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JVG gone from Sixers

JVG gone from Sixers

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retired  
Earlier this year

Not a loss.

He was useless when at the Kings also.

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ME (he/kangaroo)  
Earlier this year

Is this official? Where's the source?

This might be the best news the Sixers have had since Brett Maher signed up.

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Uncle Dre  
Earlier this year

Club has half a chance now - probably need ownership change also given he's the ones that brings these people into the club

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Dr Dre  
Earlier this year

https://www.adelaide36ers.com/news/gm-basketball-announces-resignation

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BALLER#3  
Earlier this year

"period of stability"... lol

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Uncle Dre  
Earlier this year

what a revolving door that place has become.

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hoopie  
Earlier this year

True, but so many improve after they leave, so you could say that that revolving door is a good pathway to success.

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Zodiac  
Earlier this year

As a part-owner of the team I thought it might've been difficult for majority owner GK to get rid of JVG as GM but here we are.

Since JVG became GM about halfway through the 2018-19 season we've seen some bizarre decisions made in those 3 years bad import signings, dud local signings, 3 head coaches in his time as GM, leaving the Sixers spiritual home at Findon at one point the team were training at St. Ives Rec Centre down at the Port perhaps the only good thing was convincing the NBL to allow us to be Josh Giddey's showcase team and you could make an argument that didn't really benefit the team much.

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Uncle Dre  
Earlier this year

..... and zero finals, one of the greatest PR disasters between players and coach (wright), millions of dollars lost, massive staff turnover, wife of prior captain blow-up on social media about lask of respect, indigenous PR disaster, terrible crowds with year .....

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Zodiac  
Earlier this year

I was trying to be charitable!

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WBF  
Earlier this year

Congrats 36er fans!

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KET  
Earlier this year

It's odd that someone goes from zero to 100 in terms of control and even ownership only to go 100 to zero.

The instability at the club is ridiculous!

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Beantown  
Earlier this year

Sacked or decided to get the hell out? Any connection to the rumoured Randle signing?

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Q Anon  
Earlier this year

Signing Humphries to a multi year extension whilst knowing he had a bad knee is up there as dumb things in the 36ers history.

The owner paying Wright and Henry not to coach and Humphries not to play has to sting eventually. If the rumoured $500,000 salary Humphries alone is on is true there are substantial dollars on the table through this decision process alone.

If the rumour of Henry being sacked because he refused to start King this year is true then there has been huge damage done off court.

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ME (he/kangaroo)  
Earlier this year

JVG leaving the sixers is spectacular news but the toilet is still clogged with the likes of Grant Kelly. I cant think of too many positive things that have happened under him.

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LoveBroker  
Earlier this year

Since JVG became GM about halfway through the 2018-19 season we've seen some bizarre decisions made in those 3 years bad import signings, dud local signings,


People like to focus on the negatives.

But can we give some props for the good things that he has done during his tenure?

1) In a time where we had a less than stellar reputation (Creek, Wright / White saga) JVG brought in Giddey, Humphries, McCarron, and Dech. This is with people saying we would not be a favoured destination for players.

Yes he has made some poor choices but that is balanced off by good ones as well. There isn't one front office exec that has not made a bad player choice. JVG just cops it more whenever he does.

2) He took us to the AEC, if not for bat eating individuals, we'd be playing to a full AEC crowd, lifting the revenue of the club and being able to keep up with the perennial playoff clubs.



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Titan 30  
Earlier this year

Sorry, but JVG had nothing to do with the AEC. The first season there was nearly over by the time he started at the club.

All for giving credit where it's due, but it’s not due on that case.

I just wonder if he gets to keep his frequent flyer points he earnt over this time.....

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Frisbee14  
Earlier this year

LoveBroker, you serious? Main reason those players came was because we massively overpaid. Got guys on superstar money and they either are always injured or very good role players at best.
As for Giddey, the oft rumoured promise of starting role probably wouldn't be made by most club's, but he was probably the lone bright point in the regime.
JVG going is the best news in a very long time. Would really like to know the true story behind it.

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Perthworld  
Earlier this year

I wonder who replaces JVG? Marvin?

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LoveBroker  
Earlier this year

LoveBroker, you serious? Main reason those players came was because we massively overpaid.


How do you know that for sure?

I admit I do not know anything about how much people are getting paid and as such cannot make such determinations without wild guesses.

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Manu Fieldel  
Earlier this year

Cognitive dissonance much, LoveBroker?

The positivity in your post makes me think something is seriously wrong

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Q Anon  
Earlier this year

For comparison 36ers are paying more for McCarron than the Kings are for Adams

Humphries was a huge risk and we are now going to pay the guy close to $1,000,000 for next to no games at all. That money could have gone to Jack White

Dech was happy to come here

Giddey was all about the recruiter setting themselves up. Watch where he lands next. Ask yourself would you rather have the one and done Giddey or have recruited a different top level Aussie talent that you can build around for the future as a core piece. This money could have gone to Dejean V.

