LV
Years ago

Melb United early season preview

Just watching the Melb vs UCLA pre season game. I'll put this out there before I get a good look at any of the newbies.

What I like/Strengths

1. Balance. For the first time in many years, Melbourne United/Tigers appear to have a fairly well balanced line up. This has been the bane of the existence of Melbourne bball fans since time immemorial. Going back many years, we had the "Barlow at point" experiment, we had the “Tragardh at small forward” experiment. We had the small forward season with Rush, Greer, Walker, Odigie all battling for minutes. We had the donut year with Kickert trying to play Centre. Then, finally, we had last year- with so many 3 point shooters but Warrick's isolation in the low post was the only real alternative to the 3 point game (Although I believe Demopoulos’ offensive schemes contributed to this, as did the make up of the actual roster), and rebounding was a huge problem.

A run down of the roster shows the balance in skillsets at Demopoulos disposal this season:

Point guard- The offense starts here. Two pass first point guards who don’t need to score to have a real impact on the result. You have two guys who, between them have led the NBL in assists for the past 5 seasons. (Tomlinson having led the league in 2014 while Jackson was absent from the NBL, and Jackson the other 4 years). Neither are particularly good 3 point shooters but both can hit the wide open looks. Jackson does a bit of everything.

Shooting Guard- Two guys who can flat out score. Goulding, one of the best scorers in the NBL and Ramone Moore, a combo guard who is 27 years old and has consistently put up big numbers in Europe in the past few years in Hungary, Ukraine and notably last season, Lithuania- a quality league where he averaged 14.5ppg.

Small Forward- Blanchfield and Barlow- Two good 3 point shooters, who are long, active defenders on the perimeter. Similar players, I expect they will be 3 and D guys- taking a lot of 3’s off Jackson’s penetration or on the fourth or fifth pass of the offense if the main go to guys haven’t scored yet.

Big Men- the lynchpin here is Andersen, who I expect will star in the NBL. Equally comfortable posting up and putting up fade aways and faking out the defender, as he is knocking down mid range jumpers and threes. Tai Wesley is a low post specialist who can hit the open jumpers. Majok and Williams will do most of their finishing at the hoop. Majok led the NBL in per minute rebounds last season, and the scouting report on Williams is that he’s energetic and a hard hitting rebounder. Kickert’s gone and been replaced by Andersen and Wesley- both decent rebounders as well. So hopefully no one will bully United on the boards like Vukona and NZ did in the semi-final last season.

2. Depth. Who will come off the bench? I assume Williams, Wesley, Barlow, Moore and Tomlinson. That’s just ridiculous.

3. Talent. On paper, there’s a lot to work with!

4. Winning and leadership. Jackson and Wesley come from a very successful NZ team. Andersen has won titles everywhere he’s gone, including 3 in the Euroleague. Kickert was a whinger with a questionable temperament under pressure- I suspect that despite his obvious talent, many Melbourne fans aren’t too disappointed in his departure since the team didn’t quite achieve what we expected in the two years when he was a key part of things. Jackson is a tenacious competitor who can step up in the big games (As UTD fans were reminded in the Semi Final) and Andersen seems like a quiet guy who leads by example and his record shows that he simply gets the job done time and time again.

5. Experience. In a revamped NBL with record numbers of new imports, as well as young locals like Drmic and Deng, there are so many 23 year olds with limited experience in the cut throat world of professional basketball. Players might look impressive and show their talent in college and the D League, but how will that translate into a league full of well organised teams like the ever improving NBL? You never know. In contrast, United has the oldest and most experienced roster in the league. They’ve all been there and done that. Looking at United’s additions: Moore has played all over Europe, David Andersen’s done it all in a 15 year career, Wesley played in Netherlands before a couple of successful seasons with NZ. Jackson and Barlow we’re all familiar with. These guys are seasoned professionals (Williams being the only exception).

Questions/Weaknesses:

1. Rim protection. No noted shot blockers. There’s only one player over 6 foot 9 being David Andersen and whilst he’s long, he’s not particularly physically imposing or athletic. How will they go defending Jawai, Maric, Ogilvy, Egwu around the hoop? Majok battles hard and competes, but can Williams be effective in backing him up here?

2. Demopoulos has a new team this year, led by Jackson who’s nothing like Holt. One criticism last year was the repetitiveness and lack of variety in the offensive sets. Teams seemed to figure UTD out as the season went on, and they were all too reliant on the 3 point shot. Can he effectively adjust his schemes to accommodate this new roster? Does Demopoulos have the wares to outwit proven championship coaches like Gleeson, Lemanis, Beveridge in a playoff series? This isn’t just a question for UTD- I expect Sydney and NZ to also do well- two other teams with experienced, talented rosters but inexperienced coaches running the show.

