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Anon
Years ago

#34935

Big V 2015

With the end of the season arriving, thought I'd ask the question of what's in store for next year ? Any new teams ? Existing clubs entering new teams? The makeup of the Divisions ? Any teams looking to make a bid to go up or down ?

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paul
Years ago
19:11 18 Jul 14

Reply #483681

re: Big V 2015

Frankston, Knox, Dandenong and Sandringham all joining Big V! ;-)


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Anonymous
Years ago
19:57 18 Jul 14

Reply #483686

re: Big V 2015

Grant aka Anon.. Sunbury going to have a team next year?


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MM
Years ago
10:12 19 Jul 14

Reply #483731

re: Big V 2015

Chilling wood Allstars entering BIGV D2M
Bachus Msrsh Lions entering YL2M and YLW
Pakenham Warriors entering D2W

Wallan trying to YL2M
Maccabi trying to YL2M


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Billy Hoyle
Years ago
20:18 19 Jul 14

Reply #483805

re: Big V 2015

Mornington YLW
Western Port YLW (maybe)

May need a YLW2


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Anonymous
Years ago
20:23 20 Jul 14

Reply #483894

re: Big V 2015

Collingwood Allstars have put a lot of time and effort into organising their application so hope they are successful

With the players in the wallan area they would be better off applying for D2m


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Anonymous
Years ago
20:24 20 Jul 14

Reply #483895

re: Big V 2015

Lots of ex diamond valley, craigieburn, Hume City and tigers players live in the area near wallan


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Tiger Watcher
Years ago
09:22 21 Jul 14

Reply #483932

re: Big V 2015

Do we think there could be any movement in the Champ Division?

Eltham & Melb have been pretty poor this year...even when compared to the other teams coming up form Div 1.

Hawthorn could almost be put in the same category but you need to give them some time to adjust.

Melbourne have now been strugglers since the split from the Old NBL alignment when Seamus was still running the Tigers & Eltham appear to have completely lost there way in the last 2 years.

As much as the league promotes team up is it sometimes in the best interest to drop back develop talent consolidate/regroup and come back up in a few years…i.e like Bulleen did a few years back.


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Tiger Watcher
Years ago
09:24 21 Jul 14

Reply #483933

re: Big V 2015

Wallan should get in contact with ex knox raider John Phillip pretty sure he lives up in Wallan.

He'd be a great leader if they go into Div 2.


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Anonymous
Years ago
10:17 21 Jul 14

Reply #483941

re: Big V 2015

Just what the league needs, MORE crap clubs with no depth or junior programs, bad facilities and poor refs. Big V is turning into a game for all domestic competition.


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Anonymous
Years ago
10:19 21 Jul 14

Reply #483944

re: Big V 2015

Paul aren't frankston, Knox,dandenong and sandringham already in bigv with youth league teams


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HO
Years ago
11:25 21 Jul 14

Reply #483963

re: Big V 2015

#483686

You are seriously boring mate. Anyone can type the name "Anon". Why do you persist in having to call everyone who does it Grant?


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CB
Years ago
12:20 21 Jul 14

Reply #483980

re: Big V 2015

Mildura Heat putting in Youth League team , big road trips for the city teams.


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Anonymous
Years ago
12:25 21 Jul 14

Reply #483981

re: Big V 2015

I reckon the Wallan area is going to be a huge growth area so hopefully the big v can get a team out there next season


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T
Years ago
12:29 21 Jul 14

Reply #483985

re: Big V 2015

The more yl grows the better. Hope to see Bacchus marsh in there. Bellarine peninsula storm should also look at this. They have enough good juniors to put an u23 team together


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Anonymous
Years ago
12:45 21 Jul 14

Reply #483986

re: Big V 2015

If the Youth is going to grow they need to Make sure the stronger teams head up so there isn`t the current 50 point drubbings every week. Shouldn`t be that much different between top 4 and bottom sides within a division. If there is then teams need to be promoted or there needs to be harsher guidelines met in order to join the league.

the level of participation is great, just have to make sure the division splits are correct.


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Solid Moves
Years ago
13:05 21 Jul 14

Reply #483993

re: Big V 2015

If Packenham enter D2W then they can replace Shepparton who wouldnt surprise me of they go back to just a mens team


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Anonymous
Years ago
13:11 21 Jul 14

Reply #483996

re: Big V 2015

The current CEO does not believe in that for Youth. A fair few teams apparently asked and have been told no.


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Anonymous
Years ago
13:15 21 Jul 14

Reply #483997

re: Big V 2015

there is not enough refs to cope with the current number of teams, so hate to think what the quality would get like if big v continue to add teams with no local refs


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Anonymous
Years ago
13:25 21 Jul 14

Reply #484001

re: Big V 2015

There simply isn't enough Officials to cope with this proposed expansion.

Ive heard a rumor that the League will can't service this proposed expansion with Panel level officials for the Lower Divisions and that the home Team/Association will have to provide their own domestic officials for their home games.


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Anonymous
Years ago
13:42 21 Jul 14

Reply #484002

re: Big V 2015

any club wanting to enter a team should meet a basic standard of being able to supply at least 4 panel refs into the pool. This would ensure a acceptable number ( not quality )of refs to handle the size of the comp. Sadly Big V is just about numbers not quality.


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Anonymous
Years ago
14:13 21 Jul 14

Reply #484006

re: Big V 2015

need to try get some country teams back in..
Horsham Men
Warrnambool Women


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Brian
Years ago
14:14 21 Jul 14

Reply #484007

re: Big V 2015

Mildura is set to enter a YL2M team. They played a curtain raiser on Saturday night against S.A Uni and won comfortably.

How will youth league teams feel about the added travel?


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anon
Years ago
14:47 21 Jul 14

Reply #484013

re: Big V 2015

A suggestion to cover shortage of refs - move YL games to Wednesday nights like SEABL ran it.


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Tiger Watcher
Years ago
14:52 21 Jul 14

Reply #484015

re: Big V 2015

Don't think travel is the issue it is a big issue with Refs at the moment.


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HO
Years ago
15:12 21 Jul 14

Reply #484023

re: Big V 2015

#483996

What doesn't the BigV CEO believe in?


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Anonymous
Years ago
15:17 21 Jul 14

Reply #484024

re: Big V 2015

If yu move the YL to a Wednesday night you should effectively halve the amount it costs to enter a side as nobody is going to go and watch games on a Wednesday night.

Kill the stats and just call it MMBL then. Oh wait we already have that and its a dismall standard and a waste of everyones time.


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CB
Years ago
15:38 21 Jul 14

Reply #484028

re: Big V 2015

Weds nights would kill off any country teams that would like to enter.


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Anonymous
Years ago
15:44 21 Jul 14

Reply #484030

re: Big V 2015

YL should be played Wednesday night.

It would solve a host of problems and let the SEABL/BigV Development/bench players who play little to no mins get a run and court time too when ordinarily their games would clash on the weekend.


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HO
Years ago
15:49 21 Jul 14

Reply #484031

re: Big V 2015

#484030

Incredibly "melbourne based" thinking.

Its bad enough asking these country kids and their parents to travel Friday night when the traffic is bad. Now you want half of them them to do it midweek as well?

Bendigo, Ballarat, Geelong, and a bunch of the Peninsula teams all play YL - why should they travel midweek?

The BigV is a weekend league, its home and away. it should stay that way.


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Anonymous
Years ago
15:56 21 Jul 14

Reply #484032

re: Big V 2015

Fine, play the country based home and away games on weekends.

You could still play the majority of games which are metro YL games on Wednesday night.

Something has to be done, there isn't the resource to manage games and it would improve player development significantly which is what YL is supposed to be about.

It would allow them to suit up on their SEABL/BigV bench without a game clash with YL and/or avoid missing a YL game to play up in the snr team.


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HO
Years ago
16:20 21 Jul 14

Reply #484046

re: Big V 2015

And then of course you have to displace domestic games (and the court beside the YL games) on an inconsistent home and away basis - you are going to get very little love for that proposal.

It would be almost impossible to wrap domestic around a bigv fixture. Domestic is built on games at the same set of times, same set of courts, week in week out.


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Anonymous
Years ago
20:19 21 Jul 14

Reply #484079

re: Big V 2015

What your forgetting is the youth leagues are just that, often filled with school kids who are in important years at school and so playing late games and having to travel midweek is counterproductive especially for country teams.


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Anonymous
Years ago
06:45 22 Jul 14

Reply #484100

re: Big V 2015

How many YL teams,especially in State Champ YL have kids under the age of 18?

Not many.


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Anonymous
Years ago
07:12 22 Jul 14

Reply #484101

re: Big V 2015

On Sunday Diamond Valley had one 17 year old I know of and Geelong had a 16 year old and a 17 year old, I believe both teams had a combined 4-5 school age kids and that was a YLCM game.


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Anonymous
Years ago
07:57 22 Jul 14

Reply #484104

re: Big V 2015

Diamond Valley VYCM & VYCW at times have played kids who are from their U/18s, and U/20's who are still in school. Tough to juggle the demands but there must be some leniency on players with school / sport workload. Once you can find that, and still allow the kids to play, you can have a good balance of introducing young players into the senior ranks


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Tiger Watcher
Years ago
08:08 22 Jul 14

Reply #484106

re: Big V 2015

It is an under 23 comp so you can't be worrying about the 10% who are school age.

Yes it is a juggle but pretty sure in college its a juggle, the playes with drive and the ones that get organised still get the results.


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Anonymous
Years ago
08:19 22 Jul 14

Reply #484108

re: Big V 2015

Try doing 2 a day 90 min practices plus weights as well as fitting in schooling. Then play a game, sometimes two a week and your own number of individual practices which are mandatory.
No wonder so many Aussie kids fail at college, we don't have a clue what hard work and organisation really is.


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Anonymous
Years ago
09:21 22 Jul 14

Reply #484119

re: Big V 2015

You said youth league 1 have a look at those teams especially the women, they are filled with school age kids, most will already be doing the two trainings per week, plus any other trainings, plus their games plus their school commitments PLUS YR 12, which is they do well in will negate many opportunities in their lives. So how about thinking of that and if you want midweek games give it to the older divisions the ones who work , drive themselves and have already completed their schooling as kids.


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Tom
Years ago
10:09 22 Jul 14

Reply #484131

re: Big V 2015

The average age of youth league players is around 21 years old

If you regionalise the YL comp and then have finals at the end of the season it would work on Wed nights as the country comp could play weekends if they want

Would open up the way for refs to be better spread, also the focus goes back to the senior sides as some clubs focus on their YL team winning a championship at the detriment of their senior side


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Anonymous
Years ago
11:35 22 Jul 14

Reply #484143

re: Big V 2015

But if you regionalise them what's the point of the comp, they may as well play CBL for an extended season instead of the summer season only as it's all bigv players usually that play in the regional comps. As for the average age being 21 look again, youth league championship may have a slightly older group with most being just out of school, but look at the youth league div 1 , Sth pen is a prime example 5 of their 8 are definitely still at school, imagine having to travel to coburg who are in the same league on a wed night for 8 pm game 10 pm finish home at midnight, is that good for any kid with school the next day. As a parent I know mine wouldn't be doing that school comes first basketball second. Add to that a parent would also have to take them so that's a late finish for anyone working and having to deal with a family. Common sence has to come into it really.


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Bear
Years ago
12:06 22 Jul 14

Reply #484153

re: Big V 2015

An expanded youth league would be great, always love to see the sport offer kids coming out of juniors a pathway so they don't get dragged away to football and netball all the time.

If extra officials are needed the governing body should know about this and put into place systems that can generate more of them or at least cover any expansion ideas before they become problematic.

IMO the games should stay where they are, coming from someone who has done the Friday night late games for some years now I look forward to weekend games.

Mid week would be a nightmare for several reasons and should never, ever be considered as an option IMO!

Regionalisation is also a bad idea, especially in the highest youth league divisions. Not workable and would destroy the fabric with which we hold the competition in high regard...


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Anonymous
Years ago
12:32 22 Jul 14

Reply #484160

re: Big V 2015

There are plenty of domestic comps for these kids to play in so there is no need to water down the Big V competition just to give a bunch of B and C grade players a game. Pathway my ass ! most of the Youth 2 comp is pathetic and shouldn't be included in Big V.
All these calls for Big V to be expanded are clearly coming from wanna be's with egos but little skill.


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CB
Years ago
12:52 22 Jul 14

Reply #484162

re: Big V 2015

Mildura is 600klms away so 1200klm round trip, Horsham ,Wodonga all 300ks it needs to stay on the weekends.


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Anonymous
Years ago
12:56 22 Jul 14

Reply #484163

re: Big V 2015

484160 .... You do realise that many of these kids are either out of juniors as in turning 18 this year still doing yr12 or their local comp does not cater for them at a decent level so the only option is bigv. Or should it just be kept for the very very elite, if that's the case there would be one hell of a lot of players without teams.


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Bear
Years ago
13:06 22 Jul 14

Reply #484167

re: Big V 2015

Trolls, they're everywhere...


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Anonymous
Years ago
13:07 22 Jul 14

Reply #484168

re: Big V 2015

Tom, if their youth league teams are winning and their seniors are struggling it certainly isn't about focus it's about ability, so succession planning by encouraging your youth players to hang around by giving them a comp would in the end be better for the club rather than holding on to old players that are just not up to it.


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Anonymous
Years ago
13:50 22 Jul 14

Reply #484177

re: Big V 2015

No idea about hard work..... Serious, some of the kids are better than the seniors !!! As mentioned they work plenty hard and their season including juniors goes longer than college


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anon
Years ago
13:58 22 Jul 14

Reply #484179

re: Big V 2015

Youth League teams to play mid week - exception would be country teams - play them on weekends.

Easy fix - we get better refs available and the development player can sit on seniors bench.

Training commitment would be less with mid week games.

Plenty of time for the kids to study, socialise and have a part time job.

Not hard to do - SEABL did it and it worked.


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Anonymous
Years ago
14:09 22 Jul 14

Reply #484183

re: Big V 2015

SEABL don't play midweek games often usually only frankston as it suits them. Why would training commitments be less with midweek comp, surely they would still train twice a week minimum, if so that compounds three week nights. Think you would find less would play if it went to mid week comp, and that's not the purpose of the sport is it, aren't BV trying to encourage more participants not less. They need to encourage more refs that's what they need and supply better training for them


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Anonymous
Years ago
14:37 22 Jul 14

Reply #484197

re: Big V 2015

I have two boys who would not be able to play youth league mid week and they are at under 18 level VC now, but what would they do if they couldn't play after 18's, they would have to play under 20's on Friday night but that competition is not going to challenge them.

On weekends they would have to choose, football or basketball, easy choice it would be hoops youth league, but take that away and football gets them!


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anon
Years ago
14:58 22 Jul 14

Reply #484204

re: Big V 2015

@484183.

I'm talking about when SEABL controlled D League comp prior to handing over to Big V some 2 years or so ago.

My team (I was coach) played wednesday nights against all metro based teams - it worked a treat.

Most of these kids also played Friday night in VJBL. Some would suit up for SEABL games on weekends.

Country DL games were played on weekends.

Therefore training commitments were less to manage bodies, allow time off for study/social/work commitments.

And by the way we played off in the final.

Feedback from other coaches/players/clubs was good.

Why not give another go - positives outweigh negatives IMO.


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Anonymous
Years ago
15:25 22 Jul 14

Reply #484212

re: Big V 2015

So ^anon you are saying country D league never played metro teams because they played on different days/nights of the week did they?

How does that help the competition and how does that help those kids in the country?

Sounds like two exclusive leagues to me!


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HO
Years ago
15:38 22 Jul 14

Reply #484215

re: Big V 2015

Anon. It was a much smaller competition then and the logistics were easier.

Again, there are issues with venues, that maybe the likes of Knox and Frankston can cope with, but Eltham, DV, Broady etc who were never in D-league cannot because their venues are probably full of domestic competitions.


