It's also interesting that whilst everyone seems to know that the standard of reffing has been an issue all season (as seen by many coaches and players frustration on the court, then being gagged during interviews), teams aren’t bothering to approach the NBL about it as they know that appealing will make no difference.
What would have happened if Sobey’s ejection had happened during a playoffs match? Even if found incorrect (which is highly unlikely anyway), the penalty has already been applied and affected the outcome of the match. Some kind of penalty for seriously errant judgement needs to apply for refs, same as it does for players and coaches. Hopefully prevention of these sorts of consistently bad calls is better than whatever result comes of them. Other than this constant issue, the league has been great to watch this season.

Sobey gobs off and does it again. Where is the problem?

I'm more of a neutral basketball fan and love the way Adelaide play but they've got more floppers and whiners than any other team, sobey flopped and got punished, Wright should tell his team to shut up and play it as it comes and stop complaining about the refs.
Both Melbourne and NZ have had bad calls against them away this weekend but they get on with it. It might cost Adelaide a premiereship.

'responsibilities'

https://www.refereebasketball.net.au/national-referees.html

who's who

https://www.refereebasketball.net.au/national-referee-panel.html

Note WNBL Ref Coach from this thread https://www.hoops.com.au/forum/42687-dandenong-basketball-in-the-law-courts/


The Boss
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Carey_(umpire)

In person
https://www.facebook.com/BasketballAustralia/videos/1177416958954009/


It appears that one "new" main theme is to position yourself and stand perfectly still, waiting for the play to "come to you" , so that your eyes are perfectly stationary and your vision is not having to work so hard to use the brain's processing power to run the vision interpretation - all sound neurology - sort of ;)

very much AFL I think, particularly as it's a physical impossibility for any AFL refs to maintain a constant 5-7 m distance from the football......

Of course this is far superior to the previous basketball ( thank you Sid taylor et al) theme of moving to anticipate the play and to continually position yourself so that you have a view of the "gap" between players and can identify who ( and IF) initiates contact, and IF that contact is 1) illegal and 2) effects an advantage/disadvantage.

IMHO as contact is not only legal in AFL , but is in fact the aim of the game, you never have to consider anything about contact other than ( now) is it from the rear, or head high.

In basketball . of course, the question of IF there is contact is of critical importance, and the aim of the defense is to place maximum intimidation on the opposition while maintaining a legal "gap" , and to force ( if possible) the offense to close that gap and initiate contact.

The number of times in the last 2 weeks , where the based line camera has shown Zero contact by the NBL defender,or the shooter moving into the defender, when the totally hopeless defensive foul call is made by the ref furthest away and NOT in line with the Gap is really really high.

So sad.

The suggestion is that the senior FIBA badged refs are concerned that they will not get finals games in world champs or Olympics ( as we did in the GOLD Game in 2012 etc) , if they accidentally take these 'new improved" habits OS with themselves and are not able to drop those habits in the OS tournaments.

The number and position ( Finals) of the games awarded to Oz refs in the next lot of OS campaigns will probably tell a sad tale.

There was enough contact to deem that that wasn't a flop.

Depends on who they actually appoint anon #332. There are definitely 2 schools of officials. The in-house and the dog-house.

And there is a very good reason for that kobe

Kobe thiks he knows all . Argue. Not with the Kobe.

So was koberulz wrong? If not, whats your point?

didn't log in Kobe? How many other aliases do you have?

Amazing when it affects Sobey it is an issue, but when it happened to Goulding when the Sixers played United in Melbourne, resulting in Adelaide being able to cut a 10 point lead back to four with a minute remaining, it was fine and United fans were just sooks. Hypocrites.

Carey hasn't been there for years most sensible people know that. I wouldn't even give them that knowledge. oh BTW you should have said another NBL bad decision. But what would I know.

What does this thread title even mean?

Refs don't get punished. Either reviewed or if that bad then demoted.

Or do you want a hundred lashes of the whip because your team and boy got hosed? Yawn!

Isn't a demotion a form of punishment? Hmm.

So what does the OP want then?

These things already exist. It reads like he wants more though, like blood.

Same as every week.

Glen, nice English sir

Thunder Jam, you're obviously in another world. Sobey is one of the Aussie stars in the league. He wears the Green and Gold and last offseason played NBA summer League (although he got injured). He also played in Greece.
If he’s not an Aussie NBL star, than who is?

What's the solution? The League has the best referees available.

All these threads about referees and there is not one viable solution presented.

Stop focusing on the refs, accept the calls and play the game.

A viable solution is more training from highly skilled and consistent referees rather than the inept ones currently involved.

Fans are claiming its sub-standard. Be part of the solution or be part of the problem.

