Are NWT as Legit as their record suggests? on just a lite opening schedule?

CofE women lost their first game to powerhouse dandenong rangers, great defensive game by rangers, Alison Downie Clare Papas and young gun Rachel Antoniadou clearly the difference, though stats never show defence. Becoming quite a fan of the up and coming guard antoniadou , she's not huge but can take on players way over her in size and age. Papas was great, nice to see her hitting the floor this year, and Downie as always the professional. Sherf was good in the paint with several blocked shots. All up a great game coach Larissa Anderson back at the helm has certainly made a difference. But those Cof E girls can play just the same. Steph talbot is certainly the go to player rangers did a great job disrupting her game.

Yes Anon, Gynes busy getting married.

Round 5 Recap is now up on PnR:

SEABL Round 5: Daequon Montreal Stakes His Claim while the Kilsyth Lady Cobras Firm as Favourites

The Pioneers remain one of only two unbeaten teams after sweeping the weekend with a win over the Albury/Wodonga Bandits that took them to a remarkable 5-0 road record.

Early days and an early call, nice recap LC, but let's see if the best players can stay healthy all season and when it counts...

Dandenong and Geelong will no doubt have a say near the end of this season, again!

Way to early to be calling those two teams..injures loss of form/players to NBL etc.


The finals format allows teams in form to get thru or teasm to have 1 guy have a big day (i.e DQ) and knock off one of the deeper teams.

DQ has to be on NBL clubs radars considering some of the chumps they have brought out over the years.

I have heard a couple of SEABL players are on the rader for roster spots this year.

DQ is on Tigers Radar depending on there local roster make up.

Also heard Tiger could be looking at SEABL bigs if they don't get Vandenberg to fill the end of the roster. (Conn, Macmillan, Lang)

D-Mac was seen scouting at the Spectres game on Sunday afternoon

Who would he have been scouting?

Conn, Jenkins???

I would think he'd know Macdonalds game pretty well so figure the above to are the obvious from each team.

Unless he was scouting a couple f the younger NWT players whom have started the season well.

Round 6 Recap is now up on PnR:

SEABL Round 6: The CoE Get a Maiden Win But International Duties Hamper the Women's Competition

Mt. Gambier’s unbeaten streak has moved to 9, with a reasonably comfortable 101-92 win over the Knox Raiders...

bragg has been going well for a young kid....not sure of his age but from the number sand reports around the league he is a better development prospect than a couple of the tigers current dev players

Round 6 Wrap Up for men's comp on AndTheFoul.Net

http://andthefoul.net/archives/8273

Now let's get this thread back on track with some real action (and not the hypothetical stuff)!

Round 7 Recap is now up on PnR:

SEABL Round 7: Ballarat Miners the Comeback Kings while a Triple-Header Beats Down the CoE

Watching it on live stats and i couldn't believe my eye.Total capitulation!!!!!

Saw Know last night. Few things, they are too short for starters. There legit big guy fouls out in 15min, couple of soft calls but he put himself in that position. Second import Jones was a non-factor. I liked Graham, high flyer and always had a go. Got out rebounded and out scored in the paint by significant margins. Half their players couldn't catch Carter's passes - he was a step ahead of them.

Overall though the game was over officiated with lots of soft calls that didn't effect the play and have been let go all season. But the refs were consistent with it to both teams throughout so that was a positive.

Anon #603 I wasn't there but it would appear GAFF played one of those support roles and the game was possibly played around him in the centre position on the night, any thoughts?

Cheers, by the looks of it, a real guards game dominated by the little guys, on the score board anyway!

McDonald is hard to cover, a very dangerous player and a key the Nunawading's chances it appears...

Ballarat 5 in a row.

not wanting to start a knox bashing again

but we all asking whats going on then look the coach picked these players so some of you say dont have a shanahan bashing but its him who got the players of doyle , and others where u look at the womens side compared to last year

they lost a few but keep there opals and have lost some big games but are giving the kids ago witch is a really good thing to do

with seabl women comp it isnteresting with the BA CoE team some teams get a easyer game with them having players out like friday where they suit up 6 players where others get them at full strength and lose early in the year

A big round of SEABL action it was!

The Round 8 recap is now up on pickandroll.com.au

SEABL Round 8: Ballarat Miners a Championship Threat while Losing Streaks Continue for Capitals and Sabres

Thought this link may help too:

Statistical Leaders - Men

Bendigo really struggled against rangers men. Not that impressed with either import and the guards had problems with the press.

Knox Suit up Shanahan who would of been waitting for this to happen since he started coaching , JB has done is knee i have been told from there

I say Give the kids a go at knox not all these outside players

Knox women get back on with it Gabe & Kelly back into the action but big game for them this weekend taking on nunawading at home

whats everyones tip in knox men v nunawading men i dunno if i would say nuna above 15 -20 or more

WTF!!!! Matt Shanahan you have lost the plot. Your job is to coach and develop players. I know Aver is injured but what about Waterhouse? You have recruited over him with Doyle, Page, Carter and Linton.
And now you DH, you are playing 25mins (more than your import Jonesa!!)
For Christ Knox hierachy can't you see what is happening? Aver and Waterhouse will be gone plus many of our up and coming juniors because a bloody 38 year old coach wants to play.
Knox SEABL - RIP!

I'm not going to get into whether Shanahan should be suiting up for Knox or not but they got the win & that would have been his goal. Bandits must be terrible to allow Knox to get the win after being behind 33-17 mid-way through the 2nd quarter.