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Bear
Years ago
15:47 22 Jul 14

Reply #484220

re: Big V 2015

True, also trying to fit youth league games on a mid week schedule would potentially throw junior domestic competitions into dissaray.

Juniors play basketball Wednesday night so they can also play footy on weekends, at least we are not asking 13 - 16 year olds to make a tough decision until they come out of 18's...

The flow on effect of youth league during mid week would be a nightmare for Associaitons to manage in many ways, can't see more positives than negatives.


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Tiger Watcher
Years ago
16:08 22 Jul 14

Reply #484225

re: Big V 2015

Seemed to work well in the DL also i know a few teams who've played mid week in SEABL and most of the feedback is good if the games are at the right time.

I know in SEABL the guys like it cause the feel like they are in an actual league rather than just training all the time.




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anon
Years ago
16:20 22 Jul 14

Reply #484227

re: Big V 2015

sherbrooke to have YLW team next season to replace SCW team.


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Tom
Years ago
09:17 24 Jul 14

Reply #484466

re: Big V 2015

The only country teams who are far away from Melbourne that play YL are really Bendigo and Ballarat


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Tom
Years ago
09:17 24 Jul 14

Reply #484467

re: Big V 2015

Plus back a few years back Ballarat played MMBL, so that argument is done


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HO
Years ago
09:32 24 Jul 14

Reply #484469

re: Big V 2015

And Tom, we used to play VBA on Wednesday night - but the age group was a little different.

Bendigo, Ballarat, Geelong, Southern Pen, Westernport etc. all play YL. Each of those teams have a two hour round trip minimum to games on top of three hours at the venue for the game. If Ballarat, Geelong and Bendigo are playing Frankston or Kilsyth then the travel is probably 3 hours plus round trip, after school for a number of kids.

As has been shown here many players are still of school age in these teams, and I would suggest it is more likely the country teams will play school age kids.

It is not desirable to add extra mid week games to those kids, who likely also play Friday night, when traveling TO those games is already difficult because of traffic.

Argument reinstated.


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Anon
Years ago
09:46 24 Jul 14

Reply #484471

re: Big V 2015

On the fixture request form last year clubs could nominate hosting home games mid-week and the only club to do so was Frankston.


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Anonymous
Years ago
11:51 24 Jul 14

Reply #484494

re: Big V 2015

Sherbroke dropping out of SCW?? Thats a backwards step, is that confirmed?


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Annon
Years ago
13:44 24 Jul 14

Reply #484509

re: Big V 2015

State Champ level needs to be completely removed from Big V branding ASAP. Big V is a massive organisation, and the top level just gets merked into the rest of the low levels involved. Some of the basketball on display at D1 & D2 is lower than domestic at pakenham.
The new teams that have entered into SC this year put on such disappointing events at their home games.


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Bear
Years ago
13:49 24 Jul 14

Reply #484513

re: Big V 2015

Do you have any examples ^anon or are you just making a random comment?


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Anonymous
Years ago
14:15 24 Jul 14

Reply #484517

re: Big V 2015

Why does the Big V not try and push for more mid week games across all the divisions? They should aim for at least one a week and make it a showcase spectacle

I remember going to old VBA games as a kid, so people will turn up


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Anonymous
Years ago
14:21 24 Jul 14

Reply #484518

re: Big V 2015

Because the competition has expanded into places far beyond reasonable distances to accomodate the time needed to travel to all games on a mid week night anon, are you not reading the posts?


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HO
Years ago
14:44 24 Jul 14

Reply #484523

re: Big V 2015

"Some of the basketball on display at D1 & D2 is lower than domestic at pakenham."

I love comments like this. Often made, never provable, ultimately someone axe-grinding.


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Anonymous
Years ago
14:58 24 Jul 14

Reply #484527

re: Big V 2015

Well i saw a Blackburn Womens and Mens game recently and i was astounded at how bad the std was, especially the Womens team.

Maybe i watch too much SEABL.


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HO
Years ago
15:02 24 Jul 14

Reply #484528

re: Big V 2015

There you go, some nice axe grinding.


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Bear
Years ago
15:09 24 Jul 14

Reply #484529

re: Big V 2015

Uuuhhmmm, Blackburn, yeah so what division, who was the opponent and where are they on the ladder, were they missing players, did they have something to play for and are you a player yourself (do you understand the game)?

I may regret this...


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Anonymous
Years ago
15:12 24 Jul 14

Reply #484530

re: Big V 2015

No axe grinding HO, just my observation.

Maybe i was expecting too much of the games? Haven't seen a game below Champ BigV level in 5 years so maybe my expectations were too high.?


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Anonymous
Years ago
15:13 24 Jul 14

Reply #484532

re: Big V 2015

HO, you can try to defend the standard of Big V but your fighting a loosing battle. Youth 2 is appalling, youth 1 W is worse than domestic for most teams and youth 1 M has only a couple of decent teams.
Aside from the terrible std of play the ref's pool is now at the slip and slide end and is the worse its been for years and lets not even look at some of the venues. Bigger is clearly NOT better and the main clubs and Big V mgmt need to wake up and get the comp back to where is should be which is a elite comp for elite players. Happy to let the rest play somewhere but NOT in a Big V branded comp.


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HO
Years ago
15:16 24 Jul 14

Reply #484533

re: Big V 2015

So it was not axe grinding, why make the SEABL comment? Of course it was axe-grinding...

Give some perspective to your comment, as Bear has suggested.

Standard is relative. Teams are in D1 for a series of reasons, but the stupidity of suggesting, as people commonly do, that its worse than domestic here or there, just inflates the quality of domestic basketball or shows how out of touch they are with the Divisions they are talking about.


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HO
Years ago
15:18 24 Jul 14

Reply #484534

re: Big V 2015

#484532

I didn't try to defend the standard did I? I pointed out how stupid it is to compare to domestic.


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Anonymous
Years ago
15:34 24 Jul 14

Reply #484536

re: Big V 2015

The gap between Champ and Div 1 is huge and budget does play a big factor in this. For the remainder of the comps the top two teams would do just fine in the division above them.

Quality of the Youth leagues, State youth champ aside (as they have many juniors refilling the ranks)
Is always going to be an up and down thing, the moment a side gets to a successful level the senior team is going to elevate players to the senior squad (AS THEY SHOULD)

The rebuilding period then starts all over again and the next crop comes through.

It all swings in round abouts, a few years back DIV 1 men the big complaint was how the standard would drop as the 8 top teams from D2 went up. Within a year the dominant sides in that division were the "weaker" teams that had come up a division.

If all divisions were purely based on how good teams are how would they look? There would be a heap of teams that should be in different divisions, hell some senior teams would struggle vs youth sides as is evident by preseason results year after year. I am Mindful of the fact not everyone is going 100%, however regardless of this if you are the top ranked side then show it.




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Anonymous
Years ago
15:37 24 Jul 14

Reply #484537

re: Big V 2015

why is it stupid to make the comparison given that the standard is clearly in line with domestic.
Let the masses play the game, no argument here but for heavens sake stop watering down a state league with wanna be's. Domestic comps are everywhere and that is where the idea of BB for all should be directed.


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HO
Years ago
15:47 24 Jul 14

Reply #484538

re: Big V 2015

#484537 (please get a login so we can address you easily)

"given that the standard is clearly in line with domestic."

Because this is a statement made with prejudice, thats why. It seems everyone who ever wants to have a crack at BigV does so by comparing it to Domestic.

Here is the answer to that. Shepparton's BigV side is better than any side in its domestic competition, same for Southern Pen, same for Warrnambool same for Blackburn, same for Pakenham. I dare say we can say the same for Whittlesea, or Casey, or Camberwell or Sunbury or Keilor. I think we could say, with an amount of confidence, that these BigV sides would crap on the better domestic teams. There may be exceptions. I understand all of Geelong's SEABL players play domestic, and as such, it might not be true in Geelong, especially if some of their domestic teams have loaded up with SEABL players.

I did not defend the standard. But I can argue the stupidity of the domestic comment.

The anon above you makes better comments, about the relativity between the Divisions - this is a much more reasoned approach to the "standard".

The standard of BigV is what it is, and I am not saying it is earth shatteringly brilliant. I am saying it is relative.


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HO
Years ago
15:53 24 Jul 14

Reply #484539

re: Big V 2015

Bear, you are close to Geelong. If you put Geelong's D1 side in their domestic comp as a single team how would they go? (and how many seabl guys do suit up?)



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Anonymous
Years ago
15:56 24 Jul 14

Reply #484540

re: Big V 2015

The standard between Champ and Div 1 is not huge, as teams like Werribee, McKinnon and Whittlesea have shown.


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HO
Years ago
16:06 24 Jul 14

Reply #484542

re: Big V 2015

I would argue that the top of Champ has been pretty much featuring the same teams for a number of years now, and that the bottom end of Champ is closer to D1.


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Bear
Years ago
16:09 24 Jul 14

Reply #484543

re: Big V 2015

@HO Most Geelong Assoc' D1 men's domestic teams have one-two or at most three SEABL players, plus you may find some of the Big V Champ players from CB and other Big V players from D1 making up half a team.

Then you have your ex-SEABL and Big V guys and of course the young guns coming up from U/18's and youth league players, but I would think this to be similar in other places, not very different at all.

It's a strong domestic comp, but Big V D1 Geelong team would hammer almost any one of them, maybe they'd be pushed by the best one or two domestic teams but probably not get over them.


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Happy Days
Years ago
16:26 24 Jul 14

Reply #484545

re: Big V 2015

D2 men would be 20-30 points better than the top domestic team where i live.Should D2 teams have imports playing for them?


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Anonymous
Years ago
16:52 24 Jul 14

Reply #484552

re: Big V 2015

It's not just the standard of players (although Big V is higher than domestic by that measure in almost every case) but the intensity the games are played at. Not many domestic games are played as seriously as any level of Big V.


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HO
Years ago
21:59 24 Jul 14

Reply #484580

re: Big V 2015

Thanks Bear.

I think we are finally getting some sensible commentary on where BigV sits in relation to Domestic competition.

I don't rave about the standard of BigV but constantly comparing it to domestic is just ridiculous. Its just someone's agenda.


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CB
Years ago
07:49 25 Jul 14

Reply #484605

re: Big V 2015

Would love to see how some D1 players would go in a domestic comp ie Calvin Henry , Ashton Pitts Reggie Fuller , Corey Stanefer would they average 50+ a game please stop comparing the 2 also remember Calvin Henry was all-star 5 SEABL a couple of years back.So D1 is not that bad


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Anonymous
Years ago
09:20 25 Jul 14

Reply #484617

re: Big V 2015

Most Domestic games I have been a part of or watched its the higher quality players that do the least amount of scoring as they are usually in chill mode. Where as the domestic warriors are trying to get a name for themsleves against the better players.

So I would dare say if a player from SEABL plays in domestic they are not going to put up 50 points a game even thogh we know they can,

Comparing any form of rep to domestic is stupid, the mind set for both forms of the game are completely different and serve different purposes.

It`s the same as hearing some guy tell you about "The time i played against this NBA guy and killed him" Well hey based on that result surely you should have made the NBA as well?

-NBL is our elite national Comp
-SEABL is the premier level under that
-BIG V serves it`s purpose as our elite local/state based comp.


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Anonymous
Years ago
09:28 25 Jul 14

Reply #484619

re: Big V 2015

@ Bear - complete rubbish.

****INCORRECT***INCORRECT***INCORRECT
"It's a strong domestic comp, but Big V D1 Geelong team would hammer almost any one of them, maybe they'd be pushed by the best one or two domestic teams but probably not get over them."

Geelong's D1 men's team would not beat 3-4 teams in the local comp, and the comp is not close to the standard being portrayed on here at all.

Stop pushing your own club promotion/agenda on here and stay above the BS.


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Anonymous
Years ago
09:32 25 Jul 14

Reply #484620

re: Big V 2015

Care to say why you think they wouldn't beat 3-4 teams in the local comp. What do those teams do that is better offensively and defensively, and what are the weaknesses with the Div 1 team's offences, defences etc.


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Anonymous
Years ago
09:56 25 Jul 14

Reply #484624

re: Big V 2015

^^Anon Troll alert!


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Anonymous
Years ago
10:03 25 Jul 14

Reply #484625

re: Big V 2015

#4619 you make a random comment based on an opinion and demand others stay above the BS, you are a fool!


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Bear
Years ago
10:49 25 Jul 14

Reply #484635

re: Big V 2015

Thanks for the input anon 619, I wasn't pushing any personal agenda mate just trying to reply to HO's question.

To the best of my knowledge based on the facts that the Geelong Big V D1 team is on top of the ladder and has no imports in it, unlike other teams in that state competition.

Also, my knowledge of our local competition and the make up of the teams I see weekly.

What facts can you bring to the debate, please enlighten us with your wisdom, don't hold back champ?


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Billy Hoyle
Years ago
11:08 25 Jul 14

Reply #484644

re: Big V 2015

Getting back to the initial subject, I think Sherbrooke biting the bullet in SCW is wise. They've struggled for a few years now, and re-building through YLW is a good idea.
Will D1 keep the conference system ? Will YL1W keep the conference system too or will the introduce a YL2W to accommodate the new teams and mirror the set-up in the Mens ?

Any other new teams ?


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!
Years ago
13:10 25 Jul 14

Reply #484664

re: Big V 2015

I have heard that the Big V will be going to SCM, D1M, D2M and D3M as there are 3 teams coming in Horsham and Warrigal coming back and new team Collingwood there is also a chance of Wallan if there is a D3. there is also talk of Eltham SCM dropping down to D1

Currently there is 14 teams in D1, 12 in D2 + 3 or 4 new teams would make around 30 teams. Perfect setup of 10 teams in each division


Glad to see the league finally getting rid of the huge gaps within a division. 40 point blow outs are no fun for anyone and if the league was managed properly would never happen. Each division has a number of teams that beat the bottom team by decent margins without effort whilst resting key players

They need to have the right teams playing in the appropriate division


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!
Years ago
13:10 25 Jul 14

Reply #484665

re: Big V 2015

I have heard that the Big V will be going to SCM, D1M, D2M and D3M as there are 3 teams coming in Horsham and Warrigal coming back and new team Collingwood there is also a chance of Wallan if there is a D3. there is also talk of Eltham SCM dropping down to D1

Currently there is 14 teams in D1, 12 in D2 + 3 or 4 new teams would make around 30 teams. Perfect setup of 10 teams in each division


Glad to see the league finally getting rid of the huge gaps within a division. 40 point blow outs are no fun for anyone and if the league was managed properly would never happen. Each division has a number of teams that beat the bottom team by decent margins without effort whilst resting key players

They need to have the right teams playing in the appropriate division


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Anonymous
Years ago
14:39 25 Jul 14

Reply #484684

re: Big V 2015

I doubt youll ever see Horsham back in BigV.. country footy is taking all their juniors. From reports they are just happy playing CBL in summer.


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Anonymous
Years ago
17:17 25 Jul 14

Reply #484706

re: Big V 2015

The leagues need to become more combined into 1.

Should just call it VBL (Victorian baskeball league)
with teams only being able to enter the competition if they can field at least 1 men championship team, 1 womens championship team, 1 youth mens and 1 youth womens. 2nd teams and junior divisons can also be added for the larger organizations.

Have the teams split into say 4 pools(melbourne being the centre point- draw a line straight up to the nsw border, all the way to the east shore line, west to the south aus border):

NORTH west div (mildura, bendigo, ballarat etc)
NORTH east div (eltham, whittlesea, diamond valley etc)
SOUTH east div (knox, dandenong, frankston etc) SOUTH west div (geelong, werribee, mt gambier etc)

the top 4 teams progressing from each pool. 1 plays 4 from another division, 2 plays 3 etc... that way you can get multiple teams from the same region making the finals.

put the teams from abroad back in there own states.
hobart, launceston, brisbane, canberra etc except for maybe a victorian based centre of excellence.


