Anonymous
Earlier this year

#41523

U19 Womens world cup

Only 5 or so days until womens u19 World Cup.

What are our chances of bringing home a medal again?

GEMS Team
5'3 A.Cubillo 99
5'5 M.Conti 99
5'6 M.Rocci 98
5'9 J.Shelley 00
6'0 K.Rowe 99
6'1 S.Simons 00
6'1 C.Bibby 98
6'2 A.Maley 98
6'3 R.Pizzey 99
6'3 Z.Aoksuo 98
6'4 E.Magbegor 99
6'4 L.Mcspadden 99

Some of the high calibre teams and best players.
USA-Hebard, Holmes, Dangerfield etc
Russia-Vadeeva, Musina, Kurilchuk etc
Spain-Ayuso, Ginzo, Diallo etc
France-Chatereau, Tabdi, Sissoko
Italy-Andre, Cubaj, Pinzan
Canada-Amihere, Jerome, Brown
China-Wang, Han, Li

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Anonymous
Earlier this year
09:10 16 Jul 17

Reply #639915

re: U19 Womens world cup

Have the best pool draw imaginable so should easily top it. Beat China overnight in the warm up tournament.

Outside chance at bronze maybe.


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Anonymous
Earlier this year
18:05 16 Jul 17

Reply #639941

re: U19 Womens world cup

USA, Russia look to be the biggest problems.

I'd say we are on par with Spain and France.

Canada and Italy are a small step behind.


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Anonymous
Earlier this year
19:08 16 Jul 17

Reply #639944

re: U19 Womens world cup

Are we able to find live stats or reports of any of the warm up games?


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Anonymous
Earlier this year
20:22 16 Jul 17

Reply #639948

re: U19 Womens world cup

Only for the other game Canada vs France


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Anonymous
Earlier this year
00:57 17 Jul 17

Reply #639961

re: U19 Womens world cup

Exhibition tournament so far

Australia beat China 64-51
Australia beat Canada 69-56


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Anonymous
Earlier this year
01:27 17 Jul 17

Reply #639962

re: U19 Womens world cup

http://www.basketball.ca/files/2017-07/boxscore2.jpg


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Anonymous
Earlier this year
02:44 17 Jul 17

Reply #639963

re: U19 Womens world cup

Point guards didn't do so well it looks like.

Magbegor looks to be the standout once again.


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Anonymous
Earlier this year
19:15 17 Jul 17

Reply #640035

re: U19 Womens world cup

Hungary who is in our group will have a much better squad than the qualifying team who finished 5th at euros last year.

Much tougher opponent than Mexico or Japan.


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Anonymous
Earlier this year
22:43 17 Jul 17

Reply #640053

re: U19 Womens world cup

Bibby shooting at 70% , I rebound less than Magbegor, less minutes too was more of a standout


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Anonymous
Earlier this year
22:50 17 Jul 17

Reply #640054

re: U19 Womens world cup

47 mins between Cubillo, Conti and Rocci and only 6 points, 4 asts, 3 rbds.


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Anonymous
Earlier this year
23:49 17 Jul 17

Reply #640058

re: U19 Womens world cup

Pity we had a couple of injuries and an omission.
Also would have had a different pg in that group.

Anyone know who was in the starting 5?


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Melb Fan
Earlier this year
09:20 18 Jul 17

Reply #640070

re: U19 Womens world cup

Going by the stats sheet, the 5 was Rocci-Shelley-Maley-Bibby-Magbegor.

It'll definitely be interesting to see where they end up finishing in the world cup given the hype around some of these players and the Horvat situation.


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Anonymous
Earlier this year
12:26 18 Jul 17

Reply #640088

re: U19 Womens world cup

Still can't believe Horvat is not there.
Also thought 1 of tessari or elsworthy would be a better fit at pg.

Not sold on Cubillo or Rocci as pgs.


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Anonymous
Earlier this year
22:12 18 Jul 17

Reply #640163

re: U19 Womens world cup

Let's just wish them luck and support them. Look forward to seeing how they go.


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Anonymous
Earlier this year
22:34 18 Jul 17

Reply #640165

re: U19 Womens world cup

Done well so far in the pre tournament.


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Anonymous
Earlier this year
15:40 19 Jul 17

Reply #640216

re: U19 Womens world cup

http://www.fiba.com/world/u19women/2017/Australia#|tab=roster


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Anonymous
Earlier this year
19:30 19 Jul 17

Reply #640257

re: U19 Womens world cup

USA, Spain, Russia look to be a step above us and we just lost to France in a warm up tournament.


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Anonymous
Earlier this year
09:57 20 Jul 17

Reply #640300

re: U19 Womens world cup

About right with this squad


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Anonymous
Earlier this year
22:23 20 Jul 17

Reply #640356

re: U19 Womens world cup

When are they going to start picking the best side available in these major tournaments?

Boomers, Opals, Gems, Emus and Crocs.

The only side that hasn't had many people question the roster is the sapphires.
And they won gold...
Not just the players but the coaching staff also is sometimes mind boggling.

Anyone else see this as an ongoing problem?


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Anonymous
Earlier this year
00:38 21 Jul 17

Reply #640361

re: U19 Womens world cup

BA blow


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Anonymous
Earlier this year
22:54 22 Jul 17

Reply #640528

re: U19 Womens world cup

Australia lose first game to Japan 61-66.

Clearly missing a coach and a few players.


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Anonymous
Earlier this year
23:27 22 Jul 17

Reply #640531

re: U19 Womens world cup

Number one player missing is Chantel Horvat !!

