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Baller
Two years ago

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Can you play college (NCAA) after playing SEABL?

I was wondering if you can of not? Was looking to get a run in SEABL this year but won't if it means that I will be inelegable for college! (If I get the option to go over there). Can someone please help me answer this question!

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Flyer
Two years ago
17:13 25 Dec 12

Reply #394023

re: Can you play college (NCAA) after playing SEABL?

Depends on what year school/study you are doing and what level you want to play


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Anonymous
Two years ago
17:17 25 Dec 12

Reply #394024

re: Can you play college (NCAA) after playing SEABL?

Think it has something to do with getting paid. If you get paid in the SEABL then it makes it difficult, but a few have played SEABL and gone to college afterwards.

I believe they changed the rules a few years ago but forget what the changes were.

Alex Duck for example played SEABL for a few years and then went to Murray State.


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Flyer
Two years ago
17:21 25 Dec 12

Reply #394025

re: Can you play college (NCAA) after playing SEABL?

To play NCAA div 1 you cannot get any form of payment.


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RAV
Two years ago
17:38 25 Dec 12

Reply #394028

re: Can you play college (NCAA) after playing SEABL?

Tai Webster plays for the NZ Breakers & he is going to college next year.

As long as you don't get a financial benefit from the club, such as flights, wages, etc, then you should be safe to play.

I'm not 100% confident, but I think that's reason why Tai plays the home games, because I didn't see his name listed against sydney 2 weeks ago.


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MACDUB
Two years ago
17:44 25 Dec 12

Reply #394030

re: Can you play college (NCAA) after playing SEABL?

Strictly speaking, as long as you don't get paid.

If you don't get paid, you will be fully eligible and colleges will be keen.


You are now, allowed to get some payment as long as it is "essential living costs"...This was the issue of the Enes Kanter case.

But don't even accept "essential living cost" payments because it will just turn colleges away as they don't want to deal with eligibility issues (UK only did it with Kanter because he was such a huge recruit)


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Bear
Two years ago
18:04 25 Dec 12

Reply #394031

re: Can you play college (NCAA) after playing SEABL?

The NCAA has a habit of changing rules now and then, catching people out occasionally.

Anyone who accepts any payments whatsoever could live to regret it over a four year college scholarship.

May not be year one or two but later on, so I for one will be making sure to check with the authorities every year and not take the risk.

Go and play SEABL but do it for the experience and exposure, avoid payments at all costs (pardon the pun), then go to college a little older and wiser...


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,
Two years ago
18:21 25 Dec 12

Reply #394033

re: Can you play college (NCAA) after playing SEABL?

Would not rely on answers here - I would be checking with your future college or aid they would be right up to date


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SMA
Two years ago
18:22 25 Dec 12

Reply #394034

re: Can you play college (NCAA) after playing SEABL?

Hugh Greenwood played with the Hobart Chargers before his New Mexico stint began. Was also a chance to suit up when he returned during mid-year break.

His sister played all last year with the Lady Chargers and she's off to NM next year.


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,
Two years ago
18:22 25 Dec 12

Reply #394035

re: Can you play college (NCAA) after playing SEABL?

Sorry ais - previous typo


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Anonymous
Two years ago
18:43 25 Dec 12

Reply #394038

re: Can you play college (NCAA) after playing SEABL?

check it out properly because I know its ok if you go to college year after you finish High School but know kids that finished school and then 2 years later played QBL ( only a couple of games ) and got to college only to be told the rules have changed you must red shirt 1 year


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Mystro
Two years ago
19:18 25 Dec 12

Reply #394040

re: Can you play college (NCAA) after playing SEABL?

Tai Webster is an uncontracted development player. As development players are not payed nor travel he is fine as was Isaac Fotu. Steven Adams played NZBL as an unpaid rookie and is still eligible. Pretty sure if you google NCAA participation rules the magical interweb will answer your question.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
19:36 25 Dec 12

Reply #394041

re: Can you play college (NCAA) after playing SEABL?

a relevant article by Nigel Purchase on this link :

http://gaze.com.au/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1325:nbl-rookie-innovation&catid=50:nigels-take

or just go to gaze.com


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Anonymous
Two years ago
21:49 25 Dec 12

Reply #394047

re: Can you play college (NCAA) after playing SEABL?

You can play SEABL if it is in the season when you just finished High School.You must enroll at a Div 1 school the following enrollment period or you will be red shirted 1 year.DO NOT accept any financial aid.
The most difficult thing is to get this guaranteed.The NCAA clearing House has no idea what SEABL is and SEABL have no idea about the college rules.Be very careful where you get your advice as the rules change all the time.
Also Div 1 has different rules to Div 2 and Junior 2 year schools are different again.
So all the advice in previous posts is on the mark
Biggest hurdle I see is making sure your enrollment isn't delayed. Techniclly any game that charges admission is considered professional by the NCAA,But in Australia as we charge admission for all junior games a waiver was given on this rule.Just an example of the murky waters..Good Luck.My only experience is my child just went through it and is over there now so i have some sympathy on how dangerous the minefield is


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PlaymakerMo
Two years ago
21:52 25 Dec 12

Reply #394048

re: Can you play college (NCAA) after playing SEABL?