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HO
Years ago
20:14 25 Jul 14

Reply #484713

re: Big V 2015

#484706

So you are restructuring BigV, SEABL and VJBL in one go? (and by implication CABL, Waratah and QBL)

And you have Mt Gambier in Victoria whereas all the other "abroad" teams have to go back to their own states?

And you have destroyed the lower divisions on BigV as well?

Good job...


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HO
Years ago
20:21 25 Jul 14

Reply #484717

re: Big V 2015

#484619

That is some quality trolling.


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Anonymous
Years ago
20:43 25 Jul 14

Reply #484718

re: Big V 2015

yeah putting the big leagues (seabl, big v and vjbl) into 1 league and putting teams that travel tremendous distances back into there own state leagues. The players can either stay in there own state leagues or play for a victorian club. Whats the issue?

Definately keeping the lower divisions (division 1/2/3 etc) and (youth 1/2/3 etc) and juniors. I'm just saying that the organization must be big enough to supply the league with the minimum mens and womens representatives sides for both mature and youth ages and have a big enough domestic base to back it up. No more organizations entering 1 or 2 rep sides when there domestic comp is so small.



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HO
Years ago
21:10 25 Jul 14

Reply #484721

re: Big V 2015

So what happens when a Division 2 club has a top tier junior side or sides?

If you have a look at the VJBL site, you will find some amazing entry numbers from what i would call "small" associations".

Camberwell have 34 and Warrandyte 30+ from this list:

http://www.foxsportspulse.com/assoc_page.cgi?c=1-3911-0-0-0&a=CLUBS

I just don't think its as easy as saying you are small domestically so you can't have teams...


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Anonymous
Years ago
22:02 25 Jul 14

Reply #484725

re: Big V 2015

camberwell and warrandyte could field senior teams.

the seabl in many peoples minds is the second best competition in the country after the wnbl/nbl.

I think it takes some of the focus away from the big v and makes it look almost like 2 different divisions.

The level before coming pro should be simply:
VICBL - split into regions. (each region made up of many large associations - each association contributing a minimum of 1 mens and 1 womens senior rep side and 1 mens and womens junior rep side.
QLDBL- split into regions.
NSWBL- split into regions.
TASBL- split into regions.
SABL- split into regions.
WABL- split into regions.
NTBL - split into regions.

the smaller associations can funnel rep talent into the local larger ones or combine small associations to field the required representative sides until such time they are big enough to field there own sides. eg hampton park/pakenham.


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VP
Years ago
22:11 25 Jul 14

Reply #484726

re: Big V 2015

Agree there is no relationship between the level of competition for all Juniors & Seniors.

Some medium to large Associations are at the top level of Junior competition but their Seniors are playing Div 2 ie Keilor.

You then have Clubs like Sherbrooke playing SCM & SCW but their juniors are almost non-existent.

Perhaps you should consider the current structure in Victoria is the best its ever going to be with SEABL, BIG V, CBL for seniors and then VJBL for juniors.

Don't try to fix what essentially aint broke...


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Anonymous
Years ago
23:31 25 Jul 14

Reply #484734

re: Big V 2015

not broken, but certainly cracked.
to make the whole process from top to bottom a little easier to manage (by just having one committee), just simply have 3 clear and defined leagues:

just funnel all current leagues into these 3.
(seabl, big v, cbl, vjbl, all of them...)

(VSB) senior rep: any association with senior mens and womens rep sides.
champs/div 1/div 2 etc

(VYB) youth rep: any association with youth mens and womens sides.
champs/div 1/div 2 etc

(VJB)junior rep: any association with junior mens and womens rep sides.
(age group) 12's, 14's, 16's etc.


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HO
Years ago
23:55 25 Jul 14

Reply #484735

re: Big V 2015

but you haven't actually established why it is cracked, you just keep proposing a different model - or models.


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Anonymous
Years ago
01:32 26 Jul 14

Reply #484739

re: Big V 2015

Knox basketball is my local association. So I'll use them as an example. In simple terms:
Wouldn't it be easy if I could just pick the best available talent from the domestic clubs of this association and place them into representative sides based on there age all under the banner of knox raiders.

Essentially I have to pick mens and womens teams to represent (juniors) 12's, 14's, 16's, 18's, youth and seniors and people dont forget people with a disability. (so far so good- easy process)

I currently have to place my mens and womens seniors in seabl (why do i put them in seabl over big v?), all my juniors in vjbl and my youth teams in big v. )So i gather up all the paper work and send it off to the various leagues.)

Now, my mens and womens senior teams face strong competition from this state and beyond in the seabl (seen as the nations 2nd best league) eventhough they have similar competitions in there own states (which is quite a large burden for multiple reasons). I play teams from far away who have equally capable leagues in there own state, yet I dont play teams that are of the same calibre from literally minutes away because unfortunately, they are from a different organization. I play brisbane, canberra but i dont play ringwood or waverly. The youth teams play against these sides but my seniors do not?. So i send my senior teams off in 1 direction, my youth teams in another direction and also my juniors. What if I could take all of my seniors and youth to the stadium to face the same opponent. (would be alot less hastle for everyone involved and have so many advantages.)

If we had just had one victorian league which incorparated all victorian basketball associations with rep sides of senior, youth and junior.
seabl, big v, cbl, mmbl, vjbl and vwb all funneled into 1 league with 3 distinct classes split into regions or not (depends on distance)

every association must have at least 1 rep team in every class for it to be viable (doesnt matter whether its champ, div 1 or 2). If a club has only 1 mens or 1 womens rep side in the same division as the opposing side who has both in the same division, then the opposing mens or womens team from the same division has a bye.

(Victorian basketball league)

(senior rep) champs division.
rangers, blues, supercats, braves, miners, sabres, raiders, cobras, spectres, victorian centre of excellenece?, ringwood, corio bay, waverly sherbrooke, bulleen, mckinnon, diamond valley, whittlsea, warrandyte, hume city, werribee, hawthorn, eltham, melbourne. (include tasmanian teams more than likely) can add more based on associations domestic size.

div 1 etc.
div 2 etc.

(youth rep) champs same teams as above.

div 1 etc.
div 2 etc.

(junior rep) champs same teams as above.

div 1 etc.
div 2 etc.
etc..

u12's
u14's
u16's
u18's
u20's


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HO
Years ago
06:57 26 Jul 14

Reply #484743

re: Big V 2015

ok, so lets deal with the premises you have now established....

"I play teams from far away who have equally capable leagues in there own state"

this is flawed, as much as I am a huge defender of the other state leagues, particularly QBL, the Waratah and CABL competitions are not nearly equally capable to SEABL - administratively, promotionally, comptitively and Tassie have no league.

"I dont play teams that are of the same calibre from literally minutes away"

because those teams are not of the same calibre, and if put in the league with you, in the medium term would end up over-spending to keep up.

"What if I could take all of my seniors and youth to the stadium to face the same opponent. (would be alot less hastle for everyone involved and have so many advantages.)"

I think the hassle would be very similar, and I actually cannot think of any advantages, the concept promotionally might have a nice life in the short run, but then wears off and, with the predominance of domestic basketball, would not fly in the first place.

"If we had just had one victorian league which incorparated all victorian basketball associations with rep sides of senior, youth and junior.
seabl, big v, cbl, mmbl, vjbl and vwb all funneled into 1 league with 3 distinct classes split into regions or not "

you would have a competitively weaker structure, by far, than you do now.

The VJBL, for all its flaws, grades teams on ability, which is desirable because of the bulk of the season you have the best teams playing the best teams. This is a competitive advantage to all - that is not happening in your structure.

The BigV also grade, although in a less obvious way and with less success. The SEABL do not grade.

Your concept is a blank piece of paper concept, but they are not always better. It has real weaknesses in juniors, and doesn't account for the momentum of age groups in teams from time to time. Every so often a star team comes from an unusual country location and performs really well in VJBL - it could not be accommodated in your structure but it needs to be accommodated. Your structure effectively assigns an association to a divisional level long term (maybe medium term) despite the fact that within that association from time to time age groups or genders will have strengths and weaknesses.

You have spoken a number of times about regionalising, but that does not always work, it would likely lead longer term to very distinct weaknesses and encourage even more player moveement.

Your thinking on representing associations is interesting (domestic genuinely underpinning rep) but then you grant concesssions to Warrandyte and Camberwell who basically have no underpinning strength.

and finally.....

"Wouldn't it be easy if I could just pick the best available talent from the domestic clubs of this association and place them into representative sides based on there age all under the banner of knox raiders."

don't you do that now?


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VP
Years ago
07:11 26 Jul 14

Reply #484744

re: Big V 2015

Essentially what your saying is you structure the VBL based on Association size and you have fixed Divisions based on the same criteria Association size and you have just 1 junior team in each age group in a Division based on the same criteria Association size - regardless of ability.

In my mind the competition within each level from Seniors to Youth League to Juniors would vary so greatly you couldn't say any of it was a quality competition.

I've seen this type of structure at a local level for football and its a disaster because the assumption is made that the Senior & Junior teams including all age groups are of the same standard (ie all A-Grade) and we know that is never the case.

In terms of the Big V its probably getting too big and some of the Divisions need to reduced to say 10 teams so you keep the quality and you may need more Divisions based on ability to compete and not association size.

In terms of SEABL its an Elite multi-state based competition and provides the high level competition that Clubs & Associations desire otherwise they wouldn't be playing.


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Anonymous
Years ago
11:04 26 Jul 14

Reply #484754

re: Big V 2015

The 'grading' of teams in the Big V this year is nothing short catastrophic!

The problem is teams are where they landed in the last shake up that was over 5 years ago. Think how much teams, rosters and clubs can change in that time. Perfect example you have McKinnon who only had a D3 team 5 years ago and now are a massive club with SCM SCW and YLM YLW. The fact that moving forward the Big V will "strictly adhere to promotion & relegation" shows that the new CEO has no idea of how the league needs to be managed in the future. What a joke

IMO they should look at each team and put them where they belong NOW and not 2 years ago or in 2 years time

Unfortunately next year we will still see the league have 40 point blow outs that could be prevented by putting in the right grade


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Anonymous
Years ago
13:05 26 Jul 14

Reply #484770

re: Big V 2015

Does anyone believe that basketball will hit another boom in the next few years? and should the structure of these leagues be addressed sooner rather than later?


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Anonymous
Years ago
09:52 27 Jul 14

Reply #484896

re: Big V 2015

Wot hapend at the casey keysy mens game last nite? heard it was realy heated


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Anonymous
Years ago
11:24 27 Jul 14

Reply #484904

re: Big V 2015

Teams change to drastically in one season with personnel to really be able to tell what division they should really be in


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Anonymous
Years ago
19:16 27 Jul 14

Reply #484963

re: Big V 2015

#484896, what do you mean by 'heated'. Sounds like your suggesting something happened.


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Billy Hoyle
Years ago
19:58 27 Jul 14

Reply #484967

re: Big V 2015

Think there's a bit of history there in Cavs V Keysy.

I don't entirely agree with the "league is getting too big". I think every Association should have the chance to be represented at Senior Level. Home grown talent shouldn't have to move to a bigger club, just for the chance to play at this level. Long term it can only be good for the game, as it provides our young players with the opportunity to continue playing the game we all love.

I do agree however that referee numbers and 'quality' is an issue and something that needs to grown with the league.


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X
Years ago
07:58 28 Jul 14

Reply #485033

re: Big V 2015

"Billy Hoyle" Casey and Keysy had no history until the first time they met this year then more despicable behaviour on the weekend. One would think the league will need to step in here before things get even more out of control


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Anonymous
Years ago
09:07 28 Jul 14

Reply #485049

re: Big V 2015

#485033

Not sure what behaviour you are reffering to, I was at the game on the weekend for Keysy and Casey and a part from two teams giving there all on the court that was it.

Coming from a seperate association to both these teams you would hope that they do have a rivalry given they are both local to one another. if they didn`t there would be something seriously wrong.

However don`t let the truth get in the way of a good troll or BS story. FIRE AWAY.


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Anonymous
Years ago
09:09 28 Jul 14

Reply #485050

re: Big V 2015

#484754,

"Strictly adhere to a promotion and relegation"?

BIG V has not stayed strict to this at all, look accross the league and you will see many teams that have gone up and down based on the level of play they should be able to achieve.

Clubs have the chance to apply to go up or down a division every year.

Are you a disgruntal coach or club oficial who tried to get promoted and failed?

Every year coaches and clubs claim they should go up a division. Don`t talk about how good you are, SHOW IT!!!!!!


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HO
Years ago
09:21 28 Jul 14

Reply #485057

re: Big V 2015

I wish we still had the original BigV forum sometimes, there were epic debates about Promotion/relegation back then.


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Anonymous
Years ago
09:24 28 Jul 14

Reply #485060

re: Big V 2015

Another deplorable example of management from the referees at yesterdays Diamond Valley v Corio Bay SCM game. DV coach received tech foul withing first 2 minutes of the game, players were teched for swearing at themselves. The powers that be should be looking long and hard at themselves about the way in which their match referees are behaving this year, its shocking to sit there and watch the poor understanding of the game and subsequent poor management.


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Anonymous
Years ago
09:25 28 Jul 14

Reply #485063

re: Big V 2015

they do have the chance to apply but almost always get knocked back. Teams always are 'relegated' and then dispute it and stay in the same division

League structure needs a complete makeover


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Bear
Years ago
10:39 28 Jul 14

Reply #485082

re: Big V 2015

I always thought relegation and promotion, like the football leagues and soccer leagues do it, was the way to go in hoops!

However, the team composition and ability to change teams by moving players and introducing imports during the season play such a major factor in success, how hard is it for the Big V to actually make that call...?


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Happy Days
Years ago
11:13 28 Jul 14

Reply #485093

re: Big V 2015

Promotion/Relegation is the way to go.Let clubs find there level according to their playing talent and finances.


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Anonymous
Years ago
11:29 28 Jul 14

Reply #485103

re: Big V 2015

Happy Days please stop!! talking such sense on here should is banned.


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HO
Years ago
11:49 28 Jul 14

Reply #485111

re: Big V 2015

I have the same question as Bear, but if i read it correctly, with a little less incredulity.

I think it is hard for the BigV to make the call on promotion/relegation.

A couple of years back, Eltham went out (for one season I think) and got a bunch of people to play based on a chequebook.

This is the sort of thing that can easily happen with a BigV program, the roster changes radically because of a new coach, new money, new president... whatever, and can just as easily fall away.

Making promotion and relegation decisions in that environment probably is difficult. And then I am sure, as someone sort of indicated, when they challenge a club about where they "should" be playing they probably get all sorts of bullshit.


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Bear
Years ago
12:10 28 Jul 14

Reply #485121

re: Big V 2015

Actually HO, I do believe in the promotion/relegation theory and I think it could work, should work...

I just think it is in the too hard basket for the league based on facts mentioned, especially when it comes to money and buying success through imports.

(Perhaps it's too hard for an organisation at Big V level to control something like this)?


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Anonymous
Years ago
12:27 28 Jul 14

Reply #485130

re: Big V 2015

When you ask to be promoted/relegated you are asked to provide what your list is going to be made up of for them to make the most educated decision they can.

Obviously a little easier to make if you have recruited players with a reputation or a history of performing as there is numbers to back things up.


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Happy Days
Years ago
12:35 28 Jul 14

Reply #485137

re: Big V 2015

My apologies,local AFL leagues here in Melbourne will be changing to that structure in the long term.An example over here is one league has 3 divisions.Top division pays $250-500k in salaries, 1st division pays $100k to 250k and division 2 is upto 100k. These are broad figures but you can see there is something for everybody.


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Anonymous
Years ago
12:40 28 Jul 14

Reply #485139

re: Big V 2015

Could the Big V ask for roster submissions before the decide on who is where?


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HO
Years ago
12:49 28 Jul 14

Reply #485144

re: Big V 2015

I think they do ask, but between October and March a lot can happen!


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Anonymous
Years ago
12:54 28 Jul 14

Reply #485147

re: Big V 2015

The BIG V do ask. I know clubs i have been at i the past have done this. And have been knocked back or promoted on the strength of said list.