What's the story with Ntumba this year? Was his knee surgery a failure? It's sad to see a player of his former ability relegated to a bench role & only getting a handful of shots per game.

Chargers also looking ordinary & I gather questions are being asked.

The playing yourself to show they way thing isn't a gret look for Matt or Knox...not when you have Carter/imports whom are meant to be the leaders of the team and help bring on the young players already mentioned.

At the start of the year the idea of bringing in Carter/Doyle was a good idea as you mix it wih youth and you could get a nice blend of youth/NBL & internaiotnal experience to help educate the kids and bring them on for the years to come while hopefully staying competitive.

It appears the issues run pretty deep within the group but that said they got the W and play a nunawading team who look to be a little out of form (despite winning).

Shanahan playing sends the wrong message. Play the kids and give them exposure at the higher level.

Agree resending the wrong message...that said Matt needed to win otherwise he could be out of a gig at seasons end.

CoE deserve credit they are hungry and work hard every week and if they can hang in games until the 4th they always can cause teams trouble with the athletes on the team, hopefully a number of them go on to NBL/SEABL and are future stars.

Sorry but the Knox coach hasn't a clue what he's doing, and he can't develop players either, he had one kid that represented Australia was a stand out player before he went to know, and all he did was make him into a passer for his other player, he totally stifled his game, took all his instinct away by having such ridged offensive play that only allowed on player to do all the scoring. And that's just one case he's done that to several players. Makes all sorts of talk about doing this and that but can't deliver.

For the coach to play its a sign of desperation. Ben Harvey might pull on the boots to after his teams performance....

I wonder how several coaches would go if they did pull on the boots. Chalmers would possibly do a better job on the court than several players. Harvey might be a little past it lol.

from what i been told when shanahan 1st signed at knox the old DOC said under no chances to suit yourself up play the kids . Funny now he dosent have anyone in charge he can do what he wants

you cannot blame knox with them giving him a min budget this year he still signed all these outside players where he could of done the other side and tryed the kids look at the youth mens team how good the been for last few seasons

from results this season i see Mt Gambier , Nunawading teams to beat

Kilsyth started good and could get back up there , Geelong as well
and of course NW Tasmania started well

whats everyones thoughts on Dandenong at the moment to where everyone thinks they will go

Shanahan need not worry about developing the young talent at knox because they are so pissed off with him they will leave at the end of the year if he is reappointed.
It is true his contract stipulated he was to coach only playing was forbidden. The atmosphere around the club is one of anger. Club stalwarts cannot believe this has been allowed to happen. If the import is no good play the kids. Time for shanahan to go before the club looses all its talented players and coaches. Trust me time is to act now before further damage is done.

People can accept losing if your developing your kids internally but playing a 37 year old coach instead of youth....mmmmm.....

It comes down to the club and program, every club has a different environment.
I would think Knox, being one of the biggest would have enough talent coming through to promote next in line to fill the spot left by Brown, there's a bloody big Kid in the Youth team, why didn't he travel?
Id also think given the turmoil at Knox in recent years the most important thing strategically if you were head Coach would be to create unity and solidarity amongst the board and members, one way to do that is deliver on the promise to develop and provide opportunities to the juniors, this is a central issue to the unhappiness at the association, to fuel the problem could be seen as career suicide.

TW, its a pretty ballsy move to place your career on the line just for a "W", especially given the environment at Knox.

If they were sitting on the cusp of a finals birth with only a few rounds to go you could mount an argument to play, Saturday night was purely about ego, and as you say, a sign of panic and desperation, which, from a coach at this level is unacceptable and not what you expect for the money being paid.

You'd sincerely hope for Matt's sake he had the full support of the board to play.

Knox exec must be foolish to let this happen? Surely Matt hasn't done this off his own bat?

@051. They have beat coe and albury. Kids and a team in disarray. Knox got a W at what expense? Coaches in junior program scratching their heads as to why the kids they have put so much time into not getting opportunities.
Junior kids who have been around and loyal being blocked by a 38YO Coach who fails to recognize what he is employed to do.
SHAME ON YOU MR SHANAHAN! TIME TO GO!

They got the W my backside. Sounds like Shanahan or one of his dopey assistants comment.
Wake up @051 your comment shows you have no feel for what seabl/d league basketball is about.

Haha. LMFAO! I have not stopped laughing since I read about Matt suiting up.
I recall him commenting last season about it was time for the old players Carroll, Hill, Phillip, Massingale and Strong were pass it. Matt is on record as saying he was going to promote from within partly because of the existing talent and partly because their was a lack of funds.
The man has conned his players - young carroll quit because of lies, Aver acting captain can't get to play, Waterhouse recruited over. Brings in Page as replacement PG then recruits over him bringing in Carter and Doyle.
Massingale the best import ever at knox and doing well at Spartans replaced by import Jones. Jones is a dud and shanahan plays him less minutes than himself. Strong would have played at Knox for less money but was told no budget, so they bring in Graham? Recruits Linton.Why?
Knox D League has been performing for last 5 years . Plenty of kids who have played State level and even gone to US College. Gibcus playing at Ballarat. Dyson will follow Christensen. Kids like Toman, Cope, Tomat, Horstman, Molloy, Marshall are all potential seabl players. They must be sitting back and what is happening to Aver and Waterhouse and think if they can't get a game what hope do we have.
Matt guys like Damian Cotter, Graham Longstaff and Heath Anderson worked their backsides to build this club up. I am ashamed to sit back and watch you destroy my beloved club and watch our young talent being demoralised.
You are the custodian of the Cotter culture and it is incumbent on you to leave the program in thesame or better shape than what you inherited.
Please Knox hierarchy you MUST ACT before we get to the point of no return. Severe the relationship for the sake of our club and its players and members.

