Perthworld  
Earlier this year

Imagine Perth fans complaining about their stadium being too big!!!

Well Challenge Stadium was more intimate than Perth Arena, even though from certain blocks in our former venue smelled like piss from the nearby toilets.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Perth re the exception to the rule, successful for decades and very well run, hopefully it continues or they could start to see crowds drop as well.
Kings had a great home at entertainment centre, Homebush is a crap place to get to and normally is a less than a 50% capacity.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

If the Arena was expanded to 12,000 capacity it would still be a better option than AEC, for playing basketball.

Location is bad, it's not going to attract general public. ZERO public transport so driving is your only option. No dinner/lunch or after game drink options in the area.

But the building is the only one in Oz, specifically built for basketball which Adelaide fans have taken for granted. Moving to an Entertainment Centre learned the hard way that there were perks at the Arena.

For the team there were perks no other club has. Train on the same court you play on. Same change rooms etc.

The Arena of 3 seasons ago should never be considered an option. But if the new owners actually spend money on the arena itself and bring it up to scratch there are reasons to go back.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

6ers have become a joke of a club. A fish rots at the head.

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KET  
Earlier this year

Obviously there's a lot to this Adelaide Arena/Entertainment move and possibly move back.

To get it out of the way quick and dirty - Riverbank Arena may have been part of the grand plan, which may be on life support now. Even if Libs scraped through in March, the budget and works for 2022-2026 Arena is just the tunnel/bridge I think? It’d actually require Libs to win in 2026 in addition to this year for the arena to go ahead.

Chances of that are slim to none. So fair play on a plan B.
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In respect of much of the discussion taking place:

Adelaideans are a notoriously nostalgic bunch that don’t particularly like change. The ones on here are even more likely to be so as many may have followed the 36ers since just about day dot.

For myself, those memories of Maher and Farley/Mee/KB etc at the Powerhouse to raucous crowds that honed and targeted opposition and swayed refs was amazing entertainment.

With that said...

Crowds now need to be considered in the light of:
- Covid, this has affected every sport, it’s clearly a giant spanner in the works. Whether it be Gov imposed limits or just people not wanting to risk it, covid is an impact regardless of arena.

- Team success, always plays a part in fluctuating crowds regardless of arena. Adelaide aren’t playing well.

- Connection and engagement, Adelaide haven’t had particularly iconic players besides Giddey to be draw cards in a long time. If anything the draw cards have been opposition players (Bogut, La Melo).

- Fixture timing, plenty of criticism about the timings and impact on those that may be more certain attendees (clash with basketball trainings).

Let’s be clear, the crowd numbers were just as bad and worse at Adelaide Arena a few years before the move. Games went from being 5-6k to ~4K if they’re lucky. The place was half empty, looked it and sounded like it.

GK takes over - crowds increase to that 5-7k band just before moving to Ent Centre. Those crowds then continue at Ent Centre until covid seriously hits Adelaide. Before anyone says it - if that was achieved via free tix then so be it, but it can’t be said that the move to Ent Centre pushed crowds down. It didn’t.

Atmosphere - whilst I agree that Adelaide Arena naturally had better atmosphere, we need to be honest that the atmosphere at Adelaide Arena was shot by the time they moved to the Ent Centre. It was shot before GK even arrived on the scene. The small group that made up the more regular, hardcore 36ers crowd - the ones that made the atmosphere, targeted players and umpires with hostility, had dwindled and probably are close to non-existent. I don’t think that behaviour even passes as PC anymore - we probably won’t see that ever again. Now it’s an inoffensive family atmosphere.

Add in more club music that’s less momentum-based and has more of a crowd driven atmosphere killing effect, and you start to see why the Ent Centre won’t have the same atmosphere as the Clipsal powerhouse days and returning to Adelaide Arena won’t magically fix it.

Plus, the team needs to play well enough to create the atmosphere in the first place. Frustrated silence doesn’t do much.

In terms of sight lines - I can’t speak for members, but I found Adelaide Arena sight lines to be awful at $45 or whatever I had to pay per ticket. AEC view for general admin is significantly better. Significant is probably an understatement.

Location, seat comfort, air conditioning wise, the AEC is clearly better and Adelaide Arena will never be comparable even with renos.

Capacity wise, well Adelaide need to work their asses off to get higher crowd numbers in future years. I don’t think 4,5,6k are financially viable crowd numbers. They need to be looking to 7-10k crowds, which is a capacity the AEC can handle, and why a 12-14k Riverbank Arena would have been a perfect one to transition to in 8 years time or whatever.

With that said - the costs of playing out of AEC vs Adelaide Arena would factor in. AEC may be a sweet deal now but perhaps not soon? If it’s prohibitive then it’s prohibitive, so be it, Adelaide Arena it must be.

By the by, the criticism about trying to run 36ers like a business is a bit bizarre. We want them to be as financially viable and sustainable as possible, we can’t assume there’s a line of people happy to lose money to own Adelaide. If you don’t like the management for whatever other reasons then that’s your prerogative, but criticising a business trying to be a business is straight up odd!

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

#119 no it doesn't

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

some biologists say that is not factual. They say that the first part of a fish to go bad is its intestinal system.

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ME  
Earlier this year

All fair points from KET. I mean when we first made the AEC transition I was all for it and thought people holding onto Adelaide Arena were a bit stuck in the past. But now I can see a fair debate for both sides.

My personal experience at AEC wasn't that great. I agree on sightlines. The atmosphere was nereon non existent. But I was willing to sacrifice on those things if it meant bigger crowds and a bigger reach for the team.

COVID obviously is the elephant in the room. But I think COVID or not this team would struggle to pull a crowd. They're just not any good and there is no star player that anyone would have any interest in.

I think a potential pivot back to Adelaide Arena could make sense. It used to get packed and it very well could again. An upgrade and increased seating could make it viable. However that doesn't deal with the main problem - the team sucks and has since 2017.

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Frickster  
Earlier this year

Happy to got to which ever stadium agrees to stop blasting inane music non stop with no feel for what's going on on the court.

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Earlier this year

Agreed Skip has to go ASAP

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