I think in the lower levels and youth levels it is a little harder to get right.

you have unknown players or juniors coming through that nobody has seen that can make an impct.


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Anonymous
Years ago
13:07 28 Jul 14

Reply #485155

re: Big V 2015

Promotion/relegation is the only way forward.

They MUST adopt this sooner rather than later.

As far as assessing lists, how on earth would anyone at BigV know how a team is going to perform on paper??


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HO
Years ago
13:09 28 Jul 14

Reply #485157

re: Big V 2015

Is grading in BigV such a disaster now?

What are the big anomalies?


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Anonymous
Years ago
13:32 28 Jul 14

Reply #485164

re: Big V 2015

What about creating a reward for winning a lower div?

Allow them to replace the bottom team in the Div above.


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Billy Hoyle
Years ago
20:13 28 Jul 14

Reply #485236

re: Big V 2015

"X" an event that happened previously this year could indeed be considered "history" between the two teams. But I don't think it started at the game earlier this season.


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Anonymous
Years ago
22:42 28 Jul 14

Reply #485255

re: Big V 2015

hahaha people talking a lot with a lot of guessing going on with no real idea to whats going on.
rivalry with keysie & casey started at an u20's level & also youth level i think in the same year.. With the hype around the youth rivalry the men got in on the act and it became a much bigger show now that it was in the "seniors" and the rivalry has blown up ever since, now no matter what age group they play - juniors or D2W - there is no love lost between these two clubs as the rivalry has filtered down from Big V into the junior ranks.

Casey also has the same sort of thing with Pakenham, but that started through MMBL then Big V as Pakky obviously dont have youth league,
although there have been stories of Casey vs Pakky junior games getting heated.

I believe any local rivalry is a good thing for sports, get fans to games, creates an atmosphere and its something different to the common 20-30 person crowd at a low Divison Big V game!


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Anonymous
Years ago
07:04 29 Jul 14

Reply #485267

re: Big V 2015

Great rivalry, did they bring their own banjos?


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Tiger Watcher
Years ago
09:04 29 Jul 14

Reply #485274

re: Big V 2015

Sounds like a classic rivalry that is among the great sporting rivalries!

Banjo's and moccos required!


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Anonymous
Years ago
16:02 29 Jul 14

Reply #485346

re: Big V 2015

Cranbourne Ice lol


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Anonymous
Years ago
16:04 29 Jul 14

Reply #485347

re: Big V 2015

Well if there is in fact a bitter rivalry it will be on show this Sunday as there Youth Men both face each other in round one of the finals.


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Funky
Years ago
16:46 29 Jul 14

Reply #485358

re: Big V 2015

If there is a rivalry, people will continue to not give a damn because it's a rubbish division.


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Anonymous
Years ago
13:17 30 Jul 14

Reply #485536

re: Big V 2015

do any of you people truly understand who controls Big V and how decisions are made ?


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Anonymous
Years ago
09:13 31 Jul 14

Reply #485635

re: Big V 2015

I love the Big V versions of the Hatfields v McCoys, those little town Associations in the lower divisions with players who have big chips on their shoulders and memories like elephants to go with minds like sivs, where fouls don't get called in games unless there is blood spilt, bring it on Hay Day!

My only regret is that I can't get to all the stadiums to watch all the battles raging on in 'them thar hills'. Genuinely love it though!


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Anonymous
Years ago
12:22 1 Aug 14

Reply #485848

re: Big V 2015

interestingly casey yl take on keysy this wk

keysy have demolished casey both times this season


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Happy Days
Years ago
14:31 1 Aug 14

Reply #485890

re: Big V 2015

Grant Johnson from Sherbrooke has signed in Finland.


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Anonymous
Years ago
17:36 1 Aug 14

Reply #485932

re: Big V 2015

Is that near Derimut?


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Anonymous
Years ago
11:25 4 Aug 14

Reply #486225

re: Big V 2015

Any surprising results ove r the weekend?


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Anonymous
Years ago
12:10 4 Aug 14

Reply #486238

re: Big V 2015

Looks like most of the top ranked sides went through in all divisions so went according to plan.


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Tiger Watcher
Years ago
12:41 4 Aug 14

Reply #486242

re: Big V 2015

Bulleen getting done by Sherbrooke is a big surprise.

That said Sherbrooke have the best import in the league & Bulleen are pretty poorly coached.


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Anonymous
Years ago
12:54 4 Aug 14

Reply #486243

re: Big V 2015

Corio Bay men showed they are still contenders in the championship with a strong result. In Div 1 Geelong men and women got over the line. Got to be happy down at G Town after this weekend.


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LC
Years ago
13:00 4 Aug 14

Reply #486245

re: Big V 2015

Bower's reputation as a coach is taking a hammering...Warrandyte and now Bulleen...


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HO
Years ago
13:10 4 Aug 14

Reply #486247

re: Big V 2015

"Corio Bay men showed they are still contenders in the championship with a strong result."

Were they ever not a strong contender?


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Anonymous
Years ago
13:40 4 Aug 14

Reply #486249

re: Big V 2015

There have been those who have doubted Corio after winning in their first season. Two new imports had to fit the team and have done so like a glove. Still some work to be done though.


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Anonymous
Years ago
14:13 4 Aug 14

Reply #486253

re: Big V 2015

Who's doubting Corio? They're the best Team money can buy.


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Tiger Watcher
Years ago
14:48 4 Aug 14

Reply #486255

re: Big V 2015

Bower's always seems to have $$ follow him but can't seem to get in done.

His rep has been hurt alot in recent years with many past players less than happy....seems that he can recruit thou but just not a game day guy


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Tiger Watcher
Years ago
15:30 4 Aug 14

Reply #486265

re: Big V 2015

I hearing the Bowers has resigned...

Any idea who'd be front runners for the gig?

Seems like it one of the plump jobs in the Big V....new facility, good core team, money for imports.


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Anonymous
Years ago
16:08 4 Aug 14

Reply #486276

re: Big V 2015

Trevor Lee, Warren Estcourt, Darren Perry ( Once done at Dandenong )


Plenty of good ones


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Anonymous
Years ago
16:16 4 Aug 14

Reply #486279

re: Big V 2015

Bowers been hooked up with a job in membership etc at Melb United, im sure its paying better then at Bulleen, he will jet.


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Anonymous
Years ago
16:42 4 Aug 14

Reply #486280

re: Big V 2015

Maybe try a new coach instead of recycled coaches its typical big v players change clubs every year so lets recycle coaches as well I dont get it


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Tiger Watcher
Years ago
16:54 4 Aug 14

Reply #486283

re: Big V 2015

can't see DP leaving Dandy even thou he now works at Bulleen.

Lee only been at Eltham 1 year so your cant see him moving.

Estcourt hasn't really done well and had finals success so if Bulleen want to be a middle of the road team he is your guy...if they want finals success not sure you chase him.




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Anonymous
Years ago
16:58 4 Aug 14

Reply #486284

re: Big V 2015

Sherbrooke beating the boomers a big suprise not really


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Anonymous
Years ago
17:46 4 Aug 14

Reply #486293

re: Big V 2015

Lester Strong a Cav in 2015


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HO
Years ago
22:06 4 Aug 14

Reply #486322

re: Big V 2015

Why did Ringwood and Corio Bay play this weekend? They both get to host an elimination final winner so why not just give them a bye week?

I realise they will have seeded the EF winners in but still seems pointless.


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Anonymous
Years ago
09:43 5 Aug 14

Reply #486341

re: Big V 2015

The Big V SCM Final fixturing is completely moronic.

Those geese commentate like they know how the game works inside and out but can't even get a finals fixture set up without being a mess.



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Bear
Years ago
09:44 5 Aug 14

Reply #486342

re: Big V 2015

On the face of it HO, may seem pointless, but the people attending enjoyed an exciting game, the association hosting that game got more promotion from the event and the players get to keep their eye in by not having a week off.

I know some players with niggling injuries may have benefited from a week off, but it's not like football where the week's break is more of a benefit IMO.

The Big V scheduling is all over the place, some conferences, other divisions no conferences, etc... It is hard to follow, however it is what it is I guess!


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Anonymous
Years ago
09:53 5 Aug 14

Reply #486343

re: Big V 2015

Casey men have enquired about going to SCM and have been told regardless to who they have they will be playing Divy 2 unless they win it all this year

Another great call by the league which means we will get to see Lester Strong play against 18 year old centres from Maccabi who are only 6'2"


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Anonymous
Years ago
10:15 5 Aug 14

Reply #486350

re: Big V 2015

Why would Darren perry leave dandenong SEABL men when he's such a success their to go coach in bigv .... Really think about it?!!!!!


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Anonymous
Years ago
10:24 5 Aug 14

Reply #486352

re: Big V 2015

Or... Casey can do the hard yards, prove they have the local talent to win in the lower divs and rise on merit then get an import to compete in Champ Men.

Agree on DP, why on earth would he leave Dandenong? It would be like Paul Roos quitting Melb in the AFL to go coach Box Hill Hawks in the VFL...


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HO
Years ago
10:52 5 Aug 14

Reply #486357

re: Big V 2015

Bear, you don't run a finals game so players can keep their eye in or for extra promotion for the home team.

The only other reason I can think of is to determine seedings for the GF, assuming teams ranked 1&2 go through.

Playing this game served little purpose but to detract from the more important elimination finals.

It might be a case of "it is what it is" but that doesn't mean we shouldn't question.


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Anonymous
Years ago
11:01 5 Aug 14

Reply #486358

re: Big V 2015

Just lucky both teams game out healthy Big V.


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Anonymous
Years ago
11:02 5 Aug 14

Reply #486359

re: Big V 2015

Personally i think the League should restrict the use of imports in Div 1 to 1 only and not allow imports in Div 2.

The lower divisions should be about local content and development.

Thoughts?


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HO
Years ago
11:04 5 Aug 14

Reply #486360

re: Big V 2015

#486359

Which just serves to disadvantage country teams and those from small associations.


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Deimos 88
Years ago
11:09 5 Aug 14

Reply #486361

re: Big V 2015

it gets back to the whole keeping the leagues competitive idea


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Anonymous
Years ago
11:11 5 Aug 14

Reply #486362

re: Big V 2015

So HO, what are you suggesting? we keep artificially propping up certain associations??


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HO
Years ago
11:45 5 Aug 14

Reply #486371

re: Big V 2015

I haven't suggested anything. I have pointed out the limitations of the original suggestion which you asked for thoughts on.

There is a debate to be had, and it goes to the stupidity of the "BigV is no better than domestic" argument as well.

That debate is whether D2 and D1 are about Development. I think they are about the Associations A beating Association B. Then their respective YL team is about Development.

A local footy league is not about development, its about Box Hill vs Vermont or Maffra vs Leongatha putting their best teams on the ground each week. Those teams supplement their local content with "imported" players. If you stopped them doing so, you seriously affect their ongoing ability to effectively represent their club.


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Anonymous
Years ago
11:54 5 Aug 14

Reply #486378

re: Big V 2015

Personally i think the League should restrict the use of imports in Div 1 to 1 only and not allow imports in Div 2.

The lower divisions should be about local content and development.

Thoughts?
I agree totally with this, develop what you have especially in these lower divisions.


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HO
Years ago
11:58 5 Aug 14

Reply #486381

re: Big V 2015

So will you also then restrict Australian paid players?


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Anonymous
Years ago
12:02 5 Aug 14

Reply #486383

re: Big V 2015

A restricted player is a restricted player, be that NBL or American.

Bring in a local junior policy, play all your junior career at that association and you get exempt.

I agree, the lower divisions should be about local talent, just like YL. Restrict Div 1 to 1 restricted player and make Div 2 solely about Local talent.


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Anonymous
Years ago
12:05 5 Aug 14

Reply #486384

re: Big V 2015

YL is far from local talent at most clubs


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Anonymous
Years ago
12:21 5 Aug 14

Reply #486387

re: Big V 2015

Local associations are usually run by a board of members, or some similar governance. They have a responsibility to grow their local product, create the best pathway possible for their juniors and usually these concepts are in their policy somewhere.

If they are not doing the right thing by their members, they should be replaced or at least be questioned at committee level.

It is more about what and how each association acts or reacts to gain success than how the league is structured or who is in which division, notwithstanding the fact that we all want reasonable competition with less blow out scores.


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Anonymous
Years ago
12:23 5 Aug 14

Reply #486388

re: Big V 2015

Think you will find most YL teams are local talent, especially if they have a champ team or SEABL team rather than just a div1 team. Look at dandenong YLCW team every single one of their players has come through the ranks of dandenong juniors with one exception. Knox, Bendigo, Ballarat all the same.


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HO
Years ago
12:30 5 Aug 14

Reply #486391

re: Big V 2015

"A restricted player is a restricted player, be that NBL or American."

This would be fine, if the American was always the same quality as the Australian, but they are not, far from it, I agree with lower placed not having NBL quality players (unless they were once locals - Bruce going back to Horsham for example).

But the value to a country D2 club of bringing in an American who rounds out their 5, and makes them competitive enough to make finals, should not be underestimated. But that player is not an NBL quality player these days.

The league has changed, there was a time when every import basically dominated their team's stats. that is not always the case now. I know Mildura's guy can smash the league, and he should be playing at least one, if not two levels up. But the imports, and the way they come into the country now, are complimenting teams generally, not decimating them.

The country argument has long been that the import does a heap of things around their club that they cannot get the Australian guy to do, because the import is only focused on basketball, not on his FT job or study - its reasonable.

You cannot say to a country team you cannot have an import, but then let a small metropolitan team secure a SEABL player because they have the cash and recruiting advantage. The SEABL player is probably not going to take the money to go an play for the Energy or Shepparton, because its too far to go and they will get similar money closer to home.


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Happy Days
Years ago
12:44 5 Aug 14

Reply #486396

re: Big V 2015

For Big V to be more competitive they need a promotion/relegation system where teams can find there level.Dont have a problem with imports playing in the lower divisions but some of them are no better than the local kids.An import averaging less than 15-20points minimum is taking up a spot for a junior.


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Anonymous
Years ago
12:51 5 Aug 14

Reply #486399

re: Big V 2015

Hence my point HD.

For at least D2 make it 100% local content and force these clubs to develop their juniors or local talent rather then recruit over the top of them.


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Anon
Years ago
12:51 5 Aug 14

Reply #486400

re: Big V 2015

Oh ye of short memories.

Darren Perry was sacked last year due to a conflic of interest over his job at Bulleen. It was then overturned when he won the national championship. Same people who booted him out of the DoC role for Dandy juniors and contributed to his original sacking are still there. So anything could happen but I hope he wins the National Title again to shut these people up.

Let's hope he's at Dandy winning titles for as long as he wants to be there.


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Anonymous
Years ago
12:54 5 Aug 14

Reply #486402

re: Big V 2015

Well for it to be overturned I'd say he has more supporters than idiots who want him out so I'd say he's very safe


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HO
Years ago
13:11 5 Aug 14

Reply #486404

re: Big V 2015

"An import averaging less than 15-20 points minimum is taking up a spot for a junior."

That is an absolute statement that is absolutely unprovable HD.

That junior may not be capable of 15 points a game and might not be ready for that. And it also underestimates what that player (import) does for you at training, around the club etc. And in the Country context, you might be losing that junior for 6-8 weeks of your season while they play for Vic Country etc. Country teams cannot recover the gaps like others can.

Warrnambool have done extremely well this year, but effectively needed two imports alongside a bunch of kids. Last year, with effectively three imports and a similar bunch of kids they struggled somewhat. (Their result on the weekend was remarkable because their import did not play.)

No doubt, Warrnambool will start to lose those kids (uni, work) and have to constantly regenerate their program to maintain competitiveness. The argument for them having two restricted players is that it makes them consistently competitive, as their kids learn to play at the level.

You cannot just make hard and fast judgements on imports playing for country cubs based on the 'local development" theory - the result would be Warrnambool not playing in the league.