Shooting percentage wasnt that good
But this team should finished second now in there pool and just have a harder crossover.


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Anonymous
Earlier this year
23:42 22 Jul 17

Reply #640532

re: U19 Womens world cup

Shoulda been..
Veal-HC (been with 80% of the team for months and months)

Conti pg
Tessari pg
Rocci cg
Shelley cg
Simons sg/sf
Rowe sf
Horvat sf (starting)
Bibby pf (not sf)
Maley pf (not sf)
Aokuso pf/c
Magbegor c
Mcspadden c

Would have been chosen but N/A
(Simmons)
(Cochrane)


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Luuuc
Earlier this year
00:44 23 Jul 17

Reply #640535

re: U19 Womens world cup

Not a great start. Japan defeat the Gems 66-61
Boxscore


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Anonymous
Earlier this year
00:56 23 Jul 17

Reply #640536

re: U19 Womens world cup

All the guards were terrible. Give credit to the Japanese defense.

This is probably what will happen to the opals in the Asia cup.


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Anon
Earlier this year
01:25 23 Jul 17

Reply #640538

re: U19 Womens world cup

^ agree guards are a weak spot , but their best 3pt shooter (Shelley) sat for most of that game, and they shot 1/20 from the 3pt spot
Maley gets in the way of the bigger players rebounding, does the same at Dande, which is costly , looks good on her stat line but costly , and far too many poor judgement passes.
And a few very questionable calls towards then end of that game putting Japan at the line
How do you put a head coach in who barely wins at BigV level, Veal would have been a much smarter choice to replace Gorris.

Horvat would have been a good addition that's for sure

Be interesting to see how they go in the next game, hopefully some adjustments can be made


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Anonymous
Earlier this year
02:59 23 Jul 17

Reply #640539

re: U19 Womens world cup

I'm not sure we will beat Hungary...


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True
Earlier this year
04:15 23 Jul 17

Reply #640540

re: U19 Womens world cup

Two coaches who disempower players, going to be tough.


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Anonymous
Earlier this year
04:35 23 Jul 17

Reply #640541

re: U19 Womens world cup

Did goriss or veal suggest butler or is this a choice made by BA?

This team who plays together for years and trains full time could finish out of the top 8, maybe even top 10 in the tournament.


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True
Earlier this year
09:12 23 Jul 17

Reply #640545

re: U19 Womens world cup

I watched the game with the momentum going our way then a player makes a mistake and is taken off. Momentum lost.
Maybe coaches should be taken off. It happened too many times!!


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Anon
Earlier this year
09:23 23 Jul 17

Reply #640547

re: U19 Womens world cup

^ yes watched also the replay, coaching choices need to be questioned, with both Butker and McAughtry, neither are national standard coaches, let alone international, those constant changes never allowed the players to get into any rhythm.

Doesn't Jan Sterling pick the coaches?


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Anonymous
Earlier this year
09:52 23 Jul 17

Reply #640548

re: U19 Womens world cup

Other teams that I thought would be walkovers were quite good.
It's becoming a much more even competition.

And it won't be an easy worlds qualification at junior level with Japan, china, nz and Korea at asias. Plus all the middle eastern countries the males have to face now.


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Anonymous
Earlier this year
09:59 23 Jul 17

Reply #640549

re: U19 Womens world cup

We will beat Mexico. Hungary maybe not...


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Anonymous
Earlier this year
10:08 23 Jul 17

Reply #640550

re: U19 Womens world cup

You could tell the players had little connection with the coaching staff.
Looked exhausted too.. not all players were in shape.


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Anonymous
Earlier this year
10:22 23 Jul 17

Reply #640551

re: U19 Womens world cup

And some parent was telling anyone that would listen that this was best group of under 19 girls ever. Lol just a bit ahead of yourself mate


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True
Earlier this year
10:30 23 Jul 17

Reply #640552

re: U19 Womens world cup

The players are definitely good players but the coaches don't know them, and it's too late to learn now.


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Anonymous
Earlier this year
10:35 23 Jul 17

Reply #640553

re: U19 Womens world cup

How did the point guards preform


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Anonymous
Earlier this year
10:40 23 Jul 17

Reply #640554

re: U19 Womens world cup

Terrible. Couldn't penetrate, couldn't shoot.


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Anonymous
Earlier this year
10:46 23 Jul 17

Reply #640555

re: U19 Womens world cup

Conti 0pts 0/6 1rbd 2ast 0stl 19 mins
Cubillo 1pt 0/5 1rbd 3ast 1stl 16 mins
Rocci 6pts 3/8 4rbd 1ast 1stl 23 mins
Shelley 2pts 1/3 0 rbd 2ast 0stl 11 mins


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Anonymous
Earlier this year
10:49 23 Jul 17

Reply #640556

re: U19 Womens world cup

3 best performers were

Magbegor 21 pts 5 rbds 2asts 3blks
Bibby 10 pts 7rbds 1ast
Maley 4 pts 13 rbds 3asts


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Anonymous
Earlier this year
10:50 23 Jul 17

Reply #640557

re: U19 Womens world cup

Odd that they chose Rocci as captain. Thought it would be Bibby amongst that group.


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Anonymous
Earlier this year
10:55 23 Jul 17

Reply #640558

re: U19 Womens world cup

Let this be a lesson for future teams Aus teams qualifying through Asia, you need perimeter pressure don't just bulk up your front court and expect to win!


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Anon
Earlier this year
10:58 23 Jul 17

Reply #640560

re: U19 Womens world cup

not quite sure what the see in Rocci she never looks to be a leader on court, makes too many mistakes


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True
Earlier this year
11:40 23 Jul 17

Reply #640562

re: U19 Womens world cup

Jaz can shoot, and she has great crt vision, the guards did make some ordinary decisions.