AEC is a whole different discussion point and this team isn't one for attracting casual fans nor retaining existing.

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D2.0  
Earlier this year

Why is anyone surprised?

When Drewy didn't get the coaching gig, it was obvious JVG was on the way out.

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Q Anon  
Earlier this year

Dont get it twisted, Gaze and a number of others turned it down because of who they would have to work with from all reports

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Uncle Dre  
Earlier this year

JVG saying on Adelaide radio he wasn't pushed, and has opportunities in the NBA. Give me a break. This guy could not lie straight in bed. Good riddons.

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ME (he/kangaroo)  
Earlier this year

Obviously they want him to arrange a team so they can tank their way to first draft pick

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Uncle Dre  
Earlier this year


1) In a time where we had a less than stellar reputation (Creek, Wright / White saga) JVG brought in Giddey, Humphries, McCarron, and Dech. This is with people saying we would not be a favoured destination for players.

JVG was there for the White / Wright saga. Fat lot of good he was though.

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Zodiac  
Earlier this year

Lovebroker just gets off on playing the contrarian. A couple of months ago he was trying to defend JVG's time running the Kings which was even worse than his running of the Sixers. It's not that LB is a JVG fan he's not he just always likes to pick the opposite side of the majority view and tries to defend that.

JVG has been an abject disaster as a GM at his last two clubs that's not up for debate. I've certainly got no interest in arguing with someone who tries to argue otherwise.

On the radio today JVG said something about moving on to work with Giddey and the people around him which implies Moldovan. Always been the thing with JVG at every gig he's already setting up his next gig.

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ME (he/kangaroo)  
Earlier this year

I don't understand why people rattle off those names as if they're all good.

I'll give you Josh Giddey but that is also largely the doing of the NBL itself, and on a lower market team next stars always fair better. Giddey's choice was likely between Adelaide, Illawarra and Cairns if we're being realistic. Let's not credit JVG too much for something that had plenty of other factors behind it. Buy if you want to notch one up in the "good JVG" column, go for it.

Mitch McCarron. Oh god. Is there anyone watching him this season thinking he's anything more than the worst starting point guard in the league? Say what you want about his rebounds, but if our bigmen weren't trash he wouldn't average the same numbers of them. His play doesn't pass the eye test and his shot is completely broken this year. He's overpaid as we have said. Reputation of a team mean's little if you're paying a player many ten's of thousands of dollars more than what they're worth. Mitch McCarron has always been a supporting cast member and he's not up to being 'that guy' on any team. History has shown time and time again that teams do not succeed with an Australian starting point guard unless also paired up with an import combo guard that can also play point. JVG once again tried to reinvent the wheel and that wheel rolled on top of him.

Humphries - we also know he was well and truly overpaid and is a walking injury. I can't blame the team for picking him up because most people would have done so, but he was apparently on 500'000 a season from some estimates. If that is right, he didn't justify that spend.

Sunday Dech - so what? What is so miraculous about Sunday Dech? A nice enough player but let's not act like he's a star of some sort.

But I think where JVG went the most wrong is import selections. Hannahs is garbage - another G-League journeyman who thrives in a league where defence is an afterthought. If he were an import in any other team he would have boarded a flight long ago.

Withers. What is it Withers actually does?

JVG picked up Sotto due to Philipino interest and while there has been interest, a recent article has stated that very little of the increased merchandise revenue has been from Sotto, and Daniel Johnson is still - somehow - the highest selling jersey for the club. So while I can understand his thought on picking up Sotto... it's another thing where the execution has fallen flat from a marketing standpoint, and on court he likely hasn't justified his spend.

So this just brings me back to my consistent thought on JVG - he's a bit of an "ideas man" but those ideas rarely bare fruit. He likes to experiment and try things, which is commendable, but he doesn't have that feel for making it work. He overspends on some pieces and then cuts corners on the most important things. One thing I'd like for Sixers management to take away from this is you CAN NOT overpay Aussies, underpay imports and have a successful team. There seems to be a prevailing thought that Aussies are the most important nexus of your team but unless you have the absolute top Australian players they're just not worth the money. We could have got more out of imports if we paid them like Humphries and McCarron and at least if they suck or are injured mid-season you can move them on.

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Shano76  
Earlier this year

Agree wholeheartedly ME.
Interesting too regarding jerseys, it's such an uninspiring roster. Wanted to buy my son a jersey this year and we honestly couldn’t pick a player that he wanted. There’s no superstar draw card, your Cotton, Creek, Sobey, CG etc. Cdrsinly don’t expect many to be lining up for a Hannahs or Withers jersey.
Get the on court product fixed and everything else will follow.