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Happy Days
Years ago
13:56 5 Aug 14

Reply #486423

re: Big V 2015

An import costing $25k and averaging less than 15 pts per game no matter what they do off the floor is not value for money considering the amount of talent available out there.


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Anonymous
Years ago
14:24 5 Aug 14

Reply #486427

re: Big V 2015

What import ks costing 25 000 grand and averaging less than fifteen points


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Happy Days
Years ago
14:39 5 Aug 14

Reply #486430

re: Big V 2015

Dont give names. With imports its a whole package:Wage,flights,car,accommodation,insurance, licence fees etc....


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Anonymous
Years ago
15:58 5 Aug 14

Reply #486443

re: Big V 2015

Haha HD, I think that you will find a lot of imports in their first year come out on working holiday visas so the club can get them a job to supplement their income.

For the imports that have been out here a couple of seasons or are on a sports visa. They get paid a min $500 a week. They would then have to work to help offset that through coaching or stuff around the office.


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Anonymous
Years ago
16:20 5 Aug 14

Reply #486446

re: Big V 2015

If your paying imports 25k to play div 2 than you are 1. STUPID and 2. Getting ripped of.. Some seabl high level imports dont get paid that much FACT.

I agree div 1 limit to one import per club whether that be city or country.

div 2 have local players only. Div 2 is more a social comp that gets a chance to play at a reasonable level, lets be honest. Most guys running around wont have any ambition to take there games to the next level so keep the talent local and develop kids.

Seen with country clubs especially (Horsham, Shepparton and Warragul) these small clubs are dying to local footy. Kids need opportunity to play not sit on the bench. Can only look at recent events at Horsham, they had many players traveling to play to make up numbers in a team. It doesnt work.


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Happy Days
Years ago
16:22 5 Aug 14

Reply #486447

re: Big V 2015

I know of one import at Big V level who is on $60k a year.Nearly fell off my perch when i heard that.That is not playing only, there are few more components to it than that.


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Anonymous
Years ago
16:36 5 Aug 14

Reply #486450

re: Big V 2015

$60 000 turn it up who is it


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Juno31
Years ago
17:01 5 Aug 14

Reply #486455

re: Big V 2015

Matt Pebole at Casey is on $38k for the time he is out here


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Anon
Years ago
17:09 5 Aug 14

Reply #486456

re: Big V 2015

^^^
Not bad for a club with no cash....


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Happy Days
Years ago
17:25 5 Aug 14

Reply #486460

re: Big V 2015

$60k for 12 mths.


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Tiger watcher
Years ago
17:43 5 Aug 14

Reply #486464

re: Big V 2015

If it is a 12month gig $60k for full time work then games/coaching on weekends is avg money.

Let's say he playing, plus coaching kids and working 9-5 for 12 months it really is not great money


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Happy Days
Years ago
18:37 5 Aug 14

Reply #486467

re: Big V 2015

TW thats true.I think the problem is the player has had it pretty easy in the past but new management has put KPI's on him which will see the end of easy street.


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Anonymous
Years ago
19:27 5 Aug 14

Reply #486482

re: Big V 2015

Matt Pebole is on a working holiday visa and wouldn't not be making $38k for playing.

Casey might have got him a job to earn that


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Anonymous
Years ago
06:35 6 Aug 14

Reply #486533

re: Big V 2015

$500 per week, LOL turn it up.. For starters the minimum wage in Australia is $640 per week, so the absolute bare bones an import can legally be paid if he turned up at the start of the season and left at the end is about $16.5K. Then they get other benefits on top like car, accom, camps etc.

Its more like $25K for a D3/Duco player and up to $60k for a top notch import.

Some of you also need to ask BigV what their ruling is on making payments to players on Holiday and non working/sporting Visas too...


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Anonymous
Years ago
08:19 6 Aug 14

Reply #486536

re: Big V 2015

Casey realised earlier this year they were doing it wrong with Pebole, check earlier posts where they are gloating about being able to afford an import


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Anonymous
Years ago
08:27 6 Aug 14

Reply #486537

re: Big V 2015

If you break the law and get caught you'll get in deep poo. It's illegal to pay tourists for work unless they have the appropriate visa, its also illegal to under pay an employee.

Basketball clubs need to get smarter and more professional or they'll end up in a world of hurt and mess.


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HO
Years ago
09:15 6 Aug 14

Reply #486540

re: Big V 2015

"An import costing $25k and averaging less than 15 pts per game no matter what they do off the floor is not value for money considering the amount of talent available out there."

HD, you are normally pretty reasonable, but that is another absolute, unprovable statement. And the assumptions behind it are flawed in my view.

I remember Steve D. (cannot spell his surname) at Bendigo used to bring in imports to places like Echuca and Wangaratta. They came in under sporting visas (not working/holiday visas which make it easier now) and this were well paid. Those guys played in their teams and generally had good numbers. Being imports they became celebrities in those country communities which cannot be replicated in Melbourne and thus created multiple promotional opportunities for their club and town. But they did far more than play, working in admin, creating new competitions, school clinics etc. Even today, at 25k, that would be a good investment for many of these communities. and again, these communities cannot attract a high quality Australian to their town for a short period of time.

Of course you want more than 15 ppg from them, but you need him to be helping you win games/remain competitive most of all, whatever his numbers are. the guys has to deliver on and off court, build the game and help you with profile.


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Happy Days
Years ago
09:52 6 Aug 14

Reply #486543

re: Big V 2015

It depends what you want: do you want an import to play, do you want a coaching director or ambassador or do you want both?From a playing perspective for $25k you can get 3 very good Aussies at $8k each.Country towns are different to metro teams.Imports are a big deal in a country town and you have to question the quality of some of the imports in the lower grades.


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Anonymous
Years ago
10:02 6 Aug 14

Reply #486544

re: Big V 2015

Anyway enough about wages who everybody tipping this weekend and to win it


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Anonymous
Years ago
10:10 6 Aug 14

Reply #486546

re: Big V 2015

$500 per week, LOL turn it up.. For starters the minimum wage in Australia is $640 per week, so the absolute bare bones an import can legally be paid if he turned up at the start of the season and left at the end is about $16.5K. Then they get other benefits on top like car, accom, camps etc.

Its more like $25K for a D3/Duco player and up to $60k for a top notch import.

Some of you also need to ask BigV what their ruling is on making payments to players on Holiday and non working/sporting Visas too...


Don't know what country your living in but $650.00 per week is certainly a lot more than the minimum wage


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Anonymous
Years ago
10:45 6 Aug 14

Reply #486552

re: Big V 2015

650.00 per week is way over the minimum wage here in Australia, just ask those who would love that as their minimum wage


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Anonymous
Years ago
10:54 6 Aug 14

Reply #486556

re: Big V 2015

Oh really?

http://www.smh.com.au/national/minimum-wage-up-3-per-cent-rise-of-1870-a-week-20140604-39is5.html

Australia's 1.5 million lowest-paid workers will be awarded an $18.70 a week wage rise as the Fair Work Commission tries to reduce inequality in earnings.

The 3 per cent pay rise, lifting the minimum wage to $640.90 a week, or $16.87 an hour, will affect people on the minimum wage and award-rate workers, including Australia's lowest-paid cleaners, retail and hospitality staff, childcare workers, farm labourers and factory workers.


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HO
Years ago
10:57 6 Aug 14

Reply #486557

re: Big V 2015

HD, we have been talking about country teams. People here are proposing removing imports from D2 and restricting D1 to one.

That limits country teams and would probably see many of them leave the league.

A country team spending 8k on 3 Australians to come play for them would be stupid, as it would just suck up court time for some kids, but getting one import at 25k who does other things compliments your team and program if you manage it right.

Mildura or Shepparton or Horsham or Wodonga or Warrnambool would be unlikely to get an Australian at 8k for anything other than playing, and even then getting them to commit to training would be difficult.


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Anonymous
Years ago
11:03 6 Aug 14

Reply #486561

re: Big V 2015

HO, if Div 2 was restricted player free how would that impede country teams for competing? Surely if all teams had to play with 100% local content it would be a level playing field.

If a Country team wants to run with Imports they just enter Div 1 or Champ.

There needs to be a shuffling of the divisions and the creation of clear steps in standard as well as removing the cost burden of needing an import to compete at some level.

At Div 2 level make the best local talent the focal point not imports. Clear up a spot or 2 for local players. If the removal of 1 player kills a team you have to ask if they really are upto the level anyway.

BigV needs to have a cleansing and refocus on quality not quantity.


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paul
Years ago
11:06 6 Aug 14

Reply #486564

re: Big V 2015

By making Div 2 restricted player free you are taking away one valuable method of promoting the association. I'm not sure that's the answer.


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Bear
Years ago
11:24 6 Aug 14

Reply #486570

re: Big V 2015

@HO, it does appear that game was played for seedings as you suspected it might have been:

State Championship Men

Corio Bay claimed home court advantage for the playoffs with a stirring 99-74 demolition of Ringwood in the Hawks own gym.


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Happy Days
Years ago
11:26 6 Aug 14

Reply #486572

re: Big V 2015

I was talking metro more the country. We only hear about the imports who post the big numbers but there are also some that are taking up roster spots whos statistics are less than flattering....


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Anonymous
Years ago
11:36 6 Aug 14

Reply #486573

re: Big V 2015

Juno31 & Anon #486536

How do you guys post blatant lies without any concience. Is it really so important to you to post stuff that you'll just make anything up.

Matt Pebole is here on a working holiday visa and is not paid by Casey. He has been working in a retail sports store, has the use of a car donated by a beneficiary and lives with the coach's family at no cost to himself or the club.

Get your facts straight please. You don't understand the implications of posting stuff that isn't correct.


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anonymous
Years ago
12:00 6 Aug 14

Reply #486583

re: Big V 2015

#HD, we have been talking about country teams. People here are proposing removing imports from D2 and restricting D1 to one.

That limits country teams and would probably see many of them leave the league.

A country team spending 8k on 3 Australians to come play for them would be stupid, as it would just suck up court time for some kids, but getting one import at 25k who does other things compliments your team and program if you manage it right.

Mildura or Shepparton or Horsham or Wodonga or Warrnambool would be unlikely to get an Australian at 8k for anything other than playing, and even then getting them to commit to training would be difficult.#


seriously why do DIV2 players need paying, its not a huge comp standard wise really so why do they need to have an import, DIV2 is like CBL level, they don't allow imports in that comp, and any 'import' worth any good is surely not going to settle for DIV2, come on get real guys.
Totally agree with who ever said if the removal of one player means that team cant compete you need to seriously ask should they be their in the first place.


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HO
Years ago
13:17 6 Aug 14

Reply #486591

re: Big V 2015

#486561

Thats a good comment.

but what is local content to a metro vs country team?

Local content for Collingwood or keysey is basically any guy that wants to try out from a multitude of associations nearby - all of which probably have a player base in the thousands.

Local content for Horsham is almost certainly limited to the guys that play in the Horsham local competition which i suspect has way less than 1000 players, many of whom play footy as well.

I think the challenge of putting a small country program (i haven't talked about geelong or bendigo here) on the floor is far greater than you guys realise.


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HO
Years ago
13:24 6 Aug 14

Reply #486593

re: Big V 2015

#486583

I am not saying D2 players need paying.

(However, comparable players playing country footy are paid....)

I am saying that removing the capacity of a D2 country club from having an import reduces their capacity to be competitive, to be promoted etc.

Look at traditionally smaller clubs who have climbed the ranks in recent times - Camberwell, Warrandyte and Mckinnon. All have basically gone on recruiting drives to do that - and i don't mean they have poached players, in some cases they have grabbed guys out of retirement etc. They can do that recruiting because there is a big pool of players locally to recruit from - that is not the case for smaller country clubs.


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Happy Days
Years ago
13:26 6 Aug 14

Reply #486595

re: Big V 2015

Country basketball teams can't compete with what local football clubs pay so the guys that do play are doing it for love more than anything else.
Just to put things in perspective:

http://www.bordermail.com.au/story/2461823/o-and-m-paying-players-2m-plus/?cs=2529


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HO
Years ago
13:46 6 Aug 14

Reply #486596

re: Big V 2015

BTW,

I really agree with this:

"BigV needs to have a cleansing and refocus on quality not quantity."


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Anonymous
Years ago
13:48 6 Aug 14

Reply #486597

re: Big V 2015

753 annon... Yeah sure he isnt getting dosh.. Just like other imports "aren't" getting paid... Pull of your blindfold son


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Anonymous
Years ago
15:58 6 Aug 14

Reply #486615

re: Big V 2015

If all Div 2 imports are doing is turning up, dumping 20+ on opponents and then putting their feet up, it seems to me they are either being under utilised and/or are the wrong type of import for the respective situations, whether its country or a metro club rebooting iteself for the Xth time.

The imports bring the kids to the camps. The imports (the right imports) make players around them better and raise the standard of the building.

Some of the imports I suspect are responsible for some of the lesser Div 2 players firing on cylinders they probably never knew they had (I am thinking some of the results out of Oakleigh's first year).

I might be wrong...


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Happy Days
Years ago
16:32 6 Aug 14

Reply #486619

re: Big V 2015

Does Caseys import need a FIBA licence to play here even though he is not being paid by the club and does that apply to all imports on working visas?


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Anonymous
Years ago
13:41 7 Aug 14

Reply #486720

re: Big V 2015

There should be more YL teams and that will feed division teams

BTW something needs to be done about CBL, they should be included in this in some way.


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Anonymous
Years ago
13:44 7 Aug 14

Reply #486721

re: Big V 2015

If you are on a working holiday visa the club can pay you whatever they want or nothing at all.

You need to get a clearance from the last country that you played in.


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Happy Days
Years ago
14:20 7 Aug 14

Reply #486728

re: Big V 2015

Thanks Anon for the info.Do you still need a FIBA Oceania licence or does that get waived.


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bethdavis10
Years ago
15:34 7 Aug 14

Reply #486738

re: Big V 2015

Happy Days - A Foreign Player's Licence is required for all players who do not have Australian citizenship, regardless of what type of visa they are here on.


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Anonymous
Years ago
15:39 7 Aug 14

Reply #486739

re: Big V 2015

Beth is 100% correct.


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HO
Years ago
16:38 7 Aug 14

Reply #486745

re: Big V 2015

Thats interesting, I thought it was dependent on the level you play.


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Happy Days
Years ago
17:57 7 Aug 14

Reply #486759

re: Big V 2015

Thanks Beth for clarifying the point.


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Anonymous
Years ago
21:01 10 Aug 14

Reply #487360

re: Big V 2015

#cavsnation #bigvchampionshipseries #changeiscoming #theseguyscanplay #game1inshepthisweek


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Anonymous
Years ago
09:51 11 Aug 14

Reply #487382

re: Big V 2015

....its D2 flog


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Anon
Years ago
11:25 11 Aug 14

Reply #487385

re: Big V 2015

Same Cavs Nation that was going to win the Championship in all 3 Divisions they competed in ??
#notevenclose


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Anon
Years ago
13:26 11 Aug 14

Reply #487408

re: Big V 2015

They'll just get new coaches and they'll win it all next year....


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Anonymous
Years ago
14:58 11 Aug 14

Reply #487433

re: Big V 2015

I think someone might have said earlier that Lester Strong a Cav in 2015. Can anyone confirm this or is it wild speculation?


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Anonymous
Years ago
19:05 11 Aug 14

Reply #487472

re: Big V 2015

on his instagram he post a photo the other week that said #cavsnation.. so looks like it

either that or his following lebron to cleveland?


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Anonymous
Years ago
08:29 14 Aug 14

Reply #487991

re: Big V 2015

Which coaches are not back next season?


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Anonymous
Years ago
10:20 14 Aug 14

Reply #488013

re: Big V 2015

Keysborough Moving all coaches on and starting fresh.


