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Dillon
Last year

#30740

VTB vs ACB

Outside euroleague which is really a rep tournament, these are the top 2 leagues in Europe/outside NBA.

Which league is the better of the 2? Which has more money/fans?

What notable Aussies play vtb?

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anon
Last year
22:25 6 Feb 13

Reply #402990

re: VTB vs ACB

VTB also rep league.


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Avv
Last year
11:50 7 Feb 13

Reply #403069

re: VTB vs ACB

Maric plays in VTB for Lokomotiv Kuban and Matt Neilsen plays for BC Khimki.

ACB is considered stronger and has higher attendances etc.

A few lower ranked Russian teams are in the VTB league which lower the standard a little.

Should be noted games in the VTB league between Russian teams count towards the Russian domestic championship also.


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paul
Last year
13:40 7 Feb 13

Reply #403085

re: VTB vs ACB

The two leagues are getting closer in standard and should be considered pretty even. The Russian teams are fine and every bit as good as the Spanish teams, but there are a few weaker VTB teams from Poland, Belarus, Ukraine and Estonia.

That prob gives the ACB a slight edge but apart from those few clubs the leagues are very similar in standard with the VTB probably being a little bit more physical and fast-paced.


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Jack
Last year
18:03 7 Feb 13

Reply #403123

re: VTB vs ACB

United League is much better. BTW, the league's name is actually United League. VTB is the league's sponsor.

Eurocup is better than both of them this year though.


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DJ
Last year
18:48 7 Feb 13

Reply #403126

re: VTB vs ACB

http://www.vtb-league.com/en/news/vtb-united-league-and-euroleague--partners-not-rivals.htm

President of the VTB United League Sergey Ivanov took part in the press-conference. Also there were several partners and sponsors. A new championship trophy was presented at the event. An exclusive cup that is a unique one was introduced by Mr. Ivanov himself. After that league's President spoke about the new season and answered several questions for press.

- There are 8 national competitions winners and seven Euroleague participants among the teams representing the United VTB League, - said Sergey Ivanov. - Our League's level is higher than any national championship can be. One more positive thing is our insurance system that is the best one in Europe even compared to the one that Euroleague has. Besides the League pays for the refereeing, too. So that teams don't need to spend their budget on that. Of course one of the main things is that the United VTB champion will also be provided by the opportunity to play in Euroleague qualifiers of the season-2013/14.


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paul
Last year
19:05 7 Feb 13

Reply #403128

re: VTB vs ACB

Well, the VTB league said it's better than any national league! Must be true.

The parity of the ACB with just as many top Euro teams suggests otherwise. ACB teams are also 41-17 in Euroleague (71%) and 18-12 in Eurocup (60%), while VTB teams are 35-23 (60%) and 44-29 (60%).

The VTB are closing the gap though and will continue to do so as Spain struggles financially.


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Jack
Last year
00:56 8 Feb 13

Reply #403164

re: VTB vs ACB

You are seriously overrating the ACB. The last 8 or so clubs in ACB are absolute trash.


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paul
Last year
07:41 8 Feb 13

Reply #403170

re: VTB vs ACB

Kuban are 9-4 in the VTB, third in their conference and against teams outside of the top two - CSKA Moscow and Zalgiris Kaunas - they are 9-1 with an average winning margin of 13.

Sevilla are "absolute trash", sitting 15th in the ACB at 7-13. Yet when the two met in the Eurocup, Kuban won by 7 and 11.

The two comps are pretty even, they are 11-10 in meetings this year in VTB's favour, but the bottom end of the VTB is weak whereas no ACB team gets thrashed week after week.


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Mark
Last year
20:16 8 Feb 13

Reply #403283

re: VTB vs ACB

I watch ACB. It's nowhere close to the VTB league. There has not been an upset in the Spanish cup or playoffs in years and years.

None of the bottom half teams are at the level of VTB clubs.

The bottom half of Greek league is stronger than the bottom half of ACB.


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paul
Last year
01:50 9 Feb 13

Reply #403339

re: VTB vs ACB

The numbers dont back up your story. There's lots of ways of looking at it, but let's look at the performance of the bottom two against the top four in each comp:

ACB:
Gipuzkoa = 1-3 against the top four, average difference 8.5 points

Manresa = 0-4 and average difference of 9 points

Greece:
Panelefsiniakos = 0-4 with ave diff of 15

Kavala = 0-4 with ave diff of 25

VTB:
Minsk = 0-5 with ave diff of 24

Mariupol = 0-4 with ave diff of 15

There's lots of other ways of measuring it, but whichever way you do the ACB has as good a top end talent as any comp outside the NBA and Euroleague, and their bottom teams are the most competitive against those gun teams.


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Paul
Last year
17:39 9 Feb 13

Reply #403414

re: VTB vs ACB

People that compare games in different leagues obviously know nothing about European basketball. I hate to burst your bubble, but teams have DIFFERENT CRITERIAS when they are playing in Euroleague or Eurocup.

This is like amateur hour here.


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