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Zodiac  
Earlier this year

Personally I don't in any way subscribe to spending big on imports. Imports by definition are unproven until they're not. Plenty of big NBA names turned out to be busts like Steve Blake, Josh Powell, Donald Sloan (JVG x 3) etc. Very good imports can fall through the cracks and be had on the cheap the Taipans have proved that for years. JVG just never had the nous or the right connections.

Spending up on Aussies is the way to go ala United and Wildcats but to clarify that is spending up on the right Aussies like Landale, Goulding, JLA, Nick Kay, Norton, Blanchfield etc. McCarron was always a good honest contributor nothing more and with all the talent United had coupled with the best coach in the league in Vickerman I don't think it would've made much difference if Shea Ili was starting for them last season.

The gamble on Humphries was a valid gamble in Year 1 he had played in the NBA and had some very dominant games in the G-League which is hard to do as a non-NBA foreigner over there. However after the injury plagued season he had last season we should've only re-signed him this season on a big discount not sure I buy the $500K talk maybe last season not this season but he was only brought back on a one-year deal so good luck to him wherever he goes next season.

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Zodiac  
Earlier this year

Creek, Sobey,


I'm old enough to remember when we had BOTH of those guys on our team. GK's decision to take Creek to the Supreme Court to try and void his NBA contract (which was before JVG's arrival here) was the beginning of all this. JVG was always pushing shit up hill after that.

The exodus in just 3.5 years has been staggering Creek, Childress, Sobey, Deng, Hodgson, Drmic, McVeigh, H. Froling plus 3 coaches in the last 3 years. That's a hell of a lot of talent to burn through in such a short time.

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ME (he/kangaroo)  
Earlier this year

"Steve Blake, Josh Powell, Donald Sloan (JVG x 3)"

Over-the-hill players well past their 30s playing for a paid holiday. I don't think it's fair to put all imports in that basket. Surely there are proven imports that could justify a dime - ie, a play for Vic Law may have made sense.

"Spending up on Aussies is the way to go ala United and Wildcats but to clarify that is spending up on the right Aussies like Landale, Goulding, JLA, Nick Kay, Norton, Blanchfield etc. McCarron was always a good honest contributor nothing more and with all the talent United had coupled with the best coach in the league in Vickerman I don't think it would've made much difference if Shea Ili was starting for them last season."

Bingo. Thank you. Of the Aussies the 36ers have, none of them are in that realm. We could have had Nick Kay potentially for McCarron money. Humphries is that level when healthy but when is he healthy? I am not sure how much of that you can blame on JVG but my question is how long is Humphries contract? Probably unreasonably long, as all contracts have been.

Shea Ili is at least is exceptional at something. His dribble-hand off defense is elite. McCarron hasnt got a world class skill in his arsenal yet he's paid like he does.

"The exodus in just 3.5 years has been staggering Creek, Childress, Sobey, Deng, Hodgson, Drmic, McVeigh, H. Froling plus 3 coaches in the last 3 years. That's a hell of a lot of talent to burn through in such a short time."

Yep, and replaced those guys with overpaid Aussies who aren't providing. Childress likely had another season or two in him if he wanted it. There is not a name on that list who we wouldn't be better off having than the players we have now, and that's just a cold hard fact.

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LoveBroker  
Earlier this year

A couple of months ago he was trying to defend JVG's time running the Kings which was even worse than his running of the Sixers.


I wasn't defending anything I conceded he made mistakes just like I have done in this instance, but I think he should get credit for bringing in Lisch, Newls, Kicks, Randle and Bogut.

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Zodiac  
Earlier this year

Over-the-hill players well past their 30s playing for a paid holiday.


Sloan was 32 when he signed with the 36ers.

I am not sure how much of that you can blame on JVG but my question is how long is Humphries contract? Probably unreasonably long, as all contracts have been.


Humphries only re-signed to a one year deal so he will be a free agent at the end of the season.

https://nbl.com.au/news/isaac-humphries-re-signs-with-adelaide

There is not a name on that list who we wouldn't be better off having than the players we have now, and that's just a cold hard fact.


Are you serious? Creek and Sobey are probably the two best Aussies in the league.

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LoveBroker  
Earlier this year

Mitch McCarron. Oh god. Is there anyone watching him this season thinking he's anything more than the worst starting point guard in the league?


I would put him better than Norton, Magette, and Machado right now.

Sunday Dech - so what? What is so miraculous about Sunday Dech? A nice enough player but let's not act like he's a star of some sort.


Yes he isn't Lebron James, but he had just had a very good year at Illawarra and was in high demand, and he chose Adelaide, shouldn't this be every GM's goal to attract good talent?

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LoveBroker  
Earlier this year

The exodus in just 3.5 years has been staggering Creek, Childress, Sobey, Deng, Hodgson, Drmic, McVeigh, H. Froling plus 3 coaches in the last 3 years. That's a hell of a lot of talent to burn through in such a short time.


Creek and Sobes are losses yes.

