LC
Years ago

SEABL 2014 Thread

Let's keep all the SEABL talk to a single thread for season 2014.

Nunawading and Mount Gambier are looking like the title contenders right now for mine in the men.

SEABL Round 4: Road Teams Struggle Amongst Four Instant Classics

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GM1  
Years ago

Are NWT as Legit as their record suggests? on just a lite opening schedule?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Their import guard is legit. NBL legit.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

When will Burdon be back with Mt Gambier?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Once he sobers up

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Clutch win by Supercats over a gallant Sabres outfit last night. Is there a better starting 5 lineup in SEABL at the moment than:

Mercer
Owusu
Herbert
Gaff
Cannan

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Or a worse bench then;
L. Varley
K. Harrison
L. McInerney
K. Rocci
J. Medved

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Bit harsh I'd say, not the worst by a mile, a couple of veterans, two developing players with potential and a solid player still getting used to the system. What do you want anon^ another 5 starters on a SEABL bench?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Who won the Bendigo v Geelong game today?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

this afternoon Bendigo vs Geelong games -
men: Geelong 97 def Bendigo 76
women: Bendigo 92 def Geelong 73

#471762, add Alex Gynes to the Geelong bench, he just happens to be absent this weekend and next weekend.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

On another note, how hard is it for clubs to provide photos of players to SEABL so they can update their links? Surely the second highest league in the country can look a little more professional than this?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

CofE women lost their first game to powerhouse dandenong rangers, great defensive game by rangers, Alison Downie Clare Papas and young gun Rachel Antoniadou clearly the difference, though stats never show defence. Becoming quite a fan of the up and coming guard antoniadou , she's not huge but can take on players way over her in size and age. Papas was great, nice to see her hitting the floor this year, and Downie as always the professional. Sherf was good in the paint with several blocked shots. All up a great game coach Larissa Anderson back at the helm has certainly made a difference. But those Cof E girls can play just the same. Steph talbot is certainly the go to player rangers did a great job disrupting her game.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Frankston making a run! Polk dominating again. Great pick up. Simon G has them playing well.

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SEABL Watcher  
Years ago

Yes Anon, Gynes busy getting married.

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LC  
Years ago

Round 5 Recap is now up on PnR:

SEABL Round 5: Daequon Montreal Stakes His Claim while the Kilsyth Lady Cobras Firm as Favourites

The Pioneers remain one of only two unbeaten teams after sweeping the weekend with a win over the Albury/Wodonga Bandits that took them to a remarkable 5-0 road record.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Going to call it now!

Mt Gambier v Nunawading to play in the SEABL Championship game.

Can't see either team having more than 4 losses for the season thus giving them top spot and home court advantage in conference finals. Both teams will have no problem winning two straight at home and win their conferences.

Also calling Nunawading to beat Mt Gambier and revenge last years loss.

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Bear  
Years ago

Early days and an early call, nice recap LC, but let's see if the best players can stay healthy all season and when it counts...

Dandenong and Geelong will no doubt have a say near the end of this season, again!

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Anonymous  
Years ago

How lop sided are the Mens conferences this year so far? Nothing you can do about it but most of the wins are in the south Conference.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Impreseive win by the CoE kids over the talented Brisbane Spartans!

What's going on at Knox, have their full group now but seem to be playing worse?

Nunawading may now have the best team to have ever played in the SEABL, at the very least, they are the deepest.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Nunawading v Mount Gambier pencil it in as the Championship Game as per the previous anonymous poster.

Easily the deepest and most talented teams in it.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

The 2 best teams although you can't pencil them into the championship.

The one game finals format means you need to be playing well at the right time of year (like Dandy last year who were middle of the road for most of the season).

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Tiger Watcher  
Years ago

Way to early to be calling those two teams..injures loss of form/players to NBL etc.


The finals format allows teams in form to get thru or teasm to have 1 guy have a big day (i.e DQ) and knock off one of the deeper teams.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

TW, while that is true we are 1/3 of the way through the season.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

To win conference

Nunawading $1.10
Mt Gambier $1.10

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Happy Days  
Years ago

DQ has to be on NBL clubs radars considering some of the chumps they have brought out over the years.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

CoE men won their first game the other day, Tanner Krebs came up big with 25 points. Well done boys

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Tiger Watcher  
Years ago

I have heard a couple of SEABL players are on the rader for roster spots this year.

DQ is on Tigers Radar depending on there local roster make up.

Also heard Tiger could be looking at SEABL bigs if they don't get Vandenberg to fill the end of the roster. (Conn, Macmillan, Lang)



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anon  
Years ago

D-Mac was seen scouting at the Spectres game on Sunday afternoon

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Tiger Watcher  
Years ago

Who would he have been scouting?

Conn, Jenkins???

I would think he'd know Macdonalds game pretty well so figure the above to are the obvious from each team.

Unless he was scouting a couple f the younger NWT players whom have started the season well.





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Anonymous  
Years ago

So why is the ladder so lopsided?

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LC  
Years ago

Round 6 Recap is now up on PnR:

SEABL Round 6: The CoE Get a Maiden Win But International Duties Hamper the Women's Competition

Mt. Gambier’s unbeaten streak has moved to 9, with a reasonably comfortable 101-92 win over the Knox Raiders...

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Anonymous  
Years ago

With the scouting my guess would be for Mason Bragg

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Tiger Watcher  
Years ago

bragg has been going well for a young kid....not sure of his age but from the number sand reports around the league he is a better development prospect than a couple of the tigers current dev players

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bethdavis10  
Years ago

Round 6 Wrap Up for men's comp on AndTheFoul.Net

http://andthefoul.net/archives/8273

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Chargers choke, The M0unt roll on.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Massive last qtr by Miners to come from 13 down to win by 3! When miners add Sobey next week, they become serious finals contenders.
Fisher getting better each week. Both imports are top 5 in league for position.

As for Hobart, seems they go as Deba goes. When the circus shots are dropping they win.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Miners aren't that good. Hobart choked down the stretch scoring only 15 points in the last quarter giving up 31. Where was the D, non existant.
Imports week. If George doesn't fire someone else does.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Miners starting 5 about to get a major upgrade with Sobey.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

They need it. The Rat were down by 20+ . "But the Miners refused to say die, and when star import guard Roy Booker - held to just 4 points on 1-of-10 shooting in the first half"
Bandits are crap and right now it looks like the Braves will lose to the dysfunctional Bandits.
So whos worse?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Miners just won the at Tassy double. Without Sobey.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

2 buzzer beaters in a row I believe.....

Down 9 with under 2 mins left....

Pretty sure they would have had a big night out tonight in Hobart.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Big weekend so far, Ballarat really improving, massive weekend for them, Frankston starting to find their mojo, Knox drop another and really struggling despite having their full roster.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Thunder doing their usual. Crumbling.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

How did Frankston find their mojo this weekend when they lost big to Dandy

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Anonymous  
Years ago

God help the CoE kids today in their 3rd game for the weekend, without 3 starters and playing in Nunawading who will be rested after Saturday off and wanting to win after losing to Mt Gambier Friday...

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Anonymous  
Years ago

The CoE kids only lost by 3pts in the end - down by 13 with 6 minutes left, got it back to 2 points a couple of times, including with less then 10 seconds on the clock, but couldn't quite get there (all according to play-by-play). Not a bad effort in the end when you consider it was their 3rd game this weekend also.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Amazing effort by CoE kids. They may need a little more credit!

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LC  
Years ago

Now let's get this thread back on track with some real action (and not the hypothetical stuff)!

Round 7 Recap is now up on PnR:

SEABL Round 7: Ballarat Miners the Comeback Kings while a Triple-Header Beats Down the CoE

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Wow. Hobart Chargers cough up another 15 point lead. Let Brisbane go on a 27-0 run and the coach just sits there like a stunned mullet running the only game plan he has week after week. Hoping Debba George can shoot them out of trouble. Thought they were supposed to be contenders.
Time to drop an import, use the cash to lure a real coach and start to re build the team!

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Time for hobarts inept imports to given the sack. Maybe the coaches that picked them too?

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Happy Days  
Years ago

Watching it on live stats and i couldn't believe my eye.Total capitulation!!!!!

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Sorry but any coach that concedes a 27 - 0 run and sits and does nothing at this level needs the sack.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Imports are not that bad really. Have the potential to be productive but they both play the same game and don't seem to fire together. The whole team appears to be struggling to click. The end result of years of bringing in players to try to win each year and putting no effort into development of local boys, no team spirit or culture. Have watched them for years now an have lost count of how many local boys I have seen being strung along at the end of the bench . Some of them for years hoping to be thrown a bone and get a junk minute. A few of them have done quite well in the rare game when given the opportunity,then get thrown straight back to sit out the next game.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Not sure what games you have been watching. Good crew of kids there now and the trouble with hobart and everyone else is keepoing the kids locally. They go off to college. Both there imports are duds. One import last week scored 4 points againt Ballarat. How is that acceptable when they lost by 2?
What does Tom wright bring to the table when they have George and Masunda?
Imports will stay and the season will be a disaster in the new coaches first season.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

What kids, they have 2, Barker and Brown and they took Davie on road trip.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

I don't recal many of the locals heading off college. Hugh Greenwood was never with them. Tanner Krebs yes. But the rest are still here or playing AFL now.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Ballarat defeated Mt Gambier tonight by 17

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Anonymous  
Years ago

No Hill though

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Greenwood certainly played for them. 13 games I recall. I guess you don't really know a lot. Young is off to college. Barker leaving I hear. Osborne an AFL pick up. Like Ben Richmond to Collingwood. Krebs Vs Spartans. Remember that last week? Add that to the Chargers side. Might not even need 2 dud imports.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Supercats by 1 over Nunawading tonight which gives the Supercats a little buffer at top of the conference ladder. While live stats credits Cannan with the match winning 2 points, it was actually Gaff who made his first field goal for the night that scored the winning points.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

601 Yes Greenwood did play a few games between ais and heading off to college but he was already way above seabl level then, nothing to with Chargers development. As for the other few mentioned I wonder if some of them might have considered hanging around if there appeared to be any chance of developing a career there. I admit to knowing little, only an observer, but Osborne was at college before coming back to Chargers. Krebs I said yes. Ben Richmond NW Tas never here. If you know so much you will also be able to name a long string of boys who moved on due to deciding it was a dead end.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Raiders drop another, without turning this into another Knox bash fest what's going on with them?

They look disorganized and at times disinterested, they've had the full group now for a while and don't seem to be improving, Brown cant last a game without fouling out, Doyle can't score now with Carter in the lineup. Had a lucky escape against the COE so could be 1 and 10.
Anyone got any insight into why they're struggling?

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Saw Know last night. Few things, they are too short for starters. There legit big guy fouls out in 15min, couple of soft calls but he put himself in that position. Second import Jones was a non-factor. I liked Graham, high flyer and always had a go. Got out rebounded and out scored in the paint by significant margins. Half their players couldn't catch Carter's passes - he was a step ahead of them.

Overall though the game was over officiated with lots of soft calls that didn't effect the play and have been let go all season. But the refs were consistent with it to both teams throughout so that was a positive.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Too many guards, no scoring bigs, bad recruitment. Not sure why they brought in Linton and Doyle, Page and Aver are suffering big time because of it.

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Bear  
Years ago

Anon #603 I wasn't there but it would appear GAFF played one of those support roles and the game was possibly played around him in the centre position on the night, any thoughts?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Nunawading did their research on Herbie & Gaff - neither of them were able to really get things going offensively, a couple of times Gaff did look at the refs to question non-calls, but ultimately full credit to Nunawading & in particular Conn for not giving Gaff much room all night. Our guys did try to get the ball to Gaff, but he just really had no luck going with him, passes not quite in the right area which ended up out of court off his hands and stuff like that.

Only real error they made when defending Gaff was on the last play, Cannan with the ball at the top of the key went to drive to the basket, drew 2 players, including the defense on Gaff who was on the wing, which left Gaff wide open for the shot.

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Bear  
Years ago

Cheers, by the looks of it, a real guards game dominated by the little guys, on the score board anyway!

McDonald is hard to cover, a very dangerous player and a key the Nunawading's chances it appears...

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Choppy Galopy  
Years ago

Ballarat 5 in a row.

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sportsfan  
Years ago

not wanting to start a knox bashing again

but we all asking whats going on then look the coach picked these players so some of you say dont have a shanahan bashing but its him who got the players of doyle , and others where u look at the womens side compared to last year

they lost a few but keep there opals and have lost some big games but are giving the kids ago witch is a really good thing to do

with seabl women comp it isnteresting with the BA CoE team some teams get a easyer game with them having players out like friday where they suit up 6 players where others get them at full strength and lose early in the year

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LC  
Years ago

A big round of SEABL action it was!

The Round 8 recap is now up on pickandroll.com.au

SEABL Round 8: Ballarat Miners a Championship Threat while Losing Streaks Continue for Capitals and Sabres

Thought this link may help too:

Statistical Leaders - Men

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Why All the Caps? That's Not Good Writing At All.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Did you know Grant that the CoE had 6 players away from their normal side? PLease don't write articles based on stats. So Many People Do that NOW.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

NW Tassie down MtGambier by 9pts - second consecutive loss for the Pioneers

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Anonymous  
Years ago

How bad are the Bandits. It's time for the Head Coach to stop blaming his players and be accountable for once in his career.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

CoE beat the Rat.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Bandits are shocking, couldn't even beat Knox.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

CoE have some very talented players, Krebs, Blagojevic and Cooks were outstanding today.

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The Fog  
Years ago

Bendigo really struggled against rangers men. Not that impressed with either import and the guards had problems with the press.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Geelong just keep winning, big over Frankston at home this week I see. Only one loss for the season have to have them as favourite at about the half way mark?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Franga aren't that good.
Hobart import fouled out with ZERO points.

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sportsfan  
Years ago

Knox Suit up Shanahan who would of been waitting for this to happen since he started coaching , JB has done is knee i have been told from there

I say Give the kids a go at knox not all these outside players

Knox women get back on with it Gabe & Kelly back into the action but big game for them this weekend taking on nunawading at home

whats everyones tip in knox men v nunawading men i dunno if i would say nuna above 15 -20 or more

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knox boy  
Years ago

WTF!!!! Matt Shanahan you have lost the plot. Your job is to coach and develop players. I know Aver is injured but what about Waterhouse? You have recruited over him with Doyle, Page, Carter and Linton.
And now you DH, you are playing 25mins (more than your import Jonesa!!)
For Christ Knox hierachy can't you see what is happening? Aver and Waterhouse will be gone plus many of our up and coming juniors because a bloody 38 year old coach wants to play.
Knox SEABL - RIP!

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Not a good look for Matt at all, not very smart.
Team and club is full of 1's and 2's, not sure what he was thinking there.

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SEABL Watcher  
Years ago

I'm not going to get into whether Shanahan should be suiting up for Knox or not but they got the win & that would have been his goal. Bandits must be terrible to allow Knox to get the win after being behind 33-17 mid-way through the 2nd quarter.

What's the story with Ntumba this year? Was his knee surgery a failure? It's sad to see a player of his former ability relegated to a bench role & only getting a handful of shots per game.

Chargers also looking ordinary & I gather questions are being asked.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Knox's season is shot, they have to win another 10 games to have a shot at playoffs anyway which wont happen.
Just play the kids, play the 6'10" kid from DLeague, give everyone a crack but least of all, don't play yourself Matt, its embarrassing for yourself and our program.

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Tiger Watcher  
Years ago

The playing yourself to show they way thing isn't a gret look for Matt or Knox...not when you have Carter/imports whom are meant to be the leaders of the team and help bring on the young players already mentioned.

At the start of the year the idea of bringing in Carter/Doyle was a good idea as you mix it wih youth and you could get a nice blend of youth/NBL & internaiotnal experience to help educate the kids and bring them on for the years to come while hopefully staying competitive.

It appears the issues run pretty deep within the group but that said they got the W and play a nunawading team who look to be a little out of form (despite winning).

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Yes they got the win against an equally dysfunctional Team, it would have been a perfect opportunity against a weak opponent to throw a few kids in the mix, Matt playing took significant min's and development time away from those kids.

Ironically didn't he sprout about giving opportunities in interviews earlier in the year?

looking at ladder position the win does nothing for their season, they'd need a massive streak to even have a chance.

The main aim for the rest of their season is play some juniors and see what they capable of, finals are no longer an option.

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Happy Days  
Years ago

Shanahan playing sends the wrong message. Play the kids and give them exposure at the higher level.

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Tiger Watcher  
Years ago

Agree resending the wrong message...that said Matt needed to win otherwise he could be out of a gig at seasons end.

CoE deserve credit they are hungry and work hard every week and if they can hang in games until the 4th they always can cause teams trouble with the athletes on the team, hopefully a number of them go on to NBL/SEABL and are future stars.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Sorry but the Knox coach hasn't a clue what he's doing, and he can't develop players either, he had one kid that represented Australia was a stand out player before he went to know, and all he did was make him into a passer for his other player, he totally stifled his game, took all his instinct away by having such ridged offensive play that only allowed on player to do all the scoring. And that's just one case he's done that to several players. Makes all sorts of talk about doing this and that but can't deliver.

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Happy Days  
Years ago

For the coach to play its a sign of desperation. Ben Harvey might pull on the boots to after his teams performance....

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SEABL Watcher  
Years ago

I wonder how several coaches would go if they did pull on the boots. Chalmers would possibly do a better job on the court than several players. Harvey might be a little past it lol.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Sandringham coach Stephen Hoare also played on the weekend in the Sabres loss to Nunawading.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Can't remember if it was last year or the year before, but Biwer suited up for Nunawading against the Supercats when Nunawading had a few injuries to their big men; so Loader wasn't the oldest on court for a change.
Unfortunately for Geelong he more than held his own in his time on court, and actually embarrassed Geelong's bigs with how he did perform and Nunawading actually won that night.
Can't find the box score unfortunately.

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sportsfan  
Years ago

from what i been told when shanahan 1st signed at knox the old DOC said under no chances to suit yourself up play the kids . Funny now he dosent have anyone in charge he can do what he wants

you cannot blame knox with them giving him a min budget this year he still signed all these outside players where he could of done the other side and tryed the kids look at the youth mens team how good the been for last few seasons

from results this season i see Mt Gambier , Nunawading teams to beat

Kilsyth started good and could get back up there , Geelong as well
and of course NW Tasmania started well

whats everyones thoughts on Dandenong at the moment to where everyone thinks they will go

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knox boy  
Years ago

Shanahan need not worry about developing the young talent at knox because they are so pissed off with him they will leave at the end of the year if he is reappointed.
It is true his contract stipulated he was to coach only playing was forbidden. The atmosphere around the club is one of anger. Club stalwarts cannot believe this has been allowed to happen. If the import is no good play the kids. Time for shanahan to go before the club looses all its talented players and coaches. Trust me time is to act now before further damage is done.

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Happy Days  
Years ago

People can accept losing if your developing your kids internally but playing a 37 year old coach instead of youth....mmmmm.....

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Anonymous  
Years ago

I don't know the make up of the Knox youth team, but Shanahan suited up to replace Justin Brown who is injured. He played the 4 against Albury and matched up on import Momo Ntumba. How many kids do Knox have that could match up against Ntumba? Size, strength,experience?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Some people at some stage need to understand it's not all about them... Very disappointing for Knox basketball. The past 2 SEABL seasons have been terrible with no junior development whatsoever

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FTG  
Years ago

It comes down to the club and program, every club has a different environment.
I would think Knox, being one of the biggest would have enough talent coming through to promote next in line to fill the spot left by Brown, there's a bloody big Kid in the Youth team, why didn't he travel?
Id also think given the turmoil at Knox in recent years the most important thing strategically if you were head Coach would be to create unity and solidarity amongst the board and members, one way to do that is deliver on the promise to develop and provide opportunities to the juniors, this is a central issue to the unhappiness at the association, to fuel the problem could be seen as career suicide.

TW, its a pretty ballsy move to place your career on the line just for a "W", especially given the environment at Knox.

If they were sitting on the cusp of a finals birth with only a few rounds to go you could mount an argument to play, Saturday night was purely about ego, and as you say, a sign of panic and desperation, which, from a coach at this level is unacceptable and not what you expect for the money being paid.

You'd sincerely hope for Matt's sake he had the full support of the board to play.

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anon  
Years ago

Knox exec must be foolish to let this happen? Surely Matt hasn't done this off his own bat?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

They got the W!!!!

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Rumour has it, that at seasons end mass exit to Frankston to rejoin Scott C. With Aver leading the way and from the status of their relationships the womens team may have several leaving as well.

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knox boy  
Years ago

@051. They have beat coe and albury. Kids and a team in disarray. Knox got a W at what expense? Coaches in junior program scratching their heads as to why the kids they have put so much time into not getting opportunities.
Junior kids who have been around and loyal being blocked by a 38YO Coach who fails to recognize what he is employed to do.
SHAME ON YOU MR SHANAHAN! TIME TO GO!

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Anonymous  
Years ago

So which Knox junior can match it with MoMO?

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anon  
Years ago

They got the W my backside. Sounds like Shanahan or one of his dopey assistants comment.
Wake up @051 your comment shows you have no feel for what seabl/d league basketball is about.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Who are shannahans assisstants?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

So I don't know? Take the W at what ever it takes or be seen to lose to the ineptly coached Bandits.
The Bandits can't even be described as under performing and yet the coach continues to blame the cattle he chose.
Please tell us all who should have been selected for Knox to replace the injured player to go up against one of the strongest players in the SEABL and why, and also why you aren't their coach.
No comment about Sneaky playing on the weekend either?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Please, So one of the imports couldn't have guarded him?? Brown only plays 12 mins a game before fouling out anyway, they should be used to doing without him. Sometimes you make do with what you have and show faith in your playing group.
All this has done is shown he has no faith in his group to get the job done.

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Guess post  
Years ago

Haha. LMFAO! I have not stopped laughing since I read about Matt suiting up.
I recall him commenting last season about it was time for the old players Carroll, Hill, Phillip, Massingale and Strong were pass it. Matt is on record as saying he was going to promote from within partly because of the existing talent and partly because their was a lack of funds.
The man has conned his players - young carroll quit because of lies, Aver acting captain can't get to play, Waterhouse recruited over. Brings in Page as replacement PG then recruits over him bringing in Carter and Doyle.
Massingale the best import ever at knox and doing well at Spartans replaced by import Jones. Jones is a dud and shanahan plays him less minutes than himself. Strong would have played at Knox for less money but was told no budget, so they bring in Graham? Recruits Linton.Why?
Knox D League has been performing for last 5 years . Plenty of kids who have played State level and even gone to US College. Gibcus playing at Ballarat. Dyson will follow Christensen. Kids like Toman, Cope, Tomat, Horstman, Molloy, Marshall are all potential seabl players. They must be sitting back and what is happening to Aver and Waterhouse and think if they can't get a game what hope do we have.
Matt guys like Damian Cotter, Graham Longstaff and Heath Anderson worked their backsides to build this club up. I am ashamed to sit back and watch you destroy my beloved club and watch our young talent being demoralised.
You are the custodian of the Cotter culture and it is incumbent on you to leave the program in thesame or better shape than what you inherited.
Please Knox hierarchy you MUST ACT before we get to the point of no return. Severe the relationship for the sake of our club and its players and members.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

MoMO wasn't the problem. He cares as little about Chalmers as most people here seem to not care about Shanahan.
3 Knox players in double figures, one player with almost 6 minutes played and no even a stat, one DNP, hardly inspires confidence does it without Shanahan playing.
1/2 the teams scored by Carter and import. Where is this supposed talent that everyone seems to think the Knox kids have?

How about support your team. The once almighty Knox are now an infighting bunch of wankers because they don't like the tough times that their club has allowed to happen. Suck it up princess.
No Shanahan playing and they would have lost and Shanahan would be blamed. They win with him and guess what.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

who and where is the talent Longstaff and Anderson developed?Both of them never played a junior for genuine minutes in their lives.Junk time generous

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knox boy  
Years ago

@476091. Longstaff and Anderson were heavily involved in the Junior Program under Cotter. Both these guys were fantastic developing young talent well before they became involved as senior seabl coaches. They worked with kids like Sean Carroll, Liam Carroll, Liam Gibcus, Taylor Dyson, Ben Waterhouse, Marek Toman, David Tomat, Dylan Hare, Simon Grant, Shanae Greaves, Sam Donald, Jess May and Rachael Quirk.


Both coaches spent hours with these kids - and it is testament to their devotion that these kids are now pushing or should be pushing for higher levels.

Your comments about not playing them genuine minutes during their SEABL Coaching gigs is true. And if you had any idea what you where talking about, you would realise at this time these kids were developing at a stage whereby the only had just moved into U18s and D League - they use to suit up on the SEABL benches for exposure and experience with training and mixing with the senior players. In other words, they were not ready at this stage to play SEABL, but they were being given a taste of what was to come.


You obviously don't like Graham or Heath - but their legacy is undeniable as evidenced by the above names.

You only have to ask the ëducated" basketball people outside of Knox who understand the game - rather than listen to some pissed of parent(s).



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Cobras  
Years ago

Reading the Knox posts are of interest to me. My club went through the doldrums for a period and now have taken a clear strategy to develop from within.

Both Knox and Kilsyth young talent have followed similar pathways. Their U18-20s and D League teams have been solid performers over recent years.

Coach Popp has followed a strict development program with the juniors. This season the SEABL team is made up of Kilsyth kids with the exception of one import.

The club is making significant inroads and will once again be a powerhouse in the coming years. The junior program is also rebuilding - the same strategy is being applied and is clear and everyone is on the same page.

