Held in Malaysia, September sometime.

Why would they pick now before 16s if it's sept? Is it tge same coach as Oceania’s?

R u talking state teams or n.t players that have been selected?

OP is saying that the camp participants have been finalised ahead of the U16 Asia Cup, not the team.

Righto, very early. Before AJCs...

The camp is in June.

is this list available ?

The players know, I assume BA will announce it next week.
If anyone knows it'll be Weedy!

I don't, jay probably does. Massive knows a few.

Be interesting to see how many are available with quite a few injuries. Be hard to choose more than 20.

dont no all the lsit at moment. do no several vics added from metro and country. one is a really good pg.

Said pg has also been reported before and removed from state program due to behaviour issues

Correct, Massive and Browny.

Therefore the question must be do we promote and reward players regardless of their poor behaviour to a national level just because they are decent players - one would think not if you refer to the basketball Australia National Framework for Ethical Behaviour and Integrity in Basketball - Appendix 1A Code of Conduct for Elite Level Participants

how long can it be held against them browny9191? she's had her punishment. she must be geting picked if she's in and JS is injured. had it not been for a few misdemeaors then she wold probaly have been picked anyway last year.

I don't think the team will change much, Asia Cup -I’m guessing...

TBD guard
Elliot in for Sherrington
Hocking
Olechnowicz
Smith
Moke
Tavete
Ryan
Richardson
Mapp
Johnson
Manyok or Clague

-Couple of other bigs with a shot over those at COE. Ilic, Trout etc
-PG most important player in asia and a problem area for this current sapphires team.

Massive yes she has had a punishment but the poor behaviour has continued - incidents at ecc bad enough that she was removed from state program

How many chances does one get and What example does that set and what message does it send ?

Will have to agree to disagree on this I think

No problem with your view browny. Can see its merit but maybe I don't no the whole story.

I have lots of other issues with the set up of hp in a few states and BA including how this cycle looks like it’s been done.

3 bottom aged selected from nsw. any players from tassie or wa?

Mine is second hand info which it's always risky, but I’ve heard players from NSW, Vic and SA were the only ones selected.

And QLD.

Ah yes !

https://www.australia.basketball/news/4265464/sapphires-squad-selected-for-u16-camp

(21)
Fakalata
Catip
Elliot
Hocking
Bonham
Tako
Smith
Olechnowicz
Moke
Seiz
Ashby
Tavete
Shanahan
Ryan
Richardson
Trout
Mapp
Ilic
Lukell
Johnson
Clague

Agree with Weedy. Team won't change much if at all looking at that list. Last team mostly did enough to get another go.

You have to shake your head about some selection tho. It isn’t based on performances from what I have seen. If selected you get a return for free ticket in some cases and it looks harder to get out than in.

BTW glad Herbert is leaving CoE. I had high hopes for him when he started and then he wouldn’t leave the golden triangle of ACT/VIC/NSW and development of many dropped of.

Change in nt coaches would be my next move. Introduce a merit based process might be a start and positive change. Some transparency is needed. Far too many better ones are overlooked. Next one will no doubt be a PL buddy.

Other than that all good!

What is going on here with selections?
3 bottom agers from nsw sets the tone. A couple of bottom agers overlooked in my opinion - vic metro Jones is an outstanding player and sa metro Gribben looks also to be the goods - both will dominate in my opinion at AJC U16. I've followed Gribben from a far - not from sa but for me was a stand out at ecc and easily beat two named underaged nsw players in the game I saw - works hard both ends. See she has been selected as a bottom aged u16 all Australian afl player . Don’t follow afl so can’t make comment on this.
Some COE girls not invited to the camp- and some not in AJC U18 vic teams invited what’s going on here? Some not tested at the highest level seems off.
Absolutely agree qld and vic should dominate this squad with excellent players and how they have finished at AJC u16 2024 and u18 2025. SA hp must be pretty ticked off with this selection when they finished 2nd at AJC 18s 2025 and 3rd at AJC 16s 2024 and only have one selected- Elliot. Also think her name is Hardin was also very good at both tournaments.
Do we know when the team will be selected as is it promoted on social media as a "training camp" not a selection camp?
Like the name says just a dad don’t know a lot but have seen a lot and appreciate emerging talent
And I disagree @Massive a few talls, forwards and to somewhat guards were not utilised in clutch games think there will or should be changes

Those players will get a chance if they perform at the upcoming u16 ajcs.