@476091. Longstaff and Anderson were heavily involved in the Junior Program under Cotter. Both these guys were fantastic developing young talent well before they became involved as senior seabl coaches. They worked with kids like Sean Carroll, Liam Carroll, Liam Gibcus, Taylor Dyson, Ben Waterhouse, Marek Toman, David Tomat, Dylan Hare, Simon Grant, Shanae Greaves, Sam Donald, Jess May and Rachael Quirk.


Both coaches spent hours with these kids - and it is testament to their devotion that these kids are now pushing or should be pushing for higher levels.

Your comments about not playing them genuine minutes during their SEABL Coaching gigs is true. And if you had any idea what you where talking about, you would realise at this time these kids were developing at a stage whereby the only had just moved into U18s and D League - they use to suit up on the SEABL benches for exposure and experience with training and mixing with the senior players. In other words, they were not ready at this stage to play SEABL, but they were being given a taste of what was to come.


You obviously don't like Graham or Heath - but their legacy is undeniable as evidenced by the above names.

You only have to ask the ëducated" basketball people outside of Knox who understand the game - rather than listen to some pissed of parent(s).

Reading the Knox posts are of interest to me. My club went through the doldrums for a period and now have taken a clear strategy to develop from within.

Both Knox and Kilsyth young talent have followed similar pathways. Their U18-20s and D League teams have been solid performers over recent years.

Coach Popp has followed a strict development program with the juniors. This season the SEABL team is made up of Kilsyth kids with the exception of one import.

The club is making significant inroads and will once again be a powerhouse in the coming years. The junior program is also rebuilding - the same strategy is being applied and is clear and everyone is on the same page.

At Knox I'm amazed they have recruited Doyle, Page when in 2012 Longstaff spent the year grooming Waterhouse to back up Carroll? Why bring in Carter when he had Hill, Massingale, Aver and Hare. Why bring in Todd (last year) and Linton (this year) when he had Philip and Grant?
Why bring in 2 imports (one can't play) and get rid of Massingale and Strong. Why after having his best season in SEABL did Philip retire when clealry he had many more years left in the tank?

Why has a 38 year old coach played - to match up on Ntumbo?

Knox has Graham and Grant to play on Ntumbo and they have a kid Cope (203cm) in D League who could have soaked up minutes.

I think comments in previous post are right - Matt is lacking faith in his group.

Getting the win is one thing - but the future of the club is the main thing.

Like him or hate him Longstaff is widely recognised across the State of Victoria as one of the best development coaches of junior talent - particularly on defence principles and educating Points Guards.

I had the opportunity to work with him in Vic Metro State teams - and I can honestly say the players had the utmost respect for him.

Graham has his traits, so do most coaches eg. Gorgeian, Molloy, Joyce, Gleeson, etc.

I'm not suggesting for one minute that Longstaff is in this category but these gents also have people who don't like them.

But like these people, Longstaff is widely respected for his knowledge and teaching at Junior level. Damian Cotter was responsible for bringing him into the knox program significantly at a time when Knox were just a relatively young inexperienced club.

History speaks for itself - and Cotter/Longstaff partnership was largely the architect of the success the club has had.

I'm told that Longstaff is no longer involved in coaching and if that's the case - it is a huge loss to the game.

Maybe with all its "perceived" problems, Knox or for that matter another club may benefit from inviting Graham back into the fold to help steady the ship?

The way he sees the game, coaches the game, manages his players is impressive. I know I have learnt a lot in the short time we spent together.

Its a pity some people judge others on the outside - its what's inside they are missing.

Travelled to Victoria in 2009 and saw young Toman in U14 Nationals at Dandenong when Knox took it out. Pretty sure Waterhouse was another in that team and young Luke Hannon was captain? Wasn't that under Sean Carroll as coach? Hard to fathom how those guys of that calibre haven't made inroads into the SEABL squad of today.

Chargers likely to sack an import.

"the success Knox has had".

This is not intended to be Knox bashing, just an observers view but I think Knox have underachieved over a long period of time.

For an organisation that for decades has been ranked probably the biggest association in Australia I reckon their "success" is over-stated.

This is an association, given their size, that for years should have been able to field SEABL teams of basically all Knox originated talent + imports - on very few occasions have they done anything like that. And they have been well known for spending big dollars on SEABL & better level players from all over. Of course they have produced good players, and some of them have been listed here, but if everything was working the right way, and if they were genuinely managing all their pathways, there should have been more.

I just reckon they are an association who have consistently failed to deliver on their promise. I wonder if 2014 is just another chapter in that?

Who are the players that slipped through the net? Who werethe in playrrs?

Sorry if it's stating the obvious but I thought an import getting the rocket might be of interest to some here.

I'm sorry to interrupt the detailed analysis of Knox's woes that this site seems to be preoccupied with.

hearing Chragers just await to secure replacement before he gets the flick.

You just need to see their shooting stats against Mt Gambier for an example of why the chargers are losing. I gather the issues with Young went further than his on court performance against MtG.

Dont think either of Hobarts imports have been great. Will they replace Young with an NBL player or another American?

He is very consistent in NWBU and will play the team game. Do what he needs to do to get the W.