Most of these comments are correct in the general sense, regarding payment, but you should definitely be contacting your club, a state basketball official or inquire with the college(s) you would likely be applying to. Maybe even try contacting the NCAA or Basketball Australia?


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Chewy316
Two years ago
22:12 25 Dec 12

Reply #394050

re: Can you play college (NCAA) after playing SEABL?

100% agree with Mo. You shouldn't be asking this kind of question on a forum. If you are truly serious about going to college, you need to go through the official channels and get something done in writing. Make sure you're the one getting the info and not someone else too, because in some cases it may appear as though you have someone representing you (ie an agent) and thus you lose eligibility.


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Isaac
Two years ago
22:36 25 Dec 12

Reply #394053

re: Can you play college (NCAA) after playing SEABL?

Mystro, has Webster played for them at all? At some point I think it was the case that if you stepped onto the court for playing time, you were due a minimum match payment ($700 or whatever it was at the time).


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Bear
Two years ago
10:04 26 Dec 12

Reply #394062

re: Can you play college (NCAA) after playing SEABL?

Maybe some college eligibility links directly from the Basketball Australia web site may be in order, by the sounds of it there is no direct pathway identified for people to get simple and current answers...

Always a good idea to seek someone who has just been through the process and have a good old chat to them, face to face!


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Mystro
Two years ago
10:22 26 Dec 12

Reply #394063

re: Can you play college (NCAA) after playing SEABL?

yup Tai has played garbage minutes a few times this season, in his first game he fluffed a dunk in the open court and has even managed to get some minutes with Corey. Isaac Fotu also played a few mins last season as a development player before heading to the UH Warriors.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
10:33 26 Dec 12

Reply #394064

re: Can you play college (NCAA) after playing SEABL?

All answers are around the mark, but remember be very carefull. It has been the case when the college have got it wrong. A player was cleared ready to play only to find that the NCAA imposed one year red shirt for breach of rules....CHECK with Basketball Australia and get in in writing, check with NCAA and get it in writing, or just dont play, and head to college asap...Good Luck it is worth it..


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nath
Two years ago
11:40 26 Dec 12

Reply #394069

re: Can you play college (NCAA) after playing SEABL?

AIS players go from SEABL to NCAA every year e.g. Daniel Kickett, wins SEABL All Star 5, then heads to St.Marys, same with Patty Mills


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Anonymous
Two years ago
11:43 26 Dec 12

Reply #394070

re: Can you play college (NCAA) after playing SEABL?

Yeah but both of those guys played for AIS. Almost considered a high school in many regards.


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anonm
Two years ago
14:22 26 Dec 12

Reply #394089

re: Can you play college (NCAA) after playing SEABL?

Another question.. can you go to NCAA div 1 if you're 2 years out of year 12 or do you have to go to a community college?????


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Anonymous
Two years ago
14:59 26 Dec 12

Reply #394093

re: Can you play college (NCAA) after playing SEABL?

ask the school that is recruiting you, they normally have good support staff


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Anonymous
Two years ago
15:11 26 Dec 12

Reply #394097

re: Can you play college (NCAA) after playing SEABL?

You can go Div 1 if 2 years out,but you will be red shirted for the first year


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Anonymous
Two years ago
16:32 26 Dec 12

Reply #394102

re: Can you play college (NCAA) after playing SEABL?

You can also go to an NAIA college div 1 or 2 but they will red shirt you the 1st year as well especially if you have had 1 season or more away from school and played in QBL Waratah SEABL BIG V or any league that has pro or semi pro even if you received no payments I know because helped get a kid into college (NAIA)and 7 weeks before he was due to fly out they rang to say sorry rules just changed you must red shirt 1st year and loose a year eligibility because he finished school 2 years prior and had played 11 games in QBL


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Very Old
Two years ago
22:42 26 Dec 12

Reply #394131

re: Can you play college (NCAA) after playing SEABL?

AIS is/was essentially classified as a residential High School by the NCAA clearing house.

NCAA rules do change on a fairly regular basis.

Within the last 15 years there were enforced NCAA rules thriough which people who played on OZ teams which paid other players ( but not them) to play in the same team were rulled ineligible. Eg SA top open competitions, VBA , SEABL etc. Also in some of those years people who simply played in a league where other teams played some players were ruled ineligible.

CJ Bruton was a good exmple.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
08:43 27 Dec 12

Reply #394146

re: Can you play college (NCAA) after playing SEABL?

I believe AIS was classified as a high school as the students who played there all went to Lake Ginnendara (sp) high school


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ankles
Two years ago
14:33 27 Dec 12

Reply #394169

re: Can you play college (NCAA) after playing SEABL?

