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Years ago

Cairns Taipans v Perth Wildcats - SemiFinal Game 1

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orbit  
Years ago

Perth in 2. I think they will sneak a win fri night!

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Davo  
Years ago

Perth out in two. Cairns has their measure this season.

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Jack Toft  
Years ago

Cairns look very strong this year. They dropped a game in Perth recently, but Perth are soft as soft serve ice cream on a Cairns day in dry season and can't travel. They are the Collingwood of the NBL. Cairns will get game 1. The 4th quarter will be a messy affair.

Scores? Predicting 17:20 at Qtr time, 51:49 at half time; 73:63 3 qtr time, 92:80 FT

Gliddon will be the one to watch for Cairns, Daniels will be the glue for the Cats.

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Train  
Years ago

Perth in 2.

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wildcats80  
Years ago

In the Cairns post, Fearne has said they are the underdogs, give me a break, his team finished 21-7 on top. Gleeson makes a good point, why would you claim underdog status when your team finished on top by 2 games, 12-2 at home this season, it shows that he doesn't have much confidence in his side. So what if the we are defending champs, so what if we are seen to be a biggest club in Australian basketball, on the court where it matters, Cairns have been the number 1 team this year. Fearne playing mind games.
People forget the following game 1 in cairns this year early Jan, No Knight, No hire, Ross got injured after 30 seconds, redhage foul trouble and Beal missed most of the last qtr due to cramp. 2nd game in cairns No Knight, No Hire no Ross, 3rd game in 4 days cats took it right up to them until getting trashed in last qtr. I am quietly confident as a cats fan but if Cairns win, it will be well deserved, and would be great for basketball for cairns to win the championship

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Kobe24  
Years ago

Ofcourse he has confidence in his team, its just mind games. If you believed everything coaches say, your very naive. The way Perth have been playing, rest assured they are definitely the underdog. Although Im starting to think it'll go 3.

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Dunkin' Dan  
Years ago

Games between these teams have gone with home court this season, and in most cases by large margins. The closest game was Perth's 11 point win a couple of weeks ago.

I have NFI which version of the Wildcats will show up on Friday, but I do think that if we are to win, we'll need to get this one and do it in 2.
Fri-Sun-Tue is a tough schedule over such a large distance and the Wildcats aren't particularly young, nor particularly deep, so a game 3 is something they'll really need to avoid.

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orbit  
Years ago

Think he meant underdog as in David vs Goliath. Comm based model vs the billionaire club!

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Anonymous  
Years ago

I think if Perth open with Jervis in the 5 spot, Ben Knight in the 4 they will be in better shape. Bring Redhage off the bench with Wagstaff for toughness and instant offence. Recharge in for Jervis and Knight goes to the 5 etc etc.

Even though Perth have had an inconsistent season beware a final hardened champion!!!!!!

And I actually support Adelaide!!

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Uwe Blab  
Years ago

Bendat is only worth 750mill. He spent the other 250 on red tshirts ;-)

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Jack Toft  
Years ago

I see that Perth have launched a Snapchat account. "WildcatsSnaps"

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Matthew  
Years ago

Jack: I dont even know what Snapchat is! .. am too old I guess..

Since Redhage is out of form, I actually dont mind the starting combination of Jervis and Knight. It was kinda weird when I heard it announced, but it actually worked okay for a while there until the errors started to creep into the game (neither guy seems too capable of reacting to the quick pass)

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ronny  
Years ago

The Cats are slowly showing signs without being at their best that they are about to explode into last seasons form. They are still a shadow of last seasons dominant team, but in the last 3 games, they have shown small glimpses of what they can do if they click. Granted those glimpses were miniscule in sample size.




They had the Breakers and Adelaide down in both games but it took some super human efforts Jacksons halfcourt buzzer beater and Motum incredible shooting to beat them. The signs are there that they will turn it up a few notches from here on.

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Train  
Years ago

I agree with the use of Jervis and Knight simultaneously. Thought they worked well and don't know we haven't seen it before that game. Would like to see that combo against NZ :P

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skip  
Years ago

Centrebet now have game odds up.

Cairns
To win = $1.50
To win by 1-10 = $2.75
To win by 11+ = $3.10

Perth
To win = $2.60
To win by 1-10 = $3.50
To win by 11+ = $7.00

The line is 3.5

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XY  
Years ago

Anon #517505, I am not sure that Perth could qualify Ben Knight for the finals at this late stage, but even so I don't think bringing him out of retirement would add much to this team!

(Sorry, had to do it).

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Jack Toft  
Years ago

Matthew, Snapchat is a short video messaging service. Very popular with the U25's. Basically, they can take a short video and send it to their mates. It is not a permanent video. Another social media tool

Some of the NBA clubs do it really well and players can send messages to fans etc. I have heard another NBL club has had it in the trial stage for some time.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Expect a few key players for Carins who have done well all year to shit themselves on the big stage

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Dunkin' Dan  
Years ago

Sportsbet favouring Perth a smidge more than Centrebet.
Taipans $1.56, Cats $2.44, with the line also 3.5

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Vic Wildcat  
Years ago

We have not looked liked the same team as last year from game 1, have played in patches, can't see how we win the series unless we win game 1, happy to be wrong, but just don't see it happening this year.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Refs in 3.

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pod  
Years ago

if it goes to 3, it might get nervy for taipans. I tend to think in terms of experience. whole new ball game in finals

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Cats backcourt relies far too heavily on Martin & Beal. They will be rooted by game 3 if there is one, so Cats need to win in 2 or else forget about it.