Isn't it ironic that it was said up above that "No Shanahan playing and they would have lost and Shanahan would be blamed. They win with him and guess what."

Forget me if i'm wrong, didn't you win last time without Shanahan? So what if you are down one player? Clearly a defensive change needed to be made, and if subbing yourself in is the best option you can think of then clearly you aren't a very good coach! You might want to start figuring out other defensive strategies that will work well for your team.

The Knox Youth league men did not play that night, Leif Cope isn't tall enough? Yes he's inexperienced but you gain experience as a junior from being given a chance and with Justin Brown going down, is that not a big enough opening for some court time? Apparently not, i'll just play myself! - DUMB!

Dylan Hare may not be as tall but he has got the body strength to match it with the bigger men when Grant or Graham need a sub. I'm sure he would of been more than capable and Waterhouse seem to of held his own last time they played Albury, and got decent minutes for a rookie. Just for an extra name to drop ... Robbie Linton getting next to nothing, are you mad Robbie? Considering you've proved you can shoot now and add some spark to the side. Linton had 10 point last time he played Albury.


Seems a bit sus that Shanahan was training with his team that week even before Brown went down with his knee. As apparently Brown hurt his knee late on Thursday night when training was nearly finished.
You were considering playing before and I've heard you tried to play other years as well but got turned down because someone with authority smartly told you no.

I hope you consider how your team is feeling about you playing, as i'm not hearing positive gossip coming out. Apparently the womens team found it hilarious and questioned Cheryl jokingly to suit up. For people to think it was a typo on Live Stats is an obvious statement enough to say you shouldn't be playing.

Learn how to coach, even when the numbers are down and times get tough. Learn a new strategy that will work well for your team. There should never be a time when you should step foot on the floor and embarrass the club the way you have. Because that is how they feel! EMBARRASSED!!

Team morale is going to be shot, and it's because your ego, lack of knowledge, and coaching ability got in the way of it.

YOU ARE A COACH!! DO YOUR JOB!!!
You have a large selection of Knox SEABL and Youth kids to choose from LONGGGG BEFORE YOURSELF!!

If you do choose to suit up again this weekend, i hope to see you are at least the last sub in, not one of the first. Show some respect and faith in your team! or have you not coached them well enough?

Rumour doing the rounds for a few weeks was Bubble had threaten the players after a game that he would suit up and show them how its done!

Pretty sure that it was mentioned on this forum in March/April.

Arguing with reffs, getting in a scuffle with nick Payne. What a great example he set!!

I hope Bubble keeps suiting up for the rest of the season. And Knox win and play finals.
Don't listen to the critics Matt - keep playing and show your players they need to step up.

Round 9 recap now up on PnR:

SEABL Round 9: The Miners Take a Hit as the Dandenong and Nunawading Women Streak On

Don't listen to the critics Matt. Back your gut instinct. That'swwhat makes you the person you are.

Will shanahan suit up this week? Who is going to guard Conn, Cameron, Greer and Creek?
Wonder what Bradke and Borner are up to this weekend? God knows the knox kids aren't up to it!

Suit up? You signed up to be a coach not a player.
As a coach you have to figure out how to guard these players other than using yourself. Does he really have no other solution? Quality coach.

It's sad as I bet this is Matt or a friend of Matt making the comment saying the Knox kids aren't up to it. But they are what you have, contradictory when he was all about development at the start funny how fast that changed.
Nothing about development now it's all about me me me. Watch me.
You are kidding yourself. I hope your team turns on you and promotes to remove you from head coach. Because you clearly are no longer a head coach when you put on a uniform.

ATF write up on the men's games - http://andthefoul.net/archives/8330

The knox players love matt. He told me. He asked them to be honest. That's good enough for me.

I am 58 years old. Can't coach a dog to shit. Think I'm still able to compete against the boronia bowls club best but can't get a game. I'm 6ft 7inch tall. Do ya reckon Matt would let me guard Cameron on Saturday night?

Bring ya dog as well!

Is it true that Cheryl Chambers and robbie Baldwin are suiting up this weekend to cover injuries? My source is not sure if it's for the men's or women's team.

Guess again, they are not happy with it.

You don't tell a women she looks ugly in those jeans, you don't tell a coach something they don't want to hear.

After all the talk on this forum and around SEABL circles re the knox situation it will be interesting to see how they come out against Nunawading on the weekend.

They are at home and you'd hope for a bold showing and a bit of fight against 1 of the top teams in the league.

@ Tiger Watcher. I agree knox should come out firing but they won't because the players are so deflated by the treatment they get from the coach.
I would have to say that things have progressed too far for the guys to want to play for the coach.
Personal pride is the only saving grace for individuals.

Just to deviate from all things Knox.

If Zac White is indeed coming into the Hobart squad he was fired up last night.
45 and 15 boards against Burnie in overtime - although Burnie without their Thunder guy to counter.

Nunawading by 20.Veteran team will put Knox to the sword.

I'm sorry but this is f**** ridiculous. The guys don't want to play for the coach- how about playing for you team or god forbid your club. As a long standing Knox supporter and volunteer I'm ashamed at some of the garbage on here. So obvious who's behind a lot of it. If its true that the lads are sooking up and heading to Frankston to be with Scotty then good luck to them if that's what they want to do. Less trouble in our camp the better, Mitchell can have them!!!

Anonymous would know coz he's played there?

@r u kidding.

