Freddy
Years ago

Referee Rankings

Since the topic of recent discussion has been pro-referee, just wondering who people believe the top five ref's in the state are?

IMO

1. Phil Haines
2. Nathan Wieland
3. Andrew Filmer
4. Geoff Weeks
5. Nathan Durant

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Lyn Wieland  
Years ago

I'd reply but I reckon I 'might' have a biased opinion:)

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yogee  
Years ago

I would like to comment, but given my level of basketball committment, I think I should abstain from this one :)

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Freddy  
Years ago

Thats the whole point to it, its just your opinion and your right to it :P.....

c'mon people :D

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Wise guy  
Years ago

Geoff Weeks
Carolyn Tsakalos
Phil Haines
Andrew Filmer
Nathan Wieland
Wayne Maidment
Benn McDonald
John Clover
Amy Rorhlach
Tristan Graham
Neal Bridgeman

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Nathan Wieland  
Years ago

You can't rank NBL ref's below me Freddy, thanks, but... I'm not better than them.

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dj  
Years ago

who cares?

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Isaac  
Years ago

Some people care. If you don't, ignore the thread.

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White Lightning  
Years ago

I'm just glad that nobody rates that bald headed daniel bloke. He and filmer would have to be the worst I have ever played under. What about "Beamsie" even when he makes a bad call it's good to watch and the actions makes you forget about the bad call.

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Alf  
Years ago

Daniel Haebich... I agree :)

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Hoop Addict  
Years ago

I think most people agree - although I think it's to everyones benefit if we see him on the floor in black & white than on the bench in black & red (with the infamous cap).

My Top 5

1. Phil Haines (long way ahead of the rest).
2. Geoff Weeks (even after all these years).
3. John Clover (best of the 'new breed').
4. Nathan Wieland (not far behind John).
5. Andrew Filmer (by default. There's just no talent!).

Benn McDonald has got too far, too quick. Out of his depth at 'high-end' ABL and WNBL. Amy isn't ready for that stuff, either. Carolyn doesn't rate a mention, because as far as I know, she's 'retired'. Maidment is passed it, but is still reasonable value. Tristan Graham is probably the best of the rest.

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Cat in the Hat  
Years ago

Hoop,

Mostly agree, but would probably fir Tristan into my top 5 at the expense of Filmer. Nathan Durant would also have to be close.

Wiseguy,

Bridgeman? Are you kidding? What a shocker!

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Wise Guy  
Years ago

What's wrong with Bridgeman?

Durant has good game, a few years off yet.

How about junior refs? Who's in the next wave of good refs?

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Hoop Addict  
Years ago

Bridgeman isn't that flash. Shouldn't be as high as he is, in my opinion. Same could be said for Welbourn, Andrew Just & Daniel Haebich.

Durant is only 21/22. I think he'll be a good ref in years to come if he controls his ego.

Not a whole lot of really good young refs, from what I've seen.

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basil faulty  
Years ago

they are all a bit rank !

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basil faulty  
Years ago

jason's my man - go the lightning bell !

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Isaac  
Years ago

Which one is The Concierge and which one is the Bellboy? The former is clean-cut, dark hair, maybe 6'? The latter is shorter, blonde I think. They ref'ed the Sturt-North finals game.

Also, who's the guy with the brushed forward hair (maybe streaked or bleached too)?

We need some ref nicknames to up the flair.

Yogee knows which ones I mean and told me who they are, but I have no idea. Wieland was one of them, but I can't remember which. Durant was probably another; rings a bell.

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Nathan Wieland  
Years ago

LMAO...

Isaac, that makes me the Concierge while Andy Filmer would be the Bellboy.

Hair brushed forward sounds like Phil Haines.

Nath Durant's has the goatee.

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benny  
Years ago

you gotta know big Jase !

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Isaac  
Years ago

Yep, that's the crew!

Now, I think you could say stuff like "Not in my hotel!" when you call a foul.

Or for a sub, something like "Checking in?"

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Nathan Wieland  
Years ago

I'd certainly use it if I was refereeing with you involved in the game. Everyone else would be concerned for my mental well being but it'd be fun to do. Any chance of that happening?

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Hoop Addict  
Years ago

Isaac - you'd certainly make an entertaining referee :-)

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disco stew  
Years ago

I wanna see some black flares and body shirt hugging tops !