Usually Martin getting injured is a playoff tradition isn't it? Just like Knight getting injured in the regular season?

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Train  
Years ago

Martin was injured for only one of the finals, how does that interpret into "usually" or "playoff tradition"

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koberulz  
Years ago

He tore his achilles in 2013, and did something to his knee in 2012.

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Green 76  
Years ago

Perth have gotten better but aren't the same team as last year however they have the big match experience which the Taipans don't. Only Wilbekin, Burston and Loughton do for Cairns compared to Perth. But Cairns have been the most consistent team all year but I think they could freeze especially on offence against Perth's d. Could go either way.

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Train  
Years ago

I'm pretty sure he went down in the Semi Finals (or game before) against Wollongong of the 2012/13 Season. He was fully fit when we won the championship last year.

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Matthew  
Years ago

I dont know U'U' has gotten a LOT better this season, and can rotate through either Beal or Martins Position.

Ive far less to say anything positive about Luke Martin however.

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Nathan of Perth  
Years ago

Luke Martin will come good once they unleash the super-secret dive through the legs to get by the D trick they've been working on in training........

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Train  
Years ago

Since he has been in the Wildcats, D.Martin has played the full final series for seasons :

2009/10
2010/11
2011/12
2013/14

Only time he hasn't played the full finals was in 2012/13 where he injured himself in game 2 of the semi finals against Hawks.

Hardly justifies a "tradition" of being injured in the finals ;)

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koberulz  
Years ago

He played through 2012, but was in bad shape and had surgery immediately after the grand final.

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Darryl  
Years ago

Oh the memories who could forget his injury replacement Brad Robbins

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paul  
Years ago

Martin injured himself at the start of GF game 2 in 2012 and in SG game 2 in 2013.

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Nathan of Perth  
Years ago

Brad Robbins return to the side was the biggest desperation move. That whole year the side was plagued with that kind of nonsense.

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Maxymoo  
Years ago

Perth in 3 followed by Adelaide in 3

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Uwe Blab  
Years ago

Redhage has been ruled out of the finals with a fractured bone in his foot.

Can we swear on this forum?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Where did you hear that?

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Grovermister  
Years ago

was that from flopping training during the week?

sorry couldnt resist...

sorry to hear that,

we all want teams to be at full strength in the playoffs

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Dunkin' Dan  
Years ago

Email sent out by the Wildcats.

Bugger!

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Nathan of Perth  
Years ago

Oh FMD, and after he finally seemed to get over the virus last weekend.

Just typical.

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Uwe Blab  
Years ago

Can the Cats bring in Al Harrington now?

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Kobe24  
Years ago

Wagstaff will have to take up the load, so the floor wipers are as busy as usual.

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Train  
Years ago

ah man, that's tough luck. He can be a real game changer. Big chance for Jesse Wagstaff to step up here though.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

I just can't believe this, surely from a medical point of view, surely the back would be more prone to injuries from repetitive flopping than the feet.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Who else thinks he will make a miraculous recovery for Game 2 if Cairns go 1-0 up?

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Uwe Blab  
Years ago

Wow, three flopping jokes. Great material, guys!

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Matthew  
Years ago

I think he is in a Medical Boot for like 5-6 weeks. So yeah big loss. It just means that Knight/Jervis/Daniels and Wagstaff will see more time.

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Isaac  
Years ago

Uwe, on swearing, I'm going to assume F&#* is "FLOP".

F&#* flopping jokes now...

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el presidente  
Years ago

Uwe.. The flopping jokes are what you would call 'tall floppy' syndrome, prone to rsi from making repetitive flop jokes.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Since Boti is so against the old saying 'fall 7 times, get up 8', in this instance will he allow it to be changed to 'flop 7 times, get your foot in a moon boot'?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Out of any player to miss finals through injury in the Cats starting 5, I think Redhage is the easily replaced. Injuries to Martin/Beal/Daniels/Knight would be way harder to cover.

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Kobe24  
Years ago

Yeah I tend to agree, I think Redhage is a loss, but no where near what he once would've represented. Might even open the offense up a bit more for the like of Beal. Redhage does clog things when the offense goes to poo.

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Uwe Blab  
Years ago

Easiest replaced, yes, but losing a starter-calibre player....I'm still struggling to put a positive spin on it.

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Matthew  
Years ago

Redhage has looked out of sorts for weeks before this. Just start Knight/Jervis again for the Height. It worked well previously.

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Nathan of Perth  
Years ago

He had a virus. The game against Townsville was easily the best outing he'd had since dropping with the illness before the game away to NZ.

Of course, he's been very un-Redhage throughout the year. Constantly having shots that he was normally cash with rim out.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Who chases Loughton around the 3pt line if Knight/Jervis play major minutes together?

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Agent Orange  
Years ago

hahaha Tall Floppy Syndrome - that's all i need to hear.

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paul  
Years ago

Gold!

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Dazz  
Years ago

Games between these teams have gone with home court this season, and in most cases by large margins. The closest game was Perth's 11 point win a couple of weeks ago.

I have NFI which version of the Wildcats will show up on Friday

OR, you could say that when Knight has played, Perth has won.
The Wildcats on Friday will be the one with Knight, and a core of experienced finals players.

However the loss of Redhage will be critical. Expect to see more of Jervis and Knight together,and Wagstaff will really need to step up and play more minutes.

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sixers147  
Years ago

waiting for the wildcats fans to start whinging after they lose about the injuries they have. Injuries are part of the game, no excuses this time of the year.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Jazz whats your point, with Knights Cats should win...