Childress you would not want back when he cannot finish a season.

Deng, Hodgson, Drmic, McVeigh, H. Froling


Absolutely none of these guys you would die in a ditch to keep them, they (except Froling) went elsewhere for better opportunities and possibly pay. Froling was just happy to have a job in Brisbane.

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Zodiac  
Earlier this year

I wasn't defending anything I conceded he made mistakes just like I have done in this instance, but I think he should get credit for bringing in Lisch, Newls, Kicks, Randle and Bogut.


Yeah and I gave you a list of about 10-15 supposed big name signings he made at the Kings that all blew up in his face not to mention giving Gaze an air-tight 3 year contract and as the highest paid coach in the league too. I won't bother going over those guys you just mentioned again but as I said at the time the only really good one was Bogut and he signed with the Kings out of spite.

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Zodiac  
Earlier this year

Yes he isn't Lebron James, but he had just had a very good year at Illawarra and was in high demand, and he chose Adelaide, shouldn't this be every GM's goal to attract good talent?


Dech signed with us because we were the only team offering him a 3 year deal.

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Zodiac  
Earlier this year

Creek and Sobes are losses yes.


They're much more than losses they're franchise players and we had both of them and let them walk.

Childress you would not want back when he cannot finish a season.


Childress got injured right at the end of the GF series arguably even cost us the championship that series and yes, everyone desperately wanted him to come back but he vowed never to play for the Sixers again after what GK did to Creek.

Absolutely none of these guys you would die in a ditch to keep them, they (except Froling) went elsewhere for better opportunities and possibly pay. Froling was just happy to have a job in Brisbane.


I never implied needing to die in a ditch to keep them but you at least try, Cairns just re-signed Majok Deng to a 3 year deal in the off-season.

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Boba Fett  
Earlier this year

"Dech signed with us because we were the only team offering him a 3 year deal."
Stupidity at it's finest right there.

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KET  
Earlier this year

"Signing Humphries to a multi year extension"

hmm? I thought it's a one year deal?

“ Mitch McCarron. Oh god.”

Granted, he is probably paid a bucket load of money - however for lack of understanding just how much, I don’t subscribe to throwing the criticism his way. At least not the amount he has received.

It seems to be a bit of “why haven’t you magically solved all our problems Mitch?”

I banged on about this all preseason and season - the balance is way out of whack. It creates ripple effects everywhere - MM is too stifled and tired in the wrong role, all players are out of position the moment anyone pushes the ball close to the basket, no space is created in offence etc.

That’s what happens when you have MM in the wrong slot, no threatening wing man and no defensive presence down low.

They looked better with Tad PG, MM at SG and Dech SF.

So then why do you have Hannahs, a shooter not shooting and coming off the bench, and Withers that doesn’t fill the slot of the wingman or a PF?

Which leads to..
“ Withers. What is it Withers actually does?”

By no means is he a bad player - he seems pretty decent when he actually gets and takes opportunities. He just doesn’t fit the balance of the side, doesn’t fill a need and doesn’t provide value through a weird quasi-role in his own right.

They could try harder to make use of him, but they haven’t. And they probably need to.

If Adelaide had gone a PG import, athletic wing import and a defensive PF import, you’d have your one-two punch for your guards, even a 1-2-3 punch if the SF was your Prather/Hopson type. You’d have space, you’d have less less problems for MM to solve.

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JoelMVP  
Earlier this year

Good to see him gone. The real thing that ha to be looked into, is why they took him to start.

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Q Anon  
Earlier this year

Concur with KET

Hannahs has significant rouble even getting teh ball up the floor under pressure

The team looked its most balanced with TD at PG and MM at the 2

A agree re Withers. I think he could be a Ramone Moore off the bench but we need starting quality combo guard 3 and a defensive big

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Frisbee14  
Earlier this year

They should have had a clean out of imports weeks back before contracts were guaranteed. At very least Dusty and keep Withers as that bench import.
But could have brought in a scorer and a big.
But it's still baffles me why CJ doesn't use Dusty better on offence in terms of playing to his strengths. Not sure if he's in doghouse because of defence, but is wasted for what he's supposed to be, a shooter. From what I've seen it nearly looks like he says f$*K it, I'm going to get dragged so I'll just jack this one up.

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ME (he/kangaroo)  
Earlier this year

Well I agree with that much KET - the whole team is a mess. I'd put a sledgehammer through it and start again next season with THREE imports.

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Master Chief  
Earlier this year

I can understand why there is so much negativity towards JVG, and I certainly agree that he has some mistaken approaches regarding how successful teams should be constructed, but the real issue for me is why does he get treated like/think of himself as this NBA type GM guru in a league like the NBL?