PS - can't ref in platform shoes !

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Isaac  
Years ago

Any chance of people questioning your mental state, or any chance of me playing in a competition that has referees?

No idea, and probably not!

ShaqDiddy saw my form on Saturday at the windy courts in the city and it wasn't pretty!

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Freddy  
Years ago

Well wasnt expecting such a good discussion :P.....

okay so we have the senior refs,

what about juniors? those younger guys battling to make a name? Even if you dont know the name maybe a stadium where you see that often or description?

Freddy

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starsky and hutch  
Years ago

ralph, wayne H, kym, john mccormack, jack haines

all the dome vets - smooth operators

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unknown  
Years ago

Geoff Weeks is my man

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ahem!  
Years ago

10 top STOP
kay trelor
helen gleeson
debbie ryan
bill alexander
frank byrt
andrew lea
cynthia hughes
nick gillings
bev schemmel
annette mchugh

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ahem!  
Years ago

stats rankings
barb dunn
tracy rosser
bert bargeus
andy campbell
karen wesley
john ramsey
betty roffey
and those who think they are gods eer good

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unknown  
Years ago

does anyone like carolyn gelosky

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unknown  
Years ago

by the way now sure on that spellig

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yogee  
Years ago

Actually, the "Bellboy" is Ben MacDonald, rather than Filmer.

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Way Off  
Years ago

I like the idea of giving some respect to those on the STOP and Stats panel but at least use facts not just people you know.

As for stats Wolstencroft brothers are up there with the best as would be the dude with the hats who does sixers games and did Sturt ABL games last season. (You know who you are ;-) )

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Deano  
Years ago

Hmmm - well I know who I am.... no idea who YOU are though!?!?!

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Nathan Wieland  
Years ago

The game in question was the Qualifying Final at Hillcrest between North and Sturt 17/07/04 (83 to 74) I refereed with Andy Filmer.

The Woodville guys were out watching, sitting at end of the Sturt bench.

Carolyn Tsakolos (nee Gillespie) is an extremely successful referee, she's ref'd a season of WNBA and a Gold Medal game at a World Championship.

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Isaac  
Years ago

I'm going to need photos. We can't have people being allocated the wrong nickname here... But I'm pretty sure that was the game.

When calling a travel, maybe say "Can I get you a taxi?"

Double dribble: "Can I help you with that?"

And I'm sure "Room service!" could apply somewhere.

That's enough; back to work for me. 17 hours and counting today!

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Hoop Addict  
Years ago

No wonder you're postings are crazy, Isaac.

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Isaac  
Years ago

"Your", not "you're". Up since 5am, but still sharp!

Want to see a classic photo?

Check it out.

The guy on the right is a chef who owns a restaurant in India. For some reason he's pretending to beat up one of his staff. We actually stayed with the guy (the chef, not the staff member) when we were there. The closed eyes of the waiter are pretty funny, eh?

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Hoop Addict  
Years ago

My mistake. I was half way through writing something else, then changed.

I'll endevour to do better next time.

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Nathan Wieland  
Years ago

Yeah, it's the right game because you mentioned about bellboy making blowing his whistle by mistake. That happened at Sturts end, he was going to blow a foul then realised it wasn't. Yogee, ya need to brush up on the difference between Benny and Andy.

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Isaac  
Years ago

HA: "endeavour". ;)

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yogee  
Years ago

Well, Isaac told me at the All Star that the bell boy was the guy with the blond tips in.

Considering Ben Mac was the only one there fitting that description...well.....Isaac IS Isaac....and unless Weeksy has had some hair work done (but I think he see's Phil Smyth's barber :) )

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yogee  
Years ago

By the way guys, how about some love for the Woodville stats bench :)

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Nathan Wieland  
Years ago

Gotta make a correction with Carolyn's achievements... She also refereed the Bronze Medal game in the Sydney Olympics.

Yogee, you can't have been around for long. I know most scoretable/stats people, if not by name certainly by sight and probably enough to spark up conversation. Scoretable/stats people are all apart of the Officials team - they get our love.