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Anonymous
Years ago
13:14 14 Aug 14

Reply #488064

re: Big V 2015

didn't there coaches get a life ban? saw it on another thread


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Anonymous
Years ago
13:17 14 Aug 14

Reply #488066

re: Big V 2015

#488013 Are you sure they not just advertising each year like 90% of other clubs do? Some clubs its in their constitution


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Anonymous
Years ago
14:27 14 Aug 14

Reply #488092

re: Big V 2015

How do you know Keysborough is moving all coaches on? Pretty sure they are not


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Anonymous
Years ago
14:35 14 Aug 14

Reply #488097

re: Big V 2015

All three of their coaches were a joke and they under perform year in year out. That place needs a major change.


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Billy Hoyle
Years ago
18:09 14 Aug 14

Reply #488155

re: Big V 2015

The D2 Men's team lost in the Semi's. The Youth Team won the Championship. How is that under performing ?


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Anonymous
Years ago
20:01 14 Aug 14

Reply #488170

re: Big V 2015

Chelsea has advertised all 3 positions.


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Happy Days
Years ago
20:54 14 Aug 14

Reply #488176

re: Big V 2015

Alot of clubs advertise the coaching roles as its in their constitution.


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Anonymous
Years ago
08:31 15 Aug 14

Reply #488219

re: Big V 2015

Did you see the teams Keysborough had this year? a bunch of blind monkeys could have coached those teams to success this season. It had nothing to do with the coaches where they ended up.

Good move by Keysborough.


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Anonymous
Years ago
09:19 15 Aug 14

Reply #488229

re: Big V 2015

Keysborough are a joke

All they do is blow their own trumpet n tell everyone how good they think they are


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Anonymous
Years ago
09:21 15 Aug 14

Reply #488230

re: Big V 2015

wow they won a youth league title with players from every club bar keysborough


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Anonymous
Years ago
09:56 15 Aug 14

Reply #488234

re: Big V 2015

Sour grapes DM?


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Smeta
Years ago
10:49 15 Aug 14

Reply #488243

re: Big V 2015

You mutha F@ckas make me laugh. Always the same old bull sh!t


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Anonymous
Years ago
15:02 15 Aug 14

Reply #488286

re: Big V 2015

It's the truth though! You could have sat a rock down on the bench as a coach and keysie still would have won youth 2 men. That team was head and shoulders above every other team in the league. I think they shouldn't have lost as many as they did!


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Anonymous
Years ago
16:00 15 Aug 14

Reply #488310

re: Big V 2015

Look here Casey people - Calm down and focus on your men's team against Shep this week. Don't be jealous

Then jus come back on here next year and tell everyone that you going to win 3/3 titles. I've never laughed so hard. Your committee doesn't even let your coaches pick their teams

THANK YOU CASEY FOR ENTERTAINING US WITH YOUR STUPID CLAIMS


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Anonymous
Years ago
22:17 23 Aug 14

Reply #489520

re: Big V 2015

How did you go tonight Casey?


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Anonymous
Years ago
07:19 10 Sep 14

Reply #493287

re: Big V 2015

Bulleen Templestowe Basketball Club, is seeking expressions of interest from coaches for the men's Senior Championship and Youth Championship Big V teams for season 2015.

http://www.foxsportspulse.com/get_file.cgi?id=3313291


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Ashke
Years ago
08:41 10 Sep 14

Reply #493294

re: Big V 2015

Happy Days, whats the word out of Mornington with the Senior Coaching gigs?


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Happy Days
Years ago
10:23 10 Sep 14

Reply #493320

re: Big V 2015

Ex Mornington player returning to coach


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Anonymous
Years ago
10:27 10 Sep 14

Reply #493321

re: Big V 2015

Vlad Tankov Player/coach?


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Billy Hoyle
Years ago
10:37 10 Sep 14

Reply #493327

re: Big V 2015

Have heard of a mass exodus of players from Chelsea D1 Men. Best, Standerfer among others all gone. Can anyone shed light ?


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Anonymous
Years ago
11:44 10 Sep 14

Reply #493350

re: Big V 2015

Sounds like Oakleigh D2 Men will be getting some new recruits then.


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Ashke
Years ago
11:51 10 Sep 14

Reply #493355

re: Big V 2015

Happy Days, I take it thats with the Men's program? What about the Women's side of things, talk of players walking out but that whisper comes around every year with Morno.


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Anonymous
Years ago
12:00 10 Sep 14

Reply #493363

re: Big V 2015

Put it this way Oakleigh will look a lot like the successful McKinnon teams from the last decade

Uh derrr, Vlad coaching Mornington is the Big V's worst kept secret

Don't worry tho the Mornington committee will change its mind 7 times between now and the start of the season

Although it is refreshing to see Mornington finally appoint a mens coach who knows the club as opposed to all the external people they have had in the past


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Happy Days
Years ago
12:44 10 Sep 14

Reply #493372

re: Big V 2015

Somebody is impersonating me...Haven't heard anything as tied up with other commitments.With Phil King taking over as President things should become alot more structured and stable.Heard nothing on the coaching front.I did like Demarcus's comments in the Big V magazine.


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Billy Hoyle
Years ago
13:20 10 Sep 14

Reply #493381

re: Big V 2015

The grapevine reports potential coaching changes in D2W for Chelsea, Mornington & Casey


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Anonymous
Years ago
14:19 10 Sep 14

Reply #493395

re: Big V 2015

Two top four sides and one who was a finalist for a few years before sacking the previous coach.

Why would they get rid of the current staff at Chelsea and Mornington, I can understand Casey as they went backwards in a huge way. The committee getting involved again in basketball matters ruined that one.


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Anonymous
Years ago
16:16 10 Sep 14

Reply #493442

re: Big V 2015

Word is Chelsea and Mornington chasing a womens' coach from a neighbouring higher profile program.


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Billy Hoyle
Years ago
17:18 10 Sep 14

Reply #493453

re: Big V 2015

Oakleigh advertising an EOI for D2W
Chelsea same for Youth Women
Both WP men's teams require new coaches. Whisper of the Men's team looking at a former D1M COTY
Casey women's coach to be an ex player


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Ashke
Years ago
22:00 11 Sep 14

Reply #493676

re: Big V 2015

So they are seeking an U12's coach from Frankston?


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Happy Days
Years ago
23:26 11 Sep 14

Reply #493681

re: Big V 2015

Why is there such a merry go round for coaches in Big V.You can only do what you can with what you've got.Why not focus on bringing your juniors through, rather than buying a title.


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Anonymous
Years ago
06:41 12 Sep 14

Reply #493688

re: Big V 2015

Interesting about Vlad. He has a good knowledge of the game but not sure about playing and coaching.


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Yep
Years ago
08:28 12 Sep 14

Reply #493697

re: Big V 2015

Happy Days, Spot on the money. Some of the cash spent at the lower levels is a joke.

I can understand for country teams who may struggle to fill the teams with quality coming through,

The amount of D2 teams running with imports and paying players to compete is laughable.


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Ashke
Years ago
10:47 12 Sep 14

Reply #493731

re: Big V 2015

So what do you do with someone like Western port D2 Women? They are coming up to D1 next season and will clearly need to spend money on their team as they are miles off D1 level, and their junior girls program is weak so what do they do?


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Yep
Years ago
11:25 12 Sep 14

Reply #493740

re: Big V 2015

Think you will find that WP are staying down in D2. Just because you win doesn`t mean that you have to go up a division.

I am sure they can recruit some players if they have the right contacts to play there.

Are WP not classed as a country association?


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Anonymous
Years ago
11:39 12 Sep 14

Reply #493744

re: Big V 2015

Don't need to spend money. Look at Southern pen men's this year compared to last year.
Big dollars does not always equal success!


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Anonymous
Years ago
17:30 14 Sep 14

Reply #494010

re: Big V 2015

Dan Riches to Hawthorn. Would be very interesting for the men's team.


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Anonymous
Years ago
17:43 14 Sep 14

Reply #494013

re: Big V 2015

With dan moving to hawthorn what does that mean for CB now?


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oberon
Years ago
09:55 15 Sep 14

Reply #494100

re: Big V 2015

Spending money was great for Pakenham in D2M.

Said no one ever.


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Anonymous
Years ago
11:04 15 Sep 14

Reply #494115

re: Big V 2015

How much were Pakenham spending?


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Anonymous
Years ago
12:22 15 Sep 14

Reply #494128

re: Big V 2015

If they paid $5 even, that would be more than they should have.

It's D2M for crying out loud


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Anonymous
Years ago
13:29 15 Sep 14

Reply #494149

re: Big V 2015

Anyone know who got the Bulleen Champ men now KB has moved on?


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Anonymous
Years ago
14:52 15 Sep 14

Reply #494179

re: Big V 2015

Assuming since they have not announced anyone that it hasn`t been filled yet.


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Radical
Years ago
14:59 15 Sep 14

Reply #494184

re: Big V 2015

Bulleen roles don't close until the end of this month so nothing has happened yet.


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Anonymous
Years ago
23:19 15 Sep 14

Reply #494262

re: Big V 2015

I heard paky have learnt from past mistakes of the last two years and will mostly have local paky players and NOT bringing washed up players looking to milk a gulable club for coin before they retire.

They had some kids that could legit play in D2M but they just sat on their bums at the end of the bench.


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Justforlaughs
Years ago
13:39 19 Sep 14

Reply #494730

re: Big V 2015

Casey has reappointed all three coaches for next season.
Clearly looking to keep things stable it would seem.


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Anonymous
Years ago
14:13 19 Sep 14

Reply #494733

re: Big V 2015

#Cavsnation Three Championships in 2015!!! LOCK IT IN.


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Anonymous
Years ago
14:24 19 Sep 14

Reply #494734

re: Big V 2015

What if one of their coaches picks up COY this weekend? Surely that would be the end of them??


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Anonymous
Years ago
14:40 19 Sep 14

Reply #494737

re: Big V 2015

#Cavsnation baby look out everyone we are coming for you.


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Billy Hoyle
Years ago
23:24 19 Sep 14

Reply #494838

re: Big V 2015

All 3 coaches ? Surprising
#cavsnation, get over it buddy. Nobody cares.


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Billy Hoyle
Years ago
14:16 21 Sep 14

Reply #495025

re: Big V 2015

Any surprise results from the awards last night ?
Though Kaban unlucky with D2M MVP and a few all star picks were questionable perhaps.


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VP
Years ago
15:28 21 Sep 14

Reply #495032

re: Big V 2015

MOST VALUABLE PLAYER

State Championship Men- Grant Johnson (Sherbrooke Suns)
State Championship Women- Colleen Planeta (Hume City)
Division 1 Men- Calvin Henry (Mildura)
Division 1 Women- Lindsay Horbatuck (Latrobe City)
Division 2 Men- Matthew Bartlett (Shepparton)
Division 2 Women- Jessica Thompson (Western Port)
Molten Victorian Youth Championship Men- Dylan Hogarty-Doyle (Nunawading)
Molten Victorian Youth Championship Women- Geraldine McCorkell (Dandenong)
Youth League 1 Men- Max Cody (McKinnon)
Youth League 1 Women- Alysha Carden-David (Altona)
Youth League 2 Men- Staci Richardson (Keysborough)

ALL STAR FIVE

STATE CHAMPIONSHIP MEN

Guard- Liam Norton (Bulleen)
Guard- Grant Johnson (Sherbrooke)
Forward- Jason Reardon (Corio Bay)
Forward- Ivan Platenik (Waverley)
Centre- Ma'alo Hicks (Corio Bay)

STATE CHAMPIONSHIP WOMEN

Guard- Funda Nakkasoglu (Bulleen)
Guard- Nicole Zammit (McKinnon)
Forward- Amber Hegge (Ringwood)
Forward- Tegan Cunningham (Waverley)
Centre- Colleen Planeta (Hume City)

DIVISION 1 MEN:

Guard- Brett Goodgame (Geelong)
Guard- Jordan Canovan (Latrobe City)
Forward- Calvin Henry (Mildura)
Forward- Corey Standerfer (Chelsea)
Centre- Seb Loader (Geelong)

DIVISION 1 WOMEN:

Guard- Kylie Morrissy (Geelong)
Guard- Vanessa Power (Mildura)
Forward- Amy Wormald (Geelong)
Forward- Sarina Simmons (Mildura)
Centre- Lindsay Horbatuck (Latrobe City Energy)

DIVISION 2 MEN

Guard- Eric Miraflores (Keysborough)
Guard- Matthew Bartlett (Shepparton)
Forward- Matthew Witherden (Casey)
Forward- Andrew Kaban (Oakleigh)
Centre- John Lewis (Shepparton)

DIVISION 2 WOMEN:

Guard- Merle Hall (Coburg)
Guard- Jessica Thompson (Western Port)
Forward- Jasmine Lovejoy (Chelsea)
Forward- Rachel Jeffery (North East)
Centre- Lauren Cooper (Western Port)

MOLTEN VICTORIAN YOUTH CHAMPIONSHIP MEN

Guard- Adrian Tomada (Kilsyth)
Guard- Kirk Smith (Sherbrooke)
Forward- Dylan Hogarty-Doyle (Nunawading)
Forward- Matthew McCarthy (Waverley)
Centre- Stefan Ionescu (Nunawading)

MOLTEN VICTORIAN YOUTH CHAMPIONSHIP WOMEN

Guard- Stephanie Reid (Frankston)
Guard- Sam Castles (Knox)
Forward- Geraldine McCorkell (Dandenong)
Forward- Caitlin McLachlan (Bendigo)
Centre- Sophie Tarabolsi (Dandenong)

YOUTH LEAGUE 1 MEN:

Guard- Max Cody (McKinnon)
Guard- Mitchell Alush (Werribee)
Forward- Jake Cowling (Bendigo)
Forward- Elliot Warren (McKinnon)
Centre- Mitchell Angleton (Werribee)

YOUTH LEAGUE 1 WOMEN

Guard- Stephanie Belbasis (Coburg)
Guard- Sam Loughhead (Corio Bay)
Forward- Alysha Carden-David (Altona)
Forward - Megan Hendry (McKinnon)
Centre- Ezi Magbegor (Coburg)

YOUTH LEAGUE 2 MEN

Guard- Dominic Bruno (Craigieburn)
Guard- Billy Feben (Melton)
Forward- Bradley Murfett (Chelsea)
Forward- Staci Richardson (Keysborough)
Centre- Matthew Walker (Keysborough)

COACH OF THE YEAR

State Championship Men- Ken Harrington (Ringwood)
State Championship Women- Warren Taylor (Hume City)
Division 1 Men- Bobby Cunningham (Warrnambool)
Division 1 Women- Ang Wall (Mildura)
Division 2 Men- Russell Parker (Shepparton)
Division 2 Women- Carl Mascitti (Coburg)
Molten Victorian Youth Championship Men- Peter Godfrey (Kilsyth)
Molten Victorian Youth Championship Women- Gary Fox (Bulleen)
Youth League 1 Men- Marcus Timmons (McKinnon)
Youth League 1 Women- Hannah Lowe (Hawthorn)
Youth League 2 Men- Craigh Smethhurst (Keysborough)

DEFENSIVE PLAYER OF THE YEAR

State Championship Men- Titus Robinson (Sherbrooke)
State Championship Women- Colleen Planeta (Hume City)
Division 1 Men- Max Allin (Southern Peninsula)
Division 1 Women- Lindsay Horbatuck (Latrobe City)
Division 2 Men- John Lewis (Shepparton)
Division 2 Women- Claire Edwards (Melbourne University)
Molten Victorian Youth Championship Men- Dyland Hogarty-Doyle (Nunawading)
Molten Victorian Youth Championship Women- Sam Castles (Knox)
Youth League 1 Men- Aden Muir (Sunbury)
Youth League 1 Women- Margaret Kershaw (Warrandyte)
Youth League 2 Men- Jamal Talo (Keysborough)

YOUTH PLAYER/RISING STAR/ROOKIE OF THE YEAR

State Championship Men- Matthew Jackson (Diamond Valley Eagles)
State Championship Women- Amy O'Neill (Diamond Valley Eagles)
Division 1 Men- Michael D'Agostino (Blackburn)
Division 1 Women- Ella Hellessey (Southern Pen)
Division 2 Men- Joel Smith (Keilor)
Division 2 Women- Rhinna Barton (Shepparton)
Molten Victorian Youth Championship Men- Adrian Tomada (Kilsyth)
Molten Victorian Youth Championship Women- Shannon Dufficy (Diamond Valley)
Youth League 1 Men- Max Cody (McKinnon)
Youth League 1 Women- Ezi Magbegor (Coburg)
Youth League 2 Men- Dominic Bruno (Craigieburn)


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Anonymous
Years ago
19:34 21 Sep 14

Reply #495075

re: Big V 2015

Good choices with Casey reappointing the 3 coaches. Stability is a good thing. Women's team should be better with a solid pre season. wouldn't expect a championship but top 4 should be achievable!