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Train  
Years ago

Sixers147- can't be as bad as the loss u suffered tonight surely ;)

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Matt  
Years ago

Sixers147 your team just got pumped by 30 we would have to show up at qtr time to be as bad as you guys were tonight.

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Bear  
Years ago

I am sticking to my guns in this series, picking Perth to get over the line, but now without Redhage I am concerned that if Cairns can expose his absence they could cause what I believe would be an upset...

Knight, having a big month of basketball ahead of him is the key, for sure!

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Matt did you really watch the game. Was not as bad as it looked on paper and many factors. Sixers and NZ have both had these type of games this season and both backed them up to get to this point.

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alexkrad  
Years ago

I liked the Jervis/Knight front court and think it will match up against Cairns starters Burston/Loughton well anyway. As long as Jesse can get a few of Shaun's points and flops then it wont be as big of an out as it would have been a year or two prior.

Who steps up in the bright lights is the bigger question, those with experience or those with hunger.

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Bear  
Years ago

Waggstaff plays more like Knight, Jervis is a little more like Redhage would be IMHO. I can see Waggs and Knighty getting in each others way slightly at times, not so much with jervis on court with either of the other two...

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LC  
Years ago

Massive game - Cairns have a 'potential' dream run to the GF with Redhage out.

Preview: Cairns Taipans vs. Perth Wildcats

Cairns have been the better side all season and have shown what they can do. It will be a tight matchup with many momentum swings, expect a few fiery plays as the finals atmosphere sets in.

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Isaac  
Years ago

Matt did you really watch the game.
I watched it and the Sixers were not very good at all.

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Train  
Years ago

Big talk from Daniels in the West Australian today.

"That's something about me, every time around this time of year when it comes to play-offs and stuff like that, that's when it counts, when it matters, that's when I'm definitely always playing my best basketball," he said.

"I definitely love this time of year. I always want to win it.

"Whatever it takes to help my team win a championship, I'm going to do it. We will win a championship. I want to deliver."

https://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/sport/basketball/a/26455058/daniels-ready-to-deliver-title-for-cats/

Curious to see if he can back up his comments tonight :P

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cats 4 life  
Years ago

@ bear why will cairns cause an upset? The pressure is of Perth for me, cairns need to win at home not Perth. Just hope they don't get blown like the 36'ERS.

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Kobe24  
Years ago

Thats cute of Daniels to talk like that. Cairns should win and itll be no upset. Pressure is off perth be ause they havent shown any form that suggests they could win the series. But form means nothing as adelaide showed lastnight so worth a watch. Taipans by 12 for mine.

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Train  
Years ago

Perth will win....just not sure of that's my heart or my brain talking lol

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Kobe24  
Years ago

My heart and brain are having a yelling match after last night lol, good luck with that, playoffs aint easy on anyone haha

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Train  
Years ago

If it makes you feel a bit better , Perth thumped NZ by nearly 40 in 2010/11 semifinal game 1 in NZ and then lost the next 2 ( one at home) . Adelaide are still well and truly in the mix.

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Kobe24  
Years ago

Wow dont remember that, nuts! I still have faith, just a shame not to show up last night, no real explanation, just a odd game you have to write off.

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Haz  
Years ago

I dont think that G1 win was 40 points or anywhere near it. I think they won by around 20, but Perth did beat NZ in a regular season game by 40 points during one of those seasons.

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Dunkin' Dan  
Years ago

Really bad news if Hire has an injury issue too :-/

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Kobe24  
Years ago

Wow Martin hit a 3 pointer.... and it actually looked sweet. Im perplexed haha

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Cats intensity is really good. Can they maintain it?

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gaikokujin  
Years ago

18-15 to Cats at 1/4 time.

Perth with Hire looking hurt and Daniels with 2 fouls could run out of FWDs

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Kobe24  
Years ago

Anyone else find Trevor Gleeson really annoying. Not his fault he is being mic'd up, but wow he sounds so whingy....

Daniels 2 VERY early fouls, brain fade.

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Dunkin' Dan  
Years ago

> Cats intensity is really good. Can they maintain it?

That's definitely my main worry. We've still got quality out there, but the shortened rotation will hurt the longer the game goes. Means we need to be extra careful with personal fouls too.

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Kobe24  
Years ago

Make that 3 on Daniels...

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gaikokujin  
Years ago

gliddon wins flop of the year.

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Dunkin' Dan  
Years ago

> Anyone else find Trevor Gleeson really annoying

Yeah I would agree that he has been particularly annoying recently.

Recently of course meaning the last decade or so.

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Train  
Years ago

Cairns offense looking way too good for perth :(

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gaikokujin  
Years ago

Perth playing Cairns basketball..

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gaikokujin  
Years ago

43 - 30 cairns at 1/2 time.. cairns offense looking too good for Perth tonight

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Dunkin' Dan  
Years ago

Ughhh... get your brooms ready, Taipans fans

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Kobe24  
Years ago

Huge second quarter in context of this game for Cairns. 13 up at the half, Perth already on ropes from foul trouble point of view and shot clock issues on offense. Man cairns are tough, have a back bone this season.

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Dazz  
Years ago

Games between these two teams are always defensive grinds, but Cairns have figured out the Perth D.

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Train  
Years ago

Need a big third quarter here. Daniels has been talking the talk, time for him to walk the walk. Knight having a shocker too

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Kobe24  
Years ago

Surprised Daniels said what he did, he hasn't really showed much of a ceiling especially in road games all season. 3 fouls doesn't make his talk mean much... so far.