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True
Earlier this year
12:23 23 Jul 17

Reply #640563

re: U19 Womens world cup

Jaz can shoot, and she has great crt vision, the guards did make some ordinary decisions.


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Anonymous
Earlier this year
12:25 23 Jul 17

Reply #640564

re: U19 Womens world cup

Rebounding doesn't appear to be a problem so hopefully they 'rebound' in the next game.

And without singling out any particular player, something that I can't quite get my head around is how we're developing guards at this level who still can't dribble with their non-dominant hand. It can really limit the offence, and makes it too predictable for defenders, when players are unable to break through any sort of defensive pressure on the perimeter.


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Anonymous
Earlier this year
12:45 23 Jul 17

Reply #640567

re: U19 Womens world cup

I was going to say the same thing.
We are so far behind other nations in our ball handling..

What do they do at the Coe?
I've noticed that alot of the kids training with Trevor in Victoria are getting good results.


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Anonymous
Earlier this year
12:49 23 Jul 17

Reply #640568

re: U19 Womens world cup

Hopefully when they pick the Asian u16 squads over the next 2 months that theyll remember to go with players with foot speed and endurance to combat those quick Japanese, Chinese and Koreans


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Anonymous
Earlier this year
13:46 23 Jul 17

Reply #640570

re: U19 Womens world cup

And some shooters would be good


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Beach
Earlier this year
14:40 23 Jul 17

Reply #640575

re: U19 Womens world cup

Why isnt Seebohm coaching these girls? I am genuinely interested why, and surprised he isnt. He did such a great job with the under 17's who won the world championships. I would have thought he would have been given the opportunity to go for the double championships with these girls at the under 19's level.


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Anonymous
Earlier this year
15:24 23 Jul 17

Reply #640579

re: U19 Womens world cup

That's right..
The coach should follow them up through the age groups like they do in some euro nations.


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Alpha
Earlier this year
15:32 23 Jul 17

Reply #640583

re: U19 Womens world cup

"alot of the kids training with Trevor in Victoria are getting good results."

Same ones that got beat by 40 in the SF at the nationals???

There are better kids not picked in any state at this level. Yeager for example is better ball handler and shooter than any of these guards, not sure why she was left behind.

Ezi was the only one looking really comfortable, hopefully others will rebound quickly.


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Anon
Earlier this year
16:45 23 Jul 17

Reply #640596

re: U19 Womens world cup

Gorris is the one who's had this group for longer, his opals commitment, though looks like he's been relegated to water boy , put him out of this team, though I think if the opals head coach made herself unavailable, his commitment to the un19s program should have remained for worlds


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Luuuc
Earlier this year
21:33 25 Jul 17

Reply #640898

re: U19 Womens world cup

Gems-Hungary has just tipped off

YouTube Livestream


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Anonymous
Earlier this year
22:29 25 Jul 17

Reply #640908

re: U19 Womens world cup

Watching the live stream I can't tell who is more divided: the coaches, the players or the supporters.

These Gems aren't Sapphires.


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Anonymous
Earlier this year
22:52 25 Jul 17

Reply #640915

re: U19 Womens world cup

The funky Italian music playing during the 3QT was legit.


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Anonymous
Earlier this year
22:53 25 Jul 17

Reply #640916

re: U19 Womens world cup

3QT break*


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Anonymous
Earlier this year
04:40 26 Jul 17

Reply #640936

re: U19 Womens world cup

The road to glory
R16-Latvia
1/4-Russia
1/2-Canada or China
Final-USA


If we had finished top of the group
R16-Korea
1/4-Spain
1/2-USA
Final-Russia


I say we beat Latvia if we shut down strautmane, but I think it's a hard task beating the starting 5 of Russia.
5'7 Zaviolova, 5'11 Kurilchuk, 6'2 Cheren, 6'4 Musina, 6'4 Vadeeva.

Likely fighting for 5-8 spot.
If we had topped group, we'd probably be playing for bronze.


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Anonymous
Earlier this year
17:44 26 Jul 17

Reply #641060

re: U19 Womens world cup

So Latvia game is 12:15am "tonight" - good luck Gems!


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Anonymous
Earlier this year
18:19 26 Jul 17

Reply #641068

re: U19 Womens world cup

Will be close.ll


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Anonymous
Earlier this year
19:17 26 Jul 17

Reply #641076

re: U19 Womens world cup

Looking like..

1/4
USA vs France
Spain vs Japan
China vs Canada
Australia vs Russia

1/2
USA vs Spain
Canada vs Russia

Bronze
Spain vs Canada

Gold/Silver
USA vs Russia


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Jayden K Smith
Earlier this year
01:35 27 Jul 17

Reply #641097

re: U19 Womens world cup

close game - Latvia only lost by 4 v Canada and 9 v France - so very close results for them.


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Anonymous
Earlier this year
03:56 27 Jul 17

Reply #641099

re: U19 Womens world cup

We are playing like utter garbage...

Ball hogs, horrible shot selection, no heart or hustle.
Hard to watch.

Play like this again and Russia will beat us by 50.


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Anonymous
Earlier this year
04:34 27 Jul 17

Reply #641100

re: U19 Womens world cup

Italy have a really bright future when you look at the young girls they have coming through.

6'2 Penna 95
6'1 Zandelsini 96
6'4 Andre 98
6'4 Cubaj 99
6'2 Madera 00
An about 4-5 quality guards.