At Knox I'm amazed they have recruited Doyle, Page when in 2012 Longstaff spent the year grooming Waterhouse to back up Carroll? Why bring in Carter when he had Hill, Massingale, Aver and Hare. Why bring in Todd (last year) and Linton (this year) when he had Philip and Grant?
Why bring in 2 imports (one can't play) and get rid of Massingale and Strong. Why after having his best season in SEABL did Philip retire when clealry he had many more years left in the tank?

Why has a 38 year old coach played - to match up on Ntumbo?

Knox has Graham and Grant to play on Ntumbo and they have a kid Cope (203cm) in D League who could have soaked up minutes.

I think comments in previous post are right - Matt is lacking faith in his group.

Getting the win is one thing - but the future of the club is the main thing.

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Anon  
Years ago

Like him or hate him Longstaff is widely recognised across the State of Victoria as one of the best development coaches of junior talent - particularly on defence principles and educating Points Guards.

I had the opportunity to work with him in Vic Metro State teams - and I can honestly say the players had the utmost respect for him.

Graham has his traits, so do most coaches eg. Gorgeian, Molloy, Joyce, Gleeson, etc.

I'm not suggesting for one minute that Longstaff is in this category but these gents also have people who don't like them.

But like these people, Longstaff is widely respected for his knowledge and teaching at Junior level. Damian Cotter was responsible for bringing him into the knox program significantly at a time when Knox were just a relatively young inexperienced club.

History speaks for itself - and Cotter/Longstaff partnership was largely the architect of the success the club has had.

I'm told that Longstaff is no longer involved in coaching and if that's the case - it is a huge loss to the game.

Maybe with all its "perceived" problems, Knox or for that matter another club may benefit from inviting Graham back into the fold to help steady the ship?

The way he sees the game, coaches the game, manages his players is impressive. I know I have learnt a lot in the short time we spent together.

Its a pity some people judge others on the outside - its what's inside they are missing.

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T  
Years ago

Travelled to Victoria in 2009 and saw young Toman in U14 Nationals at Dandenong when Knox took it out. Pretty sure Waterhouse was another in that team and young Luke Hannon was captain? Wasn't that under Sean Carroll as coach? Hard to fathom how those guys of that calibre haven't made inroads into the SEABL squad of today.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Gorgeian, hilarious.

Shame that most people supposedly on the inside really don't know what's going on.
Enjoy the years in the cellar and you might appreciate what you chose to lose. Oh was that $400K or so as well?
Inept.

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SEABL Watcher  
Years ago

Chargers likely to sack an import.

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HO  
Years ago

"the success Knox has had".

This is not intended to be Knox bashing, just an observers view but I think Knox have underachieved over a long period of time.

For an organisation that for decades has been ranked probably the biggest association in Australia I reckon their "success" is over-stated.

This is an association, given their size, that for years should have been able to field SEABL teams of basically all Knox originated talent + imports - on very few occasions have they done anything like that. And they have been well known for spending big dollars on SEABL & better level players from all over. Of course they have produced good players, and some of them have been listed here, but if everything was working the right way, and if they were genuinely managing all their pathways, there should have been more.

I just reckon they are an association who have consistently failed to deliver on their promise. I wonder if 2014 is just another chapter in that?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

"Chargers likely to sack an import" That's stating the obvious.
5 fouls, 0-7 and zero points is a good reason isn't it?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Knox have been underachievers, too much back slapping and close enough will do. Many good players slipped through the net at the expense of those in the "in" group who got an express ride into the SEABL team.

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Guess post  
Years ago

Who are the players that slipped through the net? Who werethe in playrrs?

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SEABL Watcher  
Years ago

Sorry if it's stating the obvious but I thought an import getting the rocket might be of interest to some here.

I'm sorry to interrupt the detailed analysis of Knox's woes that this site seems to be preoccupied with.

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Tiger Watcher  
Years ago

hearing Chragers just await to secure replacement before he gets the flick.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Sacking Young will not solve the Chargers issues. He could not produce results because he wasn't given the ball. The Charger's only game plan is a hail storm of three point shit. If Debba is hot they might win, if not the coach stands there scratching his head!
On a few of the road games Young has been athletic enough to clean up a few of the log bomb rebounds and has racked up good numbers, but at no time have either of the imports been used as legitimate scoring options, just garbage collectors, and Chargers throw up a lot of garbage.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

The situation at Knox is really sad and it's funny to see 1 or 2 people on here defending Matt. Saying they got the W.. Congratulations, yes you got the W but at a huge cost to the future of your club. The majority of people have hit the nail on the head. He has been threatening the team with playing for some time now. Knox need to do something about this situation before it's too late. Perhaps it is already too late??

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SEABL Watcher  
Years ago

You just need to see their shooting stats against Mt Gambier for an example of why the chargers are losing. I gather the issues with Young went further than his on court performance against MtG.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

I think Knox has recently employed Dale Ryan x assisatant coach of the Brisbane Bullets under Joey back in the old days- lots of experience especially with development, but is also an option as a coach if thing get worst as the year progresses.

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Happy Days  
Years ago

Dont think either of Hobarts imports have been great. Will they replace Young with an NBL player or another American?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Zac White is there new import, out of the Tas NWBU Comp.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Guess Polk would look pretty good in a Chargers singlet about now...

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Is this the new import?

Zac White 6'7" Swing Forward
Washington & Lee University (NCAA3) - 2010 - 11.6ppg 5.0rpg 1.1apg 2.4bpg



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Anonymous  
Years ago

http://wlu.prestosports.com/spotlight/zac.white

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Happy Days  
Years ago

He is very consistent in NWBU and will play the team game. Do what he needs to do to get the W.

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Isn't it ironic that it was said up above that "No Shanahan playing and they would have lost and Shanahan would be blamed. They win with him and guess what."

Forget me if i'm wrong, didn't you win last time without Shanahan? So what if you are down one player? Clearly a defensive change needed to be made, and if subbing yourself in is the best option you can think of then clearly you aren't a very good coach! You might want to start figuring out other defensive strategies that will work well for your team.

The Knox Youth league men did not play that night, Leif Cope isn't tall enough? Yes he's inexperienced but you gain experience as a junior from being given a chance and with Justin Brown going down, is that not a big enough opening for some court time? Apparently not, i'll just play myself! - DUMB!

Dylan Hare may not be as tall but he has got the body strength to match it with the bigger men when Grant or Graham need a sub. I'm sure he would of been more than capable and Waterhouse seem to of held his own last time they played Albury, and got decent minutes for a rookie. Just for an extra name to drop ... Robbie Linton getting next to nothing, are you mad Robbie? Considering you've proved you can shoot now and add some spark to the side. Linton had 10 point last time he played Albury.


Seems a bit sus that Shanahan was training with his team that week even before Brown went down with his knee. As apparently Brown hurt his knee late on Thursday night when training was nearly finished.
You were considering playing before and I've heard you tried to play other years as well but got turned down because someone with authority smartly told you no.

I hope you consider how your team is feeling about you playing, as i'm not hearing positive gossip coming out. Apparently the womens team found it hilarious and questioned Cheryl jokingly to suit up. For people to think it was a typo on Live Stats is an obvious statement enough to say you shouldn't be playing.

Learn how to coach, even when the numbers are down and times get tough. Learn a new strategy that will work well for your team. There should never be a time when you should step foot on the floor and embarrass the club the way you have. Because that is how they feel! EMBARRASSED!!

Team morale is going to be shot, and it's because your ego, lack of knowledge, and coaching ability got in the way of it.

YOU ARE A COACH!! DO YOUR JOB!!!
You have a large selection of Knox SEABL and Youth kids to choose from LONGGGG BEFORE YOURSELF!!

If you do choose to suit up again this weekend, i hope to see you are at least the last sub in, not one of the first. Show some respect and faith in your team! or have you not coached them well enough?







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Tiger Watcher  
Years ago

Rumour doing the rounds for a few weeks was Bubble had threaten the players after a game that he would suit up and show them how its done!

Pretty sure that it was mentioned on this forum in March/April.

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Stupid  
Years ago

Arguing with reffs, getting in a scuffle with nick Payne. What a great example he set!!

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Anon  
Years ago

I hope Bubble keeps suiting up for the rest of the season. And Knox win and play finals.
Don't listen to the critics Matt - keep playing and show your players they need to step up.

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LC  
Years ago

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Anonymous  
Years ago

hahaha Anon 478228 they have no chance of making finals. Maybe a slightly better chance if he DOES NOT suit up!

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anon  
Years ago

Don't listen to the critics Matt. Back your gut instinct. That'swwhat makes you the person you are.

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anon  
Years ago

Will shanahan suit up this week? Who is going to guard Conn, Cameron, Greer and Creek?
Wonder what Bradke and Borner are up to this weekend? God knows the knox kids aren't up to it!

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Anonymous  
Years ago

David Stiff to make Comeback apparently.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

That's Bradtke btw.
Stiff will be playing this weekend.

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Anon  
Years ago

Suit up? You signed up to be a coach not a player.
As a coach you have to figure out how to guard these players other than using yourself. Does he really have no other solution? Quality coach.

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Anonny  
Years ago

It's sad as I bet this is Matt or a friend of Matt making the comment saying the Knox kids aren't up to it. But they are what you have, contradictory when he was all about development at the start funny how fast that changed.
Nothing about development now it's all about me me me. Watch me.
You are kidding yourself. I hope your team turns on you and promotes to remove you from head coach. Because you clearly are no longer a head coach when you put on a uniform.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Ray Ray just had a birthday and is ready to go!!

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bethdavis10  
Years ago

ATF write up on the men's games - http://andthefoul.net/archives/8330

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anon  
Years ago

The knox players love matt. He told me. He asked them to be honest. That's good enough for me.

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anon  
Years ago

I am 58 years old. Can't coach a dog to shit. Think I'm still able to compete against the boronia bowls club best but can't get a game. I'm 6ft 7inch tall. Do ya reckon Matt would let me guard Cameron on Saturday night?

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anon  
Years ago

Bring ya dog as well!

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anon  
Years ago

Is it true that Cheryl Chambers and robbie Baldwin are suiting up this weekend to cover injuries? My source is not sure if it's for the men's or women's team.

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Knox Men  
Years ago

Guess again, they are not happy with it.

You don't tell a women she looks ugly in those jeans, you don't tell a coach something they don't want to hear.

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Tiger Watcher  
Years ago

After all the talk on this forum and around SEABL circles re the knox situation it will be interesting to see how they come out against Nunawading on the weekend.

They are at home and you'd hope for a bold showing and a bit of fight against 1 of the top teams in the league.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Nunawading will win by 20. How do Knox match up with McDonald, O'Hea, Creek, Greer, Conn to start with?

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anon  
Years ago

@ Tiger Watcher. I agree knox should come out firing but they won't because the players are so deflated by the treatment they get from the coach.
I would have to say that things have progressed too far for the guys to want to play for the coach.
Personal pride is the only saving grace for individuals.

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T  
Years ago

Just to deviate from all things Knox.

If Zac White is indeed coming into the Hobart squad he was fired up last night.
45 and 15 boards against Burnie in overtime - although Burnie without their Thunder guy to counter.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Such a tough league that one.

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Happy Days  
Years ago

Nunawading by 20.Veteran team will put Knox to the sword.

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r u kidding  
Years ago

I'm sorry but this is f**** ridiculous. The guys don't want to play for the coach- how about playing for you team or god forbid your club. As a long standing Knox supporter and volunteer I'm ashamed at some of the garbage on here. So obvious who's behind a lot of it. If its true that the lads are sooking up and heading to Frankston to be with Scotty then good luck to them if that's what they want to do. Less trouble in our camp the better, Mitchell can have them!!!

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T  
Years ago

Anonymous would know coz he's played there?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

isn't Scott coaching the Big V womens team??

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Anonymous  
Years ago

^ The way people are sooking they'd fit right in there.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Sorry to move away from the Knox coaching debate, but Hobart Lady Chargers have signed Cayla Frances and is expected to suit up from this Friday night. Article says that her partner is brother of Deba George and he wanted to spend some time with his sibling, so she followed and inquired about suiting up.

Also a bit about Jerrah Young being on the verged of being axed.

http://www.themercury.com.au/sport/local-sport/hobarts-lady-chargers-get-a-giftwrapped-opal/story-fnj92b0f-1226933740872

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anon  
Years ago

@r u kidding.

So bigshot who is behind this - it's not obvious to me. I have no doubt the players will give their best. But it is naive to suggest they should play for the team or club. Loyalty is a two way street. Is the club being loyal to these knox kids by allowing a 38 year to play in front of them? Is the club being loyal to its suppoters by having the coach play in front of his import?
We DO NOT want our juniors heading to other clubs!!!!!
R u kidding? I doubt you are who you say you are?
Are you Matt?

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Tiger Watcher  
Years ago

As everone keeps mentioning Knox re development etc.

I guess the situation down in Frankston isn't any better, under performing import (Long) who is shooting 10% from 3.

They are in a deep hole but without the young talent knox have on the bench.


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T  
Years ago

Jeez, gotta love the one-up-manship on Hoops. Especially from Anonymous(s).
Isaac, are there 100's of them or is it all one bloke with the same IP?

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Tiger Watcher  
Years ago

Could be a few of the younger players or there parents who aren't happy that thier little star isn't getting a walkup start to senior bball cuase he was a good player in under 16's

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Anonymous  
Years ago

I find it amusing that people are being called sooks and they aren't stepping up when given the opportunity. In the games that the Knox juniors have played they have held their own. I feel for Adam Doyle also who relocated and had a great start to the season and is now playing considerably less than he was. In regards to Shanahan, wish we could hear from Mick Hill, Carroll boys, Strong, Massingale and basically anyone that has played under him; past and present.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

I have a feeling we already have

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Anon  
Years ago

Al wanted to Chuck gone but got blocked by management, the rest is history.Chuck will play Big V next year.

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Tiger Watcher  
Years ago

@anon 476411 - With all due respect to those former Knox legends/players father time was catching up with Hill & Strong.

Hill - Great competitior but appeared to be a bit frustratuerd his last couple of seasons.

Strong - Great servant of the club but poor play and steep decline in production plus issues with his body


CJ could have gone on at Knox for a few more years and as a follower of the league I hope he does continue playing for a few more years, hopefully the warm weather is good for the knees,.

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Anon  
Years ago

Perhaps you should just focus on your retirement down by the beach instead of continually trying to destroy the club that you say you love so much. It was your actions that started back in 2008 that put this club on the path that its on now. Don't forget that.

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Pandora  
Years ago

Wow what did this person do to Knox back in 2008 ?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Another knox classic.Lester strong to be deported due to Knox putting paperwork in properly in 2011 and has been here illegally since. Good luck to him he has 21 days to appeal

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anon  
Years ago

2011 you say. Knox person doing paperwork back then was also chairman of seabl. You'd think he would know what he was doing?

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Dear Matt  
Years ago

Your team hates you Matt.
Just saying.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

This is all getting quite ridiculous.

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Disgusted  
Years ago

@ Dear Matt
All class aren't you !!!

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Dear Matt  
Years ago

Don't need to be classy to speak the truth. Truth is the truth even if it's ugly, pretty, trashy or classy.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Don't need to have a brain to post trashy hurtful rubbish on a forum either.

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Disgusted  
Years ago

Correct. Yet to meet a brainy bully!!

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Unfortunately people think that to validate their position within the hierarchy of knox they need to change things and this is why they are in the position they are in. Matt can't coach and everyone with a bball IQ already knew that before he got the job. Then he runs out of town some very good knox people who should be there bringing through the young kids, not these other guys he brought in who are just worried about their own stat line.
The woman's team isn't much better they have good junior talent in the 1 spot in Donald, quirk, and lee, the club has no money but they keep Wilson on plenty of doe she is away with opals and only trains once a week....
Poor decisions continually made

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Great to have Knox in disarray. Guaranteed win unless you are the Bandits.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

@ Tiger Watcher - my point was not if they should be playing, I agree with what you have said. Point was it would be nice to hear their thoughts as to whether the coach can actually coach or is doing the right thing by Knox and the future of the club. Pretty sure we all know the answer already.

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Would someone please inform the new CEO at Knox this is not football and player/coach isn't seen as the norm nor does it reflect any professionalism. SEABL is a semi professional league, VFL and AFL don't have head coaches running around on the field. This isn't your local game of winning and losing.

Knox is a big club and has many talented kids to choose from, if you want to play you do not become a coach. Its unprofessional for Knox to have a head coach suiting up, are they that desperate for players?? no!? They have a great selection of boys to choose from.

The only reason you should suit up is when you are down to 5 or 6 players and there is no one else to bring up from youth league, which will never be the case as the youth league team have more than enough players with enough talent to play.

Lack of faith has been shown.

I hope the CEO is aware that 95% of Knox are unhappy with this decision to let him play over youth players. Not a good look for the club and is becoming a comedy. This is not the direction Knox needs to go in, it's not good for the team or the club.


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Anonymous  
Years ago

Amazing the amount of venom shown towards Shanahan for suiting up at Knox, but nobody over at Sandringham bats an eyelid when their head coach suits up. What's the difference?

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Anon  
Years ago

Maybe those with real concerns re Knox issues should be communicating with the Chairperson (Eric Noordzy) rather than airing them on a forum.

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YouGuysAreBoring  
Years ago

The difference is that there are a whole lot more people somewhere out there in internet land who have a bone to pick with Knox - or who get their kicks out of bagging that organisation for petty reasons..

Why is it that every time Knox gets brought up on this forum it degenerates into this sort of crap?

I'd prefer to read something actually interesting!

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1 week out from the Queens birthday weekend break, and it looks like the top two teams in each conference of the women's competition are virtually locked in for the remainder of the year. No surprises that Dandenong, Nunawading and Bendigo are up there. I've got Dandenong v Nunawading in the Eastern Conference Finals being the real championship game - they're both a class above Bendigo and it is a shame that the newly formulated Conferences are so very lopsided.

I think that Kilsyth has been the surprise team so far. Sam Woosnam must be doing something right, she's getting the absolute best out of her roster.

The dark horses of the competition in the second half of the season will be Frankston, Brisbane and Hobart with the late addition of Cayla Francis.

Ballarat have been slumping badly in the last 6 games or so, and have probably dropped off the pace. Knox's fate is determined on whether Kelly or Gabe get picked for more Opals duties, because without them they are definitely a 3-8 side.

Anyone else have thoughts leading into the Easter Break

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Anonymous  
Years ago

On the Men's side Nunawading and MtGambier still look to strong for everyone else. Both teams have lost a couple of games but were under strength at the time.

Geelong and NW Tasmania are the challengers right now but both have to play above themselves to knock off the top two.

Dandenong look set to make their run (when is Harms back?)

Will Bendigo get their act together?

While there are several other teams that can get hot on any given night (Kilsyth, Ballarat, Hobart) they seem to rely on making a lot of 3s to win.

Of the other teams, they all seem to be missing a critical piece to be considered a serious threat to Nunawading and MtGambier.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

@467508 Maybe those with real concerns re Knox issues should be communicating with the Chairperson (Eric Noordzy) rather than airing them on a forum.

For those that don't know him, his the guy wandering around SBC on a Friday in a Sherbrooke Hoody

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Anonymous  
Years ago

@476506 says something about the different type of people they are and their contrasting agendas. Sandringham youth league played, and Hoare suited up in a few games last year as well, so it's not like he hasn't played SEABL for 6 years..

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move on  
Years ago

I have read enough of this rubbish. All the comments that Matt did it for his own ego and to steal court time from Knox juniors is absolutely ridiculous. Shanahan acted in the best interest of his team. I know for a fact that it was a decision reached mutually amongst the playing and coaching staff for Matt to play in Albury after they lost Justin Brown to injury. Leif Cope had not been at training for 2 weeks due to work commitments which is why Matt played. Would you like to name another player who could have stepped up and play the 4 spot like Matt did? None of this was done to stroke his ego.

Matt's first and only thoughts are for this club. Are any of you even aware that he paid out of his own pocket for one of the imports because the club didn't have the budget??

Can Matt coach? Has he had the opportunity or the support to coach? Listening to the rubbish that's on here it's easy to see that he has been up against a lot of haters from the word "go". Let's all remember Steven Hoare played this weekend but we hear nothing from Sandringham. Why?? Where are their Life Members up in arms that he's stolen the place of a junior? Where are all the comments that he must have suited up to stroke his own ego? Where is all the criticism that he mustn't be able to coach and have an inadequate basketball IQ if he has to play on the court with his team to coach? Funny how the only trash and venom has come out of the negative environment that thrives at Knox by people that claim to be the Knox faithful. I'm sure Sandringham has just as many passionate players and members, yet they've managed to support their coach!

We all know the people who are on here are obviously the people who Matt has let go or replaced. People who were back stabbing him from the first day he walked into the door at Knox and are cheering and doing all they can to see him fail. In his first season, he inherited a team that was at the end of an era and this year he brings in a group of players who are young and hungry and want to work hard, and more importantly, want to give back to the juniors.

So, to all the haters that hold the title of "Life Members" and all the former Knox people who just want to submerge Knox into more and more negativity - move on. If you really cared about Knox the way you proclaim, then you would stop this rubbish. It's time to recognise that all this public in-fighting does is to belittle the entire Knox basketball establishment instead of supporting the changes that are so desperately and obviously needed.

Sadly, this particular thread seems to be cluttered with a handful of the loudest, negative voices who share their venom and opinions but remain anonymous. If you had any basketball credibility and held such legitimate concerns, you would consult professionally with a Knox board member or someone from management to voice them face to face. However, I highly doubt that anyone who has commented on this thread spewing hate would meet that criteria. And so instead they choose to vent and project their own frustrations on someone in the public eye who is an easy target from behind the comfort and security of their computer screen.

It's time for some people to have a long, hard look at what exactly they think they're "bringing" to Knox Basketball that doesn't involve finger pointing, negative infighting and placing blame on anyone other than themselves. Maybe once that cultural shift finally occurs, we can see Knox be the basketball powerhouse it should be.

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Tiger Watcher  
Years ago

On the Mens side I think Geelong & MT G are the two best teams and will play in the GF.

Unless Geelong drop games they will have the home court...hard place to win when it is a packed house.

Same goes with Mt G - tough place to win when it is a full house can't see anyone in that conference winning down there.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

@ move on.. regarding paying an "import" out of his own pocket. Well if he is silly enough to do that then that is his and his families problem and that is not a smart point to bring up because: If the club can't afford them work with what you have... which means DEVELOP YOUR JUNIORS! Which is the major talking point of this entire thread! You talk about haters a lot as well. There are a number obvious reasons he has them, you don't have them for no reason.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Can someone delete this thread and start a new SEABL one? Its become an embarrassment to the league.

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HO  
Years ago

move on

"We all know the people who are on here are obviously the people who Matt has let go or replaced."

No you don't. You don't know that at all. Happy Days has been critical, I don't think he fits that bill, Tiger watcher also said it didn't send a great message - not sure he is an ex-knox person.

I hate stupid comments like this.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Agree HO, its a Very stupid comment and assumption.

Many people in the broader Basketball community have strong opinions on the correct process for player development and creating pathways.

Normally those paths are upward not downward though.

You can't blame people for highlighting problems associated with how this has been handled.

The personal stuff has to stop though, its unnecessary.

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Suns  
Years ago

How could the hoody help he's probably only interested in big v. What an insult that their knox chairperson would wear suns gear at SBC. No bloody wonder the joints in strife.

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sportsfan  
Years ago

i can understand knox seabl men comments but i dont get why its all getting back to the rest of knox basketball when its not needed

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sportsfan  
Years ago

i mean its a seabl topic keep the comments related to seabl teams not the rest of knox like i can see happening here

whats everyones thoughts about MVP's so far this season?

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Anon  
Years ago

End of the day its a board decision and they should do whats in the best interests of the club.

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Bear  
Years ago

From the SEABL web site, part of the write up for the game of the week post. This is refreshing and a great initiative, also if the whole article is read it seem very well written for both teams:

Geelong Supercats probably haven't received the same hype as Nunawading, Mount Gambier or even North West Tasmania for that matter, but it’s time to take the lid off.

The Supercats are flying at 11-1, with a deep roster consisting of a group of players that are familiar with their roles.

In their recent game against Nunawading, they came out firing with Nick Owusu having a season-high 21, emphasising the offensive weapons in this Geelong outfit.

Although no player is averaging over 20 points per game, with Mike Mercer the best with 19.5, they manage to pour in nearly 90 points a week, the second best offense in the league.

They play both ends of the floor as well conceding 78.3 points per contest, only behind Kilsyth and Mount Gambier.



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sportsfan  
Years ago

Geelong is always around the mark but suprised they havent had the meantion i think also dandenong men could be around when it gets to the end of the season

in the womens i think Frankston will be up there near the end , dandenong hasnt been talked about this season and bendigo i think if they get on a roll will look good as well

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Anonymous  
Years ago

@HO you have said 2 people. Well done mate. Tell me about the other ones?
Talk about stupid comments.

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HO  
Years ago

#476568

I referenced two, because they are long standing contributors with a proper login on the forum who quite simply show how ridiculous the assumption is.

Again, the comment is stupid, its either a ridiculous assumption or a defensive measure but its also almost paranoid, and seeks to just disperse every opinion here as being that of a hater or someone with an axe to grind.

This forum is full of people who think about issues and post good commentary, and I would be confident that many who have an expressed a position on the Knox/Shanahan playing situation (which I haven't btw) are not necessarily disaffected Knox club members or players. I am equally sure some are, but not all, and not by a long way.

