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East Coast Challenge Results

Are the results of SA Teams further proof the development model in SA just isn't working?

While we continue with out dated programs, in fighting and club politics other states grow and improve.

Lucky for us ACT sent teams.

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Last year
11:38 12 Jan 13

Reply #398284

re: East Coast Challenge Results

day 2 against vics looks a bit down - but some other results ok.

were they full strength state teams ?


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Anonymous
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12:01 12 Jan 13

Reply #398290

re: East Coast Challenge Results

SA only put in one team where Nsw and Vic were diluted by two teams each. In under 18 girls SA came fifth.. (ACT came sixth but didn't show..)


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Anonymous
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12:02 12 Jan 13

Reply #398291

re: East Coast Challenge Results

Well the 16 girls came second and the 18 girls 3rd, not so humiliating really. Vic won all the finals


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.
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12:24 12 Jan 13

Reply #398297

re: East Coast Challenge Results

18g 3rd or 5th ? two above posts contradict


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Anonymous
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12:39 12 Jan 13

Reply #398298

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They definitely came third


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Anonymous
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15:04 12 Jan 13

Reply #398329

re: East Coast Challenge Results

I had a chance to watch the ECC while back in sydney for the holidays and was impressed with victorians professionlism for their juniors. They were very organised videoing each game which i can only assume to show the players as part as their development and preparations for the games. They vics juniors played every game with ENERGY, PASSION & INTENSITY which is a reflection of the vics coaching staffs committment to their development and what the nsw players lacked.

As a basketball fan who played in my juniors in sydney, I felt embarassed seeing the bnsw officials and coaches sitting around in there groups as if they was King Shit! I have since found out who are bnsw coaches & officials. Some of the names involved are a DISGRACE to still have anything to do with basketball particularly juniors who the future of basketball in nsw. Sadly, i was also told the bnsw coaches are the state coaches.

WHAT A DISGRACE!





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Anon
Last year
15:52 12 Jan 13

Reply #398337

re: East Coast Challenge Results

Where can you see the results?


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Anonymous
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16:03 12 Jan 13

Reply #398340

re: East Coast Challenge Results

go to basketball nsw website


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,
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16:21 12 Jan 13

Reply #398346

re: East Coast Challenge Results

Bnsw site and menu under coaches have ecc


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cat
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16:42 12 Jan 13

Reply #398351

re: East Coast Challenge Results

anon 329 sounds somewhat having a personal axe to grind

obviously even sitting in groups is now considered by someone to be a disgrace

what's your personal beef?

daughters/sons non-selection?


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GoVics
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19:14 12 Jan 13

Reply #398387

re: East Coast Challenge Results

It's really not that hard ...

Everyone just has to be in it for the good of the team, not their own personal interests.

That goes for players, coaches, parents and administrators.

If you are prepared to accept the down times (i.e. I didn't make the team) and work hard to improve, the rewards will come.

Go Vics.


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VP
Last year
19:43 12 Jan 13

Reply #398396

re: East Coast Challenge Results

Are there any teams lists anywhere - want to see the who the Vic's have playing in each of there teams.


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footydad
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20:40 12 Jan 13

Reply #398406

re: East Coast Challenge Results

well to my knowledge of sasi training ,this is a 3 year plan you idiots ? Sound familiar ?you sell enough shit, and even after a long long time ,you convince everyone around you. ,They are now saying this is the european way?Train the shooters .good plan Neil .


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anon
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20:56 12 Jan 13

Reply #398409

re: East Coast Challenge Results

you can train the ass off these kids ,but in the end,when there's that 50 50 ball with 8 seconds to go,and they've spent the week away ,and year with sasi coaches ??theyre not gunna do it for big Neil .Sorry ,get somebody who enjoys the job and likes kids.harsh,but true,ask any kid what they truely think of gliddon.haven't heard one positive yet,So why is he still coaching ,Paul got the ass,or is it more Aussie orientated .what a crock.sell more shit?get a job.agree footydad


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anon
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22:11 12 Jan 13

Reply #398415

re: East Coast Challenge Results

vp every other state including act,posted the team selection .not basketball sa,though.I wonder why?


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obos
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22:19 12 Jan 13

Reply #398417

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I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that anon and footydad are the same person. Really buddy, is that the best you could do?


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VP
Last year
22:33 12 Jan 13

Reply #398420

re: East Coast Challenge Results

If you know a link to the Vic Metro team lists please let me know.