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Anonymous
Earlier this year
07:03 27 Jul 17

Reply #641105

re: U19 Womens world cup

Italy? rofl


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Anonymous
Earlier this year
07:07 27 Jul 17

Reply #641106

re: U19 Womens world cup

I wrote a bright future..

Have you seen zandelisini play? The leading point scorer at eurobasket. Only 20y.o.


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Anonymous
Earlier this year
07:14 27 Jul 17

Reply #641108

re: U19 Womens world cup

Maybe we could offer them Conti & Canavan. Would be a terrible blow to the quality of federal politics in Australia, but I'm sure we could rebuild.


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Anonymous
Earlier this year
08:44 27 Jul 17

Reply #641110

re: U19 Womens world cup

I feel there offence doesn't allow them to break out of it and just play basketball like this group was good at in the past u17&u19 teams.

It will definitely be a tough one against Russia!


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Anonymous
Earlier this year
10:28 27 Jul 17

Reply #641130

re: U19 Womens world cup

https://www.sbnation.com/lookit/2017/7/25/16027840/russia-spain-u19-fiba-womens-wrong-hoop-basketball

Wow at the above, the mistake happens not even coming out of a timeout. These girls aren't too bright.


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Luuuc
Earlier this year
10:34 27 Jul 17

Reply #641133

re: U19 Womens world cup

Wow, that is bizarre.

I've seen that happen before out of a timeout, when the other team has intentionally set up their D the wrong way to deceive the team with the ball. But that one ... there's just no excuse!


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Luuuc
Earlier this year
10:49 27 Jul 17

Reply #641141

re: U19 Womens world cup


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Luuuc
Earlier this year
21:01 28 Jul 17

Reply #641386

re: U19 Womens world cup

Gems-Russia just tipped off


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Jayden K Smith
Earlier this year
21:14 28 Jul 17

Reply #641394

re: U19 Womens world cup

russia been in good form


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Anonymous
Earlier this year
21:23 28 Jul 17

Reply #641396

re: U19 Womens world cup

What happened to Rocci?


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Jayden K Smith
Earlier this year
21:42 28 Jul 17

Reply #641401

re: U19 Womens world cup

lot of pressure out there - who keeps composure will win


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Anonymous
Earlier this year
21:47 28 Jul 17

Reply #641402

re: U19 Womens world cup

vadeeva a on 3 fouls which is good.


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Anonymous
Earlier this year
21:49 28 Jul 17

Reply #641403

re: U19 Womens world cup

Musina 1/11
Kurilchuk 0/7

We can do this..


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Luuuc
Earlier this year
21:50 28 Jul 17

Reply #641404

re: U19 Womens world cup

1st Q: Gems 10, Russia 15
2nd Q: Gems 15, Russia 7
Gems shooting 23%, Russia just 16%
It ain't pretty. We're losing the boards. Don't think we can rely on them going 16% again in the 2nd half.


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Luuuc
Earlier this year
21:52 28 Jul 17

Reply #641406

re: U19 Womens world cup

Yeah an early 4th on Vadeeva would be bloody handy


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Anonymous
Earlier this year
21:55 28 Jul 17

Reply #641407

re: U19 Womens world cup

See the arm grab on Shelley.
Olynyk style arm wrench.


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Luuuc
Earlier this year
22:10 28 Jul 17

Reply #641409

re: U19 Womens world cup

Ezi subs out with her 3rd PF and Vadeeva is really going to work on us now


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Anonymous
Earlier this year
22:34 28 Jul 17

Reply #641412

re: U19 Womens world cup

I play for Conti, how about you?


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Luuuc
Earlier this year
22:51 28 Jul 17

Reply #641414

re: U19 Womens world cup

Wow ... what a finish. Came out of nowhere to tie it up, lost the lead, and then really should have taken it to OT.
Hard to win a game shooting < 30% from the field though


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Anonymous
Earlier this year
00:05 29 Jul 17

Reply #641423

re: U19 Womens world cup

I thought the game spoke volumes for most of the Aussie players. Their stat lines almost paint their future prospects at this level perfectly.


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Anonymous
Earlier this year
00:06 29 Jul 17

Reply #641424

re: U19 Womens world cup

Why do they never play with that much intensity at the beginning of the game?


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Anonymous
Earlier this year
00:12 29 Jul 17

Reply #641425

re: U19 Womens world cup

By the way, both teams shot as well as each other.


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Anonymous
Earlier this year
00:14 29 Jul 17

Reply #641426

re: U19 Womens world cup

Credit to them for coming back.

Lots of issues though. Maybe time to redesign how the COE moulds its players.


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Anonymous
Earlier this year
00:19 29 Jul 17

Reply #641431

re: U19 Womens world cup

You still got to question the roster...

Some non contributers there.


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Anonymous
Earlier this year
00:22 29 Jul 17

Reply #641432

re: U19 Womens world cup

Centre of Dourness


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Anonymous
Earlier this year
00:40 29 Jul 17

Reply #641433

re: U19 Womens world cup

3 years of training!

I would tell a highly rated prospect to seek other training providers.
Awesome experience I'm sure filled with lots of opportunities but it really doesn't improve your game to the level it should in that time frame.


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Anonymous
Earlier this year
01:07 29 Jul 17

Reply #641435

re: U19 Womens world cup

Australia vs china tomorrow.

If we win, we will finish 5-6th
If we lose, we will finish 7-8th


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Anonymous
Earlier this year
01:41 29 Jul 17

Reply #641436

re: U19 Womens world cup

On to 2019..