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Bear  
Years ago

I might have let that one slide, anon's comment made no sense anyway.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Looks like the Chargers beat the AIS with only 1 import.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

^^^Correction...Deba George beat the AIS

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Sports fan........stable women dandenong, they are top of both leagues so not sure what your saying they haven't been talked about, that's because there's nothing wrong with them lol

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SMA  
Years ago

One charger import axed. Other will be if the can find a suitable - and affordable - replacement. Hartwell's treatment of his team mates on court is poor.

CoE guys took the chargers to school until half time. Fatigue set in late in game to give chargers the win.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Hurts CoE to be missing McVeigh and Martin. They are doing a great job. Have found a real talent in Cooks and are giving the u17 kids some amazing experience leading into World Champiinships later this year.

Deba took 33 shots to beat them! Oh my.

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Seabl Watcher  
Years ago

Knox, though losing tonight showed some promise with the coach giving some decent minutes to the like of Justin Aver who played tremendously over the 18 minutes of court time he was allowed!

Showed why he can play, and when given the chance can prove himself! If only he were given the opportunity more often, as well as some other up and coming players!!

Let's hope it continues for the remainder of the season and put some spark back into the team!!!

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Anonymous  
Years ago

One of the imports DNP? This on top of Brown out. No choice but to play the kids now, glad they responded.

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Anon  
Years ago

Knox lost tonight for one reason only. Let Matt play. God knows he cant coach.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Why has Shane mcDonald not played these past two weeks for nunawading?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Great job by the Gunners to get a big win on the road at Bendigo! Team effort from gunners. McEachin making real progress with the program this year.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Nunawading showing their championship quality by still winning without McDonald as he is a huge part of their play and coaching.

Ballarat have recovered from a shock loss last week and once again shoot the lights out! Good times there at the minerdome.

Dandenong are back! Harms back in the line up, both imports dominating, Odigie finding his feet.

This conference is tough at the top!!

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SEABL Watcher  
Years ago

Tough at the top but weak at the bottom although the CoE kids are putting up a tough fight against most opposition. You really have to question the defence in the Ballarat and Dandenong games with 198 & 200 points scored in 40 minutes.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

How does Deba George beat the CoE?. He is in a team and they play as a team. George had a hot hand and his team mates knew it.
Anyone who wasn't at the game and reads a box score should simply stfu.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Good point, box scores don't tell the story.

High scoring games with Ballarat and Dandenong do not mean poor defence either!

If anyone has seen a Dandenong in the last 3 years would know they force the tempo at both ends in their games.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Gunners weekend got even better today going 2-0 after beating Sandringham. Things really starting to turn for the gunners!

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Today's Gunners vs Sandringham, 87-92 or 87-94?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Gunners won 94-87

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Anonymous  
Years ago

any further word on who is likely to take the 2nd import spot at hobart? gone quiet since mention of Zac White. nothing official from the hobart camp yet either

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Hobart not the only team in the market for a new import!

https://twitter.com/stevesmithffx/status/473372071142383616

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Anonymous  
Years ago

This one isn't form related though:

It is with sadness and disappointment that the Albury-Wodonga Commercial Club Bandits announce yhat earlier this evening the coaching staff and Board were informed that 2012 Championship centre Mohamed Ntumba (Momo) had requested a release from
his contract, effective immediately, due to an ongoing injury concern.

http://www.gobandits.net/uploads/3/9/7/3/3973334/media_release_momo_departure_2014.pdf

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SEABL Watcher  
Years ago

It explains why Momo has not been anything like the player he was in 2012. I hope he recovers & returns to the league at some point.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

MoMo has been a player of great form in his first season there. This year not so. Clearly he didn't want to be there. Injury? Who knows the truth.

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Tiger Watcher  
Years ago

Seen Momo/Albury play twice this year and he has looked sore....no elevation so could be a good more by Albury.

hopefully they can find a solid replacement to help bring some life back to the bandits season.

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Happy Days  
Years ago

Is it worth bringing in an import this late unless they are already in the country?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

If Albury was going to play finals, then you would probably bring in an import - but with only 3 wins on the board, you would think that it's unlikely they will play finals and probably not worth finding a replacement.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Hobart are Waiting on Visa clearance for Zac.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Maybe Albury sign Young?

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Tiger Watcher  
Years ago

The Bandits are only 4 games out of play-offs.

They have 2 games against 4th (Dandy) & 6 home games remaining out of 14 to be played.

As an organisation you surely need to back your team to have a crack at forth and hope you can beat Dandy twice plus hope that the Miners might loose some form.

If you don't back your team with 14 games left in a season your probably making a statement on the coach, so you might as well send home the other import aswell and play the kids in preparation for 2015 plus start sounding out coaches for next season to.

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SEABL Watcher  
Years ago

It makes it difficult for the Bandits with both Ballarat & Knox holding 2-0 splits but they still have a chance of a playoffs spot with a decent import.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

You need to be around 50% to make playoffs, i cant see either Albury or Knox winning 10 of their last 13 games.

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Happy Days  
Years ago

I wouldn't bring out another import unless you can get him on the floor this weekend or next. Too much paperwork etc etc...Look for an NBL player who can use it as a pre season gig. I'd ring Gruber.

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SEABL Watcher  
Years ago

Albury definitely won't do it without a gun replacement for Momo

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Tiger Watcher  
Years ago

Its about making play-offs but also about your culture and direction moving forward.

If you throw in the towel with half the season left it sends a poor message to your supporters/players & coaching staff.

Once you get for 5/6 gmaes to go and finals aren't an option then you play your kids more etc but as per the AFL winning/competitive culture is just as important in developing the kids as gametime.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

If they lose another 4 games they need to look to the future and develop a base and potentially trial a long term import, effectively start 2015 pre season in july.

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SeaHawk  
Years ago

Calvin Henry (Mildura Big V) was approached by Knox to play for them for the remainder of the season after a game in Melbourne last week I have been told.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

^ good luck getting that transfer signed.

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Happy Days  
Years ago

Henry wont leave mid season. He is a quality person and will do the right thing by the Mavs.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Wouldn't matter even if he wanted to, there is a heap of red tape to get through including at the very least the Mav's releasing him not to mention the fact you cannot suit up a player in SEABL unless they can play a min of 11 games, so it would need to be agreed, done and dusted within 2 weeks.

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LC  
Years ago

Round 10 Recap now up on PnR:

SEABL Round 10: Canberra Gunners Sweep Their First Round while Sabres Women Break Their Duck

Deba George and Roy Booker both are averaging 28.7ppg. Daequon Montreal with 26ppg is not far behind. Geelong and Nunawading , Mount Gambier and NW Tasmania in the men's look like the teams to beat so far.

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anon  
Years ago

So was Cam Rigby.

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anon  
Years ago

Maybe the bandits should recruit Shanahan. After all he did destroy them last week.

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Tiger Watcher  
Years ago

Surprised Bubble didn't suit against Nunawading...anyone now why he didn't...fun i heard they could have used a mature head on the floor to help guide the kids

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Happy Days  
Years ago

Jazz is available, put him the backcourt with Deuce.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

hoping hobart sort out the zac white visa situation soon. would love to see him suit up against NWT next friday night.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Lisch is available...

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Hobart has a bye.

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Anon  
Years ago

Bubble to play for Hobart?

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Tiger Watcher  
Years ago

Player/coach?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

local hobart newspaper released Zac White as the replacement import at the chargers, stating he had been training the past 2 weeks and chargers officials were looking to close the deal with his NWBU club Penguin and changes to his VISA today.

looks likely he'll suit up next week against NWT at home. his current NWBU stats look good at 26 points/11 rebounds average so far.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Anyone can score more than Youngs last game when he fouled out with ZERO points.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

speaking of Jerrah Young, according to the article he caused some issues claiming breach of contract when the chargers sacked him. Hobart still however found him a gig in Geraldton to continue playing in Australia.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

One would imagine that 5 fouls, 2 weeks in a row and ZERO points in his last game could be perceived as a breach of contract too.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Hearing lots of noise about a coaching change looming.

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Happy Days  
Years ago

Frankston have a big 6-10 Aussie returning from college to suit up for them.Polk struggling with injury at the moment.

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SEABL Watcher  
Years ago

Bandits reportedly close to signing Lamar Mallory to replace Momo Ntumba:
http://www.bordermail.com.au/story/2336124/albury-wodonga-bandits-lamar-mallory-the-pick-to-fill-attack-gap/?cs=10

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Anonymous  
Years ago

which club, which coach?

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anon  
Years ago

Shanahan or Chalmers?

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Happy Days  
Years ago

You wouldn't pull the trigger now, wait till the end of season and advertise the position. i would think Chalmers has 1 more season left seeing he won a title 2 yaers ago, not sure about Shanahan tenure.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Chalmers didn't win the title. MoMO and Jazz did. Pretty clear since that great combo left Chalmers hasn't been able to coach at all.

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sportsfan  
Years ago

give cheryl a break at least shes used knox juniors this season with the big 2
& then you look jess may was out injured for few games as well they won the championship last year so give her more of a chance

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Anonymous  
Years ago

@sportsfan - other than you, who has mentioned Cheryl Chalmers?

I believe you will find the Chalmers being mentioned is Brad Chalmers, coach of Albury/Wodonga mens side

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sportsfan  
Years ago

thats what i thought the albury coach someone before me meantioned she carnt coach so they got it wrong as well

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Its Cheryl Chambers, not Chalmers.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

^ spelling.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Cheryl Chambers coaches Knox Women

Brad Chalmers coaches Albury-Wodonga Men

SuperIntendent Chalmers was on the Simpsons

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sportsfan  
Years ago

ok i was looking at the fixture this week what are the games to watch this weekend??

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Anonymous  
Years ago

^^ NWT vs Hobart, mostly due to Zac White suiting up for Hobart..

http://www.themercury.com.au/sport/local-sport/hobart-chargers-recruit-zac-white-raring-to-go/story-fnj92b0f-1226948824936

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SEABL Watcher  
Years ago

Another mid-season change with the Sabres droping Mike Moore.

http://www.seabl.com.au/index.php?id=257&tx_ttnews%5Btt_news%5D=9761&cHash=82a2bcd821


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paul  
Years ago

Not a good move if they're wanting to sure up their Frontline...

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Happy Days  
Years ago

Hairston is an inside outside player, not a true post player.Gives them a bit more rebounding but wouldn't think he will be a major upgrade.

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Onlooker  
Years ago

"Cheryl Chambers coaches Knox Women

Brad Chalmers coaches Albury-Wodonga Men

SuperIntendent Chalmers was on the Simpsons"

haha, nearly fell off my chair! Skinner!!!!!

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Sack Superintendent Chalmers ;)

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anon  
Years ago

Shanahan will fix the problem. Play him for goodness sakes.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Shanahan as player/coach. Gotta be a better option.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Who is the 6'10" Frankston kid returning from college?

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Happy Days  
Years ago

http://www.smcgaels.com/ViewArticle.dbml?SPSID=101618&SPID=12536&DB_LANG=C&DB_OEM_ID=21400&ATCLID=205158549&Q_SEASON=2013

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Hodgson from Frankston?

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Happy Days  
Years ago

Thats the word :)

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Tiger Watcher  
Years ago

Vandenberg from NC State?

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anon  
Years ago

Shanahan to franga?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Another change in the womens side of things - with Nadeen Payne out injured for the remainder of the season, Launceston have signed Abby Bishop as her replacement.

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Happy Days  
Years ago

Im sure Launceston will look after Abbey better than BA do....

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Hypothetical All Star Teams announced.

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anon  
Years ago

Disappointed shanahan couldn't get a gig? Player or coach.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Good to see Richard Hill get some recognition for his outstanding coaching. Go Pioneers!

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Tiger Watcher  
Years ago

Pioneers been going well they are starting to make some noise, issue is can they win it all by winning against the big teams in Melbourne

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Not a great deal of competition in their conference, that's almost a lock. Can the beat Nunawading in the final?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Gee launceston must be paying a pretty penny for bishop as they would have to cater for the child as well with accommodation and child are .

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Anonymous  
Years ago

chargers vs nwt - Tom Wright basically kept Hobart in the game, while too many opportunities slipping by went by..

i like the look of Zac White, played quite well despite the stats/shooting showing otherwise

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Under performing Chargers missed a chance to beat a not very good Thunder. Why the hype around Jenkins? Small and definitely not a team player nor NBL. Certainly can shoot and that's about all.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

White had similar impact as Young was having... As long as George take so many shots they are in trouble.

Jenkins team keeps winning, I'd say he is more than a shooter.

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T  
Years ago

Sad and cranky Hobart anonymous.

Jenkins averaging 24.4 ppg, 5 rbs, 4.3 apg shooting @ 50% from the field.
6 assists last night.

"Not a team player" - crap.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Neither import is a team player. Not cranky at all. Jenkins is a good player at SEABL level and would be quickly found out at NBL level.
George taking too many shots? 3 more than Jenkins and at a higher percentage isn't too many.
Maybe 3 / 11 3pa is however. No one rates George yet he was clearly the better player last night.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

White at least scored in the game Vs Hobart and fouled out. Scoring only 1 point makes him better than Young. Young should have been sacked within a month of him arriving.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

I like the look of White after watching last nights game. He is very athletic, finds his way to the basket well and his rebounds are strong.

Lee was on a mission last night and was always going to make it hard for White defensively.

We should see White improve drastically over the next few weeks and would definitely like to see him less nervous and nailing his shots.

Deba definitely had more of an impact than Jenkins, but certainly not to the extent he usually does...an off game by his standards definitely...Thankfully Wright played his best game this season and kept Hobart in it...

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Happy Days  
Years ago

White would of been nervous, he'll be fine after getting thta game out of his system.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Interesting that George and Booker are well ahead in ppg Vs Jenkins. BJ dropping off the pace once they have worked him out.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Jenkins takes better shots than George and Booker. All three can make tough shots though. The deal breaker is, does your team win? Jenkins team has won more than Booker and George.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Hodgson played 1st game for Frankston and they beat Nunawading! Huge signing and gives the team great balance now. The Blues are now set to make their run.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Why don't you guys like Jenkins? He can play. Does so much more than the stat sheet shows. Not only does he fill the stat sheet. He's a leader. He's surrounded by a very young cast and he makes big plays. No bad attitude and really is a winner.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

George did not have a bigger impact than Jenkins did. Jenkins won the game and had 20pts 6assists 6rb and 4stls and played great defense on George. Just like in the first matchup and Jenkins switched on to him in the second half and held him scoreless! I've been following the thunder for years and the Jenkins kid is one of the special ones

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Anonymous  
Years ago

People who don't rate Jenkins do not understand the game. SEABL stud and looks like he could easily make the jump to NBL in the right team.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

if we are talking about import guards who get the job done for their team week in week out, while still winning and filling the stat sheet, then when will Mercer from Geelong get a mention?
Second season and I would have thought teams could figure out how to slow him down, yet he puts up impressive numbers every week, for a team that has lost only one game all year?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Jenkins is way too small for the NBL.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Jenkins is too small and looks like he enjoys maccas a little too much

in other news..The Mercury article

http://www.themercury.com.au/sport/local-sport/thunder-shuts-down-chargers-rebound-bid/story-fnj92b0f-1226953987260

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Anonymous  
Years ago

we are talking about the same Jenkins that shot

5/13 & 1/3

for Ulverstone in club basketball last week yes?

ordinary numbers for club level basketball in which his team won 90 - 66

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Yes the same Jenkins who has also tallied 47/15 in that league and who will probably win MVP in that league. I would think with his team holding in first place and seabl bein his prime focus he would take it kind of easy in that league no? Especially him injuring his finger a couple games back mate. "Enjoys maccas a little too much". You guys really just don't like him or Lee I'm convinced.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

I reckon Booker, Jenkins, and George are all the same size. No?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Good to see some Hobart fans trying to find problems with NW Tassie imports ......

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Anonymous  
Years ago

They are all similar size but not same types George is a scorer, Booker a scorer that brings others into the game and Jenkins a PG who can score.

To say they don't have the size to play NBL is plain stupid. How tall is Gary Ervin?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

So who do you reckon is better?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Unlikely any of them will play NBL so it doesn't really matter. Jenkins was leading the scoring after a few easy games against albury and knox. Now back to the pack with Booker and George co leaders 28.7 ppg.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Franga beat the Specs and the Mount!!! WOW.

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Happy Days  
Years ago

What could of been for Frankston...too little too late.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Lee was a stand out against Hobart, he is an absolute jet.

a big guy taking rebounds and smashing home a bunch of 3's is hard to not rate as a player

his attitude on court is most likely his personality, but can see why people could hate him so easily..

signed,

a hobart fan

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Lee's personality is fine and he is very underrated .... I like the lee/Jenkins combo. Just as much as the booker/Horton combo. Those are the best tandems in the league I believe

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Why don't you feel none of them can play nbl? All 3 can score with the best of them and booker and George are leading the league in scoring at 28 a game. Jenkins has played in the nba d-league at his same size so I do not see how the nbl would be different. I'm actually a fan of all 3.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

I agree with Happy Days. White will be fine for Hobart

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Happy Days  
Years ago

White would of been nervous.Hes got it out of his system now and will be a consistent addition to the team.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Why to little to late for Frankston? They can still make the finals and having already beaten Mt Gambier, Bendigo, Nunawading, Geelong & Dandenong! They have proven they can beat anyone and now with Hodgson they have a legit 5 man to team with Polk.

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Happy Days  
Years ago

Polk playing injured. Wont make finals.Not consistent enough.They win in spurts.

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SEABL Watcher  
Years ago

Those 2 wins on the weekend mean they are only a couple of wins outside the top 4 so it's hardly too little or too late.

For Knox & Albury however...

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Albury and Knox are done, time to look to next season and build a strategy.

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Happy Days  
Years ago

Trust me SEABL Watcher, wont make it.

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SEABL Watcher  
Years ago

I'm not saying they will or even that it's likely but the possibility is at least still there & on their weekend form things are headed in the right direction (unlike poor old Knox & Albury who seem set to fight over the spoon).

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Happy Days  
Years ago

Window is still open but with two imports playing sore and lack of bench strength they face an uphill battle considering they are only at the halfway mark.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

rumors that Hobart could possibly lose George after this season with him considering possibilities of moving back to Cairns to be closer to family.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Strange his brother is with George in Hobart right now.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Whats the injury with Polk, Happy Days?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

@479002, yes his brother is in Hobart with him at the moment and that is also the reason why Cayla Frances is playing for the Lady Charges. After returning from playing in Europe, Frances went to Hobart with her partner who wanted to spend time with his brother.

Don't forget that Frances has also signed with Townsville to play WNBL, so it might be likely that her partner would go with here up there, and George may decide that heading north is also something to consider because his brother may not be staying in Hobart.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Tell us something we don't know

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Georges partner Ashton is a lady charger also. Just happens her mother, Kim is with ex Lady Chargers coach Dan Krebbs who recently relocated to Cairns for work related reasons.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Oh you mean Dan Krebs.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Happy Days tell us about Polk's injury.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Have you seen his bow legs?? i'm amazed he's lasted this long without serious knee issues.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Yeah strange he's won all those SEABL awards with those legs. So what's your point?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Read my post again Einstein, I said i'm amazed he doesn't have knee issues, given there's a question he might be carrying an injury that's precisely my point.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Well Happy Days has said he has an injury Einstein, you seem to think that with bow legs Polk must have knee injuries.
Let's see what Happy Days says before you jump to a stupid conclusion.

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LC  
Years ago

Round 11 SEABL Recap is now up on PnR:

SEABL Round 11: Frankston Causes Two Upsets while the Rangers' Streak Comes to an End

Coming into the round, the Frankston Blues had lost six straight and were facing the Nunawading Spectres and Mt. Gambier Pioneers, both sides in the top two of their respective conferences. However, an incredible weekend from the Blues saw them win both matches and perhaps get their season on track.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Spell check is a good idea.

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Happy Days  
Years ago

He battles general leg soreness as a result of a long term injury (stress fracture) Struggles to play back to back games.Will be managed for the rest of the season.With Hodgson coming in that will give him a rest as hes had to play big minutes in the 5.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Dr Happy Days.....your diagnosis is incorrect. In fact, I would hasten to say you have simply made this up....he has averaged 22pts 11.2 rebounds in last 8 games

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Anonymous  
Years ago

You are talking absolute rubbish. Everyone knows about Polks legs. Common knowledge.
You are fantasising way to much and you don't post on here with actually knowing the facts.
I spoke to Polk the other night and he assured he is in fine condition. He struggled in the first month just setting in and in fact he has only missed 3 training this season. He would have been luck to have trained 3 times in Hobart if that many!!
The trainings are hard and he assured me he is benefitting from a good training court rather than the shitty hard training court he had in Hobart.
If anything he's fitter than ever before, so please don't come on here stating your fantasies as fact. You have done it before and please don't do it again.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

He looked pretty good on the weekend against Cameron/Conn/Greer then again a day later v Allen/Johnson/Warbout... Leading your team to two wins over the two best teams in the league isn't bad for a guy with bad legs...

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Happy Days  
Years ago

If i told you who provided me with that information then you might change your tune. I said soreness, amazing how all these anonymous people come out of the woodwork.

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paul  
Years ago

Frankston's coach was quoted in the local paper along the same lines as what Happy Days said, so it's hardly a secret.

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HO  
Years ago

I was gunna back you up too HD but was worried 13 people using the same computer would all attack me.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Hahahaha!

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paul  
Years ago

I'd hate to be caught in the middle of that battle to get to the keyboard first!

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Anonymous  
Years ago

"Polk struggling with injury at the moment"

From June 14th HD.

Blisters from new shoes does not equate to "struggling with injury".

He's healthy and playing good ball.

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paul  
Years ago

From the Frankston Leader on 9 June:

Compounding the problem is an injury cloud over the team's leading scorer, Brandon Polk.

"Brandon was a bit banged up. We've just got to nurse him, he's got bad knees, ankles, legs ... generally he's a bit banged up," Giovanonni said.

Page 62 of 9 June edition: http://leader.newspaperdirect.com/epaper/viewer.aspx

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Zing!

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Anonymous  
Years ago

You have conveniently changed Polks status from playing injured as already pointed out to soreness now. Can't have it both ways Hd.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Clearly the leader is writing stuff it doesn't know about. Is happy days a Leader journo?
Someone should tell the Leader and HD that playing sore isn't playing injured.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Banged up and sore is different to injured.

Clearly he's sometimes sore. Everyone knows it, it wasn't an issue from when he was with Hobart.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Pretty sure that was a direct quote from the Coach so i guess he doesn't understand the difference then either. Can't blame people for accepting peoples word.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

There is no quote attached from the coach mentioning injury. His quoted comments reflect soreness only. A journos interpretation on it that's simply wrong.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Ok, so this isn't a quote( notice the "" ""):

"Brandon was a bit banged up. We've just got to nurse him, he's got bad knees, ankles, legs ... generally he's a bit banged up,"

Giovanonni said.

Pretty sure when you say someone has "bad knees, ankles, legs", it means is more than post game soreness but i guess its all semantics, he's playing good ball.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Let's see how he goes against the Cobras Saturday night. I'm expecting another 20/10 performance.
Its a critical game as they need to jump two of the following teams, Cobras, Braves & Chargers to make finals.

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Happy Days  
Years ago

My source wasn't the Leader Newspaper but somebody who should know and if he doesnt nobody will. Polk has had a great season considering he is playing a lone hand in the 5. Whats his average minutes per game?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

I spoke to Polk personally and he ain't injured. NO semantics about it.

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Tiger Watcher  
Years ago

Sounds like he is a little banged up...which alot of guys are this time of year, esp big guys who bang bodies and do the bullocking work like he does.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

The Sandringham Sabres have made the difficult decision to change the coaching structure of their SEABL women's program. We met with Paul Flynn last night to advise him of the programs intended direction and have parted amicably. We thank Paul for the commitment he has provided the Sabres in his time with the Sabres.
Paul Graham has been appointed as the new Coach of the SEABL Women's program. Coach Graham has been with Sandringham Sabres as a coach for over 11 years, and has been Head Coach of the Youth League team for the past two. Last year he took his team to the very top, wining the Victoria Youth League title as the underdogs, and collecting BVYC Coach of the Year honours along the way. Paul will continue to enjoy the experience of current Assistant Coaches Michelle O’Connor and Warren Brown.

Replacing Paul as the BVYC’s coach is Arran Batish, ably assisted by Ryan Heggart. Coach Batish has been coaching in the Sabres Junior program for three years, winning the Victoria Championship title with his U20 girls team in 2013. He has gained much experience in his short time as a coach, and has been a regular with the Sabres Early Morning Elite program and Sabres Shooting School, as well as doing individuals with up and coming players.

Both appointments reflect the aim of the Sabres program, to provide a development pathway for both our players and coaches.

For more information please contact Bill Runchey, Sabres Head Coach

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Things going down at Sandringham!!!

Flynn should have stayed at Dandenong?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Always things going down at every club/association, Which club hasn't got things going down?
Best thing Flynn ever did for himself was leave Dandenong.
It's a shame people don't know the truth about why he did leave.

He will find a new home soon enough.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

It's a shame things didn't work out at Sandringham.

He was good enough to coach VIC Metro to a win at u18 Nationals though!

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Think you will find it's not the coach that was the problem at sandringham, Paul Flynn is a good coach but when a team won't play as a team that's when nothing you do helps apart from get rid of the players but when contracts are signed that's not possible so coach goes. Flynn should have stayed at dandenong and ignored managements issues.

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anon  
Years ago

Happy Days is an authority on everything. Don't comment against him cause Isaac will forget his moderator role and expose you.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Is there management issues at Rangers? How so? They seem to be signing heaps of players and doing ok in SEABL men/women?
Seems as though Flynn was caretaking SEABL job for Anderson anyway.