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Isaac
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22:55 12 Jan 13

Reply #398423

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obos, same IP, yes.


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Anonymous
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23:49 12 Jan 13

Reply #398441

re: East Coast Challenge Results

Seriously can we have a forum we have to register and log into sheeesh


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Anonymous
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10:13 13 Jan 13

Reply #398477

re: East Coast Challenge Results

I saw most boys games. NSW and Vic 16s were stand out teams and Vic lucky to win GF.

18 Boys more even.ACT did well but ran out of energy in final game. Vic teams were good and strong - could have had 4 teams

Vic 1 ended up winning(website says 2 team won but think the team that drew with NSW2 and lost to ACT won and that is 1 team) Good team and good game, lots of intesity and teamwork. Cant see anyone beating Vic at nationals esp 18s - heard over half the players are first year 18s

SA didnt do too bad They competed hard and won some tough games so dont think Neil and his group are doing a bad job! The depth in Vic is hard to compete with.


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Anon
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21:04 13 Jan 13

Reply #398611

re: East Coast Challenge Results

Did the u18 boy Vic's take everyone ?


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anon
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19:10 14 Jan 13

Reply #398790

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bit of big brother there Isaccc.abusing your position?what satisfaction did this bring ,a little bit of power.punse.Dont you use wifi? git.Take a look at yourself and get out in the sun a bit more.weasel.


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Anonymous
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19:39 14 Jan 13

Reply #398795

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fuck off to whence you came footydad

wifi my ass..you made both posts..language used was identical

take a look at yourself.. and don't visit the site again if you can't take the mods discovery of your bullshit


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Anonymous
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20:52 14 Jan 13

Reply #398800

re: East Coast Challenge Results

You do have an unfortunate way of using punctuation that is quite unique.lol.,


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Isaac
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07:18 15 Jan 13

Reply #398817

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'441, you can, you just don't currently have to. If more people bothered, I'd be inclined to change it.


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Anonymous
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08:28 15 Jan 13

Reply #398824

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So more interested in hits than quality Isaac?


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Itsapurpleworld
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09:36 15 Jan 13

Reply #398833

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824, hits provide the incentive to host the site and anons provide the colour to paint the topics. If you want a generic 'hail fellow well met' site where opinion is censored by the removal of anon protection , start one. Like the good news channel your future is limited. This site allows venting with constraints. It also has some value in highlighting issues that would otherwise never get seen in the light of day. Anons ip addresses keep them chiefly on the straight and narrow so be less judgmental about anons, Anon.


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Isaac
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09:46 15 Jan 13

Reply #398835

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No, not really driven by hits. Just want to permit ease of access for those who post good content but might not otherwise contribute if registration were enforced.

When I come up with a way to cover both bases, I will switch to proper registered accounts only.


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blue bagger
Last year
13:00 15 Jan 13

Reply #398903

re: East Coast Challenge Results

Isaac, don't justify yourself to idiots like footydad.

It's people like him that don't know their arsehole from their elbow, and are trying to live their failings through their kids.

and probablly their futile attempts and influencing coaches and officials for their kids is failing them and their kids as well.

one last piece of advice for footy dad, pull your head out of your rectum and stick to riding the boundry line at football, basketball is bigger than you.


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footydad
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17:56 15 Jan 13

Reply #398997

re: East Coast Challenge Results

Thesaurus ,Noun 1. bagger - a workman employed to pack things into containers-

thsnks for that advice .


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Anonymous
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20:09 15 Jan 13

Reply #399030

re: East Coast Challenge Results

Thesaurus, Noun 1.footydad- a tosser unable to see past his own child's sub-par sporting ability

thsnks (sic) for visiting

don't bother coming back


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Celeryisntworththeeffort
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09:21 16 Jan 13

Reply #399110

re: East Coast Challenge Results

Why such venom to a person who is critical of a program. If the program is strong it will stand on its own. Play the comments not the man. Seems the only programs open to disdain are lightning and 36 ers for very different reasons. The sixers because fans really care and hate to see the decline over the past 5 seasons and the Lightning because there is no interest at all.
It may well be parents kicking the junior program such as it is but it might also be true to say its chief defenders are closely linked to the program. Parents do live through their kids and have biased views but within that bias often is a little too much truth and perhaps change in direction after twenty odd years is warranted.