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gaikokujin  
Years ago

Knight 1-7, Jervis hasnt had a shot, "star import" Daniels 2-4

No wonder why 90% of the team's shot are 3-pters

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Train  
Years ago

Cairns deserve to win it all this year. They don't have the greatest team on paper but their offense is second to none. If you were playing the NBL dream team comp you can see none of their players were statistically dominant ( apart from Wilbekin I never used any Cairns players). Hats off to Fearne. He's a great coach.

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Dunkin' Dan  
Years ago

Very professional effort to still have no scores/stats. Classic NBL :-//

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Anonymous  
Years ago

i'm watching live stats from the nbl site you just have to scan right to the end of the season, they don't make it easy but they are there

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Dunkin' Dan  
Years ago

I was referring to the telecast, not the website stats

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Kobe24  
Years ago

Looks like Perth have a back bone too! 12-2 yikes, cairns look woeful all of a sudden.

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gaikokujin  
Years ago

and in the 3rd QTR Gleeson has checked in the 13/14 Perth Wildcats roster. 3pt game!

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Dunkin' Dan  
Years ago

DeAndre finally woke up, and thank goodness too because one more of those godawful bricked jumpshots and I would have lost my shit

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Train  
Years ago

Wow ! Not dead yet

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gaikokujin  
Years ago

Daniels going #Ennismode

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Dunkin' Dan  
Years ago

Let's not get carried away now ;)

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chris  
Years ago

Perth leads 48 to 45 3qt

Cairns scored only 2 points that term.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Perth has been the better team for majority of the game had it not been for that terrible second, they would be up big

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Dunkin' Dan  
Years ago

Is that score correct? Taipans scored 2 points that quarter???

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Kobe24  
Years ago

IF is a big term in sport. Cairns 2 points in a playoff quarter must be a record for low points in a playoff quarter in NBL history. 20 points scored for the quarter def played at Perth tempo... not exciting but effective.

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chris  
Years ago

yes

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Anonymous  
Years ago

lets go under. not ot pls

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Dunkin' Dan  
Years ago

Not quite sure how Damo's leg survived that

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gaikokujin  
Years ago

and seems the 4th is cairns! see-sawing game!!!

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Dunkin' Dan  
Years ago

Our bigs have missed way too many attempts from point blank range :-/

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gaikokujin  
Years ago

damien martin! give him DPOTY tonight..

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Dunkin' Dan  
Years ago

Damo has been extremely ... Damo, tonight

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Anonymous  
Years ago

fuck too close. might go to ot

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Dunkin' Dan  
Years ago

How many players we gotta lose?? :((

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gaikokujin  
Years ago

Taipans by 6! what an incredible game

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Anonymous  
Years ago

cairns dominating the 4th

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Kobe24  
Years ago

Tough for Cats now in this series, this one has been played at there tempo low scoring etc and they still lose. Not many times you lose a game when you hold an opponent to 2 in a quarter! Weird game this one....

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Anonymous  
Years ago

game spread of +5.5/6 coming down to the wire LOL

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Train  
Years ago

Congrats to the Taipans ..... But great game !!! Cats were well and truly gone at the half . This is what finals is all about .
Bring on game 2 .

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Kobe you are a real tosser!! Sorry about the demolition you got last night! We showed balls!!! Again two players down, Who you have out?

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Dunkin' Dan  
Years ago

Pretty brave effort by the Cats I thought, on the road and undermanned. Took it right up to them.

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Kobe24  
Years ago

What did I say that makes me a tosser exactly... Im not trying to bait anyone, just going to be tough is what Ive said, based on fact that this was a 'Cats style game' and they still lost.

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Dunkin' Dan  
Years ago

Crowd yelling out "Uuuuuuuuu" in support of Drake

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Train  
Years ago

Hard foul yes - certainly not a DQ foul . Looked way worse than it was

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gaikokujin  
Years ago

What an awesome see-sawing game of basketball. Cairns showing Perth they are the top-team while Perth showing Cairns they are going to have step-up their game if they expect to win in the Perth Arena.

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chris  
Years ago

71 to 64 cairns FT

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Bol Bol  
Years ago

U'u idiot!

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Dunkin' Dan  
Years ago

Well, I didn't think the Cats were ever going to win if this series went to 3.
Now it's just a matter of whether there's enough left in the tank and on the bench to compete in game 2.

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Train  
Years ago

Anon104: in Kobe24 defense he hadn't said anything in this thread to warrant being called a tosser. He's just called it as it is.

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Dunkin' Dan  
Years ago

Nothing wrong with Kobe's post. Pretty clear who the tosser is.

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Kobe24  
Years ago

Did Hire re do his Calf... I just realised he only played 7min!

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sixers147  
Years ago

What a load of crock, seriously, brave, undermanned, thats all excuses, cats lots fair and square against a far better team. Welcome to the team of Dogs Drake U U, seriously, with 4 seconds left, why would you do that, let the guy dunk the ball and lift the home crowd, why foul him in that situation. Im hoping for a cairns sweep and all the perth supporters on here whinging as usual like the refs or the ball was too sweaty. Cairns Adelaide grand final

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gaikokujin  
Years ago

Cats get booed off the court. Funnily enough Drake Uu foul was the exact way EVERY TEAM defended James Ennis on the break last season

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paul  
Years ago

Tough game, full credit to the Wildcats for the fight they showed against full rotations. Martin was incredible, his battle with Wilbekin one of the best match-ups of the season, gotta love Scottie's moltens!

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Dunkin' Dan  
Years ago

Seemed to be his hip the way they were working on him. Either way, the fact that he didn't return is not a good sign.