It just strikes me as odd the he seems to be the only GM in the league that has this more NBA like role in being ultimately responsible for why a team is either doing well or doing bad. I just don't get it but accept that I may also be oblivious. What other teams run GMs in this way in the NBL? Obviously there are people in place who likely assist the coaching in the recruitment of players, but again JVG seems to think of himself as some kind of NBA type GM, and again is treated as such.

When has this been common or necessary in this league? The NBL doesn't have trades and 10 day contracts etc. Again, I just don't understand why JVG is so ultimately responsible for everything.

I don't think that people should deny he hasn't managed to assemble some decent rosters in his time, so there seems to be a link with him and attracting players. But again I stress why does it go beyond this with JVG only? I would have thought the role of a GM in this league would be to assist the coach in getting the players he wants.

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Zodiac  
Earlier this year

It's probably because JVG is like the ultimate salesman, he self-promotes so much that other GM's seem almost non-existent. There has been this 'guru' aspect around him from his time at the Tigers & Bullets but that all blew up with his disastrous time running the Kings and then the Sixers.

I assume he probably thinks he's burnt through all his goodwill in the NBL now hence why he's moving onto other things like attaching himself to Giddey/Moldovan, JVG always needs a good host and he finds them don't worry.

Many years ago I spoke to him on the phone once when he was running these NBA holiday tours they used to promote in One on One magazine where you go to a few games meet a few players whatever all hosted by JVG. He sounded like a nice guy and is a very good salesman.

I think maybe GK realised he made a big mistake taking Creek to the Supreme Court so about six months later hired JVG to run the team on his behalf assuming he knows what he's doing and likely has all the right connections.

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Uncle Dre  
Earlier this year

how many time can this rabble start again - will be interesting to see who fills JVG's small shoes

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Frisbee14  
Earlier this year

It happens in a lot of sports and business where the same people keep getting hired despite constantly failing. Just look at the big American sports where some people always get a chance. It might be just that they interview well and are able to sell a vision to the owners, or that because they have contacts and experience they get hired. Almost every time there's an opening in the NBA, the Van Gundys are mentioned. Thibs is another one, might work his team to death and have a good season, but things go downhill quick.
I've known people that should have been promoted, but were lousy in interviews, so they'd miss out and a less skilled person got it.
Sixers were in a big hole so can see JVG coming in and showing what he could do given money and owner fell for it.

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Master Chief  
Earlier this year

But my point is not how does he got a job on the basis of credentials and qualification, my point is why does he seem to be the only GM in The NBL that operates as if he were an NBA GM and supposedly makes the on court decisions over the coach etc.

You never hear the success of or failure of a club being attributed to the GM at any of the other teams in the NBL. It seems to be a JVG thing that operates both ways.

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Zodiac  
Earlier this year

I'm still not suite sure what you mean but the GM runs the team on behalf of the owner. Of course he tells the coach what to do the GM is essentially the coach's boss.

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LoveBroker  
Earlier this year

They're much more than losses they're franchise players and we had both of them and let them walk.


I don't know why Sobes left so I cannot comment on whether why the Sixers couldn't retain.

AS for Creek, he was chasing his NBA dream and a the time (and I stress 'at the time') the club was very supportive of Creek chasing that goal (even when plying his trade in Europe first). So he left the club with the club and it's fans' blessing, how is that on the club to not retain?


Childress got injured right at the end of the GF series arguably even cost us the championship that series and yes, everyone desperately wanted him to come back but he vowed never to play for the Sixers again after what GK did to Creek.


Childress had a long history of injuries even in the NBL before the Sixers, it would be unwise to hang your hopes on someone proven to be unavailable so often.

I never implied needing to die in a ditch to keep them but you at least try, Cairns just re-signed Majok Deng to a 3 year deal in the off-season.


How do you know they didn't try at all? If there was a bidding war the Sixers were right to not over reach for those players named.

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Zodiac  
Earlier this year

So he left the club with the club and it's fans' blessing, how is that on the club to not retain?


Because the NBA thing was unlikely to work out so you keep good relations with him as the Sixers likely would've been the team he came back to play for instead of SEM. Taking him to the Supreme Court to try and void his NBA contract would be considered the complete opposite of 'keeping good relations'.

Childress had a long history of injuries even in the NBL before the Sixers, it would be unwise to hang your hopes on someone proven to be unavailable so often.


I wouldn't say he had a long history of injuries perhaps a bit fragile maybe a little more susceptible to injuries than others but not much can be done about a separated shoulder or whatever it was late in a GF series.

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LoveBroker  
Earlier this year

Because the NBA thing was unlikely to work out so you keep good relations with him as the Sixers likely would've been the team he came back to play for instead of SEM. Taking him to the Supreme Court to try and void his NBA contract would be considered the complete opposite of 'keeping good relations'.


But this is about bringing him back, you blamed the Sixers for letting him walk.

As for bringing him back, I thought he would at least go to Europe for his prime years then come back for the Swan Song.

Yes going to court was regrettable.