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Moochie Norris  
Years ago

I don't know too many of the junior refs names, but is there a Josh Wilson-Smith or similar?? We had him a couple times this year and he was excellent. Welbourn would be my favourite junior ref by miles. Other refs who I like, but haven't seen around at juniors for a while include Clover, Tristan, Durant, Ben McD, and the guy with dark hair who raises his fist/arm for foul calls in slow motion (classic style!). Phil Haines would be the best ref I've ever had. Undoubtably forgotten a few others or didn't know their names.

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Nathan Wieland  
Years ago

John Clover and Josh Wilson-Smith have the U20M1 final on Sunday.

Tristan and Nathan Durant have the U18B1 final.

Benn is away on holiday and Phil doesn't do Juniors much these days.

I'd be the slow arm raiser with dark hair - I'm on the U18B2 final with an up-coming ref named Mark Frost.

"Let me get the door for you"

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Isaac  
Years ago

"Charge. Will that be cash or credit?"

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Nathan Wieland  
Years ago

Carry: "Looks awkard, do you need assistance?"

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Grey Area  
Years ago

Disqualifying Foul: "Let me show you the way to your room!"

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TB  
Years ago

Double Dribble: "Can someone get us a mop, we gotta clean this mess up".

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Nathan Wieland  
Years ago

Travel: "You missed the bus today"

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TB  
Years ago

8 sec backcourt: "Running a bit slow today are we?"

Shot Clock: "Look, we dont have all day to wait"

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Nathan Wieland  
Years ago

3 seconds: "Move on, nothing to see here"

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TB  
Years ago

Foot violation: "would you like cutlery or are you able to use your hands?"

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Nathan Wieland  
Years ago

Pushing foul: "You break it, you bought it"

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Matt Pepicelli  
Years ago

I'm sure nathan, you would agree nnothing is quite as good as one of "Bluey" Scrivens "Groping Foul" calls, complete with the groping hand action!

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Nathan Wieland  
Years ago

5(6) fouls: "Hope you enjoyed your trip as much as I did"

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TB  
Years ago

Blocking foul: "Step aside, this guys trying to make a delivery"

BTW nathan, do you wait till someone else has posted before you post your next line? We better be hearing some of these tonight.

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Paul Arnott  
Years ago

Nathan - at which stadium will we be able to see these antics tonight?

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Nathan Wieland  
Years ago

TB,

I doubt the parents would appriciate (or understand) the comments.

Cancelled score: "Transaction declined"

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Nathan Wieland  
Years ago

Paul,

I'm at Pasadena tonight, 7.15 Crt 2.

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TB  
Years ago

I believe he's at pasadena... but from my perspective, and others that read this it'd be ammusing to hear. You do know who I am dont you nathan? Whens our next TI meeting? ;)

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Steve-O  
Years ago

What are the refs like as ppl?

They seem a funny lot. They are kind of underground, hanging out amongst themselves and rarely talking to others.

Whereas we all love the game of basketball for interaction in the heat of the battle, amongst its many qualities, the refs seem to shun interaction from all in sundry. Why is this? Even when you are fortunate enough to bump into a ref it seems difficult to speak to them.

The refs want to be treated with respect as ordinary ppl then they should act like ordinary people. Or am I wrong...

The exceptions to this rule would be:

Mal Cooper
Nathan Durant
Phil Haines
John Beames
Welbourne

When you are an idiot these refs are some the best trash talkers. Better than most I have played against. They turn a confrontational situation into something fun and are never afraid to have a chat and give it back, served with a smile.

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tin tin  
Years ago

nathan, is that the 18/2's?

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tin tin  
Years ago

oooh, sorry mate, just read the rest of this thread... 18 2's it is

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Nathan Wieland  
Years ago

TB,

Not sure who you are. I didn't want to run a meeting before finals so that it wouldn't effect how the games were called.

Yeah tin-tin, I've found my standard.

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Nathan Wieland  
Years ago

TB - penny dropped, of course i know who you are. :)

Did you make it to the GF? Is your mum going to let you play?

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Alf  
Years ago

Steve-o, I don't think its that they dont try to be ordinary people I think its just highly uncomfortable to go up to people that have abused you the last time you saw them! Also, there are people who seem to just naturally hate refs so your kind of unsure as to what the reaction would be from them.

On the other side of that I've known refs to regularly hang out with people they have met while reffing and even go out with them!

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Nathan Wieland  
Years ago

Matt, I heard Scriven say something on Wednesday night which made the player standing next to him drop his jaw in surprise. Nath Durant and I were in shock.