My daughter is now playing Div 1 in the US as a fresh(wo)man and in the past two years has played SEABL and QBL over the past two years.

Salient points:
- Redshirting is different to losing eligibility. Redhsirting means you can't play but can practice and study but don't lose any eligibility. Most players get four years of eligibility.
- You can now play at any level as long as you don't accept payment or rewards in excess of the costs of participating - ie, you can fly, travel, stay in hotels, have meals provided but not beyond what they deem to be real costs. This has been introduced to allow the foreigners (like our kids) to play at a level where people are paid without affecting their eligibility.
- the trade-off is you must enrol at your first opportunity or not play (I call it the Andrew Gaze rule) which is meant to combat the foreigners who could notionally play unpaid for five years in an elite competition and then head to the US with full eligibility intact. This means if you finished school in 2012, you must enrol in August 2013 or stop playing organised basketball in November 2013 in order to maintain eligibility.
- academic eligibility is another question altogether as you really need to put this plan in place prior to starting Year 9 (you need four years across basic areas and some other stuff) and took me an eternity to get sorted even though we were wielding an SAT in the 1300s (required a 780 to be eligible for her school).

Its pretty straightforward and there are a number of credible providers who can provide guidance on the issue for you. Start with the NCAA Clearinghouse and don't necessarily trust the school which is recruting you - they have as much trouble keeping track of the rules as we do.

Hope that helps.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
16:13 27 Dec 12

Reply #394178

re: Can you play college (NCAA) after playing SEABL?

Well said ankles..similar position to you and schools get it wrong as much as we do.To the person who asked question please remember you can not declare ANY income through basketball...eg: clinic/coaching payments.
Academic requirements and working out your GPA is good fun to.. lol. Just heard of new rule introduced to...you now cannot miss or repeat any level of school from Year 6 on wards. So some kids who may repeat Year 6 due to travel with family or illness or deemed very young for that level and repeat are now ineligible for DIV 1
Don't get me wrong DIV 1 may not be for everyone either.If you are even at this level you maybe used to huge game minutes and then go Div ! and as a freshman become a bench warmer due to the wait your time rule used by some coach's ,it can be a very lonely existence.
some things you may want to consider if you are fortunate to get several offers: climate(do you like the snow),culture of team( ready to be the token white boy ) or battle with redneck all white racism.How high is team ranked?...higher you go the more assured you would want to be about your ability to force your way in.Are you willing to give up court time for ranking or go lower and have more influence in game. Travel and study can be hard to manage as well....the more isolated the college the more travel time required eating into study time Alaska/Hawaii
One thing brought to our attention at last minute was the style of play.Different conferences play completely different styles..eg: New York vs Nth Carolina is chalk and cheese
Good luck


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Bear
Two years ago
07:33 28 Dec 12

Reply #394200

re: Can you play college (NCAA) after playing SEABL?

Some real food for thought in last few posts. It is not an easy process and yes, the rewards can be quite high, however if you are not quite sure about the University you may be keen on then look further as there are many more out there.

Lots of basketballers start in a Div 2 College and if they can show some good form they can move to a Div 1.

Many options out there, so there is no need to rush your decision, however get in early and do your homework because without due dilligence you can trip over the many obstacles along the way...


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Mystro
Two years ago
10:36 28 Dec 12

Reply #394230

re: Can you play college (NCAA) after playing SEABL?

Tom Abercrombie was ready to throw the towel in after his US College experience.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
11:33 28 Dec 12

Reply #394239

re: Can you play college (NCAA) after playing SEABL?

The last 4 comments are pretty spot on and true to life I know from experiance


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Anonymous
Two years ago
11:37 28 Dec 12

Reply #394242

re: Can you play college (NCAA) after playing SEABL?

You should also know that there are huge differences in conferences i.e some Div 2 NAIA teams would beat some of the weaker NCAA teams in Div 1 and some of the weak NCAA Div 2 teams would be lucky to win a game in say the NAIA Cascade Conference


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Anonymous
Two years ago
14:56 28 Dec 12

Reply #394275

re: Can you play college (NCAA) after playing SEABL?

American college acedemic system also recognises relegion before sports science or business studies, kind of shows you where they are at, doesn't it?


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AnonymousToo
Two years ago
04:26 29 Dec 12

Reply #394543

re: Can you play college (NCAA) after playing SEABL?

My son played SEABL Championship for two years straight out of U18's. He was recruited because of his SEABL experience as he didn't have a National profile prior to playing SEABL. Chances are he wouldn't have been given a Division 1 offer and was signed early. He signed November in his Year 12 year.
Tips:
Play because you love it.
Don't get any pay for playing (SEABL will pay for uniforms, flights, hotels meals etc).
Sit your SAT early.
Enrol in the Clearing House asap.
Good luck!


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Bear
Last year
10:50 3 Jan 13

Reply #395702

re: Can you play college (NCAA) after playing SEABL?

AnonymousToo, when you say enrol at the clearance house asap, would starting year 11 be too early?


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