Genuinely curious how are these selections are picked... does it go off rep stats, who you know, if their parents were somebodies…?

Interesting fakalata being picked when she's been kicked out of the Victorian hp program for numerous off court behaviour… no doubt she’s talented but not sure how this is allowed… she must be a shoe in for the team.

I also think Jones deserves a run in the squad.

Definitely think vic and qld will be dominate but think Elliott should be in … Hardin should also get a run in the squad.

Who to replace Herbert do we think?

Unfortunately for Asia Cup, athletes are not selected from their performance at u18 Nationals. It is the individual States HP Managers that put forward their list of chosen athletes.

and head coach just picks from those put forward?

From the list above, I'd go with...

Fakalata PG
Elliot PG
Hocking CG
Smith SG
Olechnowicz G/F
Tavete SF
Ryan CF
Richardson PF
1 of Ilic or Trout PF/C or smaller Moke SG
Mapp C/PF
Johnson C
Clague C

Some from ajcs should make it to the next camp and put pressure on those above.

some states do not rate there 2010s. more bottom than top ages in a couple of teams. not many getting a pass for next camp even if have a good champs.

NZ girls team named:

Emilia Ainley / Nelson
Sienna Bourke / Logan (QLD)
Charis Broughton / Tauranga
Shamar Broughton / Tauranga
Madelin Eliadis / Melbourne (VIC)
Kalena Hogben / Diamond Valley (VIC)
Ava Jones / Canterbury
Areta Kahura / Tauranga
Sienna Maurice / Harbour
Riley McClenaghan / Tauranga
Maniah Taefu / Canterbury
Nahala Toeleiu / Wellington

Some familiar names to Australia... Bourke, Eliadis, Hogben & Toeleiu (former Nunawading).

No Rasmussen unfortunately.
Hogben made the switch from Samoa, same as Toeleiu.

NZ wont trouble the medalling teams at Asia. None of the kids who played or are still playing in Aus would have made the Aus team.

Usually a battle between Korea and nz for the last spot although Phillipines should also challenge in the coming years.

Some late changes to the squad? I'm told Jones has been added. Late additions have a habit of getting picked in the team and we need another PG. Could it happen again?

It's just camp 1.

No Ilic again, second time she's pulled out of the squad.

No Ilic again, second time she's pulled out of the squad.

any idea when the team is selected now camp has finished?

Watched COE vs Hornsby yesterday, Manyok is really developing fast so I'm surprised she did not make the list. She was at TC though.

Manyok participated in the camp.

she wasnt on the list.

I'm aware.

Jayhoops is correct

Anyone heard whats happening here? Must be close to announcing the team

Heard it was zooms yesterday so probably know by now so lose lips will be spilling soon.

i heard the team is

catip
fakalata
olechnowicz
hocking
smith
richardson
seiz
tavete
ryan
trout
mapp
manyok

on the hole probably close to what you would pick based on what went to the camp with some locks but some slightly lucky imo.

@massive Surely that can't be the final team for asia. Has that been announced yet?

Not a bad squad if true, I know a few are not available.

Lineup?

Fakalata/Catip
Smith/Hocking
Olechnowicz/Tavete/Seiz
Ryan/Richardson
Mapp/Manyok/Trout


Johnson, Clague, Moke and Sherrington out from oceanias

I believe Moke is in

given the lack of shooting on this team, you would think she'd be in.

my bad. im told moke is in not manyok. third hand info tho.

