Anonymous
Years ago

Alternative to Pro/Rel and Current Format

What about this for a compromise between the pro/rel lobby and the current system. Each has its limitations so let's find some middle ground to the current stalemate.

All 12 team grades.

Div 1 and Div 2 each consist of:

The 9 member clubs + Eastern

The next best 2 (or more if member clubs do not take up their spot) sides which could be member clubs 2nd sides or a non-member club/ Country association). Rankings are based upon the lower age group 2 years ago (eg U/14 2006 rankings based upon U/12 2004 final placings).

Div 3 and down as nominated but with no more than 12 in a grade, except for the lowest 2 divs which will have equal numbers eg 7+6, 7+7, 8+7, 8+8 etc).

11 round grading season + 2 weeks finals (no change from previous years).

Clubs re-nominate in January based upon performances in grading season.

Finallists from a lower division may challenge a member club's 2nd side / non-member club side for a spot in the higher division if the challenged team finishes 11th or 12th. These games take place on the Sunday of grand final week (eg 1 or 2 days after grading season grand finals) and are determined on the Monday before when finallists are known.

Rounds 1-11 , round robin format.

Then split Div 1a top 6, Div 1b bottom 6, Div 2a top 6, Div 2b bottom 6 etc.

Rounds 12-21, 2 round, round robin

4 Round Finals (can be done in many different ways but currently is a Final 5) for both a and b groups.

I think this takes the best things of pro/rel and provides some protection for lower member clubs so that they can always play Div 1 if they like but not get thrashed every week, or they can choose to play Div 2 as some have opted for this year. It also allows member clubs 2nd and 3rd sides or non-member clubs to play at the highest level if they are good enough.

I am sure there are some holes in it, but that's what discussion is about.

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AKA  
Years ago

Sounds good to me!

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Instead of summer and winter season have a "pre-season" and main season.

Keep Div 1 to 10 teams; allowing the next best team to go up if a club does not nominate a Div 1 team.

Pre season is only nine weeks and finishes before Xmas. I am not too bothered if there are no finals for the pre-season.

Make the main season 27 weeks where each Div 1 side plays all the others 3 times.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

This is virtually the same as the current system as it has no grading component, however it does provide some opportunity for 2nd sides and non-member clubs.

The aim of the 12 team proposal is to find a compromise between the current system and full pro/rel which is seen as too cut-throat by lower ranked member clubs.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

10 teams for the grading season, bottom 2 Div 1 teams drop down to Div 2, top 2 Div 2 teams come up to Div 1 for the main season.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

What about teams down in div 2 and div 3. There are more blow outs in these age groups than div 1 and 2. This is due to clubs not being able to judge what level a team is and generally just put in the division below the team above them.

Pro/rel covers all changes for all teams and grades. Plus there is not 10 teams capable of playing in division 1. but 8 makes it possible to run a 3 round competition. Same for all of the grades below.

The idea is not to have div 2 teams playing up in div 1 unless they are more than capable. But rather to have div 1 teams that are more capable of winning games in div 2 against similar level competition. Ans so on and so forth for all divisions.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Well then have ten in Div 1 for grading season then drop bottom 2 Div 1 teams down to Div 2 for the main season. Bottom 2 teams in Div 2 drop to Div 3 and so forth for each division. Not sure what happens to the bottom 2 in the bottom Div....ok leave them alone

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Anonymous  
Years ago


Are you planning on putting teams up? If not then you will have an 8 team comp and and 10 team comps? If you are,then what if the teams that are in div 2 are better than the teams in div 3? Same for the div1's and div 2's. If these teams never play, how do we decide who is better?

Without the pro/rel style of allowing for teams to qualify through a series of qualification rounds you are esentially doing the same thing, but without the safeguards of making saure each team has the ability to qualify.

With only 1 round over summer. Dropping 2 teams means that we might have a larger disparity over winter. Not to mention that a 10 team competition doesn't work over a 22 round competition. And BASA can't afford to drop it back to an 18 round comp.

it needs to fit the BASA calander and maximise income for BASA to servive.

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