So bigshot who is behind this - it's not obvious to me. I have no doubt the players will give their best. But it is naive to suggest they should play for the team or club. Loyalty is a two way street. Is the club being loyal to these knox kids by allowing a 38 year to play in front of them? Is the club being loyal to its suppoters by having the coach play in front of his import?
We DO NOT want our juniors heading to other clubs!!!!!
R u kidding? I doubt you are who you say you are?
Are you Matt?

As everone keeps mentioning Knox re development etc.

I guess the situation down in Frankston isn't any better, under performing import (Long) who is shooting 10% from 3.

They are in a deep hole but without the young talent knox have on the bench.

Jeez, gotta love the one-up-manship on Hoops. Especially from Anonymous(s).
Isaac, are there 100's of them or is it all one bloke with the same IP?

Could be a few of the younger players or there parents who aren't happy that thier little star isn't getting a walkup start to senior bball cuase he was a good player in under 16's

Al wanted to Chuck gone but got blocked by management, the rest is history.Chuck will play Big V next year.

@anon 476411 - With all due respect to those former Knox legends/players father time was catching up with Hill & Strong.

Hill - Great competitior but appeared to be a bit frustratuerd his last couple of seasons.

Strong - Great servant of the club but poor play and steep decline in production plus issues with his body


CJ could have gone on at Knox for a few more years and as a follower of the league I hope he does continue playing for a few more years, hopefully the warm weather is good for the knees,.

Perhaps you should just focus on your retirement down by the beach instead of continually trying to destroy the club that you say you love so much. It was your actions that started back in 2008 that put this club on the path that its on now. Don't forget that.

Wow what did this person do to Knox back in 2008 ?

2011 you say. Knox person doing paperwork back then was also chairman of seabl. You'd think he would know what he was doing?

Your team hates you Matt.
Just saying.

@ Dear Matt
All class aren't you !!!

Don't need to be classy to speak the truth. Truth is the truth even if it's ugly, pretty, trashy or classy.

Correct. Yet to meet a brainy bully!!

Would someone please inform the new CEO at Knox this is not football and player/coach isn't seen as the norm nor does it reflect any professionalism. SEABL is a semi professional league, VFL and AFL don't have head coaches running around on the field. This isn't your local game of winning and losing.

Knox is a big club and has many talented kids to choose from, if you want to play you do not become a coach. Its unprofessional for Knox to have a head coach suiting up, are they that desperate for players?? no!? They have a great selection of boys to choose from.

The only reason you should suit up is when you are down to 5 or 6 players and there is no one else to bring up from youth league, which will never be the case as the youth league team have more than enough players with enough talent to play.

Lack of faith has been shown.

I hope the CEO is aware that 95% of Knox are unhappy with this decision to let him play over youth players. Not a good look for the club and is becoming a comedy. This is not the direction Knox needs to go in, it's not good for the team or the club.

Maybe those with real concerns re Knox issues should be communicating with the Chairperson (Eric Noordzy) rather than airing them on a forum.

The difference is that there are a whole lot more people somewhere out there in internet land who have a bone to pick with Knox - or who get their kicks out of bagging that organisation for petty reasons..

Why is it that every time Knox gets brought up on this forum it degenerates into this sort of crap?

I'd prefer to read something actually interesting!

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1 week out from the Queens birthday weekend break, and it looks like the top two teams in each conference of the women's competition are virtually locked in for the remainder of the year. No surprises that Dandenong, Nunawading and Bendigo are up there. I've got Dandenong v Nunawading in the Eastern Conference Finals being the real championship game - they're both a class above Bendigo and it is a shame that the newly formulated Conferences are so very lopsided.

I think that Kilsyth has been the surprise team so far. Sam Woosnam must be doing something right, she's getting the absolute best out of her roster.

The dark horses of the competition in the second half of the season will be Frankston, Brisbane and Hobart with the late addition of Cayla Francis.

Ballarat have been slumping badly in the last 6 games or so, and have probably dropped off the pace. Knox's fate is determined on whether Kelly or Gabe get picked for more Opals duties, because without them they are definitely a 3-8 side.

Anyone else have thoughts leading into the Easter Break

I have read enough of this rubbish. All the comments that Matt did it for his own ego and to steal court time from Knox juniors is absolutely ridiculous. Shanahan acted in the best interest of his team. I know for a fact that it was a decision reached mutually amongst the playing and coaching staff for Matt to play in Albury after they lost Justin Brown to injury. Leif Cope had not been at training for 2 weeks due to work commitments which is why Matt played. Would you like to name another player who could have stepped up and play the 4 spot like Matt did? None of this was done to stroke his ego.

Matt's first and only thoughts are for this club. Are any of you even aware that he paid out of his own pocket for one of the imports because the club didn't have the budget??

Can Matt coach? Has he had the opportunity or the support to coach? Listening to the rubbish that's on here it's easy to see that he has been up against a lot of haters from the word "go". Let's all remember Steven Hoare played this weekend but we hear nothing from Sandringham. Why?? Where are their Life Members up in arms that he's stolen the place of a junior? Where are all the comments that he must have suited up to stroke his own ego? Where is all the criticism that he mustn't be able to coach and have an inadequate basketball IQ if he has to play on the court with his team to coach? Funny how the only trash and venom has come out of the negative environment that thrives at Knox by people that claim to be the Knox faithful. I'm sure Sandringham has just as many passionate players and members, yet they've managed to support their coach!

We all know the people who are on here are obviously the people who Matt has let go or replaced. People who were back stabbing him from the first day he walked into the door at Knox and are cheering and doing all they can to see him fail. In his first season, he inherited a team that was at the end of an era and this year he brings in a group of players who are young and hungry and want to work hard, and more importantly, want to give back to the juniors.

