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Max Power
Two years ago

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Big V SCM 2013

So does anybody know the make up of the Big V next year. I think that they are going with a 10 team comp in SCM

Bulleen
Corio Bay
Diamond Valley
Eltham
Hume City
Melbourne
Ringwood
Sherbrooke
Waverly
Werribbe

That would mean that there are only 15 teams in D1M, not ideal for confrences.

Is there another team going up (that would be ideal) or another coming up from D2M?

Anybody know?

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Anonymous
Two years ago
12:39 2 Nov 12

Reply #385589

re: Big V SCM 2013

Would assume that Craigieburn, being last seasons D2 Champs, would be coming up. Presuming Sunbury are not relegated, after finishing last for the 2nd season in a row, that would balance the conferences out as Craigieburn would be a irect replacement in Werribee's conference.


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Tom
Two years ago
14:41 2 Nov 12

Reply #385609

re: Big V SCM 2013

Sunbury avoided relegation last year surely they can not avoid it 2 years in a row.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
15:20 2 Nov 12

Reply #385617

re: Big V SCM 2013

The only issue with NOT relegating Sunbury is that you would then need to find two teams to bring into D1 and into the Western conference.

Craigieburn are an easy one to promote being the D2 Champs, but the 2nd team to promote would be more difficult. Keysborough, also being grand finalists, could be sent up but they're in the south and were relegated to D2 only 12 months ago.

The other catch is that only last season Warrandyte, McKinnon, Camberwell & Blackburn all came up from D2. With Werribee being promotod and last years influx of teams from the landscape has changed significantly.

It's not like other years where a strict promotion/relegation system NEEDS to be applied.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
20:08 2 Nov 12

Reply #385661

re: Big V SCM 2013

Altona came last after head to head, not Sunbury, Both will stay Div 1, Craigeburn just replace Werribee and its all the same.


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HO
Two years ago
06:33 5 Nov 12

Reply #385923

re: Big V SCM 2013

One of the criticisms of the BigV in recent years has been, as someone out it here recently, their "socialist" decision making.

Corio Bay's admission to the league was criticised because they put a brand new club, with few junior or development credentials, straight into Championship, thereby encouraging them to recruit heavily in order to be successful.

I have heard similar criticisms of decisions made regarding McKinnon's womens team last year.

What is the basis for Werribee's promotion? They did ok in D1 last year, but did not make the GF. Have their juniors been performing well? Is their YL team stacked with up and comers who will help them be successful, or will Werribee need to recruit heavily to be competitive?


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Anonymous
Two years ago
07:13 5 Nov 12

Reply #385928

re: Big V SCM 2013

BigV need to decide if they're a participatory based competition or performance based elited competition, especially for State Champ.
Entry into State Champ should be based solely on performance in Div 1 in my opinion.


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HO
Two years ago
07:50 5 Nov 12

Reply #385932

re: Big V SCM 2013

#385928

I agree they need to decide on what sort of competition they want to be.

As for State Champs entry, I would hope they take more into account than just D1 performance, such as:

- strength of juniors
- long term coaching / pathway within the club
- likelihood of returning College players
- capacity to support both genders in the program
- quality of venue and amenities

The real concern with BigV is that it is now recognised officially as Victoria's State championship for seniors, which for a long time it wasn't - they need to restore its prestige and you don't do that just throwing teams all over the place.


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anon
Two years ago
08:46 5 Nov 12

Reply #385940

re: Big V SCM 2013

Big V is getting to be all about participation, just like the VJBL. Lets get everyone playing and forget about quality. All you need to do is look at the level of competition in the juniors and realize that quality means bugger all to BV. Many of the clubs exist just to pay for the Big V teams they have. One in the south east in particular come to mind. That club has a pathetic history of below average results and is currently putting parents in charge of teams because they cant attract real coaches. Thats club only continues to pay for the deep pockets required by the champ men and womens teams.


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Tiger Watcher
Two years ago
11:03 5 Nov 12

Reply #385966

re: Big V SCM 2013

Outside of a few larger associations (Waverley,Ringwood,Eltham,Hume City) it is pretty much a small club league.

The only reason those big few associations aren't in SEABL more relates to a lack of support from there junior programs not wanting to put up the dollars required to play at the next level as i'm sure all could field competitive teams with the right imports and club support.



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anon
Two years ago
12:14 5 Nov 12

Reply #385985

re: Big V SCM 2013

Tiger: Hume city has been covered enough here and is a total basket case for one reason only, Ringwood is a "big club" but a tiny Association and is relegated to the EQ ranks when it comes to juniors. They will really struggle to field decent Big V teams without going well outside the club for the vast majority of players. Waverley would have the $$ for SEABL but not the mentality with to many cooks and only one chef. Eltham is not far in front of Ringwood and has crap courts just one step up from Venom. None of those you mentioned could ever look at SEABL especially in the next few years. Its more likely that some SEABL clubs come back to Big V as $$ become harder to come by.