Not sure where you get your info billy hoyle!


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Anonymous
Years ago
11:47 26 Sep 14

Reply #495567

re: Big V 2015

Bulleen Boomers has announced that Matt Papps and Gary Fox will return as our Big V women coaches for 2015.


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Billy Hoyle
Years ago
12:39 26 Sep 14

Reply #495574

re: Big V 2015

Obviously not all my sources are on the money.
The women had a good pre-season this year.
I think unless they add some pieces, especially with their departures, there cant be much improvement.


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Anonymous
Years ago
12:58 26 Sep 14

Reply #495577

re: Big V 2015

I'm hearing Lester Strong will be at Casey for 2015.


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Anonymous
Years ago
16:08 26 Sep 14

Reply #495592

re: Big V 2015

All over social meadia at the start of this year saying they had a great pre-seaon.

Are they gonna have a great great great pre-season for 2015?

Fact is the only way that any of there teams have anything close to a chance at being succesfful is by opening the cheque book.

Shame as the two mens coaches actually know there shit, Admin and committee need to stay the hell out of basketball matters and let the coaches do their thing.


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Anonymous
Years ago
20:43 26 Sep 14

Reply #495616

re: Big V 2015

Spot on the men's coaches at Casey are good. Yet the committee has the right to select the team

Go figure


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Anonymous
Years ago
08:50 29 Sep 14

Reply #495763

re: Big V 2015

Oakleigh in for D2 womens, top secret meeting last night to see if they can get a team together for the 2015 season. (might want to make those facebook invites private if you don`t want everyone finding out)

Not sure how Happy Mckinnon will be when they find out that their entire youth womens side is being pouched to represent a club 1 suburb away.

If you are having a meeting now to see if you can get a side together I think it is safe to say you are not ready to enter into the BIG V for 2015 Oakleigh.


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T
Years ago
20:32 29 Sep 14

Reply #495887

re: Big V 2015

Good point re mck and oakleigh


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Billy Hoyle
Years ago
07:36 30 Sep 14

Reply #495931

re: Big V 2015

Isn't the majority of McKinnons senior women's team the waverly team from a few years back ? Coach and all ?
Could be mistaken, but isn't that the same thing...?


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Anonymous
Years ago
08:15 30 Sep 14

Reply #495934

re: Big V 2015

Team manager too


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Ashke
Years ago
09:35 30 Sep 14

Reply #495945

re: Big V 2015

Billy Hoyle you are spot on my friend!


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Happy Days
Years ago
11:30 30 Sep 14

Reply #495961

re: Big V 2015

Will Demarcus get the coaching gig at Mornington?


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Anonymous
Years ago
08:26 1 Oct 14

Reply #496043

re: Big V 2015

Mck already had a team in place did they not?

The case here is that there is no team currently in place at Oakleigh seems a risky move to enter a side into the comp based on the hope that players will defect from elsewhere.

I`d certainly want to build up my own stocks before doing so.


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Anonymous
Years ago
14:46 1 Oct 14

Reply #496089

re: Big V 2015

Anon 043. No the girls moved as a block to McKinnon, and they were then accepted as a late entry into the comp. It has turned out to be a good move.

Whilst Oakleigh is in an area where there is a lot of other clubs, I don't think any of them would be worried by an extra team in Div 2


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T
Years ago
14:46 1 Oct 14

Reply #496090

re: Big V 2015

Completely different if there is already a team in place IMO


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Anonymous
Years ago
15:13 1 Oct 14

Reply #496100

re: Big V 2015

089

I think you will find although a block of players whent to MCK they essentially moved the Div 2 side into State Champ. A youth league side was formed for the younger players to play in.

I am assuming most of these girls have either been told or feel they wont be able to play at the State Champ level so looking elsewhere to play might be the only move.

Back to the original point, if a new club is having a meeting for EOI weeks after the date of which new teams are supposed to have been submitted to the BIG V for consideration....I would then say they should wait another year before entry as they are clearly not ready to go right now. What if those players decide to stay put at MCK? Oakleigh then feilds a team with what????


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Happy Days
Years ago
08:35 2 Oct 14

Reply #496191

re: Big V 2015

Saw Stewart Baird signed as senior coach for 5 years with Casey.Be interesting to see if both parties can last the distance.


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Billy Hoyle
Years ago
12:06 2 Oct 14

Reply #496208

re: Big V 2015

Are they looking to make the jump to D1 ?
Heard they were looking at it....


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Anonymous
Years ago
12:32 2 Oct 14

Reply #496212

re: Big V 2015

You`d expect after finishing runners up and then Adding Lester that would be the case. If not they are not really challenging themselves.


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Anonymous
Years ago
08:34 5 Oct 14

Reply #496521

re: Big V 2015

With that team they should be goin SCM!


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Anonymous
Years ago
08:59 5 Oct 14

Reply #496524

re: Big V 2015

No Men's trials at casey this year.

interesting decision to sign senior coach for 5 years, would like to deliver a few titles in that time


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Billy Hoyle
Years ago
09:15 5 Oct 14

Reply #496527

re: Big V 2015

SCM ?? One player doesn't catapult a team from D2 to State Champ...
If they had some more signings perhaps...


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Anonymous
Years ago
09:17 5 Oct 14

Reply #496528

re: Big V 2015

Agree Billy, big jump but didn't Corio Bay go from Country Basketball League into Champ Men Big V and win it?


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Billy Hoyle
Years ago
11:20 5 Oct 14

Reply #496533

re: Big V 2015

They did (well not the first year). But they also had some other very decent talent on that roster (hicks, reardon, Hutchison. Osborne etc) as well as import Eric Williams.


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Anonymous
Years ago
10:33 6 Oct 14

Reply #496622

re: Big V 2015

There are another 5 or 6 players signed by Casey


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Billy Hoyle
Years ago
12:50 6 Oct 14

Reply #496631

re: Big V 2015

5 or 6, anonymous ? Got any names ? What happens to the local guys who were playing in 2014 ?
I applaud their ambition to better their program, I think all clubs should be aspiring doing so, but shouldn't it be done with a backbone of local talent ? The question has been asked on this forum before about recruiting a top level team and the sustainability questions that it raises...


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Anonymous
Years ago
13:28 6 Oct 14

Reply #496634

re: Big V 2015

5 or 6 players signed to Casey? Feel like naming them???? as last i herd it was pretty much same squad except for a few changes?


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Anonymous
Years ago
13:54 6 Oct 14

Reply #496637

re: Big V 2015

You can't compare Corio Bay with Casey. Casey are desperate and arrogant. Corio Bay are a classy operation.


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Anonymous
Years ago
17:36 6 Oct 14

Reply #496656

re: Big V 2015

A few changes- Lester Strong, Brent Hobba and Daren Best. Enough to make a bit of an improvement to a team that should have won D2 this year


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Ashke
Years ago
19:01 6 Oct 14

Reply #496669

re: Big V 2015

So what are the possible new entries in to Youth League Women's?


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Anonymous
Years ago
20:31 6 Oct 14

Reply #496686

re: Big V 2015

Darren best is playing at Chelsea this season, was named when the coach was announced!


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Billy Hoyle
Years ago
20:43 6 Oct 14

Reply #496690

re: Big V 2015

Bacchus Marsh, Sherbrooke, Mornington and Chelsea have all advertised EOI's for youth Women. Could perhaps see a shake up of the divisions?
So Hobba is leaving Dandenong ? But is the rest of the squad strong enough for Champ?


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Anonymous
Years ago
21:07 6 Oct 14

Reply #496694

re: Big V 2015

I would have though with witherdon, strong, best, hobba (if hobba and Best are coming across) that's a solid 4 throw in a few role players from last season. that's a quality side


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Ashke
Years ago
21:33 6 Oct 14

Reply #496697

re: Big V 2015

huh, interesting. Wouldn't Mornington and Chelsea be better off putting their "ok" youth players straight in to the senior teams? Not like they are state champ and the jump is a big one, their U18 girls programs are regional dwellers so maybe just stock up your D2 squad instead of entering a youth team which will be utterly horrible.


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Happy Days
Years ago
21:44 6 Oct 14

Reply #496700

re: Big V 2015

Budget cuts at Dandy so fringe players considering there options.


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Anonymous
Years ago
07:47 7 Oct 14

Reply #496718

re: Big V 2015

Ashke I think you'll find Mornington were runners up in VJL2 and Chelsea finished 9th in the same comp, Mornington also have an under 20's side so numbers and standard should be at a reasonable level. Besides isn't Youth League meant as a development league??


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Ashke
Years ago
09:15 7 Oct 14

Reply #496727

re: Big V 2015

Metro two in U18's is that same as regional in all other age groups, it is flat out horrible and you can't deny that. Yes youth league is all about development, but surely some form of standards must be kept/set?

Both those clubs would have gringe worthy girls programs, so why let them expand until they can fix up their junior program?

Southern Pen had their U18 VC bench players in Youth League this year, and they had to play some good hoops just to break even in the comp, those bench players would beat Mornington's senior team let alone their proposed youth league team.

So again I ask, why don't you just grab the one or two "ok" players and put them in the senior squad?


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Anonymous
Years ago
09:40 7 Oct 14

Reply #496731

re: Big V 2015

You will see the entry of a Youth league two in Womens as with the mens side of the Comp. Bachus Marsh are for Youth League Mens not womens. Warnambool and Mildura also keen to enter youth Sides.

Casey have applied for Div 1 not for State Championship, They want to chase a title first. I don`t think you can say they should have won it this year, plain and simple Shepparton out played them and were the much better team.


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Anonymous
Years ago
10:47 7 Oct 14

Reply #496739

re: Big V 2015

Shepparton totally out played Casey in the grand final series.

If they had of made free throws and got a few calls go their way in game 2 the margin would of been much greater.


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Billy Hoyle
Years ago
10:51 7 Oct 14

Reply #496740

re: Big V 2015

Anon.
The flyer on their website advertises tryouts for Youth Men AND Women.
Wether or not they're accepted is another matter, but it appears they intend to enter both.


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Anonymous
Years ago
11:40 7 Oct 14

Reply #496748

re: Big V 2015

Ashke, I think you will find the top u/18 Sthn Pen Girls were propping up the senior team.


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Ashke
Years ago
12:04 7 Oct 14

Reply #496750

re: Big V 2015

Yes i agree, they were however i was talking about youth league mate


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Ashke
Years ago
12:06 7 Oct 14

Reply #496751

re: Big V 2015

Their starting 5 were in the women's team, and their bench were youth league. Read what i wrote again mate


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Anonymous
Years ago
12:52 7 Oct 14

Reply #496758

re: Big V 2015

Ashke, better count again mate......2 in Youth League from the team that won the under 18 Vic Champs going by the website the 18's only had 8 players.


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Ashke
Years ago
13:20 7 Oct 14

Reply #496763

re: Big V 2015

Here we go, dealing with plebs again.... No point arguing with retards, but trust me that the large majority of youth league were their bench player OR bench player who quit playing because they were not happy with court time in U18's.


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VP
Years ago
13:32 7 Oct 14

Reply #496767

re: Big V 2015

Not sure if the League will accept more than one new team into 2015 D1M competition - I assume Craigieburn will be relegated after a very poor season and return to D2M.

I'd imagine Shepparton get first option into D1M but whether Casey would also be promoted is subject to League & Club approval.

I guess the League could expand D1M into two Divisions of 8 teams to make this work but then they would need to play 22 games for the season.


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Ashke
Years ago
13:38 7 Oct 14

Reply #496768

re: Big V 2015

I am hoping that Shepparton go up to D1, would be great to see them climb back up to their former glory days!


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Bear
Years ago
14:20 7 Oct 14

Reply #496773

re: Big V 2015

There are some decent young players out Shepparton way Ashke, not sure how strong the seniors will be as that will provide the backbone of the team if they go to D1, but I would also like to see them up there...


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Ashke
Years ago
14:23 7 Oct 14

Reply #496775

re: Big V 2015

@Bear, good call and if they could get a few of their seniors to come back to the club they would be more than competitive in D1.


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Solid Moves
Years ago
14:41 7 Oct 14

Reply #496776

re: Big V 2015

@Bear... Take it from someone who lives here. We've got a REALLY bright future.. whole D2 championship team could have played YL. Personally I hope they go up to div 1, but another year in D2 with our younger players getting heavy minutes over Summer in CBL would do wonders.

It's not a matter of getting guys to return. It's about developing the ones we have... A lot of the ones possible to get back are guards anyway and we have plenty of them so it's not a huge stress.


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Anonymous
Years ago
14:43 7 Oct 14

Reply #496777

re: Big V 2015

Casey will go up and so will Shepp.

youth League Two womens is being created so the above side your debating will all have a home.


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Anonymous
Years ago
14:51 7 Oct 14

Reply #496778

re: Big V 2015

@ Solid Moves last time I checked Bartlett wasn`t 23 or under so not sure how your boys are playing youth league ha ha. non the less they had a bloody good side and will do in D1 regardless.


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Anonymous
Years ago
16:58 7 Oct 14

Reply #496808

re: Big V 2015

Bartlett may not be around yet.....


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Anon
Years ago
17:16 7 Oct 14

Reply #496810

re: Big V 2015

Southern Peninsula women looking to go to State Championship.


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Anonymous
Years ago
17:37 7 Oct 14

Reply #496812

re: Big V 2015

Funny how Ashke turns to abuse when someone points out the facts.


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Anonymous
Years ago
17:42 7 Oct 14

Reply #496813

re: Big V 2015

Southern Peninsula women looking to go to State Championship.


Seriously!!!????? Think they need to be competitive in div1 first


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CHOOK
Years ago
18:01 7 Oct 14

Reply #496815

re: Big V 2015

Yeah I think you might find that it was more than just Bartlett that was too old for YL. Ian Wright is older than Bartlett and the Import wouldn't of been able to play YL either. However, they do have a very strong mix of young talent coming through none the less.

How will Shepparton's Women's team go this coming season? Last year their best player was Barton by a country mile and she is in year 12 this year, will she be moving on to Uni or going back to Bendigo now that her study isn't so full on?

The D1M competition was already chocoblock in 2014, surely there can't be too many additions to the comp without a few teams going down as well?

Facts mean that the statement is true, if you actually read what has been said then have a look back over the season, you will find that what Ashke is saying IS fact and that the rubbish Anon is going on about IS NOT fact.

What would one class as competitive? I thought Sth Pen did a reasonable job in D1W all things considered.


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Happy Days
Years ago
22:13 7 Oct 14

Reply #496848

re: Big V 2015

I expect with Gerard taking the role as coach of Sharks women we'll see a little less hype and alot more W's.


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Anonymous
Years ago
22:29 8 Oct 14

Reply #496970

re: Big V 2015

Sth Pen YLW only had 6 players most games. Program was a joke.


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Anonymous
Years ago
08:32 9 Oct 14

Reply #496990

re: Big V 2015

Not from Southern Pen, But just looked up the YLW league ladder. They finished one position below the eventual champions....Can`t have been that bad?