Oceania team + COE (next u19s)

Heal(COE)
Shelley(COE)
Goodchild
Dangelo
Simons(COE)
Clarke(COE)
Bourne(COE)
Hollingsworth(COE)
Cochrane

Only 3 spots up for grabs I reckon. (1 guard, 2 bigs)
Enormous amount of 00/01 talent available in the guard spots. Tough choice for the selectors.


Oceania
McDowell-white
Gould
Oliver
Puli
Rees

COE
Palmer
King-Hawea


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Anonymous
Earlier this year
06:05 29 Jul 17

Reply #641440

re: U19 Womens world cup

Need to pick players that always preform. Not
Players who someone thinks will be a star in the future.
Many good and better players missed out.


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Anonymous
Earlier this year
11:20 29 Jul 17

Reply #641453

re: U19 Womens world cup

"Need to pick players that always preform. Not
Players who someone thinks will be a star in the future."

Exactly right


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Anonymous
Earlier this year
12:31 29 Jul 17

Reply #641464

re: U19 Womens world cup

False - thanks dad


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Anon
Earlier this year
12:36 29 Jul 17

Reply #641466

re: U19 Womens world cup

Most are not people caked on their ability at the time of selection but by what their body type perceives they may become.

Personally I think they would be far better having extended camps through the year so that A/more players can get the opportunity to be seen, and B/ those who develop later are not left behind
It has always been that if you are at the AIS/CofE your an automatic inclusion into a national side even in senior teams, and more often than notbetter p,ayers who did not attend the institute are left behind purely because their name has never graced the roll call up there.

It would also allow these kids a life outside of basketball, much better educational opportunities and a greater balance in life.


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Anonymous
Earlier this year
12:51 29 Jul 17

Reply #641469

re: U19 Womens world cup

Would have been my personal choice...

Conti - not Coe
Tessari - not Coe
Rocci
Shelley
Yaeger - not Coe (Simmons if available)
Simons
Horvat - not Coe(ex)
Maley - not Coe(ex)
Bibby - not Coe(ex)
Aokuso
Magbegor
Mcspadden - not Coe(ex) (Cochrane if available)


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Anonymous
Earlier this year
12:51 29 Jul 17

Reply #641470

re: U19 Womens world cup

Sorry Bibby was never coe.


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Anonymous
Earlier this year
14:21 29 Jul 17

Reply #641475

re: U19 Womens world cup

Vadeeva took them to task at last U19s and seemingly there was no plan in place for this U19s. Poor coaching, poor selection, very poor execution.


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Anonymous
Earlier this year
14:28 29 Jul 17

Reply #641476

re: U19 Womens world cup

Yes, needed a fit Cochrane but not to be. Unfortunately Magbegor always fouls out against quality talls and no support from Oukuso or McSpadden.


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doggr
Earlier this year
20:15 29 Jul 17

Reply #641491

re: U19 Womens world cup

Horvat is smashing it in SEABL.


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Luuuc
Earlier this year
21:01 29 Jul 17

Reply #641495

re: U19 Womens world cup

Gems - China about to tip off

Bocxscore


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Anonymous
Earlier this year
21:42 29 Jul 17

Reply #641499

re: U19 Womens world cup

Magbegor is a super nice girl but she takes it onto the court with her.
Needs a little Agro.


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Luuuc
Earlier this year
22:44 29 Jul 17

Reply #641505

re: U19 Womens world cup

Gutsy win!


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Anonymous
Earlier this year
23:07 29 Jul 17

Reply #641507

re: U19 Womens world cup

Would have definitely made the final if we didn't change the coach so suddenly and the players. Even with players not available due to injury.


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Anonymous
Earlier this year
03:40 30 Jul 17

Reply #641563

re: U19 Womens world cup

Playoff against France for 5th place.

If we had beaten Japan in game one, we'd be in the semi final, and ultimately playing for a medal.

USA havent been all that great. Russia definitely have a shot at revenge.


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True
Earlier this year
07:17 30 Jul 17

Reply #641572

re: U19 Womens world cup

Anon makes great sense in that last post. Some players have a free ride while others have earned it. Same goes with the coaches, why do we not choose wisely?


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Anonymous
Earlier this year
07:25 30 Jul 17

Reply #641573

re: U19 Womens world cup

It's BA who ultimately makes the final decision.


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Anon
Earlier this year
07:54 30 Jul 17

Reply #641576

re: U19 Womens world cup

If they had played Shelley in that first game they probably wouldn't have lost, she's their best 3pt shooter by far, plus a good hustle defender, poor coaching decision cost them that game.

And if they had Horvat in that line up instead of Pizzey or Rowe, again would have been a bigger impact player, but once more poor coaching decisions.

They needed Gorris coaching not Butler and McAughtry( both worse than useless)

Lots of things that brought about this result, but the girls played hard and did the best they could

Let's hope they can finish with a win in this next game


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Anonymous
Earlier this year
08:18 30 Jul 17

Reply #641580

re: U19 Womens world cup

^
Right on the money.

If goriss's opals assistant position was so important, you think that BA would have at least gone with someone that knows the squad. Veal would have done a much better job imo. She's been with most of those players for yonks.


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Anonymous
Earlier this year
09:09 30 Jul 17

Reply #641584

re: U19 Womens world cup

What is the Dee Butler's coaching experience? Sits on the sideline like a netball coach.

Times outs instructions seems very poor as well.

Seems like a rookie coach?



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Anonymous
Earlier this year
09:10 30 Jul 17

Reply #641585

re: U19 Womens world cup

U20 ajc champion with victoria.
Big v scw diamond valley - 2nd last place.


