XY
Years ago

Majstrovich a Sixer? Your thoughts...


Boti has reported that the Sixers are looking to Adrian Majstrovich to fill one of the remaining spots with the Sixers...

http://www.theadvertiser.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5936,18845050%255E12428,00.html

Is this another beat up or is Adrian close to signing?

AM is listed as a 201 cm SF/PF, averaged 9 ppg (46%) and 6 rpg for Perth in 04/05 and 8 ppg (36%) and 4 rpg in only 12 games for NZ last season. Pretty poor season last year with NZ which was interrupted by injury.

If Majstrovich joins the Sixers, it will be his fourth NBL club.

Phil has had some success with cast-offs from other clubs in the past. What do people think about the prospects of AM as a Sixer?

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Joe M  
Years ago

At least we know out 9th or 10th player will be able to contribute to the on court stuff; he has shown he is capable to play at this level. What I remember about him at Perth is he has a bit of excitement about him; he likes to dunk and doesn't have much trouble getting up stairs. Reliable jump shot but considering it nearly mid April and free agencies has been available for 6 week now, why hasn't he been picked already? That why we know he isn't a gun but a role player

good move IMO if it all works out.

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Indiana  
Years ago

Good off the bench7/8 man, good rebounder..Bit soft maybe?

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Isaac  
Years ago

I wonder what this means for the import they had in their sights? Hopefully they got him cheap because we still need a real standout, and so far the signings are all guys who can contribute at their best, but are a notch below the Maher/Farley/Rychart's of the team.

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Jasmine  
Years ago

Isaac...Exactly. Losing Dusty, Holmes, Forman & Rees and gaining Copeland & Wheeler isn't exactly a fair swap. It's not even close. If the Sixers sign Adrian Majstrovich it does very little to improve the ratio of players lost to players gained.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

I think they still need a SF (not an import) and that would be including have Majstrovich in.

C Wheeler/Cooper
F Import/Majstrovich
F ???/ Nash
G Farley/Copeland
G Maher/Hill

or more likley

C Wheeler/Cooper
F Import/ Majrtrovich
F Nash/ ABA SF
G Farley/ Copeland
G Maher/ Hill

Compared to last years...

C Cooper/Rees
F Rychart/Forman
F Holmes/Nash
G Farley/Gower?
G Maher/Hill

We should still have enough to sign a a good enough small forwood to replace Holmes and a really good PF import. We have lost players that are worth quiet a bit to players worth hardly anything. (Payed cash)

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Bonz  
Years ago

Nice pick up if you can get him at the right price...which they should. Makes for a pretty solid bench.
I wonder if they delay in annoucing the 2nd import is because they have targeted a quality player and are just trying to iron out the terms?

Rumors have been flowing that they are close to an announcement, names have been thrown about...when will it be confirmed?

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Kent Brockman  
Years ago

what did people say when we recruited Cattalini, Nash, Sapwell, Rees, Maley and Garrison?

Lots of negative comments about those signings at the time.

I like AM's game it is a more athletic version of Jake. If you gave AM the same minutes as Jake i dont think the stat line would be all that different except that AM's FG% will be greater.

is there any stats on per minute production we could compare the 2 against each other with?

Compare Cats numbers in Perth before he became a sixer with what AM was producing there as well.

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Isaac  
Years ago

Also, now having read The Advertiser article, I can see their interest in him. Because he's still under contract to New Zealand, the Sixers can likely get him for minimum. In that case, he's worth a shot.

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Stephon  
Years ago

Majstrovic would be a great bargain pick-up.

NZ cut him with a year to go on his contract meaning that they would be paying a decent proportion of his salary.

I agree with Kent's assessment and the fact he can play SF or PF provides extra insurance in the event of a Nash injury.

Would be a great pick-up as he can contribute immediately unlike the other names being mentioned to round out our squad.

If we manage to pick-up this 200-205cm scoring forward together with Majstrovic then we have a decent looking squad for next season as long as we stay healthy.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

what are these other names?

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Sixers32  
Years ago

Sixers still need a SF

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hurley  
Years ago

hes not an import... (despite his name) he was born here and even played for one of our junior national teams.

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Isaac  
Years ago

I only mentioned the import because I had assumed that Majstrovich might come at a price that could impact what they had to spend on an import - then I read the article and realised it wasn't going to be the case.

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Fiji  
Years ago

My thoughts on the article are that Adrian probably should contact Foreman, Holmes, Newley, Ingles etc etc etc to ascertain why they didn't think Adelaide was the place to further develop their talent.

Must be a common denominator somewhere!!

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Stephon  
Years ago

Fiji, I would suspect that Majstrovic is at a stage of his career to Oscar and Jacob where he wants to play for a coach who provides him with confidence and freedom offensively together with more importantly, some court time.

Smyth has a proven record in this respect and the 36ers could well be a great situation for Majstrovic.

I don't think that Oscar and Jacob would complain about opportunities from an on-court stand-point.

Both have had decent court time (Oscar's was a bit sporadic at times but he was on the court in the final seconds of a knock-out final showing complete faith from the coaches) and both appeared to be given a relatively green light on offence.