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Zodiac  
Earlier this year

Yes I shouldn't have said they let Creek walk I realised my mistake late last night but you can't edit your posts so just left it.

Yes going to court was regrettable.


It was a bit more than regrettable and we're still paying for that extreme lack of judgement now. Having to wildly overpay on good but not great players and having to fill out or rosters with guys outside the NBL.

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koberulz  
Earlier this year

JVG picked up Sotto due to Philipino interest and while there has been interest, a recent article has stated that very little of the increased merchandise revenue has been from Sotto, and Daniel Johnson is still - somehow - the highest selling jersey for the club.

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LoveBroker  
Earlier this year

It was a bit more than regrettable and we're still paying for that extreme lack of judgement now. Having to wildly overpay on good but not great players and having to fill out or rosters with guys outside the NBL.


This is where conjecture and wild speculation comes in.

I would say NOBODY cares about that episode anymore, I am citing JVG's ability to bring in Giddey, IH, MM etc. Big names that would have plenty of suitors and if Adelaide is such a toxic location happily ignore all calls from SA.

But then you say they here coz money pay too much.

I have no come back because I don't know how much they earn nor how much other clubs offered, nor how much comparable players elsewhere get paid.

Where can I go to get an invite to the 36ers boardrooms that everyone else here possesses?

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LoveBroker  
Earlier this year

Who is buying the Magnay and *gulp* McVeigh jerseys?

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Zodiac  
Earlier this year

This is where conjecture and wild speculation comes in.

I would say NOBODY cares about that episode anymore, I am citing JVG's ability to bring in Giddey, IH, MM etc. Big names that would have plenty of suitors and if Adelaide is such a toxic location happily ignore all calls from SA.

But then you say they here coz money pay too much.

I have no come back because I don't know how much they earn nor how much other clubs offered, nor how much comparable players elsewhere get paid.

Where can I go to get an invite to the 36ers boardrooms that everyone else here possesses?


See this is what I mean you just get off on arguing crap for the sake of arguing. I wouldn't be surprised if over there in WA you're not really a Sixers fan at all.

You seem to be so clueless about things at times and worse than that revel in your ignorance like your continued attacks on the Taipans for being a "trash club" as you always say. With absolutely no consideration or understanding that they're a poor club who can't compete with the big boys financially but have always done an admirable job competing on the court regardless.

Giddey was a Next Star his contract is with the NBL not a team he needed a showcase team where he knew he would start and play big minutes for NBA scouts there likely would've only been a few clubs interested in that scenario. Humphries & McCarron are both here because we're paying them a lot more than they could get from any other NBL team.

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Zodiac  
Earlier this year

Who is buying the Magnay and *gulp* McVeigh jerseys?


Um Tasmanian kids?

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Perthworld  
Earlier this year

But my point is not how does he got a job on the basis of credentials and qualification, my point is why does he seem to be the only GM in The NBL that operates as if he were an NBA GM and supposedly makes the on court decisions over the coach etc.

You never hear the success of or failure of a club being attributed to the GM at any of the other teams in the NBL. It seems to be a JVG thing that operates both ways.

Very good question.

JvG is the only self promoter out of all the various NBL GMs I can think of (outside of Cal Bruton at the Wildcats).

In the past, and especially during his time at the Bullets, Jeff would be front and centre in the media whenever there was a big signing or anything positive was being announced by the club. He made himself the face of the franchise.

Jeff also likes to think of himself as a basketball whisperer for whatever reason (ego?). Got to fake it to make it I suppose?

A perfect example of the above traits was when he signed an aging Bradtke and Copeland from the Tigers and setup an exclusive interview with Steve Carfino from Fox Sports to outline how he pulled off such an incredible move. This of course was ridiculous because Melbourne were not renewing the pair and everybody thought they would be retiring. Yet listening to JvG you would think he was a genius, even though there are no NBA-like trades in the NBL and all he was doing was splashing Eddy Groves' cash. I had the footage of it on VHS for years and it really was a jumping the shark moment/peak JvG. Too bad I lost the video as it would make for an all-time classic NBL YouTube clip.

He started to get exposed when the Bullets were going under and a potential new owner with a rescue package was interested in saving the club if the team accepted a 50% salary reduction. During a players' meeting JvG got grilled so much that he was forced to admit he wasn't taking a pay cut at all.

If I recall correctly JvG initially got involved with the NBL at the Tigers via his brother who was team chaplain. I don't remember him being such a focal point back then but throughout his career since he has gone back to the well in terms of Tigers personnel. Bradtke/Copeland in Brisbane, Gaze as coach in Sydney and trying to recruit him once again to coach Adelaide. A one-trick pony who got worse once he aligned himself to player agent Moldovan.

I have no idea what Harvey Lister (AEG/Kings) was thinking and Grant Kelly is an even bigger moron for duplicating the mistake not long afterwards. I'm guessing JvG put on the charm, had a title on his CV and no one does background checks when NBL history is so easily forgotten about.