Illegal screen: "the fire exists are only used for emergencies"

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TB  
Years ago

You'll find out soon enough nathan... and it wasnt my mums decision if i played or not. Was all up to the surgeon whether it was safe to play.

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Lyn Wieland  
Years ago

Nathan you didn't tell me you had changed jobs, now I know what to buy you for christmas.

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Runa-Lon-Gway  
Years ago

Nathan Durant and Paul Welbourne are the most underrated referees going around. Comne-on people, least they act like a person and knows when they make a mistake and are not affraid to admit it. They also when a coach has made a mistake and are also not affraid to throw shit back.

Unlike the referees that believe they are always right. I think you all know who you are.

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Nathan Durant  
Years ago

How can you rank me within the Top 5 Freddy??? I think you have missed a few people that are ahead of me. But hey, I'll take the compliment.

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Nathan Durant  
Years ago

I like your exceptions list Steve-O, but I think there are a few more people that need to be included. But both myself and Mal have had a few drinks and chats about how to deal with players/coaches. It would also help if players and coaches treated the referees like people, not aliens. I enjoy the social side of basketball and the amount of post-aba-beers I have shared with players, coaches and referees would reflect that.

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unknown  
Years ago

Bring back Butler?
Up and coming ref's are wilson smith and i think tall blonde guy - Brad?

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Tall Blonde guy, Brad, Doesnt ref anymore. He has turned into a football player that plays 2 mins in a GF and dislocates his shoulder and needs a re-con from it.
So there must only be one up and coming referee going around

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Nathan Wieland  
Years ago

Yep, that's Brad, he had all that it took to make it to the highest level, but lost his love for the game.

The other person you talk of is Josh, he refereed the Div 2 Womens GF.

There are a couple of guys of the same age but need tution to be at the same level.

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yogee  
Years ago

Nathan....I also was on the bench for All*Star weekend (sorry this thread got buried and I missed a few days worth!!).

And we were all first season at Woodville this year. I'll say hi when I see ya next (I'm pretty damn hard to miss!!)

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Lyn Wieland  
Years ago

yeah Nathan we were all first years on the bench at woodville this season.

come and introduce yourself to us one day:)

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Lyn Wieland  
Years ago

Yogee I think you will find that John R has been assisting with the stats for 3 or 4 or even more years now and Sharna has been helping out on the games for a season or two.

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Rookie  
Years ago

hmm, Alf r u talking about me????
I am very approachable!

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Alf  
Years ago

1 of 4 people that come to mind.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

who are you alf?

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Rookie  
Years ago

hahahahahahahahahaha, alf as someone said before, go back to melmeth! oh and eat more chicken!

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Alf  
Years ago

CATS Rookie CATS!

Melmac love but close :P

Why do you want to know Anonymous, does it matter?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

yes, yes it does matter. I'd just like to know who you are when reading your posts. They seem informative and I'd just like to put a name to the posts.

Are you going to reveal?

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Hoop Addict  
Years ago

Go back to Melmeth? Hmmm... seems big Benny has an Adelaide lady-friend! ;-)

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Alf  
Years ago

Sorry I'd rather just keep my alias.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Rookie,
Is that what you call yourself - approachable!

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...  
Years ago

My top 3....
Wayne Maidment
Daniel Habeich
Daniel Troy

Pasadena have to worst ref's ever

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My top 3

Wayne Maidment (Approachable)
Phil Haines (Technically Correct)
John Clover (Under-Rated)

What would I know though. I'm from the wrong century.

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MadMan  
Years ago

Hey Isaac, don't mess with the chef, dude. I'll come after you with my cleaver. :)

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Anonymous  
Years ago

this isnt a fighting post its about refrees so stay with the topic

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Matt Ryan  
Years ago

Back Court Violation: "Sorry...Employees Only!"

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Anonymous  
Years ago

way to bring back a 5 month old thread matt...

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Matt Ryan  
Years ago

I'm sorry, but I only found out about this forum one week ago.

And I came up with a good one!

Plus, I was just getting out of hospital when this thread started.

So, who are you Anonymous?

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A-Train  
Years ago

I think Mike Chioda is a pretty good referee.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

,,,

y the hell would you think pasadena has the worst refs?

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