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Happy Days  
Years ago

First person that gets blamed when things go wrong is the coach.How often do you see players getting sacked apart from imports.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Still ignoring your injured comments Polk issue HD.
No one respects your comments any more in fact most have ignored them for ages. Yet again you post a comment that is really meaningless when it's all said and done.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

I wonder if Abbey Bishop gig in TAS came with a Nanny in Launceston??

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HO  
Years ago

#479398

Let it go. Your semantic absurdity aside, HD has pretty much proved to be right from what I can see.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

No semantics at all. I spoke to Polk personally and he is fine. How often do I have to say it? Please pick up the phone and talk to him likeI have.
Hoe and HD are really on the same page. 2 experts on everything without knowing the truth.
PM me and I will give you Polk's number.

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HO  
Years ago

#479401

Sorry, HD is one of the more reasonable posters here. He has reported here pretty much what his coach has been quoted in the media as saying - that the hell is wrong with that?

If you are the one carrying on about "banged up", "sore" and "injured" then it is just semantics.

It doesn't matter that you spoke to Polk. It doesn't matter what he allegedly said to you, if you are the same anon as above then a) get a login so we can discuss it with you properly and b) get over it the semantic stuff. Its not like HD has come here and launched an extraordinary series of outlandsih accusations about Polk.

For the record I know nothing of the Polk situation, don't know him and have never seen him play so i claim no expertise whatsoever.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Excellent thanks for your meaningless contribution to this convo.
HD reads a bit and posts on what he's read with no real understanding of the real situation. Trust me I spoke to Polk and HD is taking shit. As are you.

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HO  
Years ago

#479403

And that was a "meaningful" contribution? Great.

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Isaac  
Years ago

Happy Days is an authority on everything. Don't comment against him cause Isaac will forget his moderator role and expose you.
It was nothing to do with 'commenting against Happy Days', it was because you changed aliases multiple times and then pretended you were other people to act as though you had support for your position. And then lied about it.

Those doing things like that have been outed (nothing to do with exposing) for 10 years on this forum. If you don't like it, go somewhere else or maybe pick an alias and stick with it.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Sandringham players might be contracted, but so is the coach.
Obviously they must have plenty of money down there to be able to pay out a coach half a year into a 3 year contract.

http://dandenong.starcommunity.com.au/journal/2013-11-25/flynn-wields-sabres/

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Well let's hope for sandringhams sake the next coach can get these players to play as a team instead of a bunch of individuals. Bet the former coach has given a sigh of relief heo longer has to deal with them lol

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Tiger Watcher  
Years ago

Sandy also got rid of the mens import only 2 weeks ago so coin isn't the issue!

Sounds like the club have some issues around recruitment of players in both mens/womens whom fit the program direction.

From talking with a few of the men in the program the training venue/situation isn't ideal as they train over in Dandy plus they can't attract depth/local quality to the team.

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Mysac  
Years ago

Isacc,With Power comes great responsibility!!
Use it wisely son.

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Anon  
Years ago

Mysac - my son of wisdom.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

The players recruited in the women's program were recruited before Flynn too over , well best part of them anyway. They cannot and will not play team defence, and they play for themselves not for the team or coach. They should have cut the players, they can't make finals now anyway, so cut them loose and give the younger ones a go to gain experience for next year. The coach who has now taken over from Flynn only won last yrs VYCW because the dande coach made huge errors in keeping certain players on the CRT who caused issued last yr, noticeable by their absence in this yrs team who are kicking butt every week.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Flynn's team at Sabres is decent and he bought a few players with him from Rangers. Noticeably one of the Rangers Junior bigs Meiking.

Not sure I agree Flynn didn't recruit, however agree the team has issues. No doubt Runchy and him may have knocked heads and politics might be playing a part.

Feel sorry for him having to deal with Rangers mess/politics and now Sabres.
He's a great guy and loves hoops. Shame some opportunities don't allow Head Coaches to manage players/culture.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

He only took two deery and Meiking who was one of his juniors because they really didn't have a spot for her at dande with having Sherf I would imagine the rest were already signed But agree the combination of personalities on that team would not be great. Hopefully he gets a better gig for next year, one that allows him to coach his way not what is dictated by outside influences.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Flynn's options are running out. Leaving Rangers as an employee and coach, having issues at Sabres, he might have to stick at sucking up to BV and BA for coaching gigs. Thus far Flynn has be gifted top teams in juniors and looks to struggle at senior level.
Running into politics will cost him opportunities.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Being successful at this level as a Coach is as much about playing the politics well as it is about being a good Coach.

Get either wrong and you'll get knifed.

Every club has their political issues and problems, you just have to work out who's up who early on.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Is it too late for Sandringham to pick up Brigitte Ardossi?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Flynn was care taking at Dandenong whilst Anderson took a year off to focus on her family - he didn't leave because there were issues, he left because it was Anderson's team to return to. He wanted to continue coaching at SEABL level so had to find a new club. He could have stayed at Dandenong had he not wanted to pursue SEABL opportunities, or more so would have stayed had opportunities not been presented.

Let's not pool his entire senior coaching career into whatever has transpired at Sandringham. Whilst care taking Dandenong, they got to a Preliminary Final. Plenty of teams don't get that far. And I'm sure he had a reasonable coaching record in Youth League before that.

I don't know what constitutes being 'gifted top teams' but from what I've witnessed, he works hard to get the best out of the players he has. Yes, he has had some talent to work with but anyone with half a brain or an iota of experience in sport knows that talent doesn't automatically equal wins.

I think it's a shame to see a young coach be moved on mid season but sometimes that's just the way things happen. I'm sure he'll stay involved somewhere, at some level.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

looks like Hobart have found themselves a dud. zac white far from impressive tonight! 2 points @ 14% :/

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Great effort by Mt Gambier keeping Hobart to 25 second half points!

Canberra also coming from behind to beat NW Tasmania.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Ardor so plays bigv champ for Waverley

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Thunder will always implode. Chargers choke after scoring 52 in the first half.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Did chargers choke or did conference championship favorite Mt Gambier pick up their defence? Maybe they deserve some credit?

NW Tasmania do not look like imploding, a close loss tonight on the road. Becoming hard to win in Canberra once again.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

She used to play for Waverley. Mid-week meeting saw that change.

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anon  
Years ago

Isacc?

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ANON  
Years ago

Crazy ending in the CANB v NWT Tas game last night.

Kudos to the gunners and Green for making the pass with seconds left after the double team to get Jackson free in the corner for the long (foot on the line) 3... Even if it did rim out and back in :/

Tyrone Lee into foul trouble killed NWT. Was getting what he wanted in the low post all night.

Tas struggling with injury at the moment. Brad Simpson out for a month (Starting C), Chilcott (Bench rotation player and Kyle Clarke (Aus U17 camp) all out this weekend.

Matt Parker played his first game in several years last night for NWT. Stalwart of the NWBU comp, and played for 4-5 years some years ago.

Gunners appear to have tweaked their offense in the last month - Green isn't chucking up shots at will.



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Anonymous  
Years ago

Couple of starters missing for NW Tas hurts!! Would hurt any team.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Zac white. Someone said he could play but...

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Choppy Galopy  
Years ago

Cracker between Supercats and Miners. Cats by 2 in O/T. Miners lost Booker at end of reg with injury.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Both Booker and Mercer left the game early with injury. Both may be done for the season. Scans for both will tell the story early in the week.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Whats happening with the Braves?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Vigor did not play for Braves, that's got to be part of the problem. Any team missing a top 3 player is at a huge disadvantage.

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And add in going 4 of 21 from 3 and 11 of 24 from the charity stripe will as the Braves did will struggle.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

What a game the Supercats and the Miners, cats up by 20 in the first quarter with the miners never say die fought back to get 6 points ahead, then with 3 minutes remaining the miners championship chance may of come to an end with the injury to the short price favourite to win this years MVP, Booker taken to hospital with what might be a season ending injury,a few coachers may be releaved as he has dominated all the major championship sides and was instrumental to what would of been another major upset over the supercats last night until the injury- its going to put a lot of pressure on Horton the remaining import- such a shame to loose such a quality player,all the best with your recovery.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Mercer also went down with injury. Could prove to be a very costly game for both teams.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Looks like White didn't play for Hobart.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Dandenong with two training runs this weekend!

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SEABL Watcher  
Years ago

I'd say Dandenong would put a lot more effort into their training runs than they had to put in for their 2 games this weekend. Today especially looked like a cakewalk.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Yes they could have won by 40 last night but put the cue in the rack early.

What's the prognosis on Booker and Mercer?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Both would expect to have scans today,looks like Achilles for both- Mounts price to win the championship will shorten if both of these stars are out for the season. A real shame to loose such great players.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Rangers have the best player in the league. Montreal is too good for SEABL and Lewis compliments ideally.
Credit to the people who got Montreal and Lewis!

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Happy Days  
Years ago

Mercer announced on twitter torn achillies. Most probably the same for Booker.Phones will be running hot tonight looking for replacements.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Too late to replace players, they wont qualify for finals.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

not too late. they need to play 11 games to qualify and both teams have 11 games left. so agree phones will be running hot!!!

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Need to suit up this weekend though, good luck getting clearance and immigration paperwork and flights organized in 4 days.

Only hope is NBL players sitting around doing nothing.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Geelong might start asking for their matches at Ballarat to be in the first month of the season so it gives them a chance to find a replacement for injuries - Barrett did his ACL there 2 years ago, and Mercer his achillies on Sat night, and both too late in the season to find replacements. Hasn't been a happy place to walk away from over recent years - rather an L registered beside the team, then season ending injuries to players.

Hope its better news for Booker - but if both players have torn achillies, when was the last time anyone can remember 1 happening in a game let alone 2 of them.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Geelong is looking for a replacement:
Mr. Anglin confirmed the search for a replacement import was underway.

"We need to have someone in uniform for the match against Dandenong on Saturday night for them to be able to qualify for finals," he said.

“If we are unable to secure a replacement by then, it won't be possible to replace Mike due to rules surrounding playoff qualification.”

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Interesting that Hobart only lost to the Mount by 4. White rolled his ankle in the first half apparently and eventually over ran the Chargers due to numbers nothing more. Down the stretch I suspect they will be found out.
The talk of better D etc seems to be simply guesswork.

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Happy Days  
Years ago

Would Kevin Braswell be an option for Geelong as hes only across the ditch.Could be here in a day and should be able to get his paperwork through in time.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

SCANS on Ballarat Miners' star import Roy Booker for his injured Achilles tendon have been pushed back.
Booker was initially scheduled to have an MRI yesterday afternoon.
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Not ideal for Ballarat as the delay in scans & results is going to delay them being able to act on signing a replacement if Booker is out for the season.

Would think that both clubs may have started initial searches over the weekend should the news not be good; after yesterday's results Geelong has at least been able to move forward with their search but Ballarat is in limbo until they receive Bookers results unless they expect the worse, get everything agreed to other than having paperwork signed.

Interesting thing for Geelong is they only had 11 players signed for the season, so with Mike going down they have the option for an import replacement, but they can also look at signing another local as well. Might be interesting if they decide to look at that as an option and potentially sign 2 players prior to Sat night.

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LC  
Years ago

Round 12 Recap is now up on PnR:

SEABL Round 12: Thunder Lose Two Heart-Breakers while the Capitals Break Their Duck

Sitting atop the South Conference at the beginning of the round, the N/W Tasmania Thunder came crashing back to Earth with two heartbreaking losses to the Canberra Gunners and Brisbane Spartans.

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Tiger Watcher  
Years ago

If your the Miners surely you are working on a replacement regardless of the scan results...best to have an option ready to roll rather than waiting around on medical results.

It begs the question i guess is how can geelong get it done so quickly and Miners still be waiting?

Interesting to see what Geelong do....there are a few Aussie options floating around but import options are limited and paperwork/immagration can often take longer than a week.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

BALLARAT Miners will start the hunt for a new import to replace injured star Roy Booker.

The Miners are still waiting to learn the full extent of Booker's injury with scans early this week indicating a likely Achilles tear, which will mean a probable six to eight weeks on the sidelines.

There are eight weeks to play in the South East Australian Basketball season - the Miners have 11 games to play and are sizing up east conference finals.

Miners coach David Flint said Booker would consult more specialists this week and the Miners would continue to work closely on what was best for Booker.

They also need someone to help fill the void. The club was working quickly to put plans in place.

"We are going to try and bring in someone in Roy's place either for the short term or the rest of the year - we don't know yet, that depends on Roy. This could be someone out here now or we may have to bring someone out from the (United) States," Flint said.

"It looks like it's just a tear, not a rupture, which is good for Roy's long term career.

"If things go well, we're hope to have Roy back here next year."

Booker sustained the injury when he moved to push off and drive down the court, deep in the fourth quarter against Geelong at the Minerdome on Saturday night.

The Miners lost by two points in overtime, but both teams were hurt with news emerging on Monday that the Supercats' star import Mike Mercer had ruptured his Achilles in a similar fashion in the extra period.

Mercer took to social media on Twitter to wish Booker well: "It really sucks that such a GREAT GAME had to end like that man".

Booker has quickly become a SEABL favourite with fans and had been highly touted to win most valuable player honours in his debut season.

The American has averaged 28.6 points per game - twice chalking up 40-point games in the past month - and 6.9 assists per game, twice winning league player of the week honours and was the SEABL player of the month for May.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

If they bring in a restricted player to replace Booker and he recovers he can't play again this season even if he's ok anyway because he will have to requalify which wont be possible. (his games played cancel out if another restricted player is registered).

Stupid scenario but that's the rules.

So they need to think carefully about replacing him with a restricted player.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

They already have a replacement player! Announcement soon.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

they - being Geelong or Ballarat?

Geelong have said "big news day... stay tuned :)" on twitter, but that could be about anything with some of their announcements.

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Happy Days  
Years ago

Sounds like things are moving fast.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Ballarat replacement import to play on Saturday-
Hopefully Ballarat gets Booker back next year,one of the best imports to play seabll, would of been great to watch him play Nbl.

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Happy Days  
Years ago

Ballarats new import: http://www.dyricusedwards.championsagency.com/

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Geelongs new import:

The McDonald's Geelong Supercats have moved swiftly to replace injured import Mike Mercer, announcing the signing of Anthony White Jnr.

Mercer will miss the rest of the 2014 SEABL season after scans confirmed on Monday he ruptured his right Achilles tendon in Saturday night’s overtime win over Ballarat.

White Jnr. guard joins Geelong straight out of college, where he spent his junior and senior years at Mercer University in the Atlantic Sun conference.

The 188cm guard helped the Bears qualify for this year’s NCAA Tournament for the first time since 1985, where they knocked out Duke in the first round, before falling to Tennessee in the round of 32.

A native of Indianapolis, Indiana, the 21-year-old averaged 8.5 points, 2.4 rebounds and 1.1 assists in his senior year, as well as being named to the Atlantic Sun all-defensive team.

http://www.foxsportspulse.com/assoc_page.cgi?client=1-8823-0-0-0&&news_task=DETAIL&articleID=30276659

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Happy Days  
Years ago

Thats the 3rd Mercer player out here this year. Calvin Henry in Big V, one in SBL and now one in Geelong.

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anonymous  
Years ago

must have plenty of money at geelong funded by the exorbitant entry prices they charge no doubt

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Bear  
Years ago

With the season getting to the pointy end soon this was a great move and as usual the Supercats have acted swiftly with due dilligence, well done and can't wait to see his baptism of fire against a difficult opponent in Dandenong...

We all wish Mike Mercer the very best in his recovery and appreciate everything he has brought to SEABL basketball and the Geelong community in his time here over the past couple of season, we will miss you Mike but we know you will be watching!

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Solid Moves  
Years ago

Geelong needed to move quick considering Nunawading's depth and the fact Dandenong are looking once again like a championship team. Ballarat are to be commended for their new signing and their treatment, care, concern for welfare and love of Roy Booker. At all times was his welfare paramount to that club. Lovely bloke as well - it really is a shame.. Pitty he wasn't over here 5 years ago!

Some good news for the Miners is that Ken Horton has only scratched the surface. A bigger role for him should be great... Just check his former numbers, i reckon off the top of my head he's led every overseas team he's played in for points. If Horton can lift another gear and this new fella balls then it's still all systems go at the Minerdome. Fisher has improved out of sight, Sobey is a gun and the other young locals seem to be doing really well. Future is bright there... Pitty the weather isnt!

Cant count Geelong out but you just wonder if their chemistry was their biggest plus? Wonderful coach, very committed players who appear to be gelled to my non-supercats-family-eye. Could a new import change that enough for them to drop a few games? Dandenong are coming hard and are my pick for the conference flag. Can't nobody stop DQ... Nobody at all! If he's not in the NBL this coming season then that competition has lost me forever! He's the MVP and if you'd like to argue that fact then I'm all ears!

Best wishes to both Booker and Mercer.. I think the fact that they're so great on the court and also for the club community is what makes this hurt most.

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Tiger Watcher  
Years ago

The Supercats put on a great show and always seem to have a pretty full house so i guess they can charge what they like as people tend to vote with there feet!

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Anonymous  
Years ago

What is going on at the seabl office? How can 1st vs 3rd Geelong vs dandenong not get game of the week? 9 game wining streak up against a 5 game winning streak with dandy smacking everyone they play? Seems a bit funny to me?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Why would they even contemplate the Ballarat thing given last weeks circumstances.
Unless of course they know the new Ballarat import will be cleared in time.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

According to an article in the Mercury today the Chargers recent slide has been caused by two naughty little teenagers!!

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Anonymous  
Years ago

The Mercury article has nothing to do with two "naughty" teenagers. Both players are quality individuals and train every week. Coach is justifying playing his son ahead of them.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Feel for Mercer, never good to have such a serious injury BUT why all this rubbish about him being "great for the community" of Geelong?? RUBBISH.

One of those posters tell me what Mike did for the Geelong 'community' in his time at Geelong?

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Tiger Watcher  
Years ago

@Anon bit harsh to have a crack a Mercer.

Seemed like a good guy and probably did some clinics etc, so doing the right thing by the community is often about point of view.

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Happy Days  
Years ago

They wouldn't of brought him back for a 2nd year if he wasnt ticking all the boxes off the court.

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HO  
Years ago

480205 asks a reasonable question.

I have no idea of the answer for this player but you do hear of some guys who are absolutely fantastic in their communities and some who just do nothing and some who just trash it.

Would be interested to hear about which current SEABL imports really go out of their way to embrace their local communities....

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HO  
Years ago

I disagree with that HD - it depends on which faction is controlling a club at the time. There have been lots of imports who get brought back just because they can genuinely play - the coach has a stronger voice than the club, or the ego of the club at the time is all about winning etc.

Again, not commenting on this situation specifically, but Geelong has been through a couple of changes of management in the last two years, how would we know what the current group are focused on?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

I agree he is a nice guy but I live in Geelong and I have seen nothing this year outside of the paid camps from the Supercats club which I get bombarded with.

My son is in high school and daughter in primary school and they have both had the Stingrays imports at their schools already this year in their community program. They brought home stickers and posters] and they both raved about the players who visited.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Brad Bridgewater was the best SEABL Import i've ever seen for embracing community involvement. Class person and great club ambassador.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Why the Spanish Inquisition, can't people just appreciate the guy? I don't see any need whatsoever any post here needs to justify Mike's time in Geelong or what he could have done to impress certain people.

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Happy Days  
Years ago

Factions certainly come into it but i was talking more about there qualities as a person and whether there meeting there obligations off the court. Alot of them fail in that area and i wonder why they dont get invited back. All clubs talk amongst themselves.

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HO  
Years ago

#480243

let me explain it for you.

Bear (you can read it above) made a post about the guys impact on the Geelong Community - Bear is happy with that and that's cool.

Anon #480205 disputed that statement.

I think 480205's post was pretty aggressive, but when boiled down the question is ok - its hardly a "Spanish inquisition" (which obviously NOBODY expected).

I've tried to steer the discussion in a slightly different direction asking general questions about imports in the league and how much impact they have in the community.

Your response is pretty defensive. I don't think anyone is down on the guy, or has shown a lack of appreciation. However, as an import player, paid to play the game and promote the game presumably, its as reasonable to ask how well he does that as to how well he shoots the three ball... and its a reasonable question to ask of any import player, except a centre, cause we want him in the paint not shooting the three..

That is sorta why it is being discussed.... just so you know.

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Bear  
Years ago

Thanks HO, forgot to log in, the post was mine and maybe on the face of it may have appeared defensive.

Not really intended that way, however my thoughts for Mike are genuine and if people read that post again they could identify some key words...

I have expressed that Mike brought something to SEABL and the local community...

That he did, no matter what he may or may not have done outside of basketball, his job was to entertain and be a quality player on the court first and foremost, I believe he did that in spades.

As far as I am concerned he was a model citizen and great bloke, generally a quiet type and well respected by his peers.

I will leave it to others in a better position than I to perhaps make mention of things he did off the court, however I don't think it responsible to single him out in this manner, especially in these circumstances.

Maybe we can start a new thread, 'Which SEABL Imports Gave Their Club Most Community Value'?

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Happy Days  
Years ago

Best Community Value- a couple that come to mind include leaving his car broken down in the middle of the 3 lane highway at 3am, selling a rent a car,saying he has a sick relative never to be seen again,having a brawl with the local bouncers and getting locked up.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

HD, that narrows it down to 100... LOL

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Tiger Watcher  
Years ago

@ HD - there are pletny of horror stories out there...the old host family that are happily married then the Wife gets prego....9 months later the baby is a little more tanned than he should have been

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Easy to spot a stingrays poster or two here, any reason to attack Supercats.

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Happy Days  
Years ago

Tigerwatcher thats a classic.Theres also one story i heard about an import who at a sponsors dinner decided to put his snag on a serving plate much to the tables horror.He thought it was funny but i dont think they did.This was many moons ago.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Classic urban myth

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Happy Days  
Years ago

Was the imports initials RS?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

All that was asked was to provide some substance to the statement from someone in the know as to WHAT Mercer actually did be represented as 'doing so much for the community' - that's all.

It has in turn pretty much been identified he did his job on the floor, not a lot off it (not his fault by any stretch) and the statement was a throwaway line.

Wish him all the best in his recovery.

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Tiger Watcher  
Years ago

Plenty of funny/crazy stories about imports past and present that are a good laugh.

Also plenty of imports who do the right thing and are good news stories for what they have done and some even stay and make a life out here so it all evens out if you take the good with the bad.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

What did Mercer do?
On top of his outstanding on court performance on game day and a daily training regiment to prepare for the games. He coached at basketball camps, school clinics, development camps/sessions, attended public events and charity vents as a representative of the Supercats... What else do you want him to do? Cure cancer?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

New Ballarat import

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iUXUxPx1e2k

Has already had practice with the team and ready for Nunawading this weekend.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Thought it was Gary Ervin

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Anonymous  
Years ago

please tap chargers coach on shoulder time out and sub!!! Mark Nash you need to coach mens program as well.

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^^^ starting to think the same...time to step aside paul

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Hobart will be gone in 12 months or 40 year olds will be playing!!!Simply no future in Tas

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Anonymous  
Years ago

I tell you who gets off lightly is the Bandits, what a fall from grace. Great the season they won it, had the best PG in the league and were playing good basketball.
Chalmers has made mistake after mistake since with his import selection and the team don't look interested.
Not many teams win or make a GF and then struggle for seasons after to even just be competitive.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Bendigo women too, stacked roster and struggle to win. They should be beating most teams by 15+.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Chalmers rode on the back of Ferguson and MOMO and since then, poor import selections and all the talk and spin by his media supporter at the local rag shouldn't cut it any more.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Agree - but he is safe as the club admin and him are mates.
Must admit he's 100 times better than the previous!

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Anonymous  
Years ago

When they won the championship, Chalmers was boasting about how he'd restored pride to the club but after a mediocre season in 2013 they are now the joke of the league again. They've won just 3 games and 2 of those were against the CoE kids.

I agree that Ferguson was the key to their championship and losing him was at least in part due to some inept player management, much of which you can thank Chalmers for. The injury to Momo in a meaningless preseason game last year was the next blow that put an end to their chances of defending the title. They still had some reasonable players in the team yet never again clicked like they did in the championship year - they lost their mojo and their Momo

Chalmers basked in the accolades of coach of the year when they were winning but when that stopped the following season it was all the players fault. I judge a coach by how both the team and individual players improve under them and on that basis alone, I rate Chalmers a failure. The success of 2012 was due to an almost entirely new starting 5 that included 2 super imports along with a couple of recruits from Sydney who were a good fit with the imports and local veteran Nick Payne. In reality it was that group that won the title with only a couple of the bench getting much burn. Chalmers can take little credit for the championship aside from his role in recruiting. Since the title, the remaining players have gone backwards as has the team and that is everybody's fault except his own if you believe Chalmers. He is constantly blaming the players for the team's poor results but he makes some terrible subs that kill the momentum of the team and that would no doubt have players lacking motivation. He then gives them a spray in the local paper after every loss which I'm sure they really love to read. No matter how badly they play and the obvious defficiencies in import recruiting, player motivation and game tactics, Chalmers escapes any criticism, courtesy of his buddy who won't ever print anything negative about him.

The Pioneers need to be worried they couldn't beat them by more than 18 points.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Pioneers are certainly beatable and right now Spectres should be favourites.

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SEABL Watcher  
Years ago

Not a happy camp right now according to this:
http://www.bordermail.com.au/story/2380036/albury-wodonga-bandits-time-to-shape-up-coach-says/?cs=10

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Time for Chalmers to walk. Blame the players that YOU selected? Oh please. You can't go from front page news to fish and chip wrappers and keep blaming the players. Ever since their lucky championship Chalmers has blamed the players for their poor success. They lost Jazz because of money and the rest is history. Poor import selections ever since is a key factor in their demise and who selects them?