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Kobe24  
Years ago

Oh boy heres, sixers147 lol Drake had a brain freeze, but doesn't strike me as a dirty player. No surprise they were booed off though either.

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Perth fan  
Years ago

Well played Taipans. Proud of the cats effort.
Bit of a disappointing end to the game- hope Torrey is ok. As for U'u, if anyone thinks there is dirty or malice in the foul that Drake did, yes it was unsportsmanlike but he didn't go out there to injure him. It's not in his personality. Drake has never been a dirty player, just one who tries and plays as hard as he can for his team. It did not deserve the ejection from the game.
Hope the boys can bounce back on Sunday, but to be honest with the status of Hire and basically a rotation of 7 players, I don't think it's gonna happen. One thing I do know, the boys will give 100%, which is what I expect the red army to do too!

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garvs  
Years ago

that last play was disappointing... sure you don't want the exclamation dunk at the end of a game but it was an unnecessary hard foul, if UU had not held on and attempted to go for the ball then all good, but it did not look pretty. Hope Craig is ok, could be fiery in Perth on Sunday!!!

In the end cats had their chances, we were up with a few minutes to go after being down by double digits earlier and we did well with 7, but once again could not get over the line

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gaikokujin  
Years ago

psychological id say sixers147.. no easy baskets

kind of like when your team who hasn't won a championship since 2001 drops a playoff game by almost 40 points!

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Train  
Years ago

Sixers147: your a dick. There's no other way to tell you that but seriously your a moron. You never have anything positive to say apart from your hate to the cats or when the Sixers win. Your a complete waste of time and you contribute nothing positive to this forum. Just get lost, your an embarrassment to 36ers fans.

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Dunkin' Dan  
Years ago

Whatever you think of Drake's foul, it was a pretty safe option by the refs to toss him given the game was over.

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Dunkin' Dan  
Years ago

> There's no other way to tell you that

There's the correctly spelled way ;)

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Train  
Years ago

"There's the correctly spelled way ;)"
Probably , blame it on the vodka ;)

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sixers147  
Years ago

I tell it how I see it, if Craig is injured, UU should be suspended for that dog act, maybe redhage being out, theres at least one moron on the court. I couldnt stand the whinging by Gleeson every single play, eg it didnt hit the ring or call it both ways.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Gotta say I'm not a fan of Gleeson. Having him mic'd up he doesn't sound like a great communicator. He's got a really grating voice.

Also what was his direction at the end when Perth looked to be trying to avoid a foul but then fouled anyway late in the shot clock?

I reckon Wright, Vickerman or Fearne would make better Boomers assistant coaches.

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Train  
Years ago

Sixers147: nothing you said changes the fact your a moron. Just stop being a tool. What are you 12 ?

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Dunkin' Dan  
Years ago

Well, sixers147, it's just an unfortunate fact of life that we often can't enjoy our sport without some tosser dampening the experience. I'm sure you'll fight through it just as I do.

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Dunkin' Dan  
Years ago

Martin got 1:05 of rest that game. Beal got 0:00

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Train  
Years ago

On a serious note though, I hope Torrey Craig is OK. It would be unfortunate if he was to miss anytime as a result of that incident.

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Bol Bol  
Years ago

S147 is obviously here just to entice a reaction. He is not a fan of the game just himself so the best thing to do is not respond to any of his immature comments.
U'u had a moment he would want to take back. The game was over and deserved to be booed off the court. But it was out of character for him and everyone makes mistakes. I dont wish for any player to be injured (even on opposition teams) so hopefully Craig will be ok for the rest of the series.

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Nathan of Perth  
Years ago

2nd and 3rd Quarters:

What even?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Where is the score and time? Cairns cannot provide the correct computer stays they should lose home court. Unprofessional in a finals series.

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Kobe24  
Years ago

Hang on did you just say because Cairns can't get the off court technology right they should lose home court haha Thats sixers147 stuff man, sip the grog, don't skull!

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Train  
Years ago

I can look at better aspects of this game that's Sixers147 does. The sheer brilliance of Wilbekin , the clutch of the taipans , the awese comeback from the cats . You can't help but look at this game but anything than an awesome finals matchup
. Bring in game 2 of both series !!

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Yes cairns should lose home court. Unprofessional if they cannot even get that right for a final series. Couldn't even imagine it happening in an afl game. They need to have a backup plan for that. If you cannot provide suitable technology then it looks like bush league stuff.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Four seconds left down by seven and fouling a player mid air going for a dunk is why the NBL can't have nice things. Who is going to dunk if that is what is going to happen?

It also epitomises the dirtiness of the Wildcats. Completely unnecessary.

Loughton had a shocker it was like the Taipans were playing with a man down. Some dodgy free throws as well kept it closer then it should of been in the fourth. Although Wilbekin 23/10/4 or thereabouts - very nice

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Perth were terrific in the their fightback in the third, whilst undermanned. Cairns were the better team for most of the night. The end was a disgrace & U'U better hope this is over in two.

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Mike  
Years ago

Is 2 points in a quarter an NBL record?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Gleeson sounds a little feral... poor bastard should be pushing for himself to not be mic'd up..... ever again!