However, I suspect that Oscar and Jacob are at different stages of their respective careers to Majstrovic.

Who could blame them for wanting a few years in a Dunlap like situation where they are pushed all week in training to improve individually to the best of their potential.

Adrian probably only wants the opportunity that Oscar and Jacob have already been provided. IE relatively consistent court time and freedom in games.

Re Anon: the other names that have been mentioned to complete the squad as reported by Nagy are guys like Dodman, Sutton, Harris, Hambour, Gower, Zorich, etc.

I wouldn't trade Holmes + Forman for Majstrovic and Nash in a million years but they do provide a decent small forward combination for what would no doubt be a budget amount.

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Fiji  
Years ago

My thoughts on the article are that Adrian probably should contact Foreman, Holmes, Newley, Ingles etc etc etc to ascertain why they didn't think Adelaide was the place to further develop their talent.

Must be a common denominator somewhere!!

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Jonno  
Years ago

I think it would be a good move as he is young and proven to be a decent player in not huge opportunities, i hope he turns out to be a bit like mark nash. Last week on talking hoops i think it was mentioned brendan mann may be a possibility of playing for the 36ers. what to people think of a line up like
C Wheeler/Cooper
PF Import/Majstrovich
SF Nash/Copeland
SG Farley/Hill
PG Maher/Mann
I reckon that would be a reasonably solid team, possibly better than last years

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Sixers33  
Years ago

Could they get mann?
Is it possible?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

has Mann really made it at NBL level.

he was behind McKinnon (Brad) Trahair etc at OZ97 when Australian under 22 won gold.

McKinnon went off into the wild blue yonder.

Remind just what has Brendan Mann achieved over the past few years?

As we have gramps Copeland, elder statesman Maher, and baby Hill, what do we need with a maybe he has it maybe he hasn't type player.

I'd rather go with Vandenbergh
trialled with the Tigers, played with the Cannons, and consistently dominates the ABA.

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wolly  
Years ago

a personally think it would be good to hav him on our team at a very small price tho. if we pick up him and an outstandin import we end up more succesfull than we are all thinking now. who knows wheeler and copeland might shine this year

The Ten
c wheeler/ cooper
pf import/gower
sf Nash/AM
sg farley/copeland
pg maher/ brad

reserves
1 gerlach
2 dodman
3 hambour
4 sutton

i hope that adelaide surprise us all and bring us a championship. it happened in 2002 y cant it happen this year. CARN THE SIXERS

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XY  
Years ago


At first I was thinking that this would be a bad move, I have never been all that impressed by AM, he seems to be a perennial underacheiver.

However, after having thought about it at bit, I think he is the kind of guy who *could* thrive under Smyth and play an important role off the bench. Only time can tell whether he can be another player whose career Smyth can miraculously revive after being discarded by a number of clubs.

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lockstock  
Years ago

please give up on the Vandenbergh comments you've got to be kidding me

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EC  
Years ago

How many bargain basement players can the Sixers afford? They might not cost much individually but add up when you have too many and they take away from what you have left for a decent import. There is still a 20 + 10 scorer hole to fill in the team. The more cheap players you get, the less you have left over to fill that spot. I don't know why they are looking at this player when its not what the team needs right now regardless of cost.

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Karch Karai  
Years ago

Have to agree with lockstock. Lets stick to reality.

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TC  
Years ago

If he's as cheap as reported then money for value wise then he's prbly not a bad option off the bench. As long as the money spent on him doesnt cut into what we can offer an import then i'm all for it.

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EC  
Years ago

Daws said they would be spending the whole of the salary cap, therefore, any money paid to new recruits has to cut into what's left for an import. I thought the Sixers only needed 1 more position to fill other than Development players and that position would go to an exciting import. Where will Majstrovich fit in? Surely he is not the candidate for that last position. Season ticket sales start at the end of this month. We are yet to see anything that is going to draw crowds. Other than Maher & Farley, the team needs another real "star".

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Sixers33  
Years ago

they will have an import as well EC

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Stephon  
Years ago

EC, you stated, "I don't know why they are looking at this player when its not what the team needs right now regardless of cost."

We have lost two SFs in Holmes and Oscar and replaced them with ... no one.

Not only that but we don't have a PF on the roster whatsoever.

It is blatantly obvious that a player that can play SF/PF off the bench would be ideal.

We have to suit 10 players on our roster so whether we are paying say $30k to Majstrovic or $30k to a current ABA player won't really eat into what we have to spend on our import by any large degree.

The bigger question in my opinion is how signing Majstrovic will eat into Hill's time.

The 36ers coaching staff have been saying that Hill will get more minutes this season at the 2/3 spots as well as back-up PG.

With Farley + Copeland at the 2 and Nash + Majstrovic (if signed) at the 3, there don't appear to be a lot of minutes at those positions.

