Here are some tips:

12 Boys Forestville
12 Girls Forestville
14 Girls Forstville
14 Boys Sturt
16 Boys STurt
16 Girls North
18 Boys Sturt
18 Girls Sturt

But you might not be able to speak for days.

You could be mistaken. The games will be closer than you think and very few real clear winners IMO.

U12G: West-Forestville. 1st 2 games Forestville blew them out of the water, but West have come back hard last two games. Should go within single figures.
U14G: Centrals-Forestville. The results for Forestville have gone +31, +13, -5 and that's a constant 18 ppg improvement each time to Centrals. It's on neutral ground so could go either way. Within single figures.
U16G: North-Forestville. North have gone +21, +9, +18 and should get this one
U18G: Tigers-Sturt. Another close one. Tigers have gone -2, +7,+9 so have the 2:1 split with +14. It is as Pasadena though, so the reffing usually gives Sturt +10 and fouls? "what foul?" Within single figures.

U12B. Forestville have gone 3 from 3, will end up 4 from 4.
14B. Centrals are 2:1 and are up +23. Why would Sturt win? Oh, that's right, it's being played at Pasadena. Sorry Centrals, it's OK for us to grab and push tonight. Could go either way, but needs good umpiring to make sure it does.
16B. Both teams are 1 win each, but Sturt are +10 on the split. Should be within single figures....hang on, it's a Pasadena. Could go either way, but needs good umpiring to make sure it does. If a player is grabbed from behind on a fast break it should be an unsportsmanlike foul.
18B. Sturt-Tigers. Results went 2 & 1 with Sturt going -9, +5, +16, +12 split with Sturt and they are improving so should get this without the help of the refs tonight.

Jack, you do know that Ref's are currently centrally rostered and they the same ref's dont ref at the same stadium each week font you??? Hence there is no such thing as home ref's right! Only the ignorant would think otherwise!

And #379578 or should I say some Southern parent. Getting mutiple unsportsmanlike fouls does not mean the refereeing was inconsistant.

Again, centrally rostered ref's that are not from Pasadena.

Centrally rostered finals by BSA

Div 1 games should be at DOME.

Yeh, right

No Canteen, no Bar

Or was that Pt Adelaide last two weeks?

No Bar at Pt Adelaide for two weeks.

Wayville is not available due to the show, and the Dome would cost over $500 for the night, Pasadena would cost $0.

Blue Devil, don't confuse cash flow with cost.

Cash flow wise, yes, BSA don't have any cash flowing from their accounts tonight. The cash flowed out at the end of the month when they pay their rent on the stadium.

Cost wise, if they don't do it already, BSA need to "charge" their district competitions cost centre a fee for tonight to ensure that the true cost of the competition is reflected. It would be very foolish accounting not to do that.

That Makes no sense Jack.

At the end of he day BSA would spend that $500 that they otherwise woud not need to spend.

How they account for it is inconsequential. They would be $500 worse off.

Hopscotch, It's actually common accounting practice.

BSA have secured stadiums at a long term lease rate of $X/month. In order to recover that cost they hire the stadium to clients. In the case of a district club, it's a pretty clear landlord/tenant arrangement. The stadium gets used for Z hours per week and the rental is $Y/hr. As BSA have secured a good rate for the long term use of the stadium, it is in their best interest to ensure that they are making a bit of money on the deal and so if the going rate is $35/hr for stadium hire and they can get it for an affective $25/hr, then they should be sub-leasing it out at say $30/hr to provide some benefit to the long term tenant as well as making some money for the association. Only a fool would secure something for $X and aim to get $x back for it, not $X+ a bit.

Now, the crunch part comes when they are the tenants AND the landlord. This occurs during district competition, state champs etc. When budgeting the competition in order to determine the nomination fees, BSA need to allocate a set rate for their stadiums to reflect the true cost of holding the district competition. If they assume zero contribution from the stadium, or a significantly lower hire rate, then they are kidding themselves, the true cost of the competition is not reflected.

I'll take a non-basketball example to show you. I'll pick on Isaac because I know he has a fancy red car. Let's say Isaac's business is paying $1,000/month in rent for their premises. That's an overhead cost of doing business. Based on the number of widgets he sells, the cost of that rent is reflected in the sales price of that widget. Let's say that he then buys the premises. Just because he now owns the place, doesn't mean he don't pay no rent. It's tempting to now pay zero rent, the actual costs of production go down and he can potentially drop his price to his customers, but if he does that he is not getting any return on his asset and not accurately reflecting his true cost of business. By maintaining that rent charge, the $1,000/month rent effectively goes from one of his pockets to another, so it becomes a savings exercise for him. Those savings then accumulate and he is ahead in the long term. After all, if his business wasn't there, then he could get someone else paying the same money as he is.