I do have to give him some credit though. I can't think of anyone who has been GM of two or three let alone four NBL clubs. No one makes a long-term profession out of it but Jeff did. He also had a stint in the NRL with Brisbane Broncos in between.

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LoveBroker  
Earlier this year

Giddey was a Next Star his contract is with the NBL not a team he needed a showcase team where he knew he would start and play big minutes for NBA scouts there likely would've only been a few clubs interested in that scenario.


Why couldn't he do that at Illawarra? They have at least demonstrated a willingness to hand the keys to their previous Next Star (Ball).

If you were an NBA aspirant and saw what the Sixers did to Creek? Why would you sign up with that club even if he were protected by the NS contract? Any association with Adelaide would sully one's NBA campaign right?

Humphries & McCarron are both here because we're paying them a lot more than they could get from any other NBL team.


I freely admit ignorance of this because I do not have the necessary data to be able to refute or agree with it.

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Q Anon  
Earlier this year

Giddey went to Adelaide because they took on the other Moldovan players as well at inflated prices

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Zodiac  
Earlier this year

Why couldn't he do that at Illawarra? They have at least demonstrated a willingness to hand the keys to their previous Next Star (Ball).


Because Goorjian is about trying to win championships the previous Hawks regime under Matt Flinn were more about survival as a club than seriously competing hence why they took on LaMelo Ball when no doubt a lot of other teams likely passed.

If you were an NBA aspirant and saw what the Sixers did to Creek? Why would you sign up with that club even if he were protected by the NS contract? Any association with Adelaide would sully one's NBA campaign right?


What is this supposed to mean? NBA teams don't give a shit about NBL teams all they care about is seeing the players they're interested in getting regular consistent minutes. We gave Giddey that promise hence why he came here and the subsequent situation with Sloan ensued.

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koberulz  
Earlier this year

If I recall correctly JvG initially got involved with the NBL at the Tigers via his brother who was team chaplain.
He was an assistant coach at the Supercats in the early 90s, from memory.

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Perthworld  
Earlier this year

I meant to say initially involved with the NBL in an administrative sense.

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LoveBroker  
Earlier this year

Because Goorjian is about trying to win championships the previous Hawks regime under Matt Flinn were more about survival as a club than seriously competing hence why they took on LaMelo Ball when no doubt a lot of other teams likely passed.


But the Sixers were ALSO in the business of (trying to) winning championships when Giddey was recruited.

We had at the time spent the most amount of money on a local player (Humphries) before Landale came along, thats not an indicator that we are happy to throw away a season just for Giddey to get minutes.

We also spent the money to get an NBA vet in (Donald Sloan), I would go as far as to say the intent was for Sloan to be the primary playmaker. Somehow Sloan didn't work out and Giddey was then thrust into the main playmaker.

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Zodiac  
Earlier this year

But the Sixers were ALSO in the business of (trying to) winning championships when Giddey was recruited.


No we weren't simply by the fact of Giddey's inclusion on the team. Do you honestly think a Perth or United would've been interested in a Giddey or LaMelo type situation?

Yes, Humphries first year he was supposedly on $400K technically at the time he was the highest paid local, Cotton was on $700K at Perth and then Landale smashed it by supposedly signing for $800K at United.

What likely happened with Sloan is he/his agent probably didn't know about the Giddey situation and needing to force feed him minutes at the point which is why Sloan sulked and supposedly asked to be released from his contract.

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Uncle Dre  
Earlier this year

Yet Giddey and Sloan had same agent. A JVG special. Get sling fir both, plus extra sling fir replacement. Those mazzerati's don’t buy themselves.

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LV  
Earlier this year

The Humphries situation depends on his health. Obviously he hasn't played, and the signing is copping some criticism.

How foreseeable were his health issues?

If Humphries was healthy and playing near his best, $400k would've been a bargain, in the context of numbers like $700k for Cotton or $800k for Landale. Cos Humhphries was, for a ~10 game stretch last season playing at an All-NBL 2nd team level.

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Isaac  
Earlier this year

Adelaide would have to regularly overpay simply by virtue of being down the pecking order of Australian cities. I don't see how that would even be debatable?

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Zodiac  
Earlier this year

Yet Giddey and Sloan had same agent.


I didn't know that makes that situation with Sloan's obvious sulking and asking to be released even more bizarre then.

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Zodiac  
Earlier this year

How foreseeable were his health issues?


Year 1 definitely not foreseeable but Humphries was included in the Olympic squad and then withdrew before camp started and soon after the rumour was that he was still injured and may even miss the start of this season and then he re-signed with the Sixers to a new one-year deal.

JVG is now departing the club only a week after announcing Humphries was out for the rest of the season, coincidence?

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Q Anon  
Earlier this year

Wasn't Humphries injured when he arrived? He couldn't even train when he arrived.