That would leave them very small... tallest player 6'2.

I thought that aswell but bigs did not do great in oceania or camp by feedback i heard so thought mapp might be used as a 5 not 4 this time. is ther any real bigs in other countries? china has more 7 footers?

I haven't seen the other countries rosters apart from NZ and the Phillipines.

Mapp was the C at oceania, backed up by Johnson, Clague and Manyok, 1 C too many imo.

If your squad is correct(which probably isn’t accurate) having only Trout as the other 6’2 big would be a mistake.

Minimum of 1 but preferably 2x 6’4+ in asia is needed, if they are mobile...
Mapp is a solid rebounder and a good defender and unfortunately 1 of the above Cs is out injured atm so Manyok would be a must imo.

Crocs beat China in game 2. Lost game 1.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YwjLmfZ3pws

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMVE1J3kg8k

game 1 highlights

the big from Knox, Yahya Basaraan is a great addition to the team

Could have played for Turkey, good hands but pretty slow footed.

Heard the Crocs lost to NZ as well.

Team could do with a few changes, 3 guys really struggling to make an impact.

Anyone seen a list of the Crocs players competing in China? Have not seen it on socials

J Aryang WA
Y Basaran VIC
A Browne NSW
L Byrne VIC
T Dammers VIC
A Edwards WA
W Hamilton VIC
S Johnson WA
I Jorgensen QLD
A Mabbott VIC
A Machar SA
L Paul WA
M Pavey VIC
A Watene QLD

In the girls team I see the outside shooting as a possible weak area. The recent nationals in Brisbane was:

moke 32.1% (17/53) - ranked 26th
tavete 30.8 (8/26) - 31st
smith 30.0 (9/30) - 33rd
catip 24.1 (7/29) - 47th
hocking 19.1 (4/21) - 68th

DeepWombat is that the team or the trial squad? If so, only 14 trialling as opposed to the usual 20/21?

It's the selection squad, limited to a tournament size team, with 1 out due to injury

Cecil not a chance?

No idea, but I he was the injured one. I imagine they will announce the team shortly after this tournament ends

VM athletes would of had to be selected prior to u18 Nationals and NJC. Serious questions would have to be asked about our States pathways?

Which states? What questions?

VM is Victoria Metro.

Crocs win Game 3 vs China 77-59

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OwDADdKD82Q

Very mixed results for our Crocs in China.
Against China 2 wins and 1 loss and against NZ 1 win and 2 losses.

Yup, kiwi boys + men program flying atm.
Hopefully they can get the women's program up and running.

Sapphires:

Catip
Fakalata
Hocking
Manyok
Mapp
Moke
Olechnowicz
Richardson
Ryan
Seiz
Smith
Trout

Pretty good squad

Fakalata/Catip
Smith/Hocking/Moke
Olechnowicz/Seiz
Ryan/Richardson/Trout
Mapp/Manyok

Tavete and Clague missin out
Sherrington and Johnson n/a

Great to see the Crocs actually play some warm up/trail matches. At this point I wouldn't worry to much about results, they beat China in Game 3 without Will Hamilton.. and Antonio Browne looks really really good.


It seems Luke Paul is the injured player, he wasn't suited up for any of the games.

the 3 centres in
Y Basaran VIC 7'1
A Mabbott VIC 6'11
A Machar SA 7'2
look to be really good at this young age.

Add Jayden Cecil and if they can add/find a 6'9ish power forward who can shoot its looking like a really good team. Many more matches/tours leading up to the world cup and they could do something.

Its to bad the NBA global Academy closed and Basketball Australia didn't expand the COE intake to 18-20 to cover the loss having more players (with exposure to the US system) was clearly working, big big loss


A team like the following would be great..