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Happy Days  
Years ago

I agree the coach is in the gun but who is going to replace him Nick Payne? Difficuilt to recruit coaches unless you can throw in a job especially in a regional centre.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Stay with him then back to the good old days of guaranteed wins.

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SEABL Watcher  
Years ago

The good old days are already back it seems.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Albury V Knox for the Spoon, where's your money??

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SEABL Watcher  
Years ago

Albury have to be favourites with Knox holding the head to head 2-0.

If it wasn't for Albury playing CoE twice, it wouldn't even be a contest.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Yes and once the CoE leave before the season is over Chalmers can brag next season about getting to W's over a side that shouldn't be in the SEABL.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Bandits getting belted again!

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Still as expected, it must be the players fault

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Interesting to see Tony Lewis continues to be the best import at Dandenong this year, this time destroying Geelong.

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Happy Days  
Years ago

Whats the story with CJ in Brisbane?

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SEABL Watcher  
Years ago

Goos question... doesn't seem to have been a good move for CJ or Brisbane.

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SEABL Watcher  
Years ago

Knox looking like they could use CJ back too. Miners look like handing them an absolute flogging... currently 53-18 with 3 minutes to play in the 2nd qtr.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

"Chalmers basked in the accolades of coach of the year when they were winning but when that stopped the following season it was all the players fault. I judge a coach by how both the team and individual players improve under them and on that basis alone, I rate Chalmers a failure. The success of 2012 was due to an almost entirely new starting 5 that included 2 super imports along with a couple of recruits from Sydney who were a good fit with the imports and local veteran Nick Payne. In reality it was that group that won the title with only a couple of the bench getting much burn. Chalmers can take little credit for the championship aside from hi The sooner Steves role in recruiting."
Sums it up perfectly. The sooner Steve Smith stops writing fluff, Chalmers supporting articles the better. There in lies some of the problem.

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Happy Days  
Years ago

No imports for Knox today...

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Sacked??

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Happy Days  
Years ago

Zero game time.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Knox thumped, no imports? What's going on??

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Anon  
Years ago

Imports went to SBC instead of Ballarat. Quality program that.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

If that's true that's a disgrace. How on earth can the imports go to the wrong venue given they played in Ballarat??

Do they not go up as a group? Or at the very least discuss the details of the road trip with the 2 people who have never played in the league before??
Clearly there is issues.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Not all teams travel as a group for intrastate events. Maybe someone involved with the team should have ensured they knew exactly where the game was to be played? So many people seem to have an opinion without knowing the way it actually works.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Of course someone is responsible for ensuring the imports who would have no idea where Ballarat is let alone how to get there and how long it will take.

Some one is ultimately responsible for this failure.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

***Gobsmacked*** Wow...

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Amazing but also somehow not surprising?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

What is the excuse from Knox to not have Wilson & Richards suiting up for the women the last 2 weeks?
Are they going to try and suggest that those 2 didn't know where today's match was to be played or how to get to the stadium?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Why no Wilson or Richards for Knox women? Are they fine for the year to focus on World Champs?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Not sure - but when you consider that Zavec & Francis who had both been at the same Opals camp then suited up for Nunawading on the Sat night & Hobart on the Sunday afternoon respectively, why no Wilson & Richards when Knox had started stringing a few wins together?
Then this week you have Bec Allen suit up for Nunawading & Francis again suited up for Hobart and both have been named in the next Opals camp along with Wilson & Richards - if instructions had come the top to rest potential World Championship squad members, wouldn't that include all who have been named in the next 15-man squad and not just a couple?

Maybe a few more issues at Knox then just not letting the imports know where the game was to be played?

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Vic_dude  
Years ago

Amazing re Knox imports. I've seen a few games this year, and been impressed with Delwan, good energy on court. Jeff Jones...not so much.

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sportsfan  
Years ago

Kelly Wilson & Gab Richards got injured at the last opals camp and had been told they arnt allowed to play as it was done during the camp. thats why they missed last 2 weeks and will prob miss there next weekends games as opals camp is from Sunday

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Anonymous  
Years ago

thanks for the update - pity no where else that stuff gets reported

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Anonymous  
Years ago

SBC is only just over an hr to ballarat straight up freeway, surely they need to be at game at least an hr before start, so if they turned up at SBC and no one else was there they could use the mobile phones that one would imagine are supplied or at least paid for by Knox and then got into the cars that again would be covered by knox I would imagine also and driven to ballarat to at least get there to play before half time......but then that would mean communicating.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

So if you turn up at SBC 1 hr before tip off and its an hour to Ballarat how is that possible?
Incidentally it's more than 1 hour from there and generally players pay their own mobile costs.

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SEABL Watcher  
Years ago

Google maps says 1hr 38min without traffic.

If they were at the SBC an hour before tip-off then you'd expect them to get to the Minerdome by half time.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

SMH Knox! Ultimately it's someone's fault and the imports aren't to blame. Even though they are grown men they have never been to Australia before so I'm pretty sure they have never been to Ballarat. Somebody should have arranged to take them to the game. Coach????

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Happy Days  
Years ago

Shannahan wont be at Knox next year as a coach. Put your house on it.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

When your having a bad season on the court you learn the most about people and programs.

Every club has their ups and downs.

While the results are not going your way it's how you manage the rest of the things you can control that becomes vital.

Leaders step up, you go over board to keep morale up and keep the playing group tight.

Or you let things fall apart, cut corners and loose interest. communication and concern are normally the first things that go out the window when groups become fractured and dysfunctional.

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Kingston  
Years ago

At least BF the white knight will return to Knox this evening and put all things right in the world. Count on that.

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Tiger Watcher  
Years ago

Really can't believe that this happened...has it been confirmed? If it has someone needs to be accountable.

If knox do change the coach I’m not sure a lot of people are going to put there hand up…..let be honest it was the best job in SEABL for a long period but until the back office shuffles out it is probably the poison chalice for at least 2/3 more years so any potential coaches would at least 2/3 year contract.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Is "The Flog" now posting Anonymous? Should spend more time keeping his board together! Even his mates jumping off the ship at Rangers.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

If they weren't on the score sheet half time wouldn't matter. In fact after 1/2 time they might not be allowed to play even if they were on the score sheets

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Anonymous  
Years ago

In fact you have no clue about Basketball, your saying that if you haven't taken the court prior to half time you cannot play after half time even if your name is on the sheet? SMH!

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Tiger Watcher  
Years ago

It isn't domestic bball! Guys play only spot mins late in games all the time

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Anon  
Years ago

Word is the white knight will slip from his saddle tonight...........

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Unfortunately for Matt he will have to shoulder responsibility for this one.

The buck stops with the head coach for these things.

Even if one of the assistants or the team manager was deputized with the responsibility of communicating these details he should be double checking.

Surely one of the coaching staff or team manager would have inquired with the imports prior to sunday to make sure they knew how to get to Ballarat?

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SEABL Watcher  
Years ago

It's generally the team manager who'd take care of details like making sure players knew where/when to turn up but the buck will likely stop with the coach.

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Tiger Watcher  
Years ago

Knox attended the Nunawading Vs Miners game on saturday night from all reports....if the above is true you'd think someone might have mentioned in passing that they weren't playing at home!

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Tiger Watcher  
Years ago

Plus it is only 1 hour 30 min drive so surely they still could have gotten to the game in ballarat!

Most teams get to the venue at least an hour and a half early....enough time to get there.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

If no one from either the coaching staff (there's bloody 4 of them), team manager or any of their team mates either inquired if they knew how to get there or asked if they needed a lift then it says a lot about the dynamic of the group.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Seriously, they are 3-13, who cares if their imports play or don't play or who should take them blame... Their season is over.

Let's talk about the race for the title!

Is Dandenong now favourite to repeat after soundly beating Geelong?
Or is Nunawading still everyone favourite to take it out after smacking Ballarat?
Are Ballarat and Geelong any chance to come close to these two?

On the other side, will anyone challenge Mt Gambier?
Can NW Tasmania keep winning? Took care if Bendigo pretty easily!
Are Canberra now a smokey in that Conference?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

When did Dandenong "soundly" beat Geelong? Dandenong had a 10point win on their home court, and watching the game, Geelong had their chances and will be pissed off that poor foul shooting has finally cost them a game this year. If a 10pt win is now soundly beating the opposition, what would you call the 27point win to Geelong over the Rangers at the start of the season?


Don't forget Geelong had White Jnr playing his first game for with the team, having stepped off the plane earlier in the day and he wasn't too bad - bought some good energy, got some speed about him and it will be good to see how the he & the team gels after a some training sessions and a few more games.

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Tiger Watcher  
Years ago

Geelong will be tough once there line-up settle in...they'll get home finals so you'd think they are still in the box seat.

Nunawading & Dandy are the big threats..Dandy probably have the only guy (DQ) who can go off for huge numbers any given night of the three main contenders and is he gets hot they are tough to beat.

Mt G are in the box seat to take out the conference...can't see them winning the league...but should canter thru to the conference finals as can't see any real consistant challange to them.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

To be honest about that Geelong v Dandenong game, with what Geelong had to overcome beforehand I would expect a Geelong win would have been amazing.

They will improve, no doubt it is a two horse race in the East, anyone thinking the Rangers are home is getting just a little ahead of themselves.

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sportsfan  
Years ago

i saw Sandringham v Albury men & Ballarat v Knox men

whats everyones thoughts on the new Sandringham import & the Ballarat imports ??

this weekend Knox men have Frankston away friday then Mt Gambier at home on Saturday wouldnt anyone else think this could be a blow out weekend for them

was good to see in results Nunawading only going getting up in overtime over Ballarat women Sat night & also Frankston women getting it done in Brisbane was a shock to me as well

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Happy Days  
Years ago

Bendigo any chance with Wilcher settling into the line up.Seem to lack a bit of cohesion but could do some damage in the playoffs.

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Happy Days  
Years ago

Knox imports did get to Ballarat, only problem was it wasnt until the 2nd half. You'll see them appear in the 2nd half on the bench:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0UezeeOU2k&feature=youtu.be

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Anonymous  
Years ago

"In fact you have no clue about Basketball, your saying that if you haven't taken the court prior to half time you cannot play after half time even if your name is on the sheet? SMH!"

"Knox imports did get to Ballarat, only problem was it wasn't until the 2nd half.

SMH indeed!!!

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Anonymous  
Years ago

"The Flog" gone undercover! Bring back your identity so we can all laugh at the crap you keep posting!
Your disorder humors all.

As the LOSER in charge, I recall when DQ and Tony arrived you made public comments "They weren't up to it"!!!after a few games Much like everything you say and do EGG on your face.

Rangers have a solid if not best 4 combo in the league DQ/Lewis/Harms/Odige. Hobba as a six man can support adds size and experience. Enge plays a roll with Campbell and Barker (another one of your puppets kids) chipping in! For another Title Harms needs to be fit and DQ must fire as he did in the 4th against Geelong with 10 pts and 2 crucial steals.

Nunawading are the team to beat, MTG could be trouble but limited bench depth may hurt. Geelong + Dandy next best. If Geelong's import is decent they have time to gel and fire.

I suggest you bring back your profile name, there are plenty of people who marvel with your incompetence and diarrhea. It must be a reality check when even your mates are jumping of the board because you are an embarrassment.

I think people need to give Knox a break too. Shanahan made some calls to move on CJ and Lester, had limited budgets and resources. Wants to rebuild a roster, is playing some young Knox kids and been working hard with the junior program.
Imagine taking over that rabble after what has been happening.
Yep - Be accountable for the performance, but the public need to be fair on what he's playing with. Not like CJ has set the world on fire in QLD.

Nunawading for championship, will either play Dandy/Geel/MTG.

The Flog's gone undercover and is a serial social media stalker, blogger and serial pest with nothing better to do than take cheap shots at Knox and make comments about Rangers.

Love the Seabl and love this thread!








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Anonymous  
Years ago

Nunawading, dandenong,geelong are all in the same conference so only one will make the final. Great job rearranging the conferences. If knox was up two it ..this would have been a horrible decision not just a terrible one.

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Seabl  
Years ago

Poor form by Knox to not let the imports know where the game was. Clearly it wasn't properly mentioned at a training session, nor did anyone offer them to carpool.

I'm embarrassed for them and the club.
Down by 40 at half time.

Knox men are the laughing stock of the league.
Is it time for change yet? Other teams have removed players and coaches to fix problems in their team, is it time for change or are they blind and can not see any problems yet?

Team morale must be epically high (sarcastic)

Fail

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Anonymous  
Years ago

#480818 I think MTG was mentioned so assume they will play Nuna/Dan or Geel.

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SEABL Watcher  
Years ago

Nunawading, dandenong,geelong are all in the same conference so only one will make the final. Great job rearranging the conferences.


I guess it's easy with 20:20 hindsight but those 3 teams are always competitive so it was crazy to put them into the same conference. What makes it look worse is that the conference also includes 2 teams that are struggling to win a game in Albury & Knox (& the CoE kids for good measure).

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Tiger Watcher  
Years ago

Agree that 3 of the 4 strongest teams are in the East (Nuna, Dandy, Geelong) but if Bendigo & hobart get there import pairing right Kilsyth's import stay fit then the East could be just as strong.

Also they factor in the Womens teams when organising the conferences so that is always a factor aswell.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Recent history suggests that Geelong, Dandenong and Nunawading are title contenders in both Men and Women.
Really think the days of conference play should be over. One ladder with a top 6 would be good.

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SEABL Watcher  
Years ago

I agree 100% but there are some stuck in the past who will not let go of conferences.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

And the draw is grossly lopsided IMO.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

South conference.

One team is 10-6, the other is 7-10. One team has played the top 3 teams of the other conference twice already. The other team has played one of those three teams once.

One team will "only" play three of the poorer performing teams in the East conference once. Other teams will play them twice.

It's like playing the Gold Coast or GWS twice in their first season in the AFL.

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SEABL Watcher  
Years ago

Well Albury hit the jackpot in playing the CoE twice but it didn't do them much good in the overall standings ;)

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anonymous  
Years ago

tiger watcher...........very sexist remark, they also factor in the women's teams, excuse me but the women's teams are a legitimate as the men's, just because all the talk here is always men men men, does not mean the women's competition is any less valid or important, in fact you could say it has far less crap in it than the men's an as such is actually a way better comp to follow.

what they should be doing is splitting in two the taking top half of each at the half way mark and doing a similar thing that they did with the junior VJBL making a champ and a reserve champ. The reason the men and women play in same conferences is purely logistical and financial, which makes total sense, the women's comp in no way disadvantages the men's and vice versa, just some clubs have stronger men's teams and some stronger women's, very few have equally as strong, same as very few have equally as weak.

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Tiger Watcher  
Years ago

@Anon...Didn't mean any disrespect to the womens teams/league at all....it was a men’s focused discussion but thought I’d point out they take into account both mens & womens when putting together the conferences.

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SEABL Watcher  
Years ago

What was sexist about:

Also they factor in the Womens teams when organising the conferences so that is always a factor aswell.


I (& others) has questioned the allocation of teams into conferences based purely on the men's results & Tiger Watcher simply indicated that they factor in the women's teams as well when deciding conference allocation. I should have realised this but like many here, I ignore the women's comp so if you want to launch an anti-sexist diatribe at anybody then you can take aim at me if you like.

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Bear  
Years ago

I don't see any sexist comments here, TW was just making a point about how the conferences are constructed, no more than that IMO.

Conferences would be fine if we could be more liberal during finals, why not give the top teams a chance to play against each other outside their conference based on ladder position and pints/percentage?

Then anyone good enough can get to play the second best team in SEABL, without conferences getting in the way...

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Anonymous  
Years ago

I dont think drinking a percentage of pints outside the competition is the answer! Some might argue though.

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anonymous  
Years ago

a better way of looking at it by club not team, thats how the draws are done

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LC  
Years ago

Round 13 Recap is now up on PnR:

SEABL Round 13: Gunners Hit a Second Straight Game Winner while the Spectres Win a Classic

For the second week in a row, the Canberra Gunners have won on a game-winning shot with the Kilsyth Cobras this round's victim.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Oh my god, geelong loses one game, to the reigning SEABL champions, in their home floor, who are in season best form, with an import change, who arrived that day and they are now vulnerable. As stated they led by 4 in the last qtr before dropping away.
Yeah Geelong are done.

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Bear  
Years ago

LOL, maybe points... not pints!

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Anonymous  
Years ago

looks like zac white finally found his mojo! putting on a clinic in hobart atm

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Down by 2 , might have gone the early crow. But I agree can play.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

one day hobart will string together a full game.

one day..maybe..

lost another one

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Hobart in a world of pain, but they will blame someone else.Take care of your own backyard, this might help.

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Happy Days  
Years ago

Good to see Zac White performing well.Brisbane and Hobart are two teams struggling to get there chemistry right on the floor.Neither team deserves to make the playoffs.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

anyone taking bets on how much longer Davie can retain the coaching position?

one import has been sacked already, something else has to give surely?

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Whitey  
Years ago

Great to see Cam Brown (Hobart) get some quality minutes tonight against Brisbane. In another blow to a team on their knees, Gehrig is moving to SA in about a months time.

Not that any Chargers coach have used him to his potential but damn he gives a great lift off the bench.

Chargers have Geelong in Hobart next week. It's going to be a blood bath :(

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anonymous  
Years ago

Sad to see such a big SEABL organisation die! Probably 250 people watching the game tonight. For a team that used to have packed out crowd at all home games that is poor.

The Hobart Chargers need to change something to finish the season or else they will fold. Looks like all the players hate each other and the coach. The 4 young guys on the end of the bench don't even look interested in the game PROBABLY BECAUSE THEY KNOW THERE NOT GOING TO GET SUBBED IN!

Honestly i feel sorry for the young players because they are obviously just being used as training bait. Theres no future for the chargers, might as well throw in the towel now!!!

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Geelong just got touched up again and if seriously think there were 250 people they you are deluded.
School holidays were on and the place was almost full.
Who is Gehrig?
What else has to give? Their season is over and why make any changes now?
Maybe focus on Geelongs poor form since something gave, eh. Of Knox, or even Kilsyth after losing tho the poorly coached Bandits.
Refeering apparently was terrible in Hobart and in both games their poor decision making was a feature.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

250?? Wtf?? Attendance shows over 700 and from all reports it's accurate..I can't see them folding, but big shake up not far away..

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Anonymous  
Years ago

One less next week. Chargers are stuffed! Boring to watch same old unstructured un diciplined plan week after week with the same old result.

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Anon  
Years ago

I recall Matt Shanahan telling Knox board if he was allowed to clean out the list and recruit he would make finals this season. The season is over for Knox. They will be lucky to win another game. So that's two seasons Knox has underperformed under Matt 's coaching. Reports around Seabl clubs is the players have no respect for him. His contract is up this year.

Sabres got rid of Flynny - should Knox bite the bullet or wait until the end of season?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Swap him with the Dud Chargers coach.

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Whitey  
Years ago

The officiating at Hobart tonight was beyond belief. The women's game officials should resign immediately.

I totally agree about the poor four players on the Chargers bench, it makes me wonder why they turn up.

Mark Nash needs to step in now. Either take over the coaching gig himself or find someone who will give the job 110%

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Anonymous  
Years ago

The referring in both games was abysmal and so was the bench. Too many failures of recent years. Everything right now in Hobart especially is probably the worst it has ever been. The referees in both games should all resign.

The 4 on the bench not getting court time?
More rubbish it seems from people with some agenda that really probably weren't even there.
Were you there whitey? Please explain. The score sheet says only 3 players didn't get on the court. Fraser Gehrich and that's his name not Gehrig moving will allow another big a spot. So what's your point?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Nash take over the ne and who coaches the women? Sheeeesh.

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Whitey  
Years ago

I was at the game and my point is there is a lot of untapped potential on the chargers bench.

I don't have an agenda, I just want to see local juniors used and developed. Cam Brown got some quality minutes last night and was great.

What could Woods or Klapsis do, we don't know because they don't play. I see SEABL as a development league. I maybe wrong but that's how I see it.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Knox last night - jones plays 5 minutes? Rhys Carter might be the most selfish player in SEAbL - the last shot he took to try to win the game was ridiculous.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

so who were the 4 bench players that you said didn't play?

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Whitey  
Years ago

I'm am talking about woods, Klapsis, barker and the local junior who isn't listed on the score sheet. Yes Barker did play, but two minutes is just as insulting as not playing.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Geelong looked flat last night - only guys who could walk away holding their heads for giving a 4qtr performance were Gaff & White Jnr. In only his 2nd game for the club he was impressive and will be great to see what he can do over the remainder of the season.
At the start of the season, the Geelong guys said that it wasn't about winning every game but rather about learning & improving every week. Out of last night they will learn they need to play more than 6 minutes of basketball if they want to win games. And the crazy thing is, to look at the stats things actually look pretty good for Geelong: FG = 54%, +11 on rebounds, + 7 on assists, +3 on steals & +1 on blocks, and they still scored 91 points; but to watch them I would say it is the worse game I have seen them play for over a year (at least for all but the last 6 minutes).

One of the best comments from the night came from overhearing one of Bendigo's women players who upon leaving said "what a strange night, we lose and the boys won".

And for the Lady Supercats it was probably their best win of the season - an absolutely crazy match in terms of the umpiring especially in the first half with 24 fouls called, and Goodman continually complaining and evening talking to the officials at qtr time even though Bendigo was up and was getting the benefit of majority of calls. In the 2nd quarter there were 2 warnings of flopping on consecutive plays and in the last qtr Chalmers got a tech for flopping (and I would have said it was the only flop of the night - the other 2 could easily have been an offensive foul against Geelong & non-call against Bendigo). But to score 88 points and have Blicavs only score 4 points (all in the last), it was a great team performance and hopefully something of a turning point in their season after an up & down past 5 or 6 weeks.

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Happy Days  
Years ago

Carter is all or nothing.Jones isnt SEABL standard.

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Anon  
Years ago

@ Happy Days. You are spot on. I also think Page is overrated . Brown too old and broken. Linton from Coffs is not up to it. I know I'm harping on old points but surely the Knox kids deserve better?
Aver, Waterhouse, Cope, Horstman and Toman are quality kids.
They are at risk of leaving because of lack of recognition.
I hope for the clubs sake they move quickly to secure these guys. They are the future of the club.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

They have good Knox juniors and good Australians. The import selection/use is strange for mine. Page isn't over-rated, he is under-utilised. If they were going to win, it was last night. The Blues were depleted.

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Happy Days  
Years ago

Its easier to lose with a bunch of local kids rather than win with a group containing mostly outsiders. Its also how you sell it. If Shanahan came out at the start of the season and said im going to play kids, people would of gone easy on him as the expectation is minimal.

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Anon  
Years ago

@anon 481687 Toman had an opportunity to be developed towards SEABL and wasnt interested this year for several reasons other than the coach.Dont speak on behalf of minors if you dont have all the facts.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Shanahan wants a NBL gig so he needs a good win loss ratio, I doubt he rates the locals, otherwise why recruit almost an entire team over the top of them. Poorly recruited too.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

if you were there whitey how many people attended. Some Wayne kerr suggested 250.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Doesn't matter how many. It was about half of the crowd they used to get. Why get so defensive? Haven't spoken to anyone who is impressed by what they have seen lately. Are you??

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Whitey  
Years ago

Offical box score on SEABL website says 712 people in attendance. Crowd was a little lighter than earlier in the year. A large children's b'day party group probably accounted for 50 of that attendance figure.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

So who ever is sprouting 250 is a bullshit artist.
712 is disappointing I would have thought but 3 times what the person who suggested 250 and never went to the game thought.
Was that the same fracktard who suggested 4 players didn't play as well?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Yea the Chargers are going great guns. All happy campers, crowds are huge, must have imagined the young guys on the end of the bench.

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Happy Days  
Years ago

How is Hobart funded?Its not association based is it?

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Steve  
Years ago

The sad thing at Knox is the board has no idea, the coach has no idea and many who think they do have no idea. The new Seabl rep has never had anything to with with Knox over BF who bleeds blue and gold. Linton, Page and Carter are a waste of space on the court, Carter can't hit the side of a barn with a basketball, perhaps the rings could be dropped to U/8 heights then these "Shanahan Stars" might just make the grade. The people who appointed Shanahan, have flown the coop and plead ignorance, and yhe lies by other current board members astounds me. Time to clean out the coach and "his" playing group and the fools who demanded SC's sacking. Appoint a new coach and trust those who only ever tried to improve the seniors and juniors and give a real coach the chance to push the genuine Knox kids to their full potential

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anon  
Years ago

@481693.

You maybe right about Toman - sounds like you are close to the action? Talking for minors - WTF?
I am expressing an observation about Knox kids whom I believe are up to playing SEABL in the future and are better than what Matt has recruited.

Interestingly you only comment about Toman? What about the other kids I mentioned?

Tonights stats are another example of Shanahan's coaching/recruiting credentials - Page awful, Carter selfish, Doyle unreliable, Jones a bust, Graham fouls easily, Brown too old and Linton not up to it. Great recruiting Matt.

Aver top scorer again - Waterhouse gets 4 min in junk time, Cope and Grant not given much opportunity. These guys have potential plus you have Horstman excelling in Youth League. And Toman (oops sorry).

Knox Basketball has a lot of good talent in its ranks - if the board had any balls they tell Matt to play them or move on.

I wonder what the new Board Member recently appointed with reponsibility for the Senior Program views are. Surely after only winning 6 games in 2 years after making the SEABL confernece finals five years running prior must make you question have we got the right person coaching our team??