So, to all the haters that hold the title of "Life Members" and all the former Knox people who just want to submerge Knox into more and more negativity - move on. If you really cared about Knox the way you proclaim, then you would stop this rubbish. It's time to recognise that all this public in-fighting does is to belittle the entire Knox basketball establishment instead of supporting the changes that are so desperately and obviously needed.

Sadly, this particular thread seems to be cluttered with a handful of the loudest, negative voices who share their venom and opinions but remain anonymous. If you had any basketball credibility and held such legitimate concerns, you would consult professionally with a Knox board member or someone from management to voice them face to face. However, I highly doubt that anyone who has commented on this thread spewing hate would meet that criteria. And so instead they choose to vent and project their own frustrations on someone in the public eye who is an easy target from behind the comfort and security of their computer screen.

It's time for some people to have a long, hard look at what exactly they think they're "bringing" to Knox Basketball that doesn't involve finger pointing, negative infighting and placing blame on anyone other than themselves. Maybe once that cultural shift finally occurs, we can see Knox be the basketball powerhouse it should be.

On the Mens side I think Geelong & MT G are the two best teams and will play in the GF.

Unless Geelong drop games they will have the home court...hard place to win when it is a packed house.

Same goes with Mt G - tough place to win when it is a full house can't see anyone in that conference winning down there.

move on

"We all know the people who are on here are obviously the people who Matt has let go or replaced."

No you don't. You don't know that at all. Happy Days has been critical, I don't think he fits that bill, Tiger watcher also said it didn't send a great message - not sure he is an ex-knox person.

I hate stupid comments like this.

How could the hoody help he's probably only interested in big v. What an insult that their knox chairperson would wear suns gear at SBC. No bloody wonder the joints in strife.

i can understand knox seabl men comments but i dont get why its all getting back to the rest of knox basketball when its not needed

i mean its a seabl topic keep the comments related to seabl teams not the rest of knox like i can see happening here

whats everyones thoughts about MVP's so far this season?

End of the day its a board decision and they should do whats in the best interests of the club.

From the SEABL web site, part of the write up for the game of the week post. This is refreshing and a great initiative, also if the whole article is read it seem very well written for both teams:

Geelong Supercats probably haven't received the same hype as Nunawading, Mount Gambier or even North West Tasmania for that matter, but it’s time to take the lid off.

The Supercats are flying at 11-1, with a deep roster consisting of a group of players that are familiar with their roles.

In their recent game against Nunawading, they came out firing with Nick Owusu having a season-high 21, emphasising the offensive weapons in this Geelong outfit.

Although no player is averaging over 20 points per game, with Mike Mercer the best with 19.5, they manage to pour in nearly 90 points a week, the second best offense in the league.

They play both ends of the floor as well conceding 78.3 points per contest, only behind Kilsyth and Mount Gambier.

Geelong is always around the mark but suprised they havent had the meantion i think also dandenong men could be around when it gets to the end of the season

in the womens i think Frankston will be up there near the end , dandenong hasnt been talked about this season and bendigo i think if they get on a roll will look good as well

#476568

I referenced two, because they are long standing contributors with a proper login on the forum who quite simply show how ridiculous the assumption is.

Again, the comment is stupid, its either a ridiculous assumption or a defensive measure but its also almost paranoid, and seeks to just disperse every opinion here as being that of a hater or someone with an axe to grind.

This forum is full of people who think about issues and post good commentary, and I would be confident that many who have an expressed a position on the Knox/Shanahan playing situation (which I haven't btw) are not necessarily disaffected Knox club members or players. I am equally sure some are, but not all, and not by a long way.

I might have let that one slide, anon's comment made no sense anyway.

Sports fan........stable women dandenong, they are top of both leagues so not sure what your saying they haven't been talked about, that's because there's nothing wrong with them lol

One charger import axed. Other will be if the can find a suitable - and affordable - replacement. Hartwell's treatment of his team mates on court is poor.

CoE guys took the chargers to school until half time. Fatigue set in late in game to give chargers the win.

Knox, though losing tonight showed some promise with the coach giving some decent minutes to the like of Justin Aver who played tremendously over the 18 minutes of court time he was allowed!

Showed why he can play, and when given the chance can prove himself! If only he were given the opportunity more often, as well as some other up and coming players!!

Let's hope it continues for the remainder of the season and put some spark back into the team!!!

Knox lost tonight for one reason only. Let Matt play. God knows he cant coach.

Tough at the top but weak at the bottom although the CoE kids are putting up a tough fight against most opposition. You really have to question the defence in the Ballarat and Dandenong games with 198 & 200 points scored in 40 minutes.

It explains why Momo has not been anything like the player he was in 2012. I hope he recovers & returns to the league at some point.

Seen Momo/Albury play twice this year and he has looked sore....no elevation so could be a good more by Albury.

hopefully they can find a solid replacement to help bring some life back to the bandits season.

Is it worth bringing in an import this late unless they are already in the country?

The Bandits are only 4 games out of play-offs.

They have 2 games against 4th (Dandy) & 6 home games remaining out of 14 to be played.

As an organisation you surely need to back your team to have a crack at forth and hope you can beat Dandy twice plus hope that the Miners might loose some form.

If you don't back your team with 14 games left in a season your probably making a statement on the coach, so you might as well send home the other import aswell and play the kids in preparation for 2015 plus start sounding out coaches for next season to.