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Anon
Earlier this year
11:23 30 Jul 17

Reply #641603

re: U19 Womens world cup

I wouldn't give her credit for un20AJC coach, I mean it's a crap comp, Vics always win, BigV SCW she's dismal as a coach, she's so far off national standard let alone international, and the same goes for McAughtry, two of the worst they could have chosen, only have to look at track record.
But hopefully the next coach appointed will be better


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Anonymous
Earlier this year
12:50 30 Jul 17

Reply #641621

re: U19 Womens world cup

"Lots of issues though. Maybe time to redesign how the COE moulds its players."

I agree ... the fact that on this squad the two most skilled and fundamentally sound players (arguably) didn't come from the CoE warrants a question.


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Anonymous
Earlier this year
13:11 30 Jul 17

Reply #641625

re: U19 Womens world cup

It's been that way for 10 years.
Look at who previously went to the COE and now at college,
There ball handling is terrible.
One skill that clearly isn't being taught a whole lot whilst there.

the best ball handlers from Aus in college never went to the COE.
the natural ability the players once had gets ruined by going there.


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LC
Earlier this year
14:17 30 Jul 17

Reply #641636

re: U19 Womens world cup

Selections and coaching appointments aside, this team has done very well and finishing 5th is just about right given the only two teams they have lost to were Japan and Russia, both whom made it through to the semis.

Magbegor and Shelley have been clearly the standouts from my perspective.


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Anonymous
Earlier this year
15:16 30 Jul 17

Reply #641640

re: U19 Womens world cup

I Disagree, we were better than Japan. If we had finished top of the group, we'd be playing for a medal and would have given the team sa a much greater test.


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Anonymous
Earlier this year
15:16 30 Jul 17

Reply #641641

re: U19 Womens world cup

USA team'


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Anonymous
Earlier this year
17:51 30 Jul 17

Reply #641655

re: U19 Womens world cup

"the best ball handlers from Aus in college never went to the COE."

+1,000,000


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Anonymous
Earlier this year
17:52 30 Jul 17

Reply #641656

re: U19 Womens world cup

"the best ball handlers from Aus in college never went to the COE."

+1,000,000


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Hogwash
Earlier this year
17:58 30 Jul 17

Reply #641657

re: U19 Womens world cup

Wow such a poor result ...where did the U19 previously finish?? It's pretty clear from the results our womes basketball program at all levels changes, has seen us go backward. Oh Jan and CEO what a monstrous stuff up you have done.


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Anonymous
Earlier this year
18:13 30 Jul 17

Reply #641664

re: U19 Womens world cup

BA = joke
Jan = joke
Centre of Dourness = joke plus wasting taxpayer dollars
Recent coaching appointments, present and past = joke


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Anonymous
Earlier this year
18:35 30 Jul 17

Reply #641669

re: U19 Womens world cup

Seriously people get a grip. Last year we won a World Championship and a heap of credit deservingly went to the COE program to get them ready. Yes this one didn't go as planned but how about we support the players, the coaches and the program instead of bagging them all the time


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James Harvey fan
Earlier this year
18:51 30 Jul 17

Reply #641670

re: U19 Womens world cup

I'm surprised Shannon Seebohm wasn't either part of the coaching staff for this squad or the u17s Oceania team. He has got some great results previously.


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Anon
Earlier this year
20:36 30 Jul 17

Reply #641686

re: U19 Womens world cup

Last year they may have won a gold medal at Un17s but that was assisted by the fact the USA put together THE worst and weakest team they have ever produced in any age group.

The very same main players from that UN17 team were in the current un19gems......

Think that says a lot really.


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Anonymous
Earlier this year
20:39 30 Jul 17

Reply #641687

re: U19 Womens world cup

I was disappointed in general given how much these time most of these girls spend together at COE. I was impressed when things got tough, so did Shelley, she raised the bar when needed.

Russia looked slick compared to our girls. Why? Too many girls sitting on the bench or not contributing, the more experienced girls like Horvat would have had a better impact on this tournament.


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James Harvey fan
Earlier this year
21:37 30 Jul 17

Reply #641698

re: U19 Womens world cup

Why wasn't Horvat picked??


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Luuuc
Earlier this year
01:13 31 Jul 17

Reply #641715

re: U19 Womens world cup

Gems lose in a 45-47 crudfest :(


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Anon
Earlier this year
01:23 31 Jul 17

Reply #641717

re: U19 Womens world cup

Their shooting percentage was terrible, a dismal 26%


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Anonymous
Earlier this year
04:54 31 Jul 17

Reply #641722

re: U19 Womens world cup

Finished 6th out of 16.
Going in I thought we would finish 3 or 4th.

The surprise packets have been Canada (3rd) and Japan (4th). credit to those programs.


We look quite good in the guard spots for next u19s 2019 but we don't have the same calibre of bigs in 2019. Cochrane and Bourne are the only 2 in the post that stand out.


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Anonymous
Earlier this year
05:50 31 Jul 17

Reply #641727

re: U19 Womens world cup

Russia have some real talent.
Will have an awesome senior team once again in a few years.


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Anonymous
Earlier this year
06:13 31 Jul 17

Reply #641728

re: U19 Womens world cup

Got revenge against the USA.