The same deal applies to BSA stadiums. Securing a long term lease to reduce the costs of incoming hire is good business sense. By not obtaining the best return from that arrangement is poor practice. BSA and/or the basketball community need to get rid of the attitude that the stadium is free. The stadium is not free, the costs associated with the running of the competition have been reduced.

BSA need to charge themselves the proper court hire rate to reflect the true cost of the competition. The extra revenue then accumulates and can go into growing the sport.

(Apologies to Isaac for using him as an example, but hopefully people can realise what should happen)

I don't really care where it is played, I am not arguing fairness. All I am arguing is the fact that people who thing the stadium is "Free" tonight are fools. The stadium is not free.

Regardless of where the game is played tonight.

1/ BSA will be paying the exact same amount for the lease to Pasadena.

2/ If they were to use the court at the Adelaide Arena, it would cost them a further $500 for the night. Above and beyond what they are paying already to lease Pasadena.

Yes it is not "free", but it would be an extra cost to BSA that they dont need.

Jack for CEO

So much butthurt. Butthurt everywhere. Ha! So funny and sad at the same time.

How did games go?

U14B Centrals by4pts
u!4G Eagles by 8ish
U16B Norwood by 9
U16G North by about6

18s boys level, girls Sturt by 5 in 3rd

Eagles Under 12 Div 1 Girls won by 18 points tonight against West

U18 Boys Sturt 68 - Southern 64

Division 2 under 12 boys, Southern vs Sturt went into Double OT. Southern scraped home a tight win.
One certain ref did a superb job!

u12G eagles beat west
u12B Fville beat sturt
u14G fville beat centrals
u14B centrals beat sturt
u16G north beat fville
u16B norwood beat sturt
u18G ???
u18B sturt beat southern

that was probably the best under 12 game I've ever watched.....
The standard (for a div 2 game) was incredible!!

But of course, the Southern parents were a very rowdy mob, Sturt parents were very well behaved. Same with the coaches, well done to all!!!!

I have not been to watch a game of basketball for about 2 years. Went and watched the U18 Boys GF game tonight.

Hell of a game.

Some great moments from both sides played hard and tough by both teams. Both teams deserved the win. Sturt got out by 6 on the back of some triples and then back to back triples for Southern to tie it up. Some nice blocks and one massive in traffic dunk (some of these guys are so athletic). Both teams shot the three ball really well. Crowd was passionate (without sillyness) on both sides and rode every bucket. Back and forth all game but a big NBA length three pointer to seal the game for Sturt.

I'll even hand it to the refs. Crowd, coaches and players from both sides wanted calls but I thought they were quite neutral. They let both teams play without getting out of hand. Only one inconsistent call IMO. The tech for descent on Southern. Not saying it was the wrong call but definitely inconsistent as there was a case the for the same call of descent later in the game on Sturt side.

All in all a very entertaining game of basketball with great plays from some very talented players on both sides. Very glad I decided to go watch.

dissent

hahah, cheers thought I got that wrong but at this time of night I couldn't care

Morphett vale results

U12,14,16,18 Girls all Forestville
U 12 boys Southern
U14 Boys Forestville
u16 Boys Sturt 1
U u 18 Boys Sturt

Big night for Forestville away from home

a classy Sturt troll..

trial run for a week or two's time

What venue at MV had good seating last night?

Games played on courts 3 and 4 , everyone jammed into these courts, no seating, 6 lights out

Come on, it was bloody terrible

So the picture is like this for U12-18

Div 1
Forestville 3 winners U12 B-G, U14 G
Sturt. 2 winners U18 B-G
Centrals 1 winner U 14B
North 1 Winner U16G
Norwood 1 Winner U16 B

Div 2
Forestville 5 winners U14B , U12-14-16-18G
Sturt 2 winners U16-18B
Southern 1 winner U12 B

Total
Forestville 8 premierships
Sturt 4 premierships
Southern 1 premiership
Norwoord 1 premiership
Centrals 1 premiership
North 1 premiership

leaner years ahead for sturt as forestville continue to rise and be the only premier club in sa ?

710, Oh dear, who has been told "your son/daughter has a better chance of making state with Sturt" this time?

Ahh Jack, the hypercrit speaks.

Name 1 club who is not getting kids from other clubs???

Jack, seems your Centrals boys program is doing just as good a job of poaching, probably using the "possibly best coaching line up in SA" speil again, or the "we will get you a college scholarship line".

Haters gotta hate. And hypercrits gotta comment.

Looks like I have touched a raw nerve eh "Bunnings"

I see this is your "first post" on Hoops so you may not understand sarcasm when you it.