It makes it difficult for the Bandits with both Ballarat & Knox holding 2-0 splits but they still have a chance of a playoffs spot with a decent import.

I wouldn't bring out another import unless you can get him on the floor this weekend or next. Too much paperwork etc etc...Look for an NBL player who can use it as a pre season gig. I'd ring Gruber.

Albury definitely won't do it without a gun replacement for Momo

Its about making play-offs but also about your culture and direction moving forward.

If you throw in the towel with half the season left it sends a poor message to your supporters/players & coaching staff.

Once you get for 5/6 gmaes to go and finals aren't an option then you play your kids more etc but as per the AFL winning/competitive culture is just as important in developing the kids as gametime.

Calvin Henry (Mildura Big V) was approached by Knox to play for them for the remainder of the season after a game in Melbourne last week I have been told.

Henry wont leave mid season. He is a quality person and will do the right thing by the Mavs.

Round 10 Recap now up on PnR:

SEABL Round 10: Canberra Gunners Sweep Their First Round while Sabres Women Break Their Duck

Deba George and Roy Booker both are averaging 28.7ppg. Daequon Montreal with 26ppg is not far behind. Geelong and Nunawading , Mount Gambier and NW Tasmania in the men's look like the teams to beat so far.

So was Cam Rigby.

Maybe the bandits should recruit Shanahan. After all he did destroy them last week.

Surprised Bubble didn't suit against Nunawading...anyone now why he didn't...fun i heard they could have used a mature head on the floor to help guide the kids

Jazz is available, put him the backcourt with Deuce.

Bubble to play for Hobart?

Player/coach?

Frankston have a big 6-10 Aussie returning from college to suit up for them.Polk struggling with injury at the moment.

Bandits reportedly close to signing Lamar Mallory to replace Momo Ntumba:
http://www.bordermail.com.au/story/2336124/albury-wodonga-bandits-lamar-mallory-the-pick-to-fill-attack-gap/?cs=10

Shanahan or Chalmers?

You wouldn't pull the trigger now, wait till the end of season and advertise the position. i would think Chalmers has 1 more season left seeing he won a title 2 yaers ago, not sure about Shanahan tenure.

give cheryl a break at least shes used knox juniors this season with the big 2
& then you look jess may was out injured for few games as well they won the championship last year so give her more of a chance

thats what i thought the albury coach someone before me meantioned she carnt coach so they got it wrong as well

ok i was looking at the fixture this week what are the games to watch this weekend??

Another mid-season change with the Sabres droping Mike Moore.

http://www.seabl.com.au/index.php?id=257&tx_ttnews%5Btt_news%5D=9761&cHash=82a2bcd821

Not a good move if they're wanting to sure up their Frontline...

Hairston is an inside outside player, not a true post player.Gives them a bit more rebounding but wouldn't think he will be a major upgrade.

"Cheryl Chambers coaches Knox Women

Brad Chalmers coaches Albury-Wodonga Men

SuperIntendent Chalmers was on the Simpsons"

haha, nearly fell off my chair! Skinner!!!!!

Shanahan will fix the problem. Play him for goodness sakes.

http://www.smcgaels.com/ViewArticle.dbml?SPSID=101618&SPID=12536&DB_LANG=C&DB_OEM_ID=21400&ATCLID=205158549&Q_SEASON=2013

Thats the word :)

Vandenberg from NC State?

Shanahan to franga?

Im sure Launceston will look after Abbey better than BA do....

Disappointed shanahan couldn't get a gig? Player or coach.

Pioneers been going well they are starting to make some noise, issue is can they win it all by winning against the big teams in Melbourne

Gee launceston must be paying a pretty penny for bishop as they would have to cater for the child as well with accommodation and child are .

Sad and cranky Hobart anonymous.

Jenkins averaging 24.4 ppg, 5 rbs, 4.3 apg shooting @ 50% from the field.
6 assists last night.

"Not a team player" - crap.

White would of been nervous, he'll be fine after getting thta game out of his system.

What could of been for Frankston...too little too late.

White would of been nervous.Hes got it out of his system now and will be a consistent addition to the team.

Polk playing injured. Wont make finals.Not consistent enough.They win in spurts.

Those 2 wins on the weekend mean they are only a couple of wins outside the top 4 so it's hardly too little or too late.

For Knox & Albury however...

Trust me SEABL Watcher, wont make it.

I'm not saying they will or even that it's likely but the possibility is at least still there & on their weekend form things are headed in the right direction (unlike poor old Knox & Albury who seem set to fight over the spoon).

Window is still open but with two imports playing sore and lack of bench strength they face an uphill battle considering they are only at the halfway mark.

Round 11 SEABL Recap is now up on PnR:

SEABL Round 11: Frankston Causes Two Upsets while the Rangers' Streak Comes to an End

Coming into the round, the Frankston Blues had lost six straight and were facing the Nunawading Spectres and Mt. Gambier Pioneers, both sides in the top two of their respective conferences. However, an incredible weekend from the Blues saw them win both matches and perhaps get their season on track.

He battles general leg soreness as a result of a long term injury (stress fracture) Struggles to play back to back games.Will be managed for the rest of the season.With Hodgson coming in that will give him a rest as hes had to play big minutes in the 5.

If i told you who provided me with that information then you might change your tune. I said soreness, amazing how all these anonymous people come out of the woodwork.

Frankston's coach was quoted in the local paper along the same lines as what Happy Days said, so it's hardly a secret.

