Annon
Years ago

State League Basketball

Ok, another minor round season is over and the owners of the comp are now looking for " suggestions" to make changes

What changes?

What do they do for the comp other than scheduling and umpires?

Clubs play in sub standard stadiums, with incorrect lines on courts, in stadiums to be honest that are appalling and can't attract any new members in the middle of winter?

So where to from here

BSA has opened a suggestion box for 2015

Here are a couple

Spend some money......
Use the best stadiums .......
Bring in an audited salary cap, in fact, don't have one at all and make it even for all to compete
Move to a different format than the boring as bat shit 18 round season for the past 100 years
Scrap the pre season comp because no one takes it seriously
Move the Under 23 Summer to Saturday nights and allow 2/3 overage players in it....make it a premier comp for development of players, officials and score table and internally for marketing the game
Get together a Comp Committee to discuss the future of senior basketball in the state from the State League , Div 2 comp and Under 23's

If BSA wants some suggestions, take the game on and stop sitting back and letting things happen and having a chat over a few frothies at the Grand Final.

The players, coaches and clubs deserve some discussion in September/October for the game we all love .

If they don't do anything, go and knock on the door of Darryl Simmons and his group, get a team in SEABL and get some quality into the state in 2015

Ok, all the critics, have your say

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l  
Years ago

Play a rivalry round on a junior night - combine seniors and juniors - same clubs play same night

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.  
Years ago

CABL needs an injection of something to rebuild community interest.
Boti suggested some/all CABL be played mid-week to bring back a sense of the whole basketball community instead of such a focus on juniors.
Youth League has kept more boys playing but that is all it has done for .. how many years..? 5-6? and they play like juniors, (ask the coaches).
It has not helped raise the profile of the game, it has not helped juniors to be competitive when they then try to play with seniors. Make senior Div 2 a CABL Reserves-type status for the 'elite' YL players, and maybe play some games midweek to try to get a broader community support, when more teams, coaches, and supporters can mingle and gain a greater appreciation of all the clubs. (Home-away series does not do this).

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killer karl kox  
Years ago

put on meals, play CABL and junior rivalry night - would be huge

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Anonymous  
Years ago

yeah don't worry about how you do that just do it.

The proposals in here are so ill prepared its embarrassing.

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Annon  
Years ago

So, what are you proposing, just to sit an complain? Write what you would like to see, we can compile something and then put it into the Suggestion Box

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Annon  
Years ago

So, what are you proposing, just to sit an complain? Write what you would like to see, we can compile something and then put it into the Suggestion Box

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l  
Years ago

Not that hard to figure out - south v southern on a Friday rivalry night, cabl women 6.30 and men at 8.30 juniors play usual schedule on other 3 courts. Same at wayvile for ville v sturt, port for west and woodies . Bars open, clubs make an extra effort for a BBQ / meals that night.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

And the CABL players and coaches who also coach juniors how would they do both?

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l  
Years ago

Just needs cabl and junior programs to match up - could be done twice a season on rivalry rounds. So if Norwood and north play at mars the first time - div 1 juniors play courts 2 and 3. On the return at hillcrest cabl plays court 1 and only 1 court of div 1 juniors on court 2. They could play a catch up round with any other teams that may be displaced (I.e. court 3 div 2_3 games from wayville ) or any extra div 1 games from 2 court stadiums - marion St Clair hill rest etc all play somewhere else the same night,

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Jack Toft  
Years ago

There is a case for something like country footy/netball linking juniors and seniors.

Maybe one court for men, other for women. Start off with the U18's, then U23's, reserves, then A grade. Just a thought......

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l  
Years ago

Just get an assistant that night - benefits will over ride the outlay,

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Plenty of extra catch up games for juniors if you did that

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l  
Years ago

There is always catch up rounds at some stage - so instead of 2 games of catch up on a Sunday there is 4 - if a team that is coached by a cabl player / coach they can apply to play the catch up round - if the circumstances are that dire and no assistant exists.

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l  
Years ago

Or if a cabl coach has cabl 8.30 give their div 1 u18s a 6.30 game - finish by 8 coach cabl at 8.30

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Just what basketball families and volunteers need - more catch ups games!

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Then the U12s can play at 945pm instead of the U18s.

Sounds like you all have thought this through in great detail!

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l  
Years ago

No different from catch up games cause a team has several state players. Only age grade it may affect is u18s . The club identity / bonding / support / financial benefits easily outweigh the offsets here. Imagine 8 u12 families staying for supper, and providing a cheer squad for your abl team - very morale boosting having 50-70 in the stands extra - juniors can look up to senior role models, fund raisers / bar / canteen make $ - interaction priceless and it promotes rivalry rounds at an unprecedented level. If say centrals have 4 u18s in cabl - the u18s would be rescheduled. If west have an u18 on the bench for cabl - maybe they pick what they want to play or ask for reschedule.

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l  
Years ago

Of course u12s don't get a game that late - Debbie downer

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l  
Years ago

Reschedule the u18s then

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l  
Years ago

Maybe only the clubs that can get their act together do this then? And the critics can still do the same old.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Won't work and thankfully will never happen.

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cat  
Years ago

Clubs get their act together?

Its BSA that will have to schedule and allow any this to happen

good luck with that..