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Anonymous
Years ago
08:38 9 Oct 14

Reply #496992

re: Big V 2015

Have you seen the standard of ylw, it's worse than un18 div1 in VJBL in many cases,


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Anonymous
Years ago
09:25 9 Oct 14

Reply #496994

re: Big V 2015

Yes it would be because if you were playing and doing well in U18 VC you would expect that you would be playing in a senior side somewhere.

Womens basketball is a lot different to mens and should not be compared in the same way.


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Anonymous
Years ago
09:49 9 Oct 14

Reply #497000

re: Big V 2015

Anyone got an update on the new teams into BIG V for 2015?

Have heard the below confirmations so far

-Mornington and Chelsea into youth league womens with a Youth League 2 comp being made.

-Pakenham into D2 womens

-Collingwood into D2 Mens


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Anonymous
Years ago
10:02 9 Oct 14

Reply #497003

re: Big V 2015

Interesting move by Stingrays just up on social media:

Stingrays Basketball is excited to announce the appointment of Mark Leader as the new head coach of the Stingrays "Victorian State Championship" men's program.

Leader enters the Stingrays program with vast elite level basketball experience as a player and coach. After a 12 year NBL playing career that included an NBL championship in 1994 with the North Melbourne Giants, the US native turned his hand to coaching. Success followed Leader into coaching during his reigns as head coach of the Ballarat Miners and Geelong Supercats, achieving ABA championships at both programs.

Leader spoke of the Stingrays focus on success as a motivator in his decision to take over the each coach position of Stingrays basketball, “The culture and attitude of the club made it easy for me. I have always been involved in winning cultures so jumping back into this with a club focused on success makes helps” said Leader.

The new coach also spoke about the kind of players that fit into his system, “Everyone needs to be versatile in today’s game. Guys who can play multiple positions and are multi-skilled, you have got to be able to play different spots” said Leader.

Leader replaces long-term Stingrays head coach Dan Riches at the helm with Riches moving to the role of 'General Manager of Stingrays Basketball’ after 5 years with the men’s team. The move was welcomed by Riches, “The extensive review of our operations revealed some areas we believed could be better managed to improve our overall product and service to the community”. “We are a determined and focus organisation and we felt it was time to make a change to best place us in a position to improve” said Riches.

Riches spoke of the motivation to appoint Mark leader as the new head coach. “Mark and our club have some clear synergies. He was the guy we wanted and we went after him”. “He is a high character person with proven success at this level over a long period of time. Without advertising the job we did still receive strong interest from coaches across the leagues wanting to apply which is flattering for a club this young” said Riches.

Riches new role also includes involvement in the senior team operations, “My role involves elevating the external pressures for the coaches to best enable them to just coach. I will manage the playing list and recruitment areas and be a strong support to the coaching staff as they need it” said Riches.

The team will begin the process of reviewing and building the playing list as preparations for the 2015 pre-season get underway.

Stay tuned to the clubs social media outlets for the latest updates as the happen.

http://www.foxsportspulse.com/assoc_page.cgi?client=1-7333-0-0-0&&news_task=DETAIL&articleID=31780579


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Anonymous
Years ago
10:22 9 Oct 14

Reply #497005

re: Big V 2015

Thought all the people "in the know" and the experts had riches at Hawthorn ha ha


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Anonymous
Years ago
10:44 9 Oct 14

Reply #497008

re: Big V 2015

I think those delegates who attend the AGM next month need to be wary of accepting too many new clubs to the BigV next year (especially those with only 1 team).

Resources and referees are stretched as it is- and this will only get worse with more teams and more venues operating games every weekend.


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Ashke
Years ago
10:53 9 Oct 14

Reply #497010

re: Big V 2015

A lot of agendas and rants going on here, and not a lot of actual fact or intelligence. Why is it a great concern if a YL team plays with 6 or 7? You honestly don't need anymore than that at YL1, YL Champ might be a little more demanding however YL1 & now YL2 certainly is not.

If the Southern Pen YL program was a joke, what are your highly regarded thoughts on the teams that finished below them? What are your thoughts on the players who played YL to gain much needed experience to then go on and win the National Classic and VC title with their U18 team??? No doubt you have thought of these answers whilst living in your grandmas basement playing Sim City.

Yes U18 VC (girls) is stronger than YL, whats your point? Nothing new there, U18 VC top 4 teams would beat the large majority of D1 women's team, but again, nothing new there.

Yes the jump from juniors to seniors in the mens is hugely different than that of the women's side of things, again, nothing new there. Solid U18 VC girls would easily slot in to Champ or D1 teams, where on the boys side of things you might find it a lot tougher to do the same.


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Bear
Years ago
12:34 9 Oct 14

Reply #497023

re: Big V 2015

@Ashke, playing SIM City in grandma's basement, classic pisser mate...

Great news for Stingray program, every qualified and experience basketball person they can add to their program is a bonus for their growth and development I believe!


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Anonymous
Years ago
13:45 9 Oct 14

Reply #497054

re: Big V 2015

Massive get by Stingrays.


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bball4all
Years ago
16:05 9 Oct 14

Reply #497096

re: Big V 2015

Saw via Keilor Thunder's facebook that they have been accepted into VYC men and Div 1 Men.
The youth is completely understandable but struggling to see how a team that snuck into 4th place and swept in the first round of finals can be promoted into D1


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Anonymous
Years ago
16:31 9 Oct 14

Reply #497102

re: Big V 2015

Keilor have players coming back plus have picked up the import from Oakleigh who torched the league all year long.


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bball4all
Years ago
18:43 9 Oct 14

Reply #497116

re: Big V 2015

Ahh they snatched up Kaban,
Good get by them!


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Anonymous
Years ago
20:42 9 Oct 14

Reply #497135

re: Big V 2015

keilor would want to get a coach who has some idea if they will be playing div 1


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Anonymous
Years ago
20:46 9 Oct 14

Reply #497136

re: Big V 2015

It says on the facebook page that they have already been accepted to div 1. If that's the case who are the other teams that have come up or dropped down from all divisions. If it's set in stone why hasn't the big v announced the format for each division and which teams are where. It seems every year for some reason the big v release the format and teams after all try outs have been conducted. It would be good to know early to start planning things as a club.


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VP
Years ago
21:25 9 Oct 14

Reply #497143

re: Big V 2015

Nothing is approved until the Big V AGM which I believe is the 15th Nov.

What Keilor have probably received is confirmation their applications will be recommended by Big V Executive be accepted by the Club Delegates at AGM.

Decisions have been made this week by Big V on recommending/rejecting all new entry applications & division change requests.


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Ashke
Years ago
21:41 9 Oct 14

Reply #497147

re: Big V 2015

VP you are wrong on the division change side of things, new teams yes, but teams simply moving divisions is a Big V call and does not go to the AGM.


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VP
Years ago
21:47 9 Oct 14

Reply #497150

re: Big V 2015

I thought the changes to Divisions gets presented to the Clubs at the Pre-AGM for discussion then voted at the AGM but you could well be right.


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Ashke
Years ago
22:55 9 Oct 14

Reply #497155

re: Big V 2015

Ahhh time will tell haha


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Anonymous
Years ago
08:33 10 Oct 14

Reply #497167

re: Big V 2015

Very rarely does a decision get changed at the AGM, the opposing clubs would have to sit there in front of everyone and say why they are opposed to it.

Easy to hide behind emails and phone calls but to do it in person is harder.

The proposed league structure goes out to the clubs in the weeks leading up to the AGM.

It doesn`t go out to the general public otherwise the whinging and whining would be exageratic 100 fold.


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Anonymous
Years ago
21:22 10 Oct 14

Reply #497329

re: Big V 2015

Sandringham to put in BIG V divisional sides like Geelong in 2015.


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@StingraysMedia
Years ago
15:30 16 Oct 14

Reply #498444

re: Big V 2015

Stingrays Basketball announces open try-outs for the 2015 State Championship Men's program.
Head Coach Mark Leader welcomes all interested players in the regional and metro areas wishing to advance their basketball in the Stingrays program to attend these open scrimmages.

Details:

Session 1: Friday 17th October, 6.30pm
Session 2: Friday 24th October, 6.30pm
Venue:
Geelong Basketball Netball Centre
1 Crown Street, South Geelong.

*Please bring a light & Dark reversible.

Full details here: http://www.foxsportspulse.com/assoc_page.cgi?client=1-7333-0-0-0&&news_task=DETAIL&articleID=31847957


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Happy Days
Two years ago
11:47 2 Jan 15

Reply #508151

re: Big V 2015

Southern Pens new import just boarded a plane to Aus and Darren Best got cut in England. Be interesting to see if he gets picked up by another club.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
12:38 2 Jan 15

Reply #508153

re: Big V 2015

Men's or women's import? Thought Allin was coming back.


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Happy Days
Two years ago
12:40 2 Jan 15

Reply #508155

re: Big V 2015

Yes Max Allin is back, had to make it a bit more exciting than it really was.Not much happening at this time of year :( Manny Hendrix is back in town saw him down the shops.


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Bear
Two years ago
16:58 2 Jan 15

Reply #508173

re: Big V 2015

Will be very interesting to see if the new coach Mark Leader will make changes at Corio Bay, the roster last year was pretty good but some have moved on, as they always do.

Imports will again be a key, last year's imports were very good, but didn't quite get it done when it counted. Good luck to Mark and the new team, I think they will be a very strong outfit again in Champs Div 2015...


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Billy Hoyle
Two years ago
21:00 2 Jan 15

Reply #508211

re: Big V 2015

What are your thoughts on hutchy returning to the Cats bear ?
Able replacement for Goodgame ? They playing finals again in 2015?


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mover shaker
Two years ago
08:13 3 Jan 15

Reply #508230

re: Big V 2015

Daz Best is straight back to Chelsea as he signed with them before he left for UK and is there together with Corey, Vlad and Branko, returning players from last year.


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Bear
Two years ago
10:03 3 Jan 15

Reply #508233

re: Big V 2015

Firstly Billy, Hutch is a great team man and top bloke, he was very valuable to the Stringrays in their initial entry into the Big V and helped them gain success. Now he can play a mentoring role and I think will certainly be an asset to the Supercats Big V D1 team.

He has gone on record, I think if they win it he will probably pull the pin an a long career, but with Hutchy you just never know. He loves the sport and is working hard at training to stay fit, along with other veterans like Keith Harrison and Seb Loader, they do bring quite a bit of experience.

Can the team play off in 2015, yes of course they can, like any team if they stay healthy and play smart they will be there IMHO...


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Big T
Two years ago
10:11 3 Jan 15

Reply #508234

re: Big V 2015

Has Bulleen done anything?


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Anonymous
Two years ago
12:35 3 Jan 15

Reply #508244

re: Big V 2015

good returning group for Chelsea but a lot of guys that like to shoot and not play defense


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Dbest
Two years ago
08:08 4 Jan 15

Reply #508288

re: Big V 2015

Happy days did you even read the article I chose to leave because I had been offered a job by other teams now not knowing who you are because you are not using your name unless you have played as a pro player traveld around the world had your education paid for at a USA college you don't know what your talking about.
I've been lucky enough to be paid to play basketball for a while now and will continue to do so until I chose not to. Other than that best of lucky to everyone in the bigv I will be back as soon as my season is over in the uk mid April some time.


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Billy Hoyle
Two years ago
09:38 4 Jan 15

Reply #508296

re: Big V 2015

No argument there about Hutchy, Bear. Top fella.
Good luck to the cats this year. Will be another great year in D1.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
10:17 4 Jan 15

Reply #508301

re: Big V 2015

@dbest I hear your about to get cut so maybe get your bags packed a little earlier


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mover shaker
Two years ago
13:35 4 Jan 15

Reply #508320

re: Big V 2015

If people are going to get up on this thread and start shredding other people I suggest do the same thing like Darren and put your name to your useless comments so we can see if they hold merit, otherwise shut the fuck up and go back to your pointless life.


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HO
Two years ago
14:57 4 Jan 15

Reply #508327

re: Big V 2015

We are all with you Mr Shaker.


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@StingraysMedia
Two years ago
13:12 23 Jan 15

Reply #511115

re: Big V 2015

Stingrays sign 6'9 US import Jordan Latham|
Fri 23rd January 2015 | @StingraysMedia

Stingrays Basketball is pleased to announce the signing of Jordan Latham as one of the clubs "State Championship" Men USA import players for 2015.

The 6’9 shot blocking centre will arrive in Geelong on the 13th February before the “State Championship” season opener on 14th March after a successful college career at the Layola University Maryland. Latham is eager to start his professional career and is exciting to sign with Stingrays Basketball, “I am really excited about heading to Australia, I hear it is beaufiful and the people are ward and friendly. The Stingrays organisation is a powerful and winning program and I am excited to be apart of this program” said Latham.

Latham was asked what the Stingrays fans can expect to see from him this season at Stingray Stadium, “I anticipate on showing my overall game and my passion for winning. In my college career I have been apart of winning teams and I plan on bringing the same winning mentality to the Stingrays” said Latham.

“The ways in which I will impact the team is by being the ultimate team player. I will do whatever it takes in order for my team to win. I will also bring a well-rounded defensive game to this team. Weather its getting a big stop on defense or making the right play in order for the team to win” said Latham.

Stingrays head coach Mark Leader was looking for some additional size to support Ma’alo Hicks and is pleased in signing the big centre from Baltimore, “The big appeal of Jordan was his length (7’2 wingspan). We expect him to be a shot changer and be a big help to Ma’alo in the paint this year” said Leader.

The Stingrays continue with their pre-season and will continue to announce signings for the 2015 list over the fortnight.

The first pre-season match is Friday 13th February at the Geelong Basketball Netball Centre, 6.30pm tip off vs a USA Touring team.

Full article at coriobaybasketball.com: http://www.foxsportspulse.com/assoc_page.cgi?client=1-7333-0-0-0&&news_task=DETAIL&articleID=33148008

https://www.facebook.com/coriobaybasketball


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Happy Days
Two years ago
17:54 7 Feb 15

Reply #513711

re: Big V 2015

Congrats to Ashke on his new album:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0oCCtZ_uNA


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Anonymous
Two years ago
09:30 8 Feb 15

Reply #513834

re: Big V 2015

@Happy Days, I was actually into the music, until the singing bit, then I felt slightly ill.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
09:31 8 Feb 15

Reply #513835

re: Big V 2015

Looks like the Stingrays are looking to buy another championship. How much money do they have over there?


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Happy Days
Two years ago
11:31 8 Feb 15

Reply #513854

re: Big V 2015

I thought we would expose Ashke singing abilities.Who won at Sth Pen yesterday.Couldnt drag myself off the beach....


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Anonymous
Two years ago
08:31 9 Feb 15

Reply #514020

re: Big V 2015

Keysborough Women over the YL Women.
Southern Pen women over Dandy VYCW.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
09:01 9 Feb 15

Reply #514026

re: Big V 2015

McKinnon 97 Def southern pen 81.


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Ashke
Two years ago
09:03 9 Feb 15

Reply #514028

re: Big V 2015

Happy Days, that youtube clip has made me want to change my name on here lol


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Anonymous
Two years ago
09:18 9 Feb 15

Reply #514035

re: Big V 2015

Altona 94-86 over mornington men


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Anonymous
Two years ago
09:40 9 Feb 15

Reply #514041

re: Big V 2015

Geelong D1 is a timebomb waiting to happen.
So many ego's needing massaging in that team, Harrison is actually going to play basketball again, Hutch, Seb and then the coach is a headcase. Great on paper, but they will implode again.


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sebbo25
Two years ago
12:22 9 Feb 15

Reply #514103

re: Big V 2015

thank-you for your kind words about my mental state and that of my team mates. Please do not shy away from enlightening us with further insights but please do put your name to it if you'd like to have more credibility than a troll...


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Anonymous
Two years ago
14:25 17 Feb 15

Reply #515928

re: Big V 2015

Hume city sign luke egan, mark berezdecky and kewal shiels


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Bear
Two years ago
14:28 17 Feb 15

Reply #515929

re: Big V 2015

That anon was obviously a troll Seb, has no idea what's really going on, I would ignore post 041 altogether.


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