I was gunna back you up too HD but was worried 13 people using the same computer would all attack me.

I'd hate to be caught in the middle of that battle to get to the keyboard first!

From the Frankston Leader on 9 June:

Compounding the problem is an injury cloud over the team's leading scorer, Brandon Polk.

"Brandon was a bit banged up. We've just got to nurse him, he's got bad knees, ankles, legs ... generally he's a bit banged up," Giovanonni said.

Page 62 of 9 June edition: http://leader.newspaperdirect.com/epaper/viewer.aspx

My source wasn't the Leader Newspaper but somebody who should know and if he doesnt nobody will. Polk has had a great season considering he is playing a lone hand in the 5. Whats his average minutes per game?

Sounds like he is a little banged up...which alot of guys are this time of year, esp big guys who bang bodies and do the bullocking work like he does.

Think you will find it's not the coach that was the problem at sandringham, Paul Flynn is a good coach but when a team won't play as a team that's when nothing you do helps apart from get rid of the players but when contracts are signed that's not possible so coach goes. Flynn should have stayed at dandenong and ignored managements issues.

Happy Days is an authority on everything. Don't comment against him cause Isaac will forget his moderator role and expose you.

First person that gets blamed when things go wrong is the coach.How often do you see players getting sacked apart from imports.

#479398

Let it go. Your semantic absurdity aside, HD has pretty much proved to be right from what I can see.

#479401

Sorry, HD is one of the more reasonable posters here. He has reported here pretty much what his coach has been quoted in the media as saying - that the hell is wrong with that?

If you are the one carrying on about "banged up", "sore" and "injured" then it is just semantics.

It doesn't matter that you spoke to Polk. It doesn't matter what he allegedly said to you, if you are the same anon as above then a) get a login so we can discuss it with you properly and b) get over it the semantic stuff. Its not like HD has come here and launched an extraordinary series of outlandsih accusations about Polk.

For the record I know nothing of the Polk situation, don't know him and have never seen him play so i claim no expertise whatsoever.

#479403

And that was a "meaningful" contribution? Great.

Happy Days is an authority on everything. Don't comment against him cause Isaac will forget his moderator role and expose you.

Well let's hope for sandringhams sake the next coach can get these players to play as a team instead of a bunch of individuals. Bet the former coach has given a sigh of relief heo longer has to deal with them lol

Sandy also got rid of the mens import only 2 weeks ago so coin isn't the issue!

Sounds like the club have some issues around recruitment of players in both mens/womens whom fit the program direction.

From talking with a few of the men in the program the training venue/situation isn't ideal as they train over in Dandy plus they can't attract depth/local quality to the team.

Isacc,With Power comes great responsibility!!
Use it wisely son.

Mysac - my son of wisdom.

The players recruited in the women's program were recruited before Flynn too over , well best part of them anyway. They cannot and will not play team defence, and they play for themselves not for the team or coach. They should have cut the players, they can't make finals now anyway, so cut them loose and give the younger ones a go to gain experience for next year. The coach who has now taken over from Flynn only won last yrs VYCW because the dande coach made huge errors in keeping certain players on the CRT who caused issued last yr, noticeable by their absence in this yrs team who are kicking butt every week.

He only took two deery and Meiking who was one of his juniors because they really didn't have a spot for her at dande with having Sherf I would imagine the rest were already signed But agree the combination of personalities on that team would not be great. Hopefully he gets a better gig for next year, one that allows him to coach his way not what is dictated by outside influences.

Ardor so plays bigv champ for Waverley

Isacc?

Crazy ending in the CANB v NWT Tas game last night.

Kudos to the gunners and Green for making the pass with seconds left after the double team to get Jackson free in the corner for the long (foot on the line) 3... Even if it did rim out and back in :/

Tyrone Lee into foul trouble killed NWT. Was getting what he wanted in the low post all night.

Tas struggling with injury at the moment. Brad Simpson out for a month (Starting C), Chilcott (Bench rotation player and Kyle Clarke (Aus U17 camp) all out this weekend.

Matt Parker played his first game in several years last night for NWT. Stalwart of the NWBU comp, and played for 4-5 years some years ago.

Gunners appear to have tweaked their offense in the last month - Green isn't chucking up shots at will.

Cracker between Supercats and Miners. Cats by 2 in O/T. Miners lost Booker at end of reg with injury.

And add in going 4 of 21 from 3 and 11 of 24 from the charity stripe will as the Braves did will struggle.

I'd say Dandenong would put a lot more effort into their training runs than they had to put in for their 2 games this weekend. Today especially looked like a cakewalk.

Mercer announced on twitter torn achillies. Most probably the same for Booker.Phones will be running hot tonight looking for replacements.

Would Kevin Braswell be an option for Geelong as hes only across the ditch.Could be here in a day and should be able to get his paperwork through in time.

Round 12 Recap is now up on PnR:

SEABL Round 12: Thunder Lose Two Heart-Breakers while the Capitals Break Their Duck

Sitting atop the South Conference at the beginning of the round, the N/W Tasmania Thunder came crashing back to Earth with two heartbreaking losses to the Canberra Gunners and Brisbane Spartans.

If your the Miners surely you are working on a replacement regardless of the scan results...best to have an option ready to roll rather than waiting around on medical results.

It begs the question i guess is how can geelong get it done so quickly and Miners still be waiting?

Interesting to see what Geelong do....there are a few Aussie options floating around but import options are limited and paperwork/immagration can often take longer than a week.