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Baller#3  
Years ago

I'm all for the football styled format. Think of the greater number of people that would be more likely to stick around and watch the 1s. Could quite easily go from 16s to abl through a day. 10 hours of games. 10am, 12, 2, 4, 6 or there abouts. Make reserves higher than 23s so 23s would be more of a mix between current 23s 2s and and the lower 1s. Reserves should be the best in the club who aren't in abl.

Woman's could be played on the opposite venue or on the second court?

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mario milano  
Years ago

now we are talking - doesn't have to be every week - but just try something like that once a season.


say rivalry sunday -

2pm - u16s
3pm - u14s
4.15 - u12s
6 - CABL women
8- CABL men

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haystacks calhoun  
Years ago

or south v southern at morphett vale on a friday night

main court 6.30 CABL women / men then 8.30

u12,14 and 16s all play usual time and maybe reschedule u18s if they are involved with CABL.

issues to deal with -

selling 20 light beers instead of 6, making 40 hotdogs instead of 8, CABl teams playing in front of 40 juniors and families instead of 4. What to do with the extra 0 on the end of the nights takings. CABL players maybe having to sign a basketball. What if the newbies like it and come back another week !!

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haystacks calhoun  
Years ago

and of course the issue of people identifying with their senior programme and maybe, just maybe getting some club loyalty and chemistry.

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Baller#3  
Years ago

Being from the country I see the country footy teams making a mint on game day. It's because of the structure that makes it feel like one club, everyone sticks around to watch the a grade and turns up early to watch the game before theirs. district basketball to me feels like a lot of segregation, how many juniors would be able to name their cabl team, let alone how many have watched a game? I think making a full day of it like the footy would be the way to go, crowd numbers are guaranteed to boost and sales of everything along with it. If I was playing the same day I would definitely stick around each week.

Court 1: men's division 1s 16s, 18s, 23s, reserves, abl
Court 2: men's division 2s 16s, 18s, 23s.

Woman's play opposite stadium. This gives stadiums a fuller stadium weekly instead of every second week aswell.

Other option would be

Court 1: men's div 1 16s, 18s, 23s, reserves, woman's abl, abl
Court 2: woman's div 1 16, 18s, 23s, reserves.

Division 2 men's and woman's play opposite stadium?

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bender  
Years ago

What about junior curtain raisers. Eg under 14 div 1 girls at 5 then aba women, then under 14 boys at 730 then aba men. Also have junior div 2/3s on other courts so they can be involved as well. I mean what's the point playing junior games at the same time as aba when you want to attract the kids to watch them. This way the kids get to play in front of an atmosphere, the rest of the club get to know them and cheer them on and the kids can stay on and cheer the seniors on. And rotate the age groups each week, u14 the 16s etc. It would also clear up some times on Friday nite so teams won't be playing 945 games at Morphett Vale.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

what about the fact that most under 23's play cabl

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Anonymous  
Years ago

As a player I would love to see more games being played, 27 game season would be ideal. Double headers with a Friday night/ Sunday arvo game, can run this on the weeks where the juniors aren't playing, school holiday weekends etc.

Marketing of the games/league/players needs to happen more from both a club level. See if you can get Boti involved as 'Media Relations Manager' then approach Adelaide Uni/Uni SA journalism professors to encourage students to have their practical experience with an award winning journo. Could have 5 cadets, one to work each game. Write a game preview, an article on a main player/story for the game and then review after. Have these uploaded to a NEW website, with game reviews up at least by Sunday nights. Use social media to drum up some interest, videos, interviews etc. Get the name right and market accordingly. People still call it ABA!

Clean up the officiating- the consistency just isn't there. What happened to the points of emphasis after round 4?


Look at moving the reserves comp to Wednesday nights, allowing teams to train Mon/Thurs with YL and reserves games Tues/Wed.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Dumb ideas with no thought. Then sound stupider when trying to justify it...

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haystacks calhoun  
Years ago

troll away mate your only jealous you didnt think of it first

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Interestingly it was Boti who championed the mid week change to weekends many years back when he was working for BASA.

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Who Me  
Years ago

I don't mind some of these ideas, I do recall putting forward having Men's and Women's play Home and Away a few years ago, but the big issue was Volunteers.
It's hard enough getting Volunteers (at most clubs), for 9 nights a season, never mind about needing them 27 nights a year (or even 18).

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Baller#3  
Years ago

Lots of footy teams charge an extra 50 dollars that is refundable upon completing canteen duty etc. this could be used for volunteers for this too?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Agree with moving reserves and YL to Tues/Wed, allowing for training Mon/Thurs. Imagine being a junior training and having YL/reserves on the same night, go and watch before or after training and let you know where to aspire to?

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cat  
Years ago

BSA won't listen on the obvious change for Reserves from Monday to Wednesday

apparently no venue is free on Wednesday nights

Social ball has priority

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Cat,

This change is a must - it is destroying the competition now that YL has been introduced.

We talk about getting greater exposure to games but quite frankly most stadiums cant handle extra spectators - Marion, Hillcrest, ST Clairs, Port Adelaide maybe, and perhaps MorphettVale don't have any real ability to handle more than what they are getting now!

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cat  
Years ago

frankly yapping on here about it is not going to achieve anything..

you need to protest to your Club Exec as loudly as possible

then demand they protest as loudly as possible to Mark Hubbard

believe me, Club Presidents have already demanded this happen and been stonewalled by the BSA CEO

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