I'd like to see Smyth go small and field the following team:

PG Maher/back-up such as Mann
SG Farley/Copeland
SF Hill/Nash
PF Import/Majstrovic
C Wheeler/Cooper

11 + 12 Dodman + Hambour

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Stingray  
Years ago

Good pick up for the 36ers, He suits their game.

Although its obvious that the team is in big trouble, Smyth and co have not just paniced, they are still going for players who suit the system...not changing their system.

Commend them for that atleast...

D

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Anonymous  
Years ago

i dont reckon majstrovich will b cutting into the import wage, like they have only got 7 players, need 10 so at the very least they need 2 minimum spots plus a import, so if majstrovich is just taking one of the minimum (or close to min) spots i have no prob wit that, im sure they wouldnt let signing there 9th man compromise the spot for the star import

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Anonymous  
Years ago

PG Maher/Hill
SG Farley/Watson
SF Copeland/Nash
PF Import/Majstrovic
C Wheeler/Cooper

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Anonymous  
Years ago

who the heck is Watson?

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Isaac  
Years ago

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Thomo  
Years ago

im pretty sure AM contract a large part of it (70-90%) of it will be paid by NZ as they released him from a year to go on the contract so its definetly feasable to contract AM for min or just above so by calculating that sixers still can comfortably spend the max on import

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Anonymous  
Years ago

what calculations are you doing to show that they can comfortably spend the max on an import?

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wolly  
Years ago

if we get AM and someone from the aba both on minimum we should get to spend the max on an import

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Anonymous  
Years ago

what makes you say that? i hope youre not assuming that everyone from last year is going to be on the same wage this year.

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wolly  
Years ago

my understanding is that we have room for 2 mimimum payed players and one really good import who we could spend the max on.

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XY  
Years ago


'Everyone from last year'

Maher
Farley
Hill
Nash
Cooper

That is not a lot of returning players. So to consider some of the common assumptions and rumours from this site in considering the possible increase in wage for the above guys:

The assumption at the time Farley's contract was concluded was that it provided for a large increase in the second year. Let's say $25K.

Everyone already assumes that Maher is pretty much on max salary. Say ($10K)

Hill will get rookie wage increase at best ($5K?), Nash deserves and will get some increase for showing that he is capable of seeing a year out (10K?), Coops no increase.

On the above assumptions, those amounts are covered by the increase in the cap.

So it is not like you would be saying: 'take last years salaries for the above guys and multiply by 1.5'. They will be increased, but not enough to effect the Sixers ability to hire a full squad.

Then you have still got to take out Dusty, Holmes, Oscar and Rees' salaries for last season and the rumour that the Sixers did not spend all of the cap last season.

Add AM and Copes (both cheap), Wheeler (not cheap but far from max) and there should be plenty left for an import.

If you are aware of some gross error in the assumptions that people are making, I suggest you enlighten everyone...

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Isaac  
Years ago

I would estimate the current signings (7) as costing $525 - 650k and I'd guess the real figure might be closer to the middle or higher end, rather than the lower end (especially since the lower end is assuming all seven are on bargain deals).

Now, that leaves $125-250k for three players. Take out say $45k for your minimums and you've got $80k-$200k for your import, and like I said, I'd be very surprised if it's closer to 200 than it is to 80.

I'm guessing Dusty, Reesy, Oscar, Jacob and Hambour got maybe $340k. Remember that Hambour was on minimum, Reesy not on heaps, and Oscar was getting paid well under his market value. Take out $100 at least for Wheeler and you've got $240k. Take out Majstrovich, Copeland and another minimum and tell me how much you think is left for the import? And that assumes that the retained players aren't chewing up the cap increase (optimistic, IMO).

Maybe they've got $150k (the max, assuming Maher is the designated "franchise player" getting $175k), but they need a very very good player to cover for the departure of Rychart.

It's easy to assume that we could get Majstrovich for minimum, but as soon as another club shows interest, you'd think that the winner at auction will be paying a bit more. That drives down what's available for the import.

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EC  
Years ago

Isaac, I couldn't have put it better myself. My immediate thought was the fact that the Sixers are only 1 of twelve teams. If Majstrovich is to be so cheap because he is already being paid out by NZ, then every team will be out to land this bargain. All the other teams are yet to complete their rosters, therefore they will all have a place for a good cheap player. Then it becomes a pricing war to get him. Lets face it, money is the strongest driver of where a player accepts a contract. Anything else comes second.

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XY  
Years ago


You always run the gauntlet with these things EC. But the Sixers would be as good a fit for AM as anywhere I would think.

That said, he may want to go back to Perth where he would know what to expect - not sure if they would have him though.

If we had to bid against other teams I doubt he would be worth pursuing. But given the number of clubs he has previously played for and let go by, he is unlikely to be too high on anyone's priority list IMO.

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Panther  
Years ago

I wouldn't be surprised if AM does look at going back to Perth. He's from there and Perth have just lost Burston to South Melbourne so they will want to fill that hole.

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DDFan  
Years ago

Just on TV. Maestro's a SIXER. :)

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Thomo  
Years ago

heard the same, allthough they did say he was due to sign tommorow,

either way a positive signing

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