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HO
Two years ago
12:23 5 Nov 12

Reply #385991

re: Big V SCM 2013

Anon. How many of these (Championship) clubs have genuine "ABA" class venues? Also, do you have an insight into how well Werribee's juniors have been going?


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Anonymous
Two years ago
12:44 5 Nov 12

Reply #386000

re: Big V SCM 2013

Hume are the only association in BigV Champ with a venue really worthy of being classed as a propper State Championship level/SEABL venue. But as mentioned they aspire to mediocrity and are for all intent purposes a basket case of a club.


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Tiger Watcher
Two years ago
14:20 5 Nov 12

Reply #386020

re: Big V SCM 2013

I agree with you all in terms of the facilities as Hume are really the only club that is up to SEABL leavel in that respect.

My main point was size of the association as i think you'll find of the Big V clubs Eltham/Waverley/Hume could put together SEABL level teams and compete if they leveraged off the junior bases they all have.

Eltham & Hume really are the two i see as assocaitions with the size to make the step but without knowing the internal politics or the club ethos it is hard to judge why there junior commitees are pushing them to get there seniors more organised and throw more cash at making it happen!





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Anonymous
Two years ago
14:30 5 Nov 12

Reply #386023

re: Big V SCM 2013

Hume refuse to ever consider going back to SEABL while Milner is there, they left because it was easier to downgrade their expenses and program then look to grow and find income sources. They also no longer have a strong jnr program which further erodes the link, look at their State Champ teams, barely a club junior in them anymore.


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anon
Two years ago
18:34 5 Nov 12

Reply #386091

re: Big V SCM 2013

^ wrong hume city state champ mean have at least 3 club juniors in their team... better than most other teams


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anon
Two years ago
18:34 5 Nov 12

Reply #386092

re: Big V SCM 2013

men*


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Anonymous
Two years ago
18:47 5 Nov 12

Reply #386097

re: Big V SCM 2013

Wow!!! a whole 3, only 1 had any impact, big deal, id say every other State champ team has more than 3 and more than sitting at the end of the bench, look at their Youth League teams, both finished LAST, the future looks real bright at Hume City.


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HO
Two years ago
18:57 5 Nov 12

Reply #386098

re: Big V SCM 2013

careful #386097,

don't start counting juniors, you'll get the waverley and corio bay people all steamed up again....


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anon
Two years ago
19:03 5 Nov 12

Reply #386099

re: Big V SCM 2013

lol someones a bit angry aye


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Anonymous
Two years ago
19:21 5 Nov 12

Reply #386104

re: Big V SCM 2013

There's a rumour going around the Hume stadium is going to be renamed the sandpit: Because that's where the committee all have their heads buried :-)


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Anonymous
Two years ago
09:59 6 Nov 12

Reply #386147

re: Big V SCM 2013

I'd like to see people gather some truethful information/stats before commenting, especially when it comes to talking about junior programs. That way you wouldn't sound like an absolute idiot by stating your opinion as facts...cough anon cough!!


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HO
Two years ago
11:05 6 Nov 12

Reply #386153

re: Big V SCM 2013

Which is my point #386147, the league seem to be making decisions based on "we have a team, good enough to play this level, can we play now..." rather than "ok, you have named a team, but what do you look like in 3 years time, where are your next generation coming from etc."


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Anonymous
Two years ago
11:26 6 Nov 12

Reply #386158

re: Big V SCM 2013

HO, there are a few long standing teams already in State Champ who have no visible means of feeding a Champ level program into the next 3-5 years from their jnr program, so that measure could equally be applied to current teams.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
09:37 8 Nov 12

Reply #386367

re: Big V SCM 2013

Warrandyte was knocked back on that reason from SCM 2013.

Southern Peninsula & McKinnon will be the next SCM teams in 2014.


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anon
Two years ago
13:08 8 Nov 12

Reply #386382

re: Big V SCM 2013

"re: Big V SCM 2013
Warrandyte was knocked back on that reason from SCM 2013.

Southern Peninsula & McKinnon will be the next SCM teams in 2014."


Once again lowering the standard of the competition.


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SABOY
Two years ago
14:30 8 Nov 12

Reply #386387

re: Big V SCM 2013

Seems that Mildura came up from D2 last season and then won D1 this season should they then go to championship? I personally dont think they should as i think they got lucky this season.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
14:57 8 Nov 12

Reply #386389

re: Big V SCM 2013

Mildura are ex SEABL, they know what it takes to put a competitive team on the floor and win.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
12:17 9 Nov 12

Reply #386470

re: Big V SCM 2013

Are Mildura wanting to go up?


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