The Franchise Player:
- David Andersen. Very few NBL players have ever possessed a resume comparable to his. An international superstar. As noted, can score from anywhere. Will spread the floor- Majok and Williams don’t have much range, and Wesley does his best work down low- so Andersen’s jump shooting is a vital cog in this wheel. I suspect Moore will be a capable backup for Jackson or Goulding, should they get injured but I think Andersen is the most important individual on the roster.

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Isaac  
Years ago

Any new guys suit in the pre-season game?

I think you underrate Kickert, but they've covered about as well as they could with Andersen and Wesley.

Jackson is the one who will turn the team around. Big coup.

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LV  
Years ago

Just watched the first quarter.

Barlow looks like the same old Barlow- he'll be dangerous from deep again this season. Defenses will have to respect that and it will spread the floor.

Devin Williams is playing. He seems like he'll be an energy/hustle guy. A bit like Dave Gruber used to be. Those guys can definitely play a role, and he might be a good fit alongside the finesse and jump shooting of Andersen.

Moore and Jackson not playing. Andersen and Goulding likewise.

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LV  
Years ago

When I say Andersen is the franchise player, I mean the guy who is the most important within the structure of this team, not necessarily the best individual player (although he probably is that too).

Having read Moore's statlines and seen some highlights, the guy clearly has good handles, and it would appear he can run the point (averaged 4.5 assists in one of his seasons). So if Jackson were to miss some time, we'd be in good shape still with a back court of Moore, Goulding and Tomlinson.

But front court wise- we have two guys who are very limited offensively in Majok and Williams. Andersen is really needed because he brings something else to the table.

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Je  
Years ago

The roster certainly has more balance and versatility than previous years.

But you're right that their lack of frontcourt length and athleticism (and thus rim protection) appears to be a shortcoming.

And it's not just their ability to defend the paint. Pretty much every other team has, or has signed, a big who has length and shot-blocking ability. How will the likes of Andersen, Majok, Wesley and Williams fare on offense against McKay, Deng, Jacobsen, Egwu, Holyfield, Ogilvy, Khazzouh, Pledger, Jervis?

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LV  
Years ago

"Questionable temperament under pressure" may have been a harsh way of putting it, but Kickert did complain to the refs a little bit too regularly. And just seemed to have a lot to say to the refs and his teammates, and from the outside it wasn't always clear whether it was constructive or not. Looking at others who appear to be on court leaders, like D-Mac back in the day, they seemed to have a presence about them. I’m not sure if Kickert had genuine presence or just liked to talk it up.

I guess my opinion of him is soured by 2014-15 where the team under achieved, and 2015/16 when a minor premiership disappeared before our eyes in a damning semi final loss, and a part of the reason was Kickert not getting his hands dirty in the paint as Vukona ran rampant inside.


Je, I guess we’ll see. Wesley is undersized but is very crafty, so hopefully he can continue to be effective down low in a league that has become taller and longer. Andersen I have no doubt can shake and bake his way to some fall away jumpers down low, but if Majok and Williams camp on the baselines this might force Andersen out to mid range. It would be a concern if the team becomes overly reliant on the jumpshot, but this isn’t *as much* of an issue if we can be competitive enough on the rebounds to ensure we get enough possession - if we can be competitive on the boards and control possession, we won’t necessarily have to rely on a sweet shooting night to get the win.

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LV  
Years ago

Oh, and Jackson's penetration will add another dimension to the team as well.

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AngusH  
Years ago

Until Jackson caught fire from 3 in the playoffs, he was really underwhelming for me last season, and real turnover prone at times too. I'm interested to see how he does this year in a different system, and how much of his struggles were related to the larger 'Breakers issues'.

A strong backcourt on paper. I don't know if Andersen is going to be a star, but he's a very skilled guy who is probably going to have to put up decent scoring totals to balance the lineup. He strikes me more as a guy who will do a little bit of everything well rather than dominate any particular category at this stage of his career, but we'll see.

I think the 3/4 spot is potentially the weakness here. Tai is as bad on D as he is good on O, and Blanchfield was Mr. Invisible for most of last season. Barlow is the X-Factor if he can regain form from a few years ago.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Tai provides great offense at both ends of the floor.

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_Strungout_  
Years ago

^ have an upvote #597824 :-)

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paul  
Years ago

Jackson had a horror patch in the middle of last season but his start and finish were at his usual standard. With all the passing targets he has this year it will be hard for him not to be very effective.

And can we give the Wesley anon a ball please Isaac?!

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koberulz  
Years ago

Jackson had a horror patch in the middle of last season
Wasn't alone in that, either.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Thanks for the praise. I borrowed that line from Barkley though. Cracked me up.

Re. Jackson; thought he was a little slower than in previous seasons. It used to be, the only person who could stop him was himself, if he got a little out of control. It seemed a few guards could keep up with him last season.

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Cram  
Years ago

My preview for United this season:

Are they still Melbourne United?

Yes.

Then they can go to hell.

Yes I'm still bitter.

Go Sixers

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