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Anonymous
Earlier this year
06:37 31 Jul 17

Reply #641729

re: U19 Womens world cup

U20-u19s you've got

Levchenko/Zaviolova
Kolovoskaya/Kurilchuk
Cheren/Ogun
Musina/Maiga
Vadeeva/Shabanova


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Anonymous
Earlier this year
09:11 31 Jul 17

Reply #641731

re: U19 Womens world cup

Plenty of good shooters were left at home.
Maybe a few wrong selections. Stars of the future not
Always the right selections


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Anonymous
Earlier this year
09:14 31 Jul 17

Reply #641732

re: U19 Womens world cup

You need to pick more guards and better shooters going through Asia now! It's not like the old Oceania half court slow down days


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Anonymous
Earlier this year
09:17 31 Jul 17

Reply #641733

re: U19 Womens world cup

Girls played well


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Anonymous
Earlier this year
09:32 31 Jul 17

Reply #641738

re: U19 Womens world cup

USA lost the final. Quick sack the coach, sack the CEO, sack Trump, sack everyone!!


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Anonymous
Earlier this year
09:37 31 Jul 17

Reply #641739

re: U19 Womens world cup

They will.

They lost last years u17s to us. never lost before at u17 level.
They lost the boys u19s to Canada a month ago.
Today they lost for the first time in 6 tournaments to Russia. Dating back to 2005.


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Anonymous
Earlier this year
10:51 31 Jul 17

Reply #641751

re: U19 Womens world cup

Our 2 best players Shelley and Magbegor played the entire 2nd half in the last game, am not surprised that they struggled to back up from that


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Anon
Earlier this year
12:28 31 Jul 17

Reply #641765

re: U19 Womens world cup

Actually Bibby had a better stat line than Shelley for the tournament, three best performers were Magbeor, Bibby and Shelley, their best rebounder though was Marley averaging 10.8 rebounds a game


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Anonymous
Earlier this year
12:45 31 Jul 17

Reply #641769

re: U19 Womens world cup

Stats don't tell the whole story


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Alpha
Earlier this year
14:00 31 Jul 17

Reply #641778

re: U19 Womens world cup

I thought they did well considering the selection options, not much the coaches can do when the pool of players is preselected, which happened in this case. Indeed we can debate why Horvat was not picked, but not sure she would make much of a difference as what she brings on is not what was missing - shooting and ball handling. I thought Yeager should have been part of this team.
I watched several games and was under impression that our guards were outmatched by opposition. They could not defend the post, which meant that the opposition created mismatches all the time. On the offensive end, their shooting was not consistent and one-directional penetration ie very rarely using a weak hand were very visible. I just could not see any improvements in our guards within a year, while it was obvious that Ezy and Shelley played at a different level.

Coaches Butler and McAughtry are not inexperienced, Butler was with the team 2 years ago when they won bronze, while McAughtry was part of the men's team when they won silver in the worlds. Not sure anyone with greater international experience (not that many) was available.

About CoE - I thought it was about creating future Boomers/Opals so plenty of time to develop many potential players (several from this group). However if the selection for U17 and U19 will be exclusively made from the same pool the results will not follow those of the senior groups. Most of these kids are selected based on their potential (or at least we think so) that requires lots of hard work to develop. Creating muscle memory required for shooting and ball handling takes time - years - so if they come at 17 or 18 with poor skills, this can't be fixed within a year or two.

The overall selection is flawed as it relies on main state competitions, some camps and nationals although many kids may miss for various reasons. One of good examples is Deng Adel who never attended any of state trials (actually he did once but declined in the end) because he or his parents could not afford it. A few years ago, nobody knew about Ezi as she played Metro 1, look at her now - a great story. IMO what needs to be done is better scouting - how much those employed within BA or any other association really know about talent in this country. How many of them turn up for the Sudanese tournament?
Many of these positions are paid by taxpayers so those at CoE or other associations funded by public money should justify this investment. If they don't want to do their job properly, maybe they are not right people for the job.


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Anonymous
Earlier this year
14:22 31 Jul 17

Reply #641781

re: U19 Womens world cup

Would have made a difference
Tessari at PG-leader
Yaeger at SG-creation + shooting
McLean at SG-penetration, defense, shooting
Horvat at SF/PF-slashing + physicality

Out
Cubillo-not a leader nor any offensive threat.
Rowe-defender only at sf (this age group)
Simons-perimeter shooter only when open.
Pizzey-defender only at pf (this age group)

Squad =
Tessari
Conti
Rocci
Shelley
Yaeger
Horvat
Maley
Bibby
Aokuso
Magbegor
Mcspadden


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Anonymous
Earlier this year
14:24 31 Jul 17

Reply #641782

re: U19 Womens world cup

Mclean'


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Anon
Earlier this year
15:53 31 Jul 17

Reply #641788

re: U19 Womens world cup

Her father probably wrote that


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BOB
Earlier this year
17:50 31 Jul 17

Reply #641801

re: U19 Womens world cup

Yaeger barely played at Oregon this year and is stuck behind one of the best freshman guards in the country. COE kids always had the edge on that pick.


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Anonymous
Earlier this year
17:53 31 Jul 17

Reply #641802

re: U19 Womens world cup

Of course coe kids are guaranteed.


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Anonymous
Earlier this year
17:56 31 Jul 17

Reply #641803

re: U19 Womens world cup

Another case of players failing to make enough buckets


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Anonymous
Earlier this year
19:00 31 Jul 17

Reply #641812

re: U19 Womens world cup

Alpha above, thanks, you wrote most of what I wanted to write and saved me time.

Ball handling is at the foundation of every other skill..good handling frees the mind leads to better vision, passing (a very underrated skill) and of course shooting. It has to be learned at early ages and supported by mental qualities (thats god given + experience) to use it effectively so you don't end up a Harlem Globetrotter. Reason this country is having a shortage of elite PG s both men and women is the lack of emphasis on individual skills in junior club programs. COE is too late for it.