Regular rumours were that he needed injections just to get through the day and then they still gave him the extension.

Spatial Jam says his original 1+1 was redone. My understanding is was a multi year extension.

The league needs to do a much better job of making contracts transparent.

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Zodiac  
Earlier this year

He only re-signed to a one-year deal I've said that a few times in this thread. He's a free agent at the end of the season.

https://nbl.com.au/news/isaac-humphries-re-signs-with-adelaide

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Beantown  
Earlier this year

"I didn't know that makes that situation with Sloan's obvious sulking and asking to be released even more bizarre then."

Zodiac, I heard from a good source just before the season started that something unexpected and unfortunate had happened that Sloan was dealing with. I'm not going to say more than that, except that if true, I could totally sympathise with him not being very focussed on basketball at that time.

So I don’t think it had anything to do with any promises that might or might not have been made to Giddey.

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Zodiac  
Earlier this year

Beantown, Okay no probs I hadn't heard that mentioned on here before and would explain his seemingly despondent attitude. I remember at the time he was copping a lot of flak on here with fans demanding he be cut and CH even started bringing him off the bench towards the end there but terrible to hear he was actually going through some sort of private issue.

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Cram  
Earlier this year

I like JVG. I met him a number of times in the early 2000s while volunteering at the Tigers and its easy to see how he charms his way into the many roles he's had.

I think clearly his number one skill is leveraging those relationships. Aside from the Bullets who had piles more money than anyone else, that hasnt tended to work out to much success on the court though.

Good luck to him on whatever he does next

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Beantown  
Earlier this year

Yeah it would have been tough on him to leave his family and come to Australia at the time. Its not an easy gig being an import!

Lets hope the Sixers finally hit a home run with this next import! I still want them to get a point guard. I think that is by far this team's biggest need. In fact I'd go so far as to say that inability to run our offence under pressure has been the cause of every loss this season!

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Zodiac  
Earlier this year

Lets hope the Sixers finally hit a home run with this next import! I still want them to get a point guard. I think that is by far this team's biggest need. In fact I'd go so far as to say that inability to run our offence under pressure has been the cause of every loss this season!


I'm with you and that was why I was kind of okay about the Randle rumour despite his faults he would at least do a better job than McCarron but sounds like it's going to be Hopson. I'm not sure he's got much left in the tank but hopefully we play him in that point forward role he had with the Breakers.

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Dunkman  
Earlier this year

Humphries was great for about two thirds of last season and had one reasonable g league season, other than that he's had a lot of injuries and hasn’t produced a lot. He’s earned a lot of money on potential but other than as above hasn’t shown that much. He obviously has a rapport with JVG as he had him at kings and then Sixers, or he pays him to much.

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Zodiac  
Earlier this year

I think we as fans overstate Humphries' purple patch last season a bit.

Last season was a 36 game season and Humphries played 19 games and 6 of those games were after he came back from the injury seemingly too early and didn't play as well. So really it was the first 12 games of the season about 1/3 of the season that he played well excluding the game he got injured in and only played 4 minutes.

IH first 12 games: 16.8 ppg, 8.5 rpg, 3.0 bpg

IH last 6 games: 8.7 ppg, 5.0 rpg, 2.3 bpg

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Dunkman  
Earlier this year

Well that just confirms that he's over paid on performances, he stayed at Sixers as there was no one else interested in paying top dollar.

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Jonno  
Earlier this year

Re Humphries, I think it was a risk but a risk worth taking on a boomers level 24 year old big man who when fit and firing is in the MVP conversation.

It didnt work out this season sure, but I now sort of think he may be worth persisting with going forward even on good money.

The reason I think this is Xavier Cooks

His first 2 seasons with the Kings were troubled with injuries and not really massively productive.

He came back at around 24 like Humphries is, Cooks is now 26 and playing at a high level and would be one of the first Aussies signed by any club if he were available.

2019/12 Cooks averaged 7p, 2a, 9r in 20 games
2020/21 Cooks averaged 10p, 2a, 5r in 8 games
in the current season he is averaging 14p, 2a,9r and has played all of Sydneys 16 games.

His first 2 years with Sydney are pretty similar to Humphries first 2 years in Adelaide playing 19 games and 6 games, so is it out of the question that Humphries like Cooks gets healthy next year and plays at a high level.

Yes its a big risk, especially with probably big money attached, but it may pay off if we stick with him.

I do also get the counter argument of hes injured too often so why bother with him, but I have trouble writing off a 24 year old like that and Xavier Cooks and the kings this season is why I would try and stick with him.

To make it work though, we probably need to be able to spend kings type money and have 3 top imports from the start of the season to pair with McCarron and Humphries.

If the 36ers say had the equivalent of the kings 3 imports to pair with these guys we would have a really good starting 5.

Hopefully with no more JVG and his genius processes that never work, we can go down this path going forward.

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