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Anonymous  
Years ago

To be fair the group from 2012 was past its use by date Anon, it needed a broom through it.

The new board member I believe to be a friend of Matts from his domestic club, so it's a strategic appointment I guess.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

So tell us anonymous who was on the end of the bench? You said 4 didn't play, yet on the score sheet 3 didn't. You also said 250 which is clearly bullshit. As is everything you post about the Chargers. Guess you must have been sitting on the end of the bench eh.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Gunners continue their rise! They are a real smokey in their conference!

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Anonymous  
Years ago

HOw good are the Bandits!!

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Anonymous  
Years ago

^^ How can you post as anonymous and presume all the other anonymous posters are the same person. Deny the Chargers are in a bad place if you like but you will be one of the few. Deny crowd numbers are down if you like. But realise the official number includes all the empty season ticket holder seats and those that preferred to watch the football in the bar and those that left afte the lady Chargers. So while 250 was way off looked well under 750. Chad was the fourth one on the bench by the way suited up but not on the score sheet. Read the last 5 articles on the chargers in the Mercury and see how impressed outsiders are.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

You are only allowed to suit up 12 players. get it?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Mount Gambier drop another one.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Kilsyth back to form with McMillian on board, emphatic win over Mt Gambier.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Wow so number 4 was only one of the 750 spectators. Sorry. Changes my whole perspective of the crap I have been watching!

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Don't go. You wont be missed.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Supercats and spectres Wednesday night should be a great game! Both teams coming off unexpected losses and top spot on the line. Supercats just at home I'm thinking?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

I think it's hard for the top teams to maintain a winning streak or top form for the entire season, they will have lapses from time to time.

Outside the top 6 teams there are probably another 7 teams in SEABL all capable of pulling off an upset in their own right.

Geelong V Nunawading will be a cracker though, you can guarantee both teams will be at their best.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Not sure how Geelong can be at it's best.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Geelong won't lose their spot at the top even with a loss on Wednesday night - they are 2 games clear of Dandenong (who has moved into 2nd head-to-head?) with Nunawading in 3rd now.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Its not about ladder position at all. Its about current form getting into the pointy end of the season. The Supercats had an import change unfortunately and since then are 0-2. Hardly being at their best at all.

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Tiger Watcher  
Years ago

Out East the top three will fight it out.

Geelong might take some more time to gel...but they have a solid core who plays together well so give them some time.

Dandy are the form team of the east and look dangerous...great import combo and 3/4 role players who do thier part without trying to be heros.

Nunawading have looked out of sorts since Creek arrived. On paper they are solid but they appear to lack balance as they have terrible floor spacing & no shooters accept Macdonald. That said they could put it together in a hurry and really get after the top 2.

Out South

MT G - Still the team to beat only play 6 deep but are balacned and play well together.

NWT - Appear to have lost a little form but have the bext import Combo in the league so are dangerous on any given night but lack the depth to win it.

Kilsyth - Playing good ball and if they get Naburgs back can relly make some noise, they are big threat to MT G's dominacice of the conference.

Outside of this group Sandy/Canberra have hit form and could sneek into the playoffs...can't seem them knocking off Mt G but good to see both programs playing well.

Bendigo are way to inconsistant for mine and will miss out on the four.


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Anonymous  
Years ago

I don't understand how someone can complain about not playing someone........who isn't on the scoresheet!!

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Don't you realise you are sooking to nobody here. Only trolls that are keeping you on the hook. Forums are for the exchange of information and a place to vent when you are pissed off. Don't take to heart what people say here annonymously. Annonymous means no credibility expected and none should be given.
Dont get your knickers in a knot over a comment that a pissed off person posted just after the game, there are sure to be some exagerations in what they say.

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Anon  
Years ago

According to SEABL website, Knox's bench scored 42 of their 72 points - well done Matt on your recruiting all these guys over the Knox kids.

Matt's mate who has been elected on to the board to manage the senior program is going to be under the pump to justify giving him a new contract - thoughts?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Under the pump from who??

Since when did public opinion sway boards..? I've seen some of the most outlandish decisions made over the past god knows how long in the face of common sense.
It comes down to friendships, agendas and opinions, just like what existed to create the mess there in the first place.
Never think because something looks clear cut on the surface that it will happen that way.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Daniel J and the ejection.
http://www.theage.com.au/sport/act-sport/canberra-gunners-overcome-daniel-joyce-ejection-to-continue-finals-charge-20140706-zsxx7.html

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Knox appear to be rudderless as an organization at the moment, they don't seem to be able to convey what they're about, no is there any appearance of leadership from the top.

Probably very understandable though given the turmoil they've been through, they are most likely dealing with a lot of bigger issues behind the scenes.

That being the case I seriously doubt they are overly concerned or focused on the snr Coaches at the moment, id say they have more important things to worry about.

The continual vendetta against Matt though is getting tiring, let things pan out without the politicking and constant pressure, none of us know what's being discussed with him behind closed doors nor do we know what maybe planned to address the teams horrible form.

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Anon  
Years ago

@ 481833 anonymous

Vendetta against Matt. I beg to differ. The comments I am reading appear factual. His recruiting decisions are appalling. His game day coaching and rotations have people confounded. His players have no respect for him - yes I state this cause I've got this feedback first hand. If Scott Christiansen gets a Seabl gig watch the number of Knox kids depart .
Over at Kilsyth coach popp has undertaken a development program and plays cobras juniors. This team if they stay together will force over the next five years. If you compare the Knox and Kilsyth junior program's over the past ten years the Knox program clearly excels in terms of VC, national and Classic titles. The number of State players Knox has had over this period shows we have talent.

How is this a vendetta against Matt?

Please explain how you justify this statement. Furthermore to suggest the board don't care about this situation is pathetic.

So if I'm reading you right, you are saying stop picking on Matt despite these FACTS, and the board don't care about its juniors.

If as is rumoured, the new board member who has no history at Knox and is alleged to be Matts goodmate is the only board member who has a focus on the Seabl teams.

How did Knox members overlook someone like Bill Fenton? If Matt Shanahan gets a new contract we will all be intrigued to see how this board member justifies the decision.

Oh and on another note as was mentioned to me by an influential Knox person today. How is it Cheryl Chambers can commit to play juniors a la Kilsyth program but Matt has been allowed to run a different agenda?

So Anonymous you call it politicking and a vendetta. What do others think?

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Anon  
Years ago

Can someone tell me why Cheryl Chambers has two players that play juniors at other clubs on her bench. How is that fair to the Knox juniors. What a poor message to be sending- its ok to walk out on the club to play juniors elsewhere but you can be part of the SEABL program over juniors that are loyal to Knox.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Also what is the value of Richards and Wilson when they have played 5 games and games each. It is not as if they are evn at training to teach anyone and from all reports were not at game on Sunday. When they probably take up 90% of the payroll surely money may be invested elsewhere.
I don't know how it works in Basketball but rather than season contracts wouldn't match payments make more sense. Play and train for full payment ,or miss training or games and no $$$$$

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Anon, if you haven't worked it out yet the members at Knox want change and to get fresh blood in the place, not recycle the same past people over and over and over again.
The other thing a new board wont do is make change for the sake of change, if they put Matt there i doubt they'll replace him quickly because that will look like they made a bad decision.


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Anon  
Years ago

Not the current board or previous board put Matt in SEABL coach position. That happened under Wayne Carroll and board that was in place when things turned sour. Simon Mitchell was BDM at the time and supported Matts appointment. If rumour is true those leaving Knox are heading to Frankston and Mitchell. Good luck with that.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

"and from all reports were not at game on Sunday"

Isn't there an Opals camp in Gosford at the moment?
Your pathetic sniping would go a little better if you actually had some basic basketball knowledge behind it...

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Just on this how are the head coaching appointments made? Is it a sub committee? or the Entire Board decision?

Will they follow the same "due process" as they did at the completion of Grahams contract and open the job up to the market and allow the current incumbent to re apply as well as fielding outside applications?

Will be interesting to see which way it goes.

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LC  
Years ago

Back onto actual basketball...Round 14 Recap is now up on PnR:

SEABL Round 14: The South Conference Race Is On while the Sabres Finally Have a Reason To Smile

The race for the top four continues to hot up in the South Conference as the Canberra Gunners, Frankston Blues and Sandringham Sabres all moved to 8-10, just one win outside a playoff spot.

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Anon  
Years ago

Simon Mitchell and Niall Quinn conducted the interview process that saw Matts appointment. As I understand it Mitchell wanted Scott C but Quinn overruled him. Quinn is well known in BV circles for his dislike of SC.

So if you carry this process forward, the senior program board member (only new to Knox but firm friends with MS) and the DOC (MS) will conduct the review process.

You don't have to be Einstein to work out what is going to happen.

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Solid Moves  
Years ago

Can we like perhaps stop focusing so much on the Knox "issues" which for most here wouldn't be any of their business and focus on the Eastern Men's where Dandenong once again look to be coming good at the right time.

What is it, 7 straight and DQ having a very very quiet 23/10 #MVP

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Tiger Watcher  
Years ago

Can't wait to see this weekends games.

Geelng Vs Nunawading in a mid week match up down at the arena.

Geelong will get this one by 10pts

Dandy Vs Nunawading on saturday night.

Nunawading to get Dandy and end the hot streak...i just like the way Nunawading match up with Dandy hence think they can get the W


Pretty much a round that shapes the East and should give real finals indication.

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Solid Moves  
Years ago

Agree Tiger Watcher, this weekend will be awesome. Ballarat also have a chance put even more space between themselves 4th and Brisbane 5th.

I think Geelong win midweek as well. AWJ played really well last game and they should take the W.

However I might disagree with you on the Dandy V Nuna game. Nunawading look brilliant on paper but with Tony Lewis in MVP caliber form, DQ never out of 3rd gear and a local cast that knows their role I think they might get the job done. But hey, a loss wouldn't be horrid. Just means they get the home final which i would quite enjoy. I understand where you're coming from matchup wise tho.

What about the South. It's jam packed there! I really want to see Canberra make the 4. Just imagine the Sabres if they had of signed Junior to start with!

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Tiger Watcher  
Years ago

South is really tight in terms of that forth spot.

Canberra playing some good ball and Sabres new import is flat out balling.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

so without taking focus away from the big wednesday night clash, i got word of an interesting game in hobart local league

hugh greenwood/tanner krebbs make an appearance against 4 of the hobart chargers guys

well, the scoreboard tells the rest of the story

http://www.fibalivestats.com/matches/28374/11/18/19/71bK2q21OJI/

a true showing of the state of play in hobart atm?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Shanahan Recruitment has cost him. Moving on CJ and Lester had to be done but no replacements has cost them greatly.

Personally I think the management of SEABL teams in the entire league is a disgrace. Every club has Boards full of agenda based, non qualified and basketball spastics managing decisions/outcomes.

It's been like this for years and will continue for years, from Knox to Dandy to Nunna to Sandy every club has them.

People should save their time and accept nothing is going to change. Shanahan got the gig at Knox gifted from Carrol/Quinn. Perry got the job at Rangers gifted from Gooding, Hoare at Sandy Gifted from Vince, Giovanni Gifted from Jolly list goes on...Notice these coaches had limited to no SEABL coaching or SEABL assistant coaching experience before the gift. All on the know not qualifications.
(Not every player makes a good coach either).

People move on!

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Was down at the Geelong Nunawading game last night at the arena in Geelong and I am all for some added entertainment but the game of BASKETBALL seems to be 3rd or 4th on the agenda down there this year.

Here's the question I pose, given the chance over again, would the Supercats replace mercer or promote more opportunity for a bench guard??
It would appear the new 21 year old import cutting his teeth has completely thrown the teams rhythm out of whack and players didn't seem to happy with him out there in stages.

Would be interested in getting thoughts on this from those closer to it.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Anon^ you have posed a question related to the team structure, yet your preceding quote is questioning the level of entertainment against the game of basketball, are you saying the new import is all about flash and dash, he is there in your opinion to entertain the crowd but he adds no value to the team?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

@482259, to answer your question about if Geelong would have been better off not replacing Mike and just utilising other options from the bench, I would have to say no. Geelong went into this season with a squad of 11 (their choice), so to lose a starter and decide to play out the season with only 10 when you have the option of a replacement would not see them in a better place now nor in 6 weeks time.

I have watched all 3 games that White Jnr has played and not sure where you get the idea that the other guys aren't happy with him out there - he had limited game time against Dandenong having stepped off a plane that morning; last week against Bendigo he was one of 2 players who could walk off at the end of that match with pride in the game they played (the other was Gaff, they were the only 2 players to put in a 4qtr effort and not stop while on court); and as for last night, he was down on his shooting from last week but he brings a lot of energy when on court, he looks to be the quickest player on the team and his defensive pressure is good.

The key problem for the Supercats at the moment is not so much what’s happening when we have the ball, (our turnover count is higher then you want it to be), we are still scoring quite well & easily at times – our 77 against Dandenong was our lowest of the season, but apart from that we have 2 scores in the 90s and 82pts last night; the issue is our defensive lapses and our inability to stop the opposition going on long scoring streaks – it is something that has happened all season but a lot more over the past 4 games. Scores against of 96 x 2, 95 x 1 (the 3 highest scores against all season) and 87 by Dandenong (only equalled or bettered twice outside this past month), that shows the issues and those issues were around even when Mike was playing. We have allowed opposition players to get hot just make too many shots – McDonald had 9pts or something in the 1st qtr; O’Hea’s first 9 points were all from 3s, we kept Creek to 5pts in the first half and he finished with 21 with something ridiculous scored in the last when no one would play tight defense on him.

We need to start respecting the opposition and start playing defense if we want to start winning matches again – that is nothing to do with Mike’s injury or White Jnr’s introduction, but rather a team effort that needs to be turned around before tomorrow night.

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Bear  
Years ago

Great insight into the game anon^, there is also the fact that coming off the loss of such an important player the Supercats have had to play probably the next three best teams all in quick time.

No excuses, I know, but certainly a good test and a chance for the coaches to see exactly where the team is at now and where it needs to be around finals time.

The losses are a wake up call, but certainly not a call for crisis...

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Anonymous  
Years ago

soooo hobart...too little too late

no surprises the local umpiring was horrible once again.

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SEABL Watcher  
Years ago

Poor discipline cost Brisbane the win against a resurgent Albury. 2 silly techs.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

What a great comp- every week lower ranked sides are a chance of beating the favorites- finals aren't to far away with quit a few sides still a chance

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Message from the Supercats last night that with the win over Hobart they have booked a 17th straight finals series - fantastic effort. Now to focus on recapturing their earlier season form and get things rolling again.

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SEABL Watcher  
Years ago

Albury wins 2, Knoxs wins... definitely a league for upsets.

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Anon  
Years ago

Shanahan to be re signed for another 2 years ?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Oh dear know don't learn do they lol

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Seems to be the rumor.

It's that time of the season where you get a few upsets, top teams drop their guard a bit, teams that cant make finals play with less pressure.

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Tiger Watcher  
Years ago

Few people over the weekend mentioned bubble has picked up a further 2 years.

Not sure if this is true but at least Knox are sticking with it and keep consistency which with what has gone on is the worse idea (despite what some people think of his coaching)

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anon  
Years ago

Íf Bubble gets another gig as rumoured the place will be a ghost town. Clearly shows the Board don't have their finger on the pulse.

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Tiger Watcher  
Years ago

Anyone see the Dandy V Nuna game on saturday?

Looking at the stats doesn't look like a heap of D was played!!...both teams shot well for two teams that normally aren't great shooting teams.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Was at the Dandy-Nuna game. Dandy played well to win, Harms, Lewis & DQ stepped up when needed. Nuna look like they are in shambles. No defence, no game plan and don't look like they have any back up plan if plan A is failing. I'm no expert however looks to me like the need major work defensively and the ball needs to get through hands in offence. Seems to get stuck in one persons hand a lot. Quite disappointing for the team they have on paper. After seeing Dandy play a few times so far this season looks like they can win it all again.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

geelong bounced back with two good wins in Tassie. kept NW to 66 on Saturday night is a great defensive effort! if they can hang onto top spot they will be tough to beat!

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Solid Moves  
Years ago

^Anon, they've been my pick to win it all for the entire season. They're like the Spurs in the area of coming good and playing their best at the right time. Hopefully that form continues through to the Finals. Nunawading since Creek has arrived look a lot different from the Nuna I saw earlier in the season. That could be great news for Ballarat first week of finals if everything continues to go the same way. And don't even get me started on the other confernce! I think we're in for the most exciting finish to the SEABL season in quite a while!

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Tiger Watcher  
Years ago

@Solidmoves...Agree this year is very exciting...east has quality and can't wait to finals & south is really tight and could go down to the last game!

Also hearing that even thou Nuna lost they showed early that if they click beating Dandy could happen but need to put it together for 4 q's



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Anonymous  
Years ago

Sorry Tiger Watcher - But the title is Rangers to lose. Nunna Shot the ball 70% first half and still couldn't win.

Unless MTG has Hill go for a 40pt game in the finals or some off the chart game from Ben Allen Rangers are way to deep.

Tony Lewis is a bull on the boards, DQ best import who can play D on bigs and cause nightmares on the offensive end and Harmsy if he scores 15pts plus no team is beating them.

Creek has his birthday game Saturday, McDonald a class act but Conn, Cameron and the rest out of shape and very average. Not sure O'hea can plug the hole to make the difference!

Rangers win the title with best 3 man combo DQ/Lewis/Harms.

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Choppy Galopy  
Years ago

Guys I'm in on Dande. I saw them lift defensive intent the other week at the drop of the hat when a game was in the balance. It just hit you in the face of a Champ team.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Dandenong are easily the team to beat. Hard to see them losing another game. Their only losses this year have been when missing key players. They should win out, finish on top, win conference with emphatic wins over the next best team in Nunawading then take Mt Gambier apart to go back to back. The big 3 get the hype and so they should, they are a step ahead but the impact of Odigie and Enge on defensive end and shooting of big man Brent Hobba push them over the top.
Anything but winning the whole thing would be a failure for this group.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Hard to see Dandenong finishing on top of the conference ladder - they are 3 games and head-to-head behind Geelong, so will require Geelong to lose 4 of their last 6 games to leapfrog them. Geelong plays (in order) Mt Gambier (h), Knox (a), Kilsyth (a), Hobart (h), Brisbane (a) & Ballarat (h), I would think that Geelong can win 3 of those matches and will be pushing hard to get a home week 1 final which they have been missing over the past few years.

Dandenong also finishes the season playing Nunawading - could be a very interesting & important match for both teams.

If in the first week of finals, Nunawading or Dandenong find themselves headed to Geelong to play (winner to host the grandfinal), it is a very different match to what they have encountered during the season and won't be an easy match for any opposition to walk into.

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Tiger Watcher  
Years ago

Geelong at home in the east will be very tough.

Really love how tight the South is but the quality of the top 3 teams in the East is fantastic.

All 3 teams have diff strenghs so i think the final ladder positions are all important.


Geelong really match up well with Dandy

Dandy match up well with Nunawading

Nunawading match up well with Geelong

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bethdavis10  
Years ago

If Dandenong do come out and win the East, they will again have an advantage in the All-SEABL Championship game with it being played on their home court.

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Solid Moves  
Years ago

Dandenong won't finish top unless the Supercats have a huge meltdown. Looking at the 'Cats run home i see 5 of their 6 games very winnable while the MtG game is a 50/50. Dandenong have 8 remaining with 5 I would lock in - two against NW Tas and another Nuna game are 50/50 IMO. On the other hand Nunawading have 7 remaining and all bar the Dandenong game they should have a great shot at. That leaves second place the one being fought for.

And hey, Dandenong don't mind being outside the top two come finals do they?

Dandenong to win it all in a 2013 final rematch.. Then after that if Montreal isn't picked up by an NBL club I think some people in the National League need to lose their jobs..

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Mount Gambier won't win it. They may emerge from their conference, but they won't beat either Dandenong, Nunawading or Geelong or Ballarat.


They have a soft underbelly which has been exposed a number of times this season. They simply aren't tough enough. Their guard strength is good, but their inside play is pretty soft. Allen doesn't command a double team in the post, neither does Johnson.

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LC  
Years ago

Round 15 Recap is now up on PnR:

SEABL Round 15: Geelong Finds Success On a Dreaded Triple-Header

A disappointing start to the round for the Geelong Supercats saw them fall on Wednesday night to the Nunawading Spectres.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Chargers sack head coach Paul Davie and import Zach White.
Maybe the board should be sacked instead.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Not a great deal mentioned about the SEABL women, it seems Geelong is doing quite well just like their men, no apparent lag after changing the coach early in the season.

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SEABL Watcher  
Years ago

http://www.themercury.com.au/sport/local-sport/chargers-axe-coach-paul-davie-and-import-zac-white/story-fnj92b0f-1226991546262

Crazy timing.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Reading the article about the Hobart fiasco it does seem to be all a bit too late in the season to make a difference. Not a great look down in the apple isle.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Loyal servant of the club. So poorly treated.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Feel sorry for Zac getting caught up amongst the drama in Hobart. Guy is a genuinely nice guy and can play.

He was absolutely stoked to get the chance and I can't help but think any further chance of playing at seabl level has been ruined by the fact he came into an under performing Hobart team playing for themselves.

At a guess I'd say Dwaine Davey will also be struck from the list, opening up more game time for the likes of young guns Calum Baker and Cam Brown.

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SEABL Watcher  
Years ago

At a guess I'd say Dwaine Davey will also be struck from the list


The sins of the father? That would be rough.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Amazing

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Tiger Watcher  
Years ago

Amazing...can't believe the import got to chop as well.

He look like he'd just found his feet & with only limited time in the season left can't see how any of this fixes the team.

Surely you'd have waited out the season then made the changes.

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Ballislife  
Years ago

Crazy seeing as the season was over for the Chargers all ready. Huge shakeup!!!! Will the players be able to adjust to a new coach and 1 less player in the last 6 games???

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Chargers board are acting like a bunch of fools to dismiss coach Davie at this point of the season after publicly stating his position was safe less than a week ago.

How is it the Hobart public is not scrutinising the form of the Lady Chargers with a 10-7 record and a recent fight between players after a recent loss.

The mens side was doomed to fail from the start of the season with the signing of three starting guards who all need the ball and one more so than others.

Davies mistake was the imports chosen to start with but also was not allowed to replace them earlier in the season but it also has to be looked at what former coach Anthony Stewart put in place for the future in his 5 years a head coach.

The only previous juniors that have played over the last 5 years were never developed rather were talented enough to make the squad and get playing time eg Greenwood,Krebs,Masunda.


Maybe better communication between the board and the coaching staff could have avoided this if they had chosen to dump both imports earlier and played the juniors.

Hartwell could possibly be one of the laziest imports to ever hit Tasmania and his attitude is it is always someone elses fault when he is on the court.

Dwaine Davey has shown loyalty to the club for more than ten years and the club failed to acknowledge his 250 games played recently.



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Anonymous  
Years ago

Why pay out White. With most of the season gone just pay out the season and there was a remote possibility they could even make the 4.
The David family have been loyal to the club since almost inception and the sacking of both people involved reflects the state of the club. Disorganised and running on empty.

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assist149  
Years ago

Doubt White was paid out

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Stewie  
Years ago

They have been trying to get me back all year and planned to sack Davie earlier but I was not available. They than needed to wait for Joseph to finish his state coaching duties. Barker and Brown don't even start in the local competition but will be starting in SEABL. We have issues but they will all be fixed with the introduction of an NBL side.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

They don't start in the local side because the side they play for would have a fair crack at beating the Chargers. Have done in pre season games!

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assist149  
Years ago

How will they start with the 3 guards and import?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Seems like just the poor management & chaos we expect from the NBL Stewie so should be a good fit ;)

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Strange that Stewie has a new job and would have little time for the Chargers again based on his reasons for retiring. Davie has been poorly treated and there is nothing to gain by sacking him now except public derision for the Chargers.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Stewie might see himself as an NBL coach

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Anonymous  
Years ago

No.

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Ballislife  
Years ago

Feeling sorry for the Chargers players...... Second time a significant part of there playing squad has been cut!! Must be hard having to get to know one player and then seeing him get cut...... Twice! And to make a coaching change this late in the season.... Well, I just don't know what to say!

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Anonymous  
Years ago

So who was the first significant person to be cut?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

No answer Ballislife?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Canb run all over. Supercats running into form?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Super cats running into form....might have gone off a tad earlier on that one mate! Pioneers down by 16 at the last change in Geelong and storm home with a 27 to 6 last quarter to get home by 5.....maybe now the pioneers will now get some respect that they deserve as title prospects!....it's not just who wins the east gets the title!

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Geelong are the 3rd or 4th best team in the East. Tonight's 6 point 4th qtr shows that! Recently they beat Ballarat in overtime, then lost to Dandenong, Bendigo and Nunawading. Wins in Tasmania last week over a floundering Hobart and a depleted North West only covered over their poor form. They constantly give away leads and don't have a single player who can take a game over. I'm not saying they aren't a good team (overall record is strong) but they are not able to match the top 3-4.

Mt Gambier are the best team in South but are a level below Dandenong and Nunawading.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

But yet have beat both dandenong and nunawading... You will say thy weren't full strength but neither were the pioneers!..,,brad hill''s last quarter unbelievable haves look at the play by play to see how he dominate a both ends.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

No Owusu and Cannan?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Correct, Mt Gambier have beaten under strength Dandenong and Nunawading earlier this season, good for them.
Come finals time we will see :)

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Early call indeed. MtGambier have done that a few times this season and will be found out come finals time. THis may be the last of the Pioneers in this configuration and they should make the most of it while they can. The money might soon run out.