Browne/Cecil/Watene
Hamilton/Paul
Aryang/Byrne
Jorgensen/??
Basaran/Mabbott/Machar

Not bad Boomboomer. Watching the YouTube clips our talls and inside game looked great, although not too many 3pt highlights.
On the team, I worry that we are be too inside heavy which may build too much shooting pressure on too few?
Given how well AB is playing, I don't think you need 3 x PG. Maybe Cecil to SG.
Would also shift Aryang to a PF and Hamilton to a SF which unlocks another shooting spot given our need.

PG - Browne + Dammers or Watene (one of)
SG - Cecil + Paul + ???
SF - Hamilton + Byrne
PF - Jorgensen + Aryang
C - Mabbott + Basaran + Machar

Saw a few of the highlights and was impressed with Machar's development since last year. At 7.2 if we can get him the right coaching he will be unstoppable.
Don’t think Cecil trialed.
Byrnes and Hamilton will have to move to a SG/SF role.
I would have put Keogh in the mix, think he is the best PF in the 09 group but looks like he has been overlooked again.

Keogh playing for nz.

Good pick up for NZ.

Indeed, makes them even stronger before the WC.(if they qualify)

Keogh is a great talent. Strength to the basket his major asset, also picks up a high number of boards. AUS u16s have many players who excel in this area and would have been tough choosing between the likes of Jorgensen, Byrne, Hamilton, Keogh, Wilson, etc as can't have them all. Given the AUS depth, if a secondary option is available in NZ then why not seriously consider it. As Baseline indicates, the loss to AUS will be NZ's gain.

Keogh now on the Aus u18 select team, so maybe still a chance?

I don't think so, unfortunately. I think the team will be 12 of the 14 that went on the China tour, mainly because it was part training camp, part selection tournament. With the possible exception for Cecil as he was supposed to be there, but was out due to injury. The Crocs will leave for Mongolia in 6 weeks, and the team hasn't been announced yet. We really leave things late with the junior boys!

Select team beaten by china u16s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHu0OybV_lk

No Surprise really Weedy. You wouldn't expect a Vic Select team with mostly bottom agers to beat China's National side?

Why was the AUS Select side made up of only Victorians?

It's now an annual tournament - the Australian team are the winners of the boys U18 Nationals. Vic Country won it this year, but were missing a few players due to other commitments, so there were a number of fill-ins from Vic Metro.

It's now an annual tournament - the Australian team are the winners of the boys U18 Nationals. Vic Country won it this year, but were missing a few players due to other commitments, so there were a number of fill-ins from Vic Metro.

That makes sense. Thanks

Crocs announced:

https://www.australia.basketball/news/4322901/crocs-up-for-fiba-u16-asia-cup

Yahya Basaran (VIC)
Antonio Browne (NSW)
Lucas Byrne (VIC)
Tom Dammers (VIC)
Alexander Edwards (WA)
Will Hamilton (VIC)
Isaiah Jorgenson (QLD)
Alex Mabbott (VIC)
Josh McCann (VIC)
Luke Paul (WA)
Max Pavey (VIC)
Andrew Watene (QLD)

This ain't right...
Surely Missing some players to injury.

Some big calls. Must be some quite different views between State coaches and Crocs selectors!

Some big calls. Must be some quite different views between State coaches and Crocs selectors!

McCann out of nowhere, no Aryang or Machar. Cecil mia.
Did not factor in the select team either or those in form in the domestic comp.

Aryang has broken his leg unfortunately. He will be missed.

Dam, that sucks. Hopefully a speedy recovery.

16 teams, much bigger than the women's field and more competitive.
Should be some improved teams compared with 2023.
-missing out on qualification for the WC would be a disaster.

Basaran and Pavey look the only two that didn't make their respective State side for u18 Nationals, so I don't necessarily think selection views of coaches differ too much

Aryang a big loss

Don't mind the McCann selection, he can shoot, although I thought he was out with a broken arm

The Edwards v Machar selection must have been close

Wouldn't surprise if Cecil elected to stay in the US

Big calls.

https://www.basketball.com.au/news/australian-crocs-prepared-for-fiba-under-16-asia-cup-held-in-mongolia