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anon
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10:13 16 Jan 13

Reply #399123

re: East Coast Challenge Results

Hey guys biased views just doesn't relate to parents. Remember it's the parents who finance these programs generally.
Coaches and selectors have their bias as well. It seems that tried and tested in squad selection seems to be the way. Just look at nsw u18w and u16w. some disappointing selections there based on the bias of a coach? I wonder? I guess it's easier to go with what you know than try something new. maybe bnsw should start to question why so many kids start dropping out at 16s for state selection.


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Charon
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11:16 16 Jan 13

Reply #399132

re: East Coast Challenge Results

Actually the bias of coaches is only percieved. I have never met a coach who doesnt want to win and would choose a lesser player. Its just that selection is subjective and what 1 person believes is the best 10 deoesnt necessarily mean another person would think the same.

Realistically, if 2 different coaches were chossing from the same squad, differents teams might be selected. Neither is right or wrong, just different.

Unfortunately, parents are incapable of understanding this!


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Anonymous
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12:29 16 Jan 13

Reply #399164

re: East Coast Challenge Results

Anon
18 b Vic1 lost to ACT and drew with NSW2.Vic2 lost to NSW2. Losses were on first day and the teams did not play the way they did the next two days. Vic1 beat Vic2 both in round and final.That was a strong team with smart guards, good shooters and big centre


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Anonymous
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12:34 16 Jan 13

Reply #399167

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The coaches do not select the team in S A


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Anonymous
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12:37 16 Jan 13

Reply #399169

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Also, of course coaches are biased, we all have favourites and we all promote our own. Sturt and Norwood exist to perpetuate this truism.


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Charon
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12:41 16 Jan 13

Reply #399170

re: East Coast Challenge Results

Its not necessarily about promoting your own. Its more that your own are better at what you are doing because they see it more often and have a background in the things that are being asked. And therefore are able to perform better and gain selection. And again that is subjective. Change of coach would lead to a change of team balance and structure.


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anon
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16:07 16 Jan 13

Reply #399218

re: East Coast Challenge Results

Charon are you serious???? that is promoting your own and really it's much easier if you don't have to teach the unknown so go with what you've got- your own and look good. anyone can look good if they've had the opportunity to practise it's called mastery learning. you may not have the brain for the game but if you've rehearsed over the test is can it be applied in games?
let's be honest if a parent is paying for one on one training as some notable coaches do then there will be bias no one wants to lose business. does this overflow to team selection i'm not sure it's subjective right.


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hogwash61
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08:17 20 Jan 13

Reply #399691

re: East Coast Challenge Results

No doubt the Vic programs are run well, however if you know anything about statistics then the bigger the population the bigger the talent pool. Hence NSW & Vic should be dominant.

Unfortunately for SA, TAS, WA etc they just don't have enough kids playing basketball. It really is that simple.

The real strength to the Vics is their grass roots basketball competitions which feed their strong rep programs - i.e. their VJBL Friday night competition.


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Dr J
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08:04 23 Jan 13

Reply #400306

re: East Coast Challenge Results

Agree hogwash61. I have VJBL envy too. And I wish we had stadiums like theirs.


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Anonymous
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09:02 23 Jan 13

Reply #400314

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hogwash so how many countries have bigger populations than Australia yet finish well below us at Olympic Games in medal tallies?

How is Australia best in the world at anything if stats are the answer?

Stats aren't that simple.

West Adelaide won State Champs Boys a few years ago and was 7th out of 10 clubs for playing numbers. How do stats answer that?

South Australia has won many junior basketball titles over the year, although not many during NG's reign. How did those teams ever win if stats and large participation numbers hold the answer?

That's a cop out and not at all constructive. The District competition and the NITP program in Adelaide are both counterproductive to success at an elite level. Pure and simple.


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Anonymous
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15:52 28 Jan 13

Reply #401322

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There are many kids originally from SA playing in Vic. Try to get them back and you would have a great state team!


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Spiro
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14:20 30 Jan 13

Reply #401718

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I think the Under 18s Mens NSW 2 team was extremely unlucky not to qualify for the final. They drew with VIC 1 and smashed VIC 2. Unlucky to lose to NSW 1 by 2 points and definitely were more cohesive than most of the other teams I watched. Even though the VIC teams had height in their centres, they were nowhere near as effective as I would have expected. NSW 2 centres were superior. Considering the team that NSW has picked for the upcoming Nationals in April, I predict a NSW win.


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