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Ballislife  
Years ago

The first significant person was Jerrah Young anonymous. Although he wasn't performing he was a large part of the teams offence and defence to start the season.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Jerrah Young should never have even played a seabl game. Last 2 games he played in he fouled out and zero points in his last fouling out game. Major part of the offense is laughable.18 points career high and all down hill from there. Good thing you aren't coaching.

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Ballislife  
Years ago

Jesus mate. Give him some slack. The board of the Chargers bought in 2 big imports!! They were basically the same player except one is about 50kg heavier!!! I don't blame the Chargers coaches at all for the teams performance!! I blame the fools on the board who made the majority of the team decisions!!!

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Chargers A/Coach who quit slams them in paper today: Leaky board, no development for 10 years, worse run organisation.

http://www.themercury.com.au/sport/local-sport/former-assistant-coach-chris-symons-savages-chargers-culture/story-fnj92b0f-1226994186103

Smaller one from Nash calling for a stop to negative press (no link).

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Anonymous  
Years ago

The board picked the players???

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Owusu missed last night with the flu, they are hopeful he may be able to play tonight. Cannan out at the moment with a hamstring injury, didn't travel to Tassie last week, unlikely to play tonight, they are hopeful to have him back next week. Head coach Jamie also away with other commitments.

Geelong played well for 3/4s of the match but just couldn't buy a basket in the last quarter with the couple of shots we did make actually being really hard work to get there. Mt Gambier deserved to win in the end as they ran out the better side, but for Geelong there was good signs - best game from Medved for the year and he deserves some more court time with the energy he brings, Gaff has really lifted over the last month and looks to be hitting good form heading into the finals and Rocci while he doesn't get much court time, when he does he is exciting to watch with the enthusiasm and energy he brings, also seems to get involved & annoy the opposition when on court.
Never ideal to lose, but more positives to take out of last night then any of the 3 loss - now to get the full team back on court before the finals.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Happens far to often that a board of committee pick players before they even have a coach. If they want a winning formulation for any team I think the coach is the one who should pick their players to suit their coaching ideas and have personalities that the particular coach finds acceptable to get along with. How often do you see coaches sacked due to poor performance of teams and yet those coaches have had little say in who is in the team. Players often sign contracts to say they will play x amount of mins only to find coach does not see them fit into the group or his plan to allow this. Players get disgruntled , board steps in, player gets CRT time and they loose due to poor performance of poor team work, coach then gets shafted.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Shame that the Asst coach decided to desert the ship rather than assist with the things that needed to be solved and was happy enough to put up with the issues when he was there.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

looking at the hobart team in tonights game, did dwaine davey walk or not selected?

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Fast break  
Years ago

Great team win for the pioneers tonight over Brisbane. Teys showing why he has a nbl contract with 4 pts! Burdon starting to get back into form. Genuine chance to go one better this year.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Of course Mt Gambier are a chance, they are coming out of a conference that has no team capable of making the top 4 in the other conference. They had a 50/50 chance already! Can't see them beating Nunawading or Dandenong, so they better hope Geelong or Ballarat get through.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Where are all the Knox haters after they knocked off the Supercats?

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sportsfan  
Years ago

why ask were all the knox haters are all they need to ask where are they now on the ladder???? will they be playing finals



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Anonymous  
Years ago

source - http://www.hobartchargers.com.au/

To Our Fans, Followers, Volunteers and Sponsors

As most of you would be aware we have recently made some tough decisions concerning coaching and the playing group.

Please know that these decisions were not taken lightly. We took all issues into consideration and we believe that these decisions are the right ones for the future of the Hobart Chargers Basketball Association. Our club has a proud history and when the values at the heart of the club such as leadership, accountability, responsibility and passion start to erode, action had to be taken.

We are grateful to all those who volunteer their time and talents and who have helped make our club one of the most successful in SEABL.

We are looking forward to working with Willie Joseph in his caretaker capacity to make sure the playing group are putting forth their best efforts and understand the expectations the club has of them

Thank you for your continued support.

Yours Sincerely

Hobart Chargers Basketball Association

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Maybe the Supercats aren't as good as they were with a change. However Knox are really shit.

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Assist149  
Years ago

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Assist149  
Years ago

The Chargers press statement is a joke.

Chargers players arguing with each other in game today vs Nunawading so is that the fault of former coach Davie?

Maybe the board need to take responsibility and accountability for the team they recruited and the poor effort they do connecting with the local community.

Coach Joseph spoke of only two of the three guards starting from here on and the first game all three played the full game until Masunda fouled out.

Juniors players minutes hardly risen either.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Maybe the issue is did the current players have confidence in the former coach? If not why not? Of the junior players Brown didn't play game 1 and played 11:25 for 1 rbd and 2 pts. Clearly an improvement on recent games played.
Klapsis played 0:18 and 6:27 for 1 t/o.
So what exactly are you trying to say?
Will they win the Chargers any games? Offensive great? Defensively great? Kids playing against experienced campaigners need time and development.
Assist149, were you at the game today? How is the board supposed to connect to the community? Do you really know what a Board is supposed to do?
Arguing on the court? Clearly you weren't there.
66% (53/80) will generally win a game.

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Assist149  
Years ago

Pretty sure the board makes decisions as to marketing and getting the team into the local community/schools etc so there is a greater connection between fans and team.

Are you saying there wasn't infighting in today's game?

Brown and Barker should both be playing twenty plus minutes a game.

If White was sacked for performance issues then Hartwell should be gone as well and the kids playing nearly full games.

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Anon  
Years ago

@483885 Knox haters were watching. Christ mate he's won 5 games or so. What has he done for our club except recruit over Knox kids. And still can't get the job done. Two wins in a row WOW!!
The YL team has finished top. What pathway can they see when Shanahan is on record for saying Knox juniors are not up to Seabl standard.

So yes Knox haters are watching and waiting to see just how many of our juniors end up elsewhere playing Seabl.

Can you or the board at Knox explain why this situation has been allowed to happen.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

If you want to follow the Chargers saga closely go to Hobart Chargers (official fan page) on Facebook.

Some good stuff being laid out...and some deleted.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

White was injured last time I heard. YOu were the one who said on court infighting, weren't you there? Barker and Brown playing a 1/2 a game? Tell us coach how that will happen. Bench who?Undeniably talented but no way up to a 1/2 a game / game.

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Assist149  
Years ago

Bench the import.

Play with two guards not three all the time that's how.

You insinuated there was not fighting today.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

@483885, wow, not really sure id be beating my chest too much.

Winning games that don't matter at the end of the season is nothing to crow about.

Looking at the ladder if you take out the College who don't play a full season you're last in your conference and last overall out of 15 teams.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

NO fighting what so ever. You were at the game weren't you?

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Rick Brunson  
Years ago

It would appear that the change the Supercats made to replace Mercer with White is failing. He is clearly looking to get his own numbers before team production and does not pass the ball. Shouldn't point guards like him average 5+ assist?


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Tiger Watcher  
Years ago

Not sure white is a PG....he looks more like an under sized 2 guard, he lack of size is hurting his ability to get good looks and he is quick but team are really clogging the lane as he isn't a great passer.

Always tough for geelong to replace Mike who fitted really well in there system.

I wouldn't write geelong off thou as when fit still have a very strong 5/6 players who can take it to anyone on there night.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

@Rick - there are only 3 players in the league averaging over 5 assists per game, so what does that say about the rest of the point guards in the league not ave 5 per game? Neither Mercer or Owusu ave over 4 per game for Geelong either - and when the point guard role is being shared, probably better to look at the team average then individual player average.

Not good for Geelong to drop both games on the weekend, but not sure why people are continuing to blame losses on the White Jnr introduction - it wasn't like Geelong decided to just ditch Mercer mid season, their hand was forced due to injury. Over the weekend we had to deal with the loss of 2 starters with Owusu (flu) and Cannan (injury) both unavailable, Friday night, backup guard Varley was unavailable and on Sat night there was no Harrison. Didn't see Sat nights match, but looking at the boxscore seems the same thing as Friday night - ran out of legs in the last with the opposition running over the top.

Hopefully both Owusu & Cannan will be available for the next match and the team can start to settle before the finals. The team would be trying to build towards the finals but it has been a bit hard the past 4-5weeks due to import change, injuries and illness - just need to get a settled line up on court now before finals.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

It's very difficult to replace an import mid-stream...add the fact that Jamie O'Loughlin will be heading to the Under 17 Worlds soon and it's a tough time for Geelong.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Rick Brunson, not sure if you realise but assists only count if the person who gets the pass actually makes the basket. I watched a game on Saturday where one player alone would have had at least 10 assists had the bigs they were feeding put the ball in the hole. Unless your watching the game live stats certainly never show just how a player went in a game apart from rebounds and points scored, everything else is at the discretion of the stats people who frankly make a lot of mistakes.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Don't forget their run for the last 2 weeks has been.
Friday vs Bendigo, Wed night vs Nunawading into Tassie double header, into Friday vs My Gambier & Saturday @ Knox.
Tough run for anybody.

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Tiger Watcher  
Years ago

Will be tough without the coach if he is in fact heading over to U17 worlds.

Jamie has missed a number of games this year...always think it is tough when coaches miss large chunks of the season.

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SEABL Watcher  
Years ago

Re: Anonymous #483940

Well said on both counts. Not everything a player does shows up in the stats & you can see a lot of errors just following the Livestats (without even seeing the game where you'd no doubt see even more) so you can't rely on the published stats to judge player performance.


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sportsfan  
Years ago

whos everyones thoughts on coaches Safe for next season i will start off with the womens side

Dandenong - Safe
Nunawading - Safe
Bendigo - i would have to say yes
Kilsyth - Safe
Brisbane -
Geelong -
Frankston - Safe
BA CoE - Safe
Hobart -
Ballarat -
Knox - you would think so look at where they been last 3 years
Sandringham -
Launceston -
Canberra -
Albury -

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Rick Brunson  
Years ago

Any team that is needing Varley or Harrison to actual play is going to struggle, there is no argument there and really exposes the cats lack of depth.

Very tough for the team to not have their coach at the SEABL level for periods, especially how good Jamie is as a coach.

For some reason Nathan Herbert stays without criticism for his lack of consistency and leadership, is it because he is a club favorite? This weekend is an ideal example of when you need Nathan to step up and take the games under his responsibility.

This is becoming the Supercats trend, they fail at the season end and finals. Last year they were the best team in the league by far, 1st on the ladder but didn't even win a game in the finals!

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Go back 1 week further and the Supercats played Dandenong @ Dandenong in what was White Jnr's first game. So that is 7 tough games in 21 days, and fair to say they haven't really had a settled line up at any stage during that period, and its not exactly the stretch of games you want to be trying to introduce new players and deal with injuries & illness within the team.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Tell me which team in SEABL has enough depth to cover the loss of their starting PG and PF, plus would still stay on top of the ladder after losing their top scoring import and starting SF and then facing 7 games in 21 days, most of those games against the top half of the ladder, really?

Supercats will not complain as an organisation, they are too professional for that, they will get on with the game and do the best they can.

Win or lose, teams that suffer serious injuries at the wrong end of the season will always struggle to be as competative as they were beforehand, not making excuses but don't think it's anything more than bad bloody luck sometimes!

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Anonymous  
Years ago

@ Seabl Watcher - the best error I have seen this year from the person looking live stats and the scoreboard was in Rnd 1, Canberra vs Supercats womens match. For some unknown reason, those 2 people awarded Canberra 2 points before they had even made a basket and the score bench with the paperwork spent 1/4 time & half time trying to discuss the error with them (they also ignored the Geelong bench who tried to find out what was going on) before they finally admitted their error and corrected things. Would have confused anyone watching through live stats to see a player with more points at half-time then full-time.

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HO  
Years ago

Didn't the Supercats lose an import (pretty good too from memory) at roughly this point of the season either last year or the year before?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

2 years ago (around 14th July) we lost Kimmani Barrett to an ACL injury suffered towards the of the match against Ballarat at Ballarat - we need to start playing out match at Ballarat in the first month of the season if we are going to have these season ending injuries to imports.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

And as for being pretty good - after missing the remainder of the season due to his injury, he ended up losing the SEABL MVP by 1 vote to Massingale. No injury and it would have been a case of by how much he won the award.

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HO  
Years ago

Thanks Anon. I am not sure Rick can be bleating on about Geelong's end of season trends then. It looks like the only trend might be end of season injuries to key personnel - that will kill almost any team.

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SEABL Watcher  
Years ago

@ Anon #483960

Yes, that's a classic.

I've lost count of the number of possession changes without any shot or violation being recorded - one minute Team A has possession then a minute or 2 later Team B scores although they never had the ball according to the stats. Another common error is seeing a missed shot attempt followed by a foul on the same player & free throws. I've also noticed several players giving themselves assists which is always a nice way to pad your stats.

That's just the errors you see following the of the game via Livestats. When you are actually watching the game l& following Livestats at the same time, it's quite amazing what gets missed.

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Annon  
Years ago

Supercats professional and classy - that's a super stretch.

This is the same club that fired their successful women's coach this year because the captain had a sook to the CEO and the CEO hated the coach...

Keep it in the realms of realistic.

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SEABL Watcher  
Years ago

Even SEABL seems shocked that Knox beat Geelong judging by their review...

KNOX 86 (Carter 19, Graham 17)

def. by

GEELONG 79 (Herbert 20, Gaff 20)

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Do people really have to start speculating again as to the reasons behind Geelong choosing to change their women's coach just 2 weeks into the season? We went through enough speculative crap when all this happened that people don't need to start doing the same all over again now - IF you don't know why it happened and you want to know, go talk to the players and their families, get the story from them because its vastly different to majority of the b/s spoken on here about it.

And besides all that - the Lady Supercats have qualified for their 3rd successive finals appearance, so seems the change wasn't too bad after all.

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Tiger Watcher  
Years ago

@Sportsfan....coaches on the mens side

Dandenong - Safe
Nunawading - Safe
Bendigo - Safe - But poor year by there standards
Kilsyth - Safe
Brisbane - Doubtful
Geelong - Safe
Frankston - Safe
BA CoE - Safe
Hobart - New appointment
Ballarat - Safe
Knox - Doubtful (Enter knox haters)
Sandringham - 50/50
NWT - Safe
Canberra - Safe
Albury - Doubtful
MT G - Safe

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Solid Moves  
Years ago

@SEABL Watcher - I read the review and didn't even pick that up! Good eyes!

The reviews have improved out of sight as the season has gone on. They started as very "Live Stats" based but now seem to be on point most of the time... Except the odd mistake as above ;)

I think some serious credit needs to go to that Dale bloke in charge of it all. The SEABL as a league has become a hell of a lot more professional lately with all of this stuff.... If only some of the teams *cough* Hobart *cough* would act professional as well...

One thing that could be done is bring back the Live Stream service.. I'd rather watch that than the AFL on a Saturday night. And I'm sure the Imports families would appreciate it too... Not sure why I haven't seen it around.. Sure the commentary was a bit hit and miss but I thought it was really good as a whole.

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Annon  
Years ago

O'Brien was completely torpedoed by the clubs management.
Got to feel for him and many still do.
It's one thing to sack someone (even as crazy as the caption rallying against him with the ceo)but their is also the need to manage the situation and not open up innuendo on the coaches character.
Paul deserved much more than that form Geelong after all he did for the club, poor form.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

How many clubs in recent times have burnt tens of thousands of dollars paying out contracts??

I can think of over a dozen without any effort, expensive ones too.

It would appear rather than managing and working through situations before they become untenable its easier to stop communicating and screw up contracts and pay them out.

No wonder many clubs are struggling financially when they continually make irrational expensive decisions, usually agenda driven rather than performance drive and waste money on these situations.

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SEABL Watcher  
Years ago

Agree 100% on the Live Stream video of games Solid Moves. It really gave distant fans a connection to the league that's sadly missing from Livestats & match reports.

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Bear  
Years ago

Who mandates it and who directs the way SEABL games are promoted, it is each club or can the organisation itself dictate that from season 2015 they lave stream games as well as just provide the stats?

If they can do this at Nationals, surely they can have a go at getting it on track at SEABL level, this day and age with technology as it is...

I don't think it would affect crowds, if that is the concern!

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SEABL Watcher  
Years ago

I think it's a case of having the staff (& equipment) available to stream the games. I expect they lost that when Ed Reddin left.

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Solid Moves  
Years ago

@bear - I think you'll find that most teams tape the games for their own use anyway (coaching etc..) Surely the league could look at tapping into that with clubs willing to go the extra mile to promote themselves.

All you need is a device, a teenager, $20 for payment and the know how to set it all up. It really is the final thing missing from the league at the moment.

For someone like me who's closest SEABL team is over 90 minutes away it would save me a hell of a lot of driving every weekend if Live Streaming was a go!

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Bear  
Years ago

Yeah, it may have an initial set up cost but once every team has the equipment covered then the costs would be mostly paying someone to run it I suppose.

Assistants could come from the juniors, who would love to halp out I'm sure...

Internet channel and streaming I don't know the cost of, but I think it wouldn't be much.

SEABL just need to get Ted's Camera House or something as a major sponsor!!

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sportsfan  
Years ago

its easy most clubs can do it through a live streaming function on youtube you just connect the camera to digital converter box then to your laptop

i think thats how i remember SEABL did it last year

problem most clubs have is what internet speeds they have & cost thats the same as all clubs require to upload all there games for coaches to Dropbox

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sportsfan  
Years ago

the clubs that live stream this year are Canberra through there youtube basketballact & Kilsyth have started it this year on both there games in there youtube

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HO  
Years ago

At what point is livestreaming worth the effort (I don't agree with the "its simple" proposition).

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Solid Moves  
Years ago

@HO - there are quite a few. Starting with marketing your fan base to a larger audience.. All of those sorts of numbers are what counts in today's world.

Teams could go as far as even getting quarter sponsors for the film - if they're that tech savy. There are plenty of benefits.

It's also a good way to get fans interested in away fixtures. The Live Stats aren't reliable and wont tell you what's going on. For teams like Hobart and NW Tas this would be great as it's either a home game or nothing for them in terms of watching the team. Same with MtG and Canberra.

I would be very disappointed in the league if they didn't at very least consider streaming all the finals games. Need to give everyone an equal chance to watch their team no matter what their location.

Teams want to get more professional with playing strips, court signage, G-Town lights etc. so how about we get the basics right with providing visual coverage of the nations premier basketball comp outside the W/NBL

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HO  
Years ago

Solid Moves. Sorry. My question wasn't clear. I wasn't asking for justifications, i was asking at what point it becomes meaningful enough to justify.

200 viewers per game?
600 per game?

Last year regular season games basically did up to 500 viewers (although many of them could have watched "after" the live broadcast). Finals did quite well.

But that was when you had one game per round. if you have four games a night livestreamed, your audience potentially become less than 100.

Is that worth it?

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sportsfan  
Years ago

before the season started Ed did contact the clubs from what i know and from information he had said what clubs didnt have much to do to be able to live stream and and any others needed help to what has to be done he would help.

i seabl have offered the help i think its the clubs if they say yes or no and if they need the equipment .

clubs have the last choice to what they want to do seabl can offer help in how they streammed but upto the clubs promotion

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HO  
Years ago

BTW Solid Moves, from talking to stats people, if the livestats aren't working its the same reason that livestreaming won't work - internet connection.

i know a bunch of people who watch games on livestats while they have the footy on tv etc.

i think generally if the internet is ok, livestats works pretty well.

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FalconsTV  
Years ago

If there are any of you from the clubs who would like assistance with live streaming please ask. Happy to help. If you are not with a club, just suggesting it is easy, please do your own research. Conceptually it is quite simple, and can be great fun, but it is a lot more than simply getting a camera, a connection and a Junior to operate it for $20.00.

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FalconsTV  
Years ago

P.S. Before you flame away, we have produced over three hundred hours of game footage over the last two years so I would suggest we have a few runs on the board.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

When is "The Flog" going to make a comment about the Rangers destroying everything in the path!

Seems Flog's gone quiet?????

Geelong's balance seems lost, Nuna will never shot 65% in a half against Rangers again and MTG don't have the depth.

Rangers Smoking hot favorites. DQ and Lewis to good of a combination and Harmsy chippn in to tuff!

Good on Darren Perry too, getting better and better at the helm every season!

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HO  
Years ago

FalconsTV,

What sort of viewership are you getting live?

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FalconsTV  
Years ago

HO. Approx 40% of the in stadium audience per game, with an increase in the physical audience being observed. That has gone up by 10-15% over 2013. A lot of the online audience is from interstae or overseas.

Also, anecdotally, opposition clubs encorage their players to watch when possible! :-) We have no secrets!!

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Hobart almost certain to lose either Deba George or Tom Wright next season, possibly even both? Even a first time spectator would spot the battle of ego's that goes on week after week.

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HO  
Years ago

FalconsTV,

I am glad you have no secrets. Can you tell us how many were actually watching (median, average even) as opposed to a perentage of something that I might guess but probably get wrong?

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FalconsTV  
Years ago

HO. 2013 figures here: http://www.mindittv.net/cms1/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&layout=blog&id=1&Itemid=50

Numbers are up in 2014

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HO  
Years ago

Thanks FTV,

So the 2378 was across all games - Champ men, women, youth men and women?

And across regular season and finals. So potentially 50+ games?

Any numbers on per game views? You don't really measure broadcast viewership in unique's, you do that for web traffic. A TV station would be belting itself over the Head if it measured unique's.

I find the 10% ROI interesting. Seems modest based on what i would perceive is Waverley's crowd...

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Anonymous  
Years ago

All SEABL games are taped and the league sends them to every club each week for scouting so don't think the next step to live stream would be too hard, it would be getting commentary though that would be the issue

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Whitey  
Years ago

Well Hobart could do worse than start BJ at the 3 and chase a imports at the 5 and 1 or 2.

Whilst I love the Chargers, I can't wait for the 2015 season to start for the men.

BUT I can't wait to see how far Scheer and Francis can take our Lady Chargers.

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FalconsTV  
Years ago

HO. Yes I do have the per game figures, and unique viewers is a good way of measuring, rather than hits. I won't post them but if you are wanting to set this up for your club, and are serious rather than just curious I am happy to chat offline. 10% is quite realistic when starting out as we had no real figues to judge by.

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Happy Days  
Years ago

Falcons TV, Can you give me an idea of cost per game?

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FalconsTV  
Years ago

Happy Days. Yes, but offline.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

The SEABL doesn't send the game tapes anymore to the clubs. That hasn't occurred for a few years. They are allavailable through drop box.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Suddenly there are secrets?

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SEABL Watcher  
Years ago

Are the game videos on Dropbox available to anybody or only SEABL clubs?

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Tiger Watcher  
Years ago

The dropbox is for club officals i.e coaches/admin.

Eveyone gets the same spread sheet with all games normally uploaded be the wednesday of each week.

It really is a great way to distribute the film around the league.

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Solid Moves  
Years ago

@HO - I was meaning the fact that sometimes things are missed on the live stats because there is so much going on. Watching the game at the same time as keeping an eye on the stats will tell you how much is missed and not told through that story.

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bethdavis10  
Years ago

I've been MIA for a few weeks, but Round 16 SEABL Wrap Up is now online at AndTheFoul.Net

http://andthefoul.net/archives/8387

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GM1  
Years ago

Pioneers' Brad Hill named Player of the Week.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Rumors of more drama at hobart. No specifics as yet but has resulted in a very strict code of conduct document being established within the club.

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Anon  
Years ago

More strife at Knox. Chambers and Baldwin have fallen out. Baldwin has quit junior coaching coordinator role. Junior raiders boss DP brings in old mate Bedrich Flizar. Knox coaches pissed that job wasn't advertised . So much for DP saying things were gunna change for the better under his watch.

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LC  
Years ago

Round 16 Recap was posted on PnR yesterday - every Tuesday...

SEABL Round 16: Frankston Nabs A Finals Spot while the Lady Braves Lead the South Conference

The Frankston Blues have raced into the South Conference top four, picking up an important win over the Canberra Gunners before taking care of the Centre of Excellence.

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Tiger Watcher  
Years ago

I know the gossips love it but i think all SEABL supporters hope both Hobart & Knox can really get it all together and put competitive units back on the floor.

I know everyone loves to h8 knox but when they were up and about the league was better for it. (Plus would love to have them back at there old venue...it was a great place to play unlike the souless new place)

Same goes with Hobart its a tough place to win but everyone gets up for the games and loves the trip down there.

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anon  
Years ago

Spot on Tiger Watcher

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Happy Days  
Years ago

I agree.Need to have clubs strong for a vibrant competition.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Are we serious?

Violins for Knox and Hobart!

How about Kilsyth having a great season, or Canberra finally doing well in the SEABL after years in the wilderness? Or maybe the continued strength of Dandenong, Nunawading, Mount Gambier and Geelong?

There are so many other compelling storylines to the season other than Knox and Hobart having a bad run.

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Anon  
Years ago

Does anyone know what caused Baldwin and Chambers to fall out? at Knox.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Kilsyth will fall over as usual. Canberra now minus an important part of their players, Pioneers and the Specs will roll on.

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Anon  
Years ago

It is alleged Baldwin got caught out for not attending training. Made up some BS excuses. I think there is more to it, he didn't get along with the other asst coach. He is rumoured to be quitting the club after YL finals.

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Anon  
Years ago

Knox haters get on this. The rumours persist. It is alleged:

Shanahan's contract will be renewed for 2 years - can you believe that?
Westover and Baldwin gone - both rarely sighted developing junior coaches.
Flizar recruited by his mate Philips (job not advertised!!)- can't coach but will look after mates and their daughters.
Chambers disenchanted with the lack of professionalism - at least she believes in developing Knox Juniors unlike MS.