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Anonymous
Earlier this year
19:30 31 Jul 17

Reply #641813

re: U19 Womens world cup

The 2 01 born pgs are excellent ball handlers. The best we've had in some time, possibly ever at that age.

Even Before ever going to COE...
Both of them are better at that skill than any other player currently there who are 2-3 years older.


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Anonymous
Earlier this year
19:48 31 Jul 17

Reply #641818

re: U19 Womens world cup

COE players are not guaranteed.
Mums and dads who think this may get a real shock.
Ask many of the boys who missed out.


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Anonymous
Earlier this year
20:05 31 Jul 17

Reply #641820

re: U19 Womens world cup

The boys didn't qualify.


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Anonymous
Earlier this year
22:19 31 Jul 17

Reply #641835

re: U19 Womens world cup

Ezi played VC in u14s for Coburg. She also played Youth League. Still, she may be one of the very few girls who are better from their time at the COE in the past 5 years. I can't think of another one.

IMO there's no doubt the injuries that happened when Downer was at the helm of the COE cost us any chance of a gold medal. Overlay this with the terrible coaching panel and inexplicable section and we were never likely to medal.


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Anonymous
Earlier this year
17:18 4 Aug 17

Reply #642488

re: U19 Womens world cup

Some serious failures amongst the squad on an individual basis. Would expect at least half will not be in green and gold again, maybe more.


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Anonymous
Earlier this year
17:26 4 Aug 17

Reply #642490

re: U19 Womens world cup

Conti, Shelley and Magbegor are probably the only Potential opals within the next 5 years imo.


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Anonymous
Earlier this year
17:41 4 Aug 17

Reply #642493

re: U19 Womens world cup

Long way to go and plenty ahead of them, before they are even close to that level
Shelley , Magbegor and Bibby were the only standouts from that side and non are ready for the senior level in any major capacity


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Anonymous
Earlier this year
17:46 4 Aug 17

Reply #642494

re: U19 Womens world cup

Yep agree.
Not sure Bibby is opals potential. Too small as a pf.


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Anonymous
Earlier this year
18:10 4 Aug 17

Reply #642495

re: U19 Womens world cup

Possibly , but if she can get her ball handling up to scratch and put plenty of work into her foot speed in defence over these next four years in college she could be a good SF, she can certainly shoot


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Anonymous
Earlier this year
18:35 4 Aug 17

Reply #642500

re: U19 Womens world cup

Trouble is MS are wanting to play her at pf.

If she moved to sf. Shes got Talbot, Allen, Blicavs, Horvat, sharp to go against in the future. Will be tough.


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Anonymous
Earlier this year
19:43 4 Aug 17

Reply #642506

re: U19 Womens world cup

Are you serious Conti. Hello mum


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Anonymous
Earlier this year
19:56 4 Aug 17

Reply #642507

re: U19 Womens world cup

Exactly! On court performance was just like her attitude and behaviour towards her teammates and coaches - atrocious!!!

Hopefully never to be seen again.


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Anonymous
Earlier this year
21:00 4 Aug 17

Reply #642509

re: U19 Womens world cup

Plenty of competition for pgs/cgs over the next several years.

We shall see in time.

Youngins 17-19y,o
Conti at Melbourne, Rocci at Canberra, Tessari at Bendigo, elsworthy at Adelaide, Tupaea at Sydney, Fejo at Perth, Goodchild at Townsville.

More experienced. 20-23y.o
Clydesdale at Adelaide, Wehrung at Canberra, Panousis at Adelaide, Lavey at Dandenong.

College
Nakkasoglu
Reid
Wallace
Mangakahia
West
Etc etc


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Anonymous
Earlier this year
22:04 4 Aug 17

Reply #642511

re: U19 Womens world cup

Lots of names you've thrown up. I'd rather two stand outs than 15 "almosts" though.

I could put a hard line through most of those you have listed. Strange you missed Shelley who is probably our only world class guard prospect.


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Anonymous
Earlier this year
00:56 5 Aug 17

Reply #642513

re: U19 Womens world cup

What exactly is a CG? Catching guard? :p


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Anonymous
Earlier this year
03:35 5 Aug 17

Reply #642515

re: U19 Womens world cup

Combo guard...


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Anon
Earlier this year
07:25 5 Aug 17

Reply #642518

re: U19 Womens world cup

Shelley is a good young player, certainly not ready for the jump to senior level, and basically until they make that jump it's not a guarantee they will ever make the grade.
Many factors to consider especially when it comes to PGs, they are the engines of a team, look at Mitchell, Harrower and any of the really top PGs, not only are they good players they are good decision makers, smart and organised, they are you on court leaders/coaches, they may be fine in their junior levels, as the rest of their team mates are on the same maturity wavelength, but at senior level your dealing with adults not kids

Many of those names will never make that jump for any number of reasons , from ability to communicate, to gaining respect so their team mates listen, to being a great reader of the game, knowing all positions and what their team mates strengths and weaknesses are, and being able to take control of not only tempo but also at crunch time.
Add all these to being able to p,at both ends of the court and a good PG is not that easy to come by hence why once found they are not quickly replaced unlike other positions.
Bit like a good centre, few and far between, but you 2/3/4 positions are the ones who change frequently and usually depending on a coaches personal preferences.

Over the next few years they will hopefully sort the chaff from the wheat, then you can revisit all those obscure names somevare throwing up and see how on the money your were lol


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Anonymous
Earlier this year
08:18 5 Aug 17

Reply #642521

re: U19 Womens world cup

No one knows how those listed will develop. They are all capable. That's why they are there. You know.. the wnbl, The best womens comp we have.


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