They get training from the best in the country.

Just because fans disagree with decisions doesn't mean they're wrong. Even if the referees disagree with certain rules they have to call them as FIBA and the NBL instruct.

You have the best referees and the best educators in Australia covering the NBL.

Accept the whistle and move on.

When do the players have to take some responsibility? Sobey bitches on every play, it's like the boy who cried wolf! Occasionally he will have a valid point but refs switch off when a player continually cries. But on this occasion Sobey was wrong because you can’t have a foul and a flop warning. Time to shut up and play. If he shuts up and knows the rule he doesn’t give Beker the opportunity.

Sobey is a sook. deserved the tech knew the consequences move on nothing to see here.

If you actually believe that was good for the league, than each week, people will be pissed with dumb ass decisions. People's personal feelings about Sobey are clouding their judgement about the rubbish way a star was thrown from a game. It’s trash to watch the refs have such a large impact.

No one is agreeing it is correct. The statement is if Sobey isn't an idiot he doesn’t put himself in that situation

Go watch an Olympic level or Euroleague game. In regards to the unsportsmanlike foul, you will rarely see one called at this level as the players know the consequences of their actions.

Australian players and coaches are playing catch up here as they come to terms with the interpretations that have been played like this in Europe for a few years.

They don't have to like it, or cry "substandard call". They need to suck it up, understand what is going to be called and adjust their play.

The flop is a subjective call based on the referees position on the court in relation to the play and their interpretation of the contact. It seems everyone now worries about a flop call, where they used to complain about a block/charge call.

Tech fouls for dummy spits/mouthing off - fair enough. I don't think the criteria around this has changes too much over the years it is just being applied in a stricter fashion.

Even though there may have been a couple of phantom or incorrect calls, I think the game has been a better product this year. More athletic plays as a result of the game being called this way.

Just enjoy the game for what it is!

"He wasn't overly demonstrative."

I disagree. Who knows what he said but his gesturing was a bit over the top. Standing in the middle of the court, yelling at a ref in that manner is asking for trouble.

Agghhhhhj.......refs. The short spurts of power in their life. So good.

They are reffing badly because there are no consequences. That balding older ref who is terrible refs every week with no threat of being dropped and that ref whose overweight looks a bit like a pig refs more than one game each week and he can hardly get up and down the court aylen

Anon #547 Boti is scathing of the referees. He wrote a little article about your ref Aylen and his opinion is poles apart from yours. I wonder who's opinion holds more weight?

I think the issues stem from rule changes and guidelines that make it easier for refs to call USF's and techs. They should be an absolute last resort and done in consultation with the others but they've given the refs more leeway to make judgements towards calling them, which some refs clearly abuse.

Perhaps if the fans understood the rules they wouldn't be so quick to jump on the refs.

How about blame FIBA or the coaches and players for trying to manipulate the rules to their team's advantage at the expense of good quality basketball?

Nah blame the refs who are just doing what they've been instructed to do.

You think refs get into the game so they can not make calls??

come on now. if you are a parent and a child argues back you have an action plan in place.

if the child complains slightly you may have a conversation with them on the reason why etc.

if said child escalates complaint you have your guidelines which may just mean moving on with what you were doing and hope said child drops complaint and plays nicely with others.

if said child stands in middle of playground and makes gesture's that everyone in playground can see, that brings your parenting in to dispute and oversteps the boundaries of good behaviour you have taught your children you have to take action. You are not going to ignore the child. If you don't you know it will escalate further.

Sobey stood like a petulant child in the centre of the court, well away from others and not once but twice whilst yelling at ref about a flop.

Come on now we would have all sent him to his room. He tossed teddy out of the cot big time. As it was it wasn't the brightest move on Sobey's part regardless of whether he didn't like the first call he already had one tech, a second was always under the new rules send him to the locker room.

Your entire analogy was flawed because in this situation, refs are not parents and players are not the children (yes ok, some of them are). Refs are there to help facilitate the game, not speak down to players as if they are older, wiser, better etc.

If you go in to game acting as the "parent" then the game is already worse off.

And when the player goes in as a disrespectful petulant shit the game is also worse off. The main issue in the NBA is the players don't respect the referees and hence their abuse isn’t being tolerated. Sobey thinks he is bigger than the game, has zero respect for any of the referees and on this occasion rolled the dice once too often and got sent to the naughty corner. I didn’t say it was right but he put himself in a position to get a T and the ref obliged

"Sobey thinks he's bigger than the game" really? You idiot.

"Parody of the incident"

Um....

Is Joyce coaching again? ;)

Sobeys tatts stand for 'Non Starter' right?