WTF is going on - yes we say it would be good to see Knox back performing - not while these happenings are going on.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Tonights results no surprises.

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Happy Days  
Years ago

Congrats to Jazzmar Ferguson who has signed a contract with Cremona in the Italian Serie A. A great reward for hard work.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Yeah that's why Chalmers is still coaching the Bandits.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

result last night wasnt too surprising, but the article in the mercury was interesting to say the least! a few interesting comments from willie nelson.

http://www.themercury.com.au/sport/local-sport/hobart-chargers-snatch-home-win-in-game-sparked-by-youth/story-fnj92b0f-1227002121665

stats look ordinary, shooting all over the place! Hobart should have buried them! especially BJ taking 3-13 from outside meanwhile Hartwell returning a pathetic 2-10 freethrows :/

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Anon  
Years ago

Watched nuna v Knox game. Knox terrible and undisclined. Brown and Cameron tossed. Brown gets another T on the way out. Knox coaches behaviour pathetic, particular Shanahan and Ryan. Players are selfish and more interested in own stats.

Shanahan has no control of group. Worst Knox team culture I've seen in 25 years of watching Seabl.

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Pandora  
Years ago

Wow anon what did the Knox coaches do for you to say that?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

So much wank here from people the knoe SFA.
Example.
"Hobart almost certain to lose either Deba George or Tom Wright next season, possibly even both?"
"Even a first time spectator would spot the battle of ego's that goes on week after week."

Clearly you aren't a first time spectator and you really have no idea about the dynamics of the club.

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T  
Years ago

#484837

Willie Nelson coaching. I'd like to see that!

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Strange that you cant read #484837 and expect to be taken seriously and not even know the name of the acting head coach. Quoting stats and the like and yet you a serious dickwad.

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anon  
Years ago

Could someone clarify how conference finals work?

Assuming 1 v 2 and 3 v 4 (elimination) with winner of 1 v 2 getting a home conference final and the loser grabbing a second chance v winner of 3 v 4?

So NWT @ Mt Gambier likely...

Any finals bound teams losing players to NBL pre season or overseas commitments?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Yes, that's how it works.

Daly to NBL?
Hill to the gong.

Adnam to Sixers
Narburgs?

Odigie to United

Creek to Sixers

Fisher to Cats?

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Tiger watcher  
Years ago

DQ to adelaide

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Happy Days  
Years ago

How sure are to you TW?

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SEABL Watcher  
Years ago

I hope it's true... exciting player who deserves a shot at the next level.

Big win by Knox today. The race for East conference spoon is on again.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Kilsythe did not fall over on the weekend did they? Handed Geelong a couple of losses on a platter.

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Tiger Watcher  
Years ago

@Happy Days....not 100% sure but heard it is in the wings...pending the return of joey from the States and working him out.

Looking for likely than not and he is the 1 option on the list at the moment.

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Solid Moves  
Years ago

Geelong better sort themselves out soon if they want to have a real crack. Against Hobart this coming weekend should give us a real indication if they'll find something before finals. After that Brisbane away isn't ever easy and Ballarat at home won't be simple either.

Wish things could just hurry up and get into finals! #gorangers

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Anonymous  
Years ago

"Kilsythe did not fall over on the weekend did they? Handed Geelong a couple of losses on a platter."

Clearly the the drugs aren't working.

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LC  
Years ago

Round 17 Recap is now up on PnR:

SEABL Round 17: Finals Hopes for the Gunners and Sabres All But Dashed

Threatening the South Conference top four just a fortnight ago, the Canberra Gunners' finals hopes are all but dashed now after a dismal 0-2 road trip of Tasmania.

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Bear  
Years ago

Great work again LC!

Actually, I just wanted to be post No. 800...

:]

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Onlooker  
Years ago

LC,

That people is clearly not from this year. I think you can do better than that!

Appreciate the effort and the content!

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Onlooker  
Years ago

Spellcheck: people = photo

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Chalmers said about their loss to their Rangers. "When you play these sort of teams it gives you a really good indicator of where you're at. "And right now, we’re a little off the pace.
“Pretty happy with most of the game through three quarters but they got up 17 on the back of them being too talented for us.
So you are off the pace and they got up buy 17 and "we are a little off the pace". Yep a long way off the pace.
Time for the local journo to get his hand off Chalmers' whateva.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

observers noticed the majority of Hobart Chargers squad didn't front up for club games Wednesday night. under instruction from chargers hierarchy? surely they all weren't injured!

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Anonymous  
Years ago

NWT are on the slippery slide yet again. Phil must be unhappy considering they may meet MtG in the early finals.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Last two losses at Dandy and at Mount Gambier are any teams winning those ones?

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Ballislife  
Years ago

Hobart are looking very undermanned this weekend with Callum Barker out at Adidas Nations and Cameron Brown out for educational reasons. Add in the fact that Zac White has been cut and Frazer Gerick left and that means you only have 5 of your usual 10 guys in play. Could be a long weekend for the Chargers!!!

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Anonymous  
Years ago

6 out of 10 that makes. Should be ok. They have a long history of not using the bench anyway.

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Triton 60  
Years ago

NW Tas will be happy with their effort last night in Mt Gambier. Didn't have Kyle Clarke (U17 worlds) and Nate Wilson got injured early in the second (played 14mins) and the game still was only a 2 possession game with a minute to go.

Will be a cracker of a first conference final!

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Did Daly play?

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Triton 60  
Years ago

No he didn't, I overlooked that! Not sure if he's injured or involved in NBL tryouts/pre-season?

Anyone ever seen a SEABL player get 3 fouls in under a minute? Tyrone Lee just pulled off that feat in the first Q v Sandy...

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Anon  
Years ago

Watched Knox v ballarat tonight. First time I've seen both teams this year. Can't believe ballarat flogged Knox by so much last meeting. Entertaining game and high intensity.
Knox had game in the bag. Coach's rotations puzzling with often having his starters off the court all at the same time for long periods and on numerous occasions. Use of timeouts were unusual. Seemed to panic and was left with none when they were desperately needed.
This was a game that slipped through their hands. Ballarat should count themselves lucky.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Word on the street is Rangers Mens SEABL job is being discussed with a few different people for next season.
Is Perry leaving?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Doubt that very much

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Tiger Watcher  
Years ago

@Anon - Unless DP wants to leave (why would he!) there is no way you'd not offer him another contract.

They are rolling and will go close if not win again this year....no way do you not do whatever it takes to ensure he is coaching again next year.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Tiger Watcher - I totally agree, don't forget DP didn't want to leave as DOC either and was not re appointed.
Will be very interesting.

Not Perry looking to leave, actually people been approached to express interest.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

If Perry leaves Dandenong then I'd expect quite a few people to go with him... Champion bloke

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Tiger Watcher  
Years ago

Maybe Lowry could get the gig?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Maybe Lowry talking to a few people on the quite.
Every time a coaching change happens people/players make threats of leaving.

You would have to think Lowry taking DP's job as DOC everything isn't chocolates and roses.






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Anonymous  
Years ago

Dandenong have put out expressions of interest for their bigv coaches which is normal practice, they will do the same for SEABL, doesn't mean they are actually looking to replace them

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Maybe he want to go to sunny surfside Geelong?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

#486422 Are you confirming the job will be advertised?

Why would Big V Coaches EOI be out before the SEABL job is resigned or filled?

So in other words your saying - Rangers advertise jobs they don't want to fill?? That makes no sense at all.




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Anonymous  
Years ago


Knox is a disgrace and has been years before Shanahan or anyone else was at the club. Senior Budgets of over 250k its a joke. Should have won more than 2 Championships on that budget.

The Senior program had 2 months to put a team together after the board actually figuring out they were playing in the SEABL and not the Big V. So you can't point blame on Cheryl or Matt. Limited Budgets and players that weren't ready to step up to SEABL cause they have been recruited over for many years. Waterhouse, Aver, Grant, Hare, Tomat, Horstman and Cope have all been exposed to SEABL competition and most have trouble competing at that standard because they have just been able to do whatever they want at a Youth League level. Chambers has done the same with the women, nobody can score.

I have a question? How many local juniors actually play in some of the top teams in the SEABL? Nunawading? Dandenong? Geelong? MtGambier? Knox would be on par or probably have more than local players than most teams. The SEABL isn't a development League its the 2nd best comp in Australia and if players aren't good enough for SEABL then you must recruit.
So you can put twists and turns and view the situation anyway you want to make Shanahan the bad guy. I feel for him personally first year stuck with an old dated team, second year no time to recruit and limited budget.
You read this rubbish on these sites from disgruntled, uneducated, misinformed Knox people that say they care about the club when really you don't care you just want to cut people down and finger point. If you cared you would shut up and stop the rubbish and offer help and assistance to a club that won't go anywhere unless you haters don't get a life.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Well the EOI for youth league was released just after the women lost the semi, think it was next day, it was for both men and women.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Geelong- Herbert, Medved, Owusu, Varley.

McInerney played VJBL for Geelong.

Harrison is as good as a local.

Rocci is from Werribee- logical next club up.

Leaving two imports, Gynes and Cannan

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Dandenong is run by imbeciles. Don't even post about them. The CEO is a dead set crook who lies between his teeth and the president a troubled man with no life or commercial experience.

Whatever they say or do is complete Bull's mess.

I've heard from numerous people too the Men's SEABL job is being discussed on the quiet. Glad it's being made public, hopefully it supports Perry.

Dandenong don't deserve a good bloke like him after the way they poorly treated him amongst many others.

I wonder if Jayco will save the day again?







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LC  
Years ago

Round 18 recap is now up on PnR:

SEABL Round 18: South Conference Front Runners Stumble While The Lady Chargers Aim For Top Spot

The Mt. Gambier Pioneers were officially crowned South Conference champions as they defeated second placed N/W Tasmania Thunder, 79-87.

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Anon  
Years ago

@486438 .

You cannot be serious?
None of these Knox kids you name are up to Seabl? Haven't they finished top of their pool in Youth League? They have been able to run around doing what they want in YL? What does that mean? Who's fault is that and what is being done about it?

Shanahan recruited Brown (too old and broken down), jones (import dud), graham (import foul prone), carter (selfish and can't shoot), Doyle (if he can get the ball off carter can be ok - but Aver just as good), Linton (Waterhouse and Horstmann equally as good), page (nbl dev player? Cannot play foul prone - Waterhouse ,Aver, Horstmann , Marshall , Unwin all capable to fill his shoes).
Shanahan has won 11 games in 2 years. The previous teams prior played in conference finals for 6 consecutive years. Don't give broken down teams as an excuse - you don't go from winning 23 games to 5 games with the same group in one year. Ask these players what happened - they hated his guts. Just like what happened in Ballarat when he coached.

So in typical fashion, he blamed the players and cleaned them out. This year he told the board he would play finals with the group he assembled. FAIL!

So what's the excuse now - prior management, low budget, world hunger, GFC!!

To say the young Knox kids are not up to seabl is a disgrace - Shanahan is on record saying this. Well what about putting time into them - he is the DOC after all!
To say the kids are running around doing what they like is an admission of neglect. Fix it rather than write the kids off.

Shanahan has history of deflecting blame - ask the people at Kilsyth, Ballarat, Oakleigh, Waverley and Coffs. Not one of these clubs would ever have him back - usually a good warning sign for recruiting staff. Knox was aware of some of this history but chose to ignore it. Unfortunately an ex board member overruled the preferred candidate because of personal dislike of the man.

There is a pattern here and no one is prepared to investigate it.
Shanahan is not interested in building a culture of excellence at Knox.

Anon - you say the haters are negative. You are correct. We are negative about what Shanahan is doing to our club and the message our coaches and players are receiving. Is it wrong to comment on this - I'll let others be the judge of this.

All I will say is his record at Knox is no different to the other clubs he's been at.

I hope your belligerent comments about the YL kids come back to bite you. History is there for all to see - and we will all be judged by it. Particularly you and your coaching mate Shanahan.



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Anonymous  
Years ago

Shanahan does not develop young players he destroys their game, simple. Terrible coach

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Matt Shanahan is arrogant and seems to think his half ass NBL career is the be all and end all. Send him to Dandenong and we will have Perry. Seems Matt would fit in well with the culture at that club.

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Anon  
Years ago

Love to have DP come back to Knox. Can we trade MS and his recruits for DP?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

What so be could destroy another club , think dandenong are far too savvy to take on someone like shannahan

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Anonymous  
Years ago

McInerney is from Timboon and played for Warnambool until he moved to Ballarat to play VJBL. I don't think he ever played for Geelong until SEABL...happy to be proven wrong though

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Anonymous  
Years ago

McInerney played Geelong U16. Then moved to Ballarat for boarding school so played with Miners in U18. Then wanted to play Youth League so moved to Kilsyth. Got into Stetson and played 4yrs there before returning to Geelong and play for O'Loughlin who coached him in U14 and U16 for Vic Country and Geelong U16 VJBL.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Libellous statements now it seems.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

As for Geelong, you will also find that Cannan and Gynes moved to the area to follow career and lifestyle options.

Having said all that. Nobody owns any player, they are all "free agents". Players will and should move for many reasons. Some make good decisions and some make bad decisions. Some clubs go out and chase good Australian talent and pay them to change. Their call.

From the club perspective it all comes down to their philosophy, all will be slightly different. Some though seem like they don't have one...

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Yeah Dandenong are real Savvy, that's why the basketball Victoria President resigned from the board at Dandenong.
Real Savvy!

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Happy Days  
Years ago

Who will get Geelongs SEABL gig next year?

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Anon  
Years ago

^ Shanahan ?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Have they ruled out O'Loughlin coaching again in the NBL off season?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Not sure if it was the club who ruled O'Loughlin out or if he ruled himself out - I wouldn't be surprised if it was more of the later. I doubt Jamie would have wanted to continue to be the head coach when he wouldn't be available for the preseason due to Wildcats commitments and if he has continued commitments with the U17s which is taking up more time, he may feel that he isn't able to give his best to the Supercats and someone who is available fulltime would be a better option.

Regardless of whom made the decision - Basketball Geelong is taking expressions of interest in the following positions for next year:
Following the recent announcement of the departure of SEABL men's coach Jamie O'Loughlin to the Perth Wildcats, and in light of the changes within our senior women's program in 2014, Basketball Geelong is calling for Expressions of Interest for the following roles.
SEABL Men
SEABL Women
BigV Division One Men
BigV Division One Women
BigV Youth League Men
BigV Youth League Women
VJBL Coaches
VJBL Assistant Coaches
VJBL Team Managers

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Nice venomous rant again Anon, by the way, they won 9 games last year not 5.

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Anon  
Years ago

9 games woohoo!

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Yes unfortunately his first season with the team he didn't want went better than the second season with the team he personally selected.

Ouch.

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Anon  
Years ago

^ lol. Flat out cant coach. But people (maybe it's Matt ) keep defending him. As mentioned in previous post history will be the judge.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

So many experts. So any retards.

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Anon  
Years ago

^^ and which one are you?

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Anon  
Years ago

^^ and which one are you?

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Craig  
Years ago

Good to see Polk continue to prove Hobart should have resigned him. Way better numbers than the three they have used this year put together.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

I don't comment on things I nothing about anon. Clearly you think you do. So wrong.
A forum is for intelligent discussion, not mindless ill informed opinions professing to be right all the time.
That I do know to be true.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Heard that Shanahan told one of his players that he has already been signed for another 2 years! Surely this is A JOKE!! Good bye Knox if it is true.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Move on SC.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Ok, without this degenerating into another strong of bag Knox threads, who has done a good coaching job this season?

I would say Rod Popp at Kilsyth using local content and only having one import has been pretty good. They are well placed moving into the playoffs.

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Anon  
Years ago

SC has moved on and thank god for that say most at Knox

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Anon  
Years ago

SC has one thing over MS. His coaching record is clearly superior and his players love him. FACT!

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Anonymous  
Years ago

"GEELONG" Supercats would appear to be a thing of the past. Only 4 guys actually form Geelong in the team.

And expect that number to lessen if they don't enforce a youth policy because with the lack of talent in the Geelong YLM team (and D1 if you even consider that) they will need to continue to recruit non-Geelong people to stay competitive.

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HO  
Years ago

Have Geelong got any kids in College? Are Cannon and Gynes in Geelong long term?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

**Stingray Alert**
Anon - 486600

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Anonymous  
Years ago

**Stingray Alert**
Anon - 486600

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Bear  
Years ago

@HO, I think Ash has his work in Geelong and could stay as long as he wishes, not sure about Gynes.

There is a number at college at the moment, potentially two or three more going next year and there are two (one male one female) at the COE at the moment as well.

There is talent in the junior ranks, it just needs time to filter through and the right coaches to get the best out of them, probably like most other Associations.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Lot of talent in Geelong it's just spread through several teams think Geelong have the most teams entered between SEABL and big v for men and women. Plenty of young talent coming through the ranks too but a few years off from what I was told, so maybe Geelong have a good future just have to battle it out the next year

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Anonymous  
Years ago

This came out in the last week or 2 when another Geelong youth was announced as heading off to college:
Watson joins Ellie Stevens (San Jose State), Sam Johns (North Country Community College), Nathan Lemke (University of Indiana- Pennsylvania), Alex Sheedy (Fresno State), Jock Landale (Saint Mary's) and Madi White (University of South Dakota) among players with Supercats links that will play in the US this college season.

Regarding Cannan - he has a stable job in Geelong, his parents live the other side of Melbourne, while his wife is from Canada and she seems to enjoy it in Geelong. When he signed with Geelong, his wife said she wanted to return to Australia - so his long term future with Geelong will depend as much with her as anything; but the fact he was made VC this year would indicate that he believes he will be sticking around for longer then just these past 2 years.

Gynes - got married a few months ago to Nicole Hunt and he said with his move to Geelong was also to do with being closer to her family. Not sure what her basketball plans are, but he has a job in Geelong and has fitted in well with the team; so hopefully he stays.

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Tiger Watcher  
Years ago

Can't hate of teams anon for lack of local content at SEABL level.

People moving cities/jobs/uni's etc so most associations need a certain number of players that didn't come thru juniors to compete and fill out a roster to a decent standard.

Players should automatically get games cause they played juniors there whole career, you still need to be up to the standard.


Most clubs would be pretty wrapped with 3 to 5 juniors in the SEABL team and hopefully gradute 1 in to a solid starter/role player each season.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

^^ Watson is going to a juco college! like so many others

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Kilsyth have more than one - they are all Kilsyth except for Lang.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Anon still posting more bile.

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Anon  
Years ago

Yes Kilsyth get it. They lost import but their is a clear pathway for juniors. Popp is on the right track. Knox junior program has smashed Kilsyth for 10 years. Yet anon says our kids in YL undisciplined.
Cotter and Longstaff would never let Knox kids to be recruited over. Chambers gets it. Shanahan does not give a shit about Knox. His past coaching record is pitifull. He will never get another Seabl gig.
Time for whoever is defending him to pull their head in. You are backing a loser on so many levels.
I'm not a big fan of SC, but I have to say he is light years ahead of MS.
Knox has a small window to address this. My betting they will not have the balls to address it.

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Anon  
Years ago

Matt time to get out of bball. It appears the bball world is a wake up to you.

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Agnes M  
Years ago

Anon Q who has done a good job coaching this season - you would have to include Darren Perry. Let's hope sanity prevails and he is reappointed. While this year is not finished yet, last three years results speak for themselves.

If rumors are true and there is a "quiet sounding out of coaches", I would love to know what the KPI's and criteria for appointment are for a head coach gig at Dandenong and how Perry could have failed to meet any of them to not warrant another appointment.

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Anon  
Years ago

Popp,Thomas, giovanni, hill, bower, flint, mceachin, caporn, oloughlin are VG coaches. Perry is outstanding.

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Anon  
Years ago

Popp,Thomas, giovanni, hill, bower, flint, mceachin, caporn, oloughlin are VG coaches. Perry is outstanding.

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Anon  
Years ago

@Anonymous 486643.

I'm anon and I would guess there 100's anon's. Who is spreading the bile?
I am sensitive to criticism and feel hurt by your personal attack.

Oh my bad - sorry to all the other Anonymous' out there. I'm as guilty as the silly prick who suggests there is only one anon posting "bile" comments.

Guess we are all guilty by association.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

What date are seabl finals pls

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HO  
Years ago

#486652 - "Anon"

Seriously, get yourself a proper forum name.

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bethdavis10  
Years ago

The All-SEABL final is Sunday 14th September at Dandenong
All info here - http://www.seabl.com.au/index.php?id=252

Conference finals held the week prior at respective home courts.

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Anon  
Years ago

HO - which anon are you referring to?

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Anon  
Years ago

Yeah HO.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Rangers don't have a coaching criteria, as long as the president gets a free feed at SEABL games That's the criteria.
CEO and him have a system going, making sure if anyone complains on contests against them they over power and protect each other.

Only person that has influence makes caravans and they only ever call to protect the WNBL Coach.
You only have to think back at the Rangers coaching criteria when Wright was resigned.

End of story.

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Anon  
Years ago

@Anonymous #486834

Wow were back on the president getting some food in the box and caravans, this whole angle of attack on Dandenong is getting slightly old and boring to be honest

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Agnes M  
Years ago

Starting to feel a bit sorry for this Dandenong President whoever he is. Surely he does more than eat food in a corporate box. You make it sound like he is a massive hog. I have visions of him making his way through the stadium, picking up the odd left over food at the tables and slipping it into his Ranger backpack for later.

Let's leave the food consumption alone and focus on making the right calls to ensure a successful Dandynong program.

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John  
Years ago

I think the Rangers women will meet their matach tonight in Hobart. Francis makes Hobart the best team in the league. The men's game could be a major blow out.

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SEABL Watcher  
Years ago

this whole angle of attack on Dandenong is getting slightly old and boring to be honest


As opposed to the constant attacks on Knox? ;-)

/humour

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Anonymous  
Years ago

John I think your forgetting dandenong don't just rely on one single player unlike Hobart ,they run extremely deep so whilst Francis may still have a good night out, they will not stop the rest of the rangers scoring, or be able to hold their defensive attacks.
One good player on a team does not equal "best team in the league".

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Francis came in late and is far from Hobarts only option. Should be a great match with #1 spot up for grabs.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Lady chargers from 10 points down at quarter time snatch the win in o/t

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Hobart men thrashed... seems like most players were vying for worst of the game.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

dunno about everyone else but looks like the lady chargers have more than one player?!

good spread of points and thats without Kathleen Scheer getting on the board.

not surprising to see Chilcott, Wischer and McCauley having reasonable games. All have been consistent this season.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

It almost seems like we are just waiting for the inevitable Dandenong v Mt Gambier final in the Men. Both teams are a level above everyone in their conference.
Dandenong v Nunawading should be a great conference final but Dandenong import pair should see them over the line.
Mt Gambier v NW Tasmania in the other side looks like a one horse race.

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Hungry  
Years ago

Let's hope the Dandy President doesn't mistake David Graham for a sausage roll!

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Dande were missing a few players by the looks of things and Anderson didn't use her bench enough

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Dandy put a cpl of prayer 3's in OT made the score a lot closer than the tale of the tape.
With an import scoreless for what ever reason the Chargers can improve a lot.

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SEABL Watcher  
Years ago

Bandits seem set to give Nick Payne a fitting farewell, up 31-13 against Nunawading at the end of the 1st.

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SEABL Watcher  
Years ago

Bandits couldn't get the job done but a huge game from Payne in his farewell to Albury.

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T  
Years ago

NW Tasmania way too polished for Dandenong tonight:

93 - 71

Tony Lewis was good, DQ not near as effective as usual.

Well done, Thunder.

Maybe they'll be shown just a little respect now.

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Anon  
Years ago

Payne a true champ.. Will make a good coach.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Nathan Sobey should be on an nbl roster

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Dandy had no andrew harms

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Dandy had 2 starters missing. I guess they Thunder fans didn't know that.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Thunder had no brad Simpson, no kyle Clark.. They are two regular starters.. No excuse Dandenong

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Anonymous  
Years ago

I guess Dandenong fans didn't know that..

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Anonymous  
Years ago

I guess no one really cares Thunder will capitulate as always. The Nongers will rise to the toP as always.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Guess no one cares for the arrogance out of 3175 - as always.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Dandy was missing two starters in both Taz games and was on a second game of a back to back. Def a reason not an excuse for under performing.
Andrew Harms and Owen Odigie are big outs. Good win for NW but I wouldn't be putting too much stock in the win.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Spectres overcome giving up 32 points in the first quarter to pip the Bandits by 1.
Chalmers oversees another loss.

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SMA  
Years ago

Francis is making the while team better by drawing so much attention. But Dandy was -2 players. And with the Lady's post win celebration - I imagine Dandy will be hot for a re-match.

As far as the Hobart men it is great to see Cam Brown and Cal Barker getting involved. Being a team player and working hard can get you places.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Anyone giving the Pioneers any attention?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Pioneers will win the conference.

Enough attention?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

how about the top of the east conference coming into the last week?
Dandy coming off a loss host Sandringham who need to win to take fourth in the south conference.
Nunawading go to Kilsyth following sneaking past Albury.
Ballarat to Geelong in what could be a first round playoff preview?
then on Sunday Dandy to Nunawading.
Seems the race for top spot is still on!

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SEABL Watcher  
Years ago

Yes, an exciting contest for the top 3 positions in the East conference & that last spot in South should make for some great games next weekend.

The battle to avoid the spoon is still on in both conferences as well (I assume we can disregard the