I am sure all clubs try to attract the best kids to their club. The rate of recruiting (poaching) from other clubs is actually quite if you care to look at the statistics, but kids do swap clubs for a number of reasons. Massaging the egos of parents who have underachieved in their sporting career and promising that their Little Johnny/Jenny will do better at another club and make state teams because the state coaches are there is an old chestnut. I have heard it all before with come kids changing clubs because a state coach for a particular team was at Norwood, or Sturt, or Forestville, or Centrals. Did their Little Johnny/Jenny make the state team? Don't know, but if they were any good they were going to make it regardless of where they were.

Have you got the runs on because you're one of those who makes those promises?

Would love to see those numbers Jack.

I would assume you are making them up on anecdotal evidence. Based on a myth.

Player movement between clubs is pretty low. Using Under 16 Div 1 Boys Winter 2012 season as an example. Based on where those players played Under 14 Div 1 boys two years before, I can only see 3 boys who swapped clubs, some are playing different divisions and some are not playing at all. Out of say 100 players, only 3% have played at two clubs, hardly massive numbers.

What % of kids do you think change clubs?

Jack, your the one tellig stories about a club poaching. You tell me? And your the one telling stories about a club promising State positions. Have you got any evidence? Or are you just re-telling blatant lies to try and cut down a tall poppy? You do know that if a SASI player moves to the club of a State coach my understanding is a $750 fine, have you got evidence of that happening???

I'm not telling any stories about clubs poaching. If you read my post above, I have stated that inter-club transfers is very low. I doubt if any of those 3% were poached.

Judging by your over-reaction and you banging on about SASI coaches, it clear "poaching" is a raw nerve for you. Why is this such a raw nerve for you?

710, Oh dear, who has been told "your son/daughter has a better chance of making state with Sturt" this time?

Isn't that what you said? Or was that someone else writing under the name Jack Toft? Wouldnt that be poaching?

Oh dear, like I said above, "I see this is your "first post" on Hoops so you may not understand sarcasm when you it."

Unfortunately, you have proven my point that sarcasm is only understood by intelligent people. How are those knuckles from dragging along the ground?

Really, doesn't sarcasm include voice inflection? Not sure when you tried to prove a point about someone else's intelligenace through that sledge?

Does that mean that if I were to say that I heard Jack Toft was sleeping with his own Mother that it would be sarcasm, that I would really be calling you a "motherFu$%#r"? Cause I would think that that would be inappropriate as it is a lie.

Oh and calling people names while hiding befhind a keyboard is a bit childish really.

Jack Toft whoever you are, keep posting, keep up the sarcasm, keep the whingers/whiners honest and keep the responsible public entertained and informed.

Bunnings is just another SASI coach from Sturt

Hopscoth 40, I will.

Bunnings, you have absolutely no credibility. A comment is made about Sturt poaching, Jack jokes about it. You fly off the handle and play the man (Jack). All you have done is confirmed you have participating in poaching.

LOL, wow.

I can just see it now. The mighty Jack Toft saving baskeball by battling as a keybopard warrior. With all the work he is doing there will be no more poaching, all clubs growing stronger and we can all sit around the camp fire and sing Kum-by-yah.

You guys need to get a life. Or actually get out and do something for your club.

LOL, wow.

I can just see it now, the mighty LOL riding into internet forums all over the country with their "keybopard" six shooter gunning down posters.Because you dont need to get a life LOL you have the life, wow.

But whats this Jack Toft has started another post and another and has commented on another! Surely LOL this cant be!

LOL your "keybopard" six shooter fires blanks.

LOL, Wow.

So its fine for you to post on this thread LOL, and you have a life, and others who post on here don't?
Its also fine to make the assumption that all and sundry just post on here and have no involvement in our Clubs?..WOW

Thing is that it looks like some of you people think that writing here is actually going to achieve something.

Kind of depressing.

Great Simile Anon! Brilliant! Love it!

2 current boys in the U14 teams from Norwood. 2 more boys and a coach from Norwood for next season. one who will go into the U14 team.

Here is a few stats to consider after the GF.

Boys Premiers(a mixed lot)
Sturt 10.1,14.4,16.2,18.1,18.2,18.4
North 16.3,16.5
Tigers 10.2,12.2,12.3,16.4
F/Ville 12.1,14.2,14.3,14.6
Cent 12.4,14.1,14.5
Norw 16.1
West 18.3
Magic 16.6

Girls Premiers(F/Ville way out in front)
Sturt 10.1,18.1
North 16.1
F/Ville 12.1,12.2,12.3,14.1,14.2,14.3,16.2,16.3,18.2
Norw 10.2

it's a free world and if they wan't to move it is up to them. no ifs or buts.