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greybuoy  
Years ago

Struggle to understand how anyone can be offhanded about U'u's foul. Only a few of the comments here condemn him outright, most implying what he did was just part of the game.
What he did was risk a player's career.
As he relives those microseconds where he decided to rip Craig out of the sky and hurl him to the floor with maximum force I hope the shame of his ejection and the abuse of the crowd haunt him and shame him. If he is the nice guy that others have suggested he is, then he will cringe at every memory of the moment and reject forever any notion of 'whatever it takes'.
That foul brings the game into disrepute, and if Wildcats and supporters can rationalise that, then what others have been saying about the 'culture' in Perth is altogether too true.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

It was a hard foul. Seen plenty worse ones over the years. People need to calm down

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Anonymous  
Years ago

greybuoy as the seasons go on and the Wildcats get away with it time and time again everyone seems to grow accustomed to it, especially those who don't watch ball from overseas. If that play elsewhere there would be outrage and suspension of a few games

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Uncle Phil  
Years ago

While U'U's play may not have inteded to be dirty, it was an extremely stupid decision at the end of a game. He was way too far behind Craig to get anywhere near the ball safely. If I was a Cairns fan and Craig was out injured for the rest of the series, I would be seething. Its not a good look when a player who gets really only spot minutes takes out a key player for the other team with 4 seconds left. I would hope for a suspension as plays like that need to be phased out from the NBL. The Cats rightly or wrongly currently have the tag from most opposition fans as the dirtiest team in the NBL and plays like this certainly don't help that reputation.

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I'm gonna try to not instigate anything here, but I just don't like the U'u foul. In saying that, I understand the intent, and gather there was no intent to injure. But the game is over, you have lost, you're playing away and the guy is just trying to end the game on a high for the fans.

Personally, I'm not fouling him, no amount of psychological edge of no easy points, or denying home fans something to cheer about is worth jeopardizing a players health, or my own potential involvement in future games. This being said, I have definitely observed worse looking fouls of a similar nature.

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Kobe24  
Years ago

Um did anyone just hear Savage sing 'Mother fucker burn' with out it being edited at the conclusion of the telecast... truly a weird basketball experience tonight!

Torrey lucky he didn't break that arm, watching it again on the big tv, was just such a risky play from a injury point of view.

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Train  
Years ago

Childress's foul on Wagstaff was much much more dangerous than that foul. Yet very few saw much wrong with that. U'u's foul was hard. Unsportsmanlike maybe but The way Craig fell made it look a lot worse than it was. I don't agree with it but I doubt very much that Drake was intending to create that much damage.

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CT  
Years ago

Greybuoy said it all. If he's got any sense U'u will be ashamed of himself for that.

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greybuoy  
Years ago

Thankyou UPhil.

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skull  
Years ago

I was at the game tonight, pressure cooker...roller coaster...peaks & valleys are a few things that describe it...except what a dumb foul Uu Uu did on Craig when the game is basically over.
Believe me,I'm all for 'leaving it all on the court' to win but when its over?? seriously risky shit up in the air like that & I hope to Christ he regrets it.

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Train  
Years ago

Kobe24 : yeah I brought up the same question with my partner lol Very strange broadcast. Watching NBL TV , I also heard a lot of explicit language exchanged between teams. Not that I have a problem with that :P

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Uncle Phil  
Years ago

The Childress foul on Wagstaff was dirty and an unsportsmanlike play but this play was more dangerous and carried a far higher risk of injury due to the momentum Craig had and the fact he was in the air.

Bringing up the Childress Wagstaff incident as some sort of precedent for this incident is a pretty weak argument really. They are two very different situations.

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paul  
Years ago

If the NBL is serious about providing entertainment, from next season plays like U'u's should carry a lengthy suspension. It has to be ironed out.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Are you serious? Fouling to stop an easy basket results in suspension? That's crazy

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Uncle Phil  
Years ago

If that foul results in putting a player at a high risk of injury - like the play tonight, then why shouldn't it result in suspension?

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skull  
Years ago

He should be suspended,way too dangerous..it could have ended really really bad.

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Nobody  
Years ago

Jeez, why is there such an issue with what happened?
Someone in mid air deliberately fouled says it all.
It's as a dangerous situation as you will ever see.
Let's hope no serious injury results both now and for any similar circumstance in the future.
It's been summed up here by many. Totally unnecessary and un called for in a game that was 4 sec away from being over. Utterly pointless foul with arguably serious injuries for perhaps both players.
Will U'U be reported is a more relevant question. Mal was there and if Cairns make a legitimate complaint watch this space.

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skull  
Years ago

even if it was a Taipan player that did that I would be calling it the same...just dumb !!

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William  
Years ago

Did Rhys Vague play from the Wildcats?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

If deliberately elbowing someone in the neck or kneeing someone in the balls gets a week suspension then drake's foul shouldn't have even been an ejection

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Ayjay  
Years ago

Great close game from both sides.

Wilbekin and Martin fantastic!

UU incident was a brain fade in the heat of the moment. It was reckless and may have caused very serious injury. Taking someone out on the dunk is probably the most dangerous foul and Craig landed badly because of it.
Definately a disqualifying foul and worth a game! We love the dunks and the players MUST be protected.

Hope the sixers game is as fierce and as close.

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orbit  
Years ago



It was a hard foul. Seen plenty worse ones over the years. People need to calm down

Agree.

Playoff foul - series ain't done - no showtime yet!

Great game & no one hurt.

Nothing to see here people...

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koberulz  
Years ago

Um did anyone just hear Savage sing 'Mother f****r burn' with out it being edited at the conclusion of the telecast... truly a weird basketball experience tonight!
Yup. They used Aerosol Can during game three of the grand final last year as well, again completely uncensored. Got the N word on TV at lunchtime on a Sunday...three times.

Even funnier given they'd been apologising for Joey's language in timeouts the entire game, because "it's live TV and things happen", which clearly doesn't apply to choice of music.

I imagine a lot of the swearing the ref and coach mics picked up will be edited out of the actual broadcast. They cleaned up Joey's timeout last night and something from Gleeson earlier in the year (for the WA broadcast, at least; Gleeson was uncensored over east, where the game was broadcast live).

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Train  
Years ago

Uncle Phil : The Childress incident on Wagstaff was a brutal and premeditated. Drakes was a reckless and hard foul. Comparison is justified.....and I've seen a lot worse in the NBL where no DQ was given.

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Anon  
Years ago

Although the Cats lost, full credit to them. No Redhage, no Ross, Hire out again injured and they still nearly won the game. That game was well executed and well coached. Cairns would've lost by 20 if they were full strength.

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Uncle Phil  
Years ago

Train, I didn't say the childress foul was not any of those things and he was suspended accordingly, but it was not as dangerous - it had nowhere near the potential to cause serious injury that this foul did. What is the point in the comparison? It is a completely different situation?

A lot of Wildcats fans are saying they have seen a lot worse go without being called an unsportsmanlike? Can't think of too many myself. If somone like Worthington did exactly the same play to Beal on a fast break with 4 seconds left in a game, you can't tell me Wildcats fans wouldn't be yelling for anything short of capital punishment....

The fact is this foul risked serious injury to a player and should never have happened in the context of the game - this type of play has to be heavily punished for that reason.


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Anonymous  
Years ago

Ennis got clobbered by Sam young on a fast break dunk last season in a similar incident. It was called unsportsmanlike and everyone moved on

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Dazz  
Years ago

I HATE games like that. I thought the Cats had their tails up and noses in front after that monster 3rd quarter. Then lost their shit in the 4th.

But what an epic effort from Beal, haven't seen anyone do that in a while.
Cats have got to find some depth for their bench.

I would have picked the Cats to even things up at home, but I worry at their ability to backup after two days. As usual Cairns used their bench well, and I feel they will have fresher legs. We could see another 4th quarter fadeout, aaarh.

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Anon  
Years ago

@Dazz agree with that. Cairns are just a deeper team which may hurt us. We're just not deep enough without Redhage and Ross.

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XY  
Years ago

It had to be a disqualifying foul - it was an automatic unsportsmanlike foul being in the open court, from behind, without a proper position.

The level of danger taking someone out of the air like that and into the backboard support, whilst not a high impact perhaps, demanded something more than an Unsportsmanlike. Not reportable though IMO.

I cringed when I saw it. Reminded me of Brad Hill's injury going for the fastbreak dunk.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

The appropriate comparison may be the soar tackle in rugby league.

The issue is not that professional fouls are condoned and in fact encouraged as smart gameplay, it is the fact that significant and potentially permanent injury may result from that particular play.

In another context, almost no one who drives through a give way or stop sign has the intention to cause harm to other road users. However it just takes one accident to show the folly of that defence, particularly if there is maiming or fatality involved. Previous good behaviour would be an interesting defence in court when you knock off some innocent rosd user.

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ballwatcher  
Years ago

^^
That was the spear tackle.

Good old swipe on phone.

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yep hopefully perth out in two.

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Uwe Blab  
Years ago

I'm not sure how that play "epitomises Perths dirtiness." It's probably our first USF for the season, definitely our first ejection in years. It was over the top at that point in the game and I can see why he was ejected but let's not pretend this is anything typical from Perth.

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cats 4 life  
Years ago

Any reason, why they are playing two games in three days? No one factor travel or injuries or rest time for players?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

The play is not isolated to Perth's domain only, other players from other teams will no doubt consider it when emotions get the better of professionalism.

It is likely a consequence of stringent defence at all costs. It is where a more experienced or more professional player would draw the line.

Does that mean U'u is not professsional in other respects? Nah. Just that he had no regard nor respect for his opposition's safety at the critical moment.

You can see where it comes from though.
Quote
"Gleeson defended his player, saying it was simply tough finals basketball.

"I thought it was a good hustle play, no malice in it, he took a shot at the ball," Gleeson said.
http://www.cairnspost.com.au/sport/battlelines-drawn-for-taipans-wildcats-rematch-on-sunday/story-fnjpuwrj-1227242351684

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Kobe24  
Years ago

If Gleeson truly belives that is a good hustle play, then he is worse than I first thought. Drake isnt a dirty player, but that was a dirty and risky individula play. Admit it, and move on, when he says stupid things like that, only sparks the controversy further.

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ballwatcher  
Years ago

Just watching the replay of the incident.

U'u chasing down Torrey from behind.
Torrey feet off the ground for a dunk.
U'u still at least 1 step behind,
- lunges forward rugby league style
- lays his right hand on Torrey's back to hold him back,
- wraps his left hand to reach for the ball/arm (more arm, no ball),
- continues to propel forwards
- hangs on to Torrey's left arm while both in mid air dragging Torrey forward (preventing Torrey from bracing himself for impact)

It looks like a rugby tackle to me and certainly an USF.

Is it disqualifying? In the context of potential serious harm to players, YES!

Does the timing of the incident matter? NO! It just makes it more pointless.

Should it be reported? HELL YES!

Why? To protect every other player not just in the league but all the kids watching and playing afterschool comps.

Sorry U'u. Wrong place, wrong time and likely wrong coach instilling wrong values.

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LOLcats  
Years ago

"Any reason, why they are playing two games in three days? No one factor travel or injuries or rest time for players?"

It could be worse cats 4 life. They could have to play 3 times in 5 days. Luckily they won't have to so you won't need to whinge about that.

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Uwe Blab  
Years ago

ballwatcher, when U'u first made contact, Craig's feet were still in the ground. Not saying that makes it less worthy of the USF but he didn't take him out midair.

I think the second part of the foul, where U'u still has a hold of his arm as Craig is launching forward, was a very clumsy attempt at holding him up. It wasn't malicious. I just think he underestimated the strength and momentum that Craig had and it resulted in him crashing to the floor.

I'm not excusing what U'u did nor am I calling it a good playoff foul. I just don't think it was a malicious act - very clumsy and unnecessary to even attempt to foul at that stage.

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Nobody  
Years ago

""Our crowd was angry. They were mad as and they should be - we all were. You don't like to see one of your players go down like that," Fearne said.

“I’d be embarrassed myself (if my player did that), I’d be upset with my guy.

“That’s just dangerous; the NBL have to look at that and it’s up to them to make that decision.

“We’ll use that motivation but we gotta go play and learn from it.

Gleeson defended his player, saying it was simply tough finals basketball.

“I thought it was a good hustle play, no malice in it, he took a shot at the ball,” Gleeson said.

“Drake doesn’t have a malice bone in his body; he wasn’t taking his head off, he was playing at the ball.”
Nuff said.

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Ballwatcher  
Years ago

Yeah, I watched the replay quite a few times.

When Uu had his right hand on Torrey's back, Torrey was about to launch off. By the time Uu wrapped his left arm around the front of Torrey's bory to disrupt the dunk, the man was already in the air.

Perhaps Uu is trying to hold him up as you suggest (How you hold someone up when you have both your feet off the ground propelling forwards in a horiziontal fashion is worthy of a Matrix, doubly reloaded sequel though :P).

Perhaps, but the replay from the frontal view in slow mo is certainly jarring. Blank out the jerseys, remove knowledge of prior history of players and look at the play and replays and make up your mind.

I have come down on the harsh side because my kids play and no way am I going the Gleeson way.

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Ballwatcher  
Years ago

I expect good hustle play. Make the playoff games look legit.

Launching yourself from behind to play for the ball and in the process pulling your opponent forwards off his feet is rugby. Much worse when your opponent is in the air.

Cannot see that as just a hustle play ONLY. It is an illegal and dangerous hustle play.

Guess that has been said multiple times now so I'll zip :D

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Uwe Blab  
Years ago

Gleeson would have been better off saying nothing.



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Big Ads  
Years ago

Having not seen the Uu foul, and relying only on the previous comments, it would seem the only similarities between the Uu and Childress actions is that both reflect badly on the game via the controversy that follows.

The Uu incident sounds like it carried a much greater likelihood of a player being severely injured, the Childress incident not so much. Nevertheless both detract from the spectacle.

It also sounds like Damian Martin went "full Damo" last night. Irrespective of who you support, you gotta love his hustle.

Sorry Perth fans but without Hire, Redhage, Ross and possibly Uu I can't see this series going to game 3. Perhaps it would have been more apt for red cross t-shirts to be distributed to patrons attending game 2. That said, I do hope both semi final series and the grand final series all go to three games.

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KingJames  
Years ago

@XY due to the incompetence of the Referees in this league that foul by Abney was only called a foul and not an unsportsmanlike foul (If my memory is correct) which is unbelievable.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Even if the incident was investigated, there's no way that U'U will miss the series. It takes the NBL 2 weeks to make any sort of ruling!

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Anonymous  
Years ago

The NBL rules!!!!




... eventually

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XY  
Years ago

KJ, agree, wrong call, but that was also before FIBA changed the rules about challenging from behind on the break.

ON another issue, why didn't Cairns shoot 4 then possession? They were dudes out of two shots (not that it mattered). But yet another poor umpiring effort.

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orbit  
Years ago

'ON another issue, why didn't Cairns shoot 4 then possession? They were dudes out of two shots (not that it mattered). But yet another poor umpiring effort.'

Thought the umpiring was fine. What does the rest of this mean XY?

Also the Luke Martin recruitment now in hindsight could have been better. They need big guys that can score! Perth way to thin to win this series. Put Redhage out there last night & that would have been very interesting!!

The basketball gods looking down on FNQ right now...

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Why would you expect to get four and possession? The foul was a usf 2 and possession. Where do you get four shots from?

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Uwe Blab  
Years ago

No further sanctions for U'u. He is free to play tomorrow.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Gleeson should start U'u tomorrow. Might get some taipans in foul trouble early

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koberulz  
Years ago

KJ, agree, wrong call, but that was also before FIBA changed the rules about challenging from behind on the break.
That rule doesn't apply in that situation.

Either it only applies immediately after the turnover, or it applies up until the offensive player is in the act of shooting. The former used to be the rule, but it may have been changed to the latter.

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Jack Toft  
Years ago

The U'u foul was ugly and crude. Lucky that no injury occurred.

I think if you asked U'u, he would agree it was a booboo

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Isaac  
Years ago

Is 2 points in a quarter an NBL record?
Didn't see anyone answer this, but I think it would be? Previous record was about 4-5 points? I think Adelaide and Wollongong have both had quarters around that mark up in QLD before?

Anyone got video of the U'u foul?

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Bol Bol  
Years ago

It would certainly be some sort of record for a team to score only two points in a quarter and still go on to win the game.

Goes to show how poor the cats are offensively at the moment to not build a more substantial lead.

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Dunkin' Dan  
Years ago

U'u foul:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8UWTsVM0TGM

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Camel 31  
Years ago

not a fan of gleeson's reffing with a mic on him...he wanted a cairns player ejected there at the end with 4 seconds to go..E.G.....torrey craig perhaps

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Bear  
Years ago

My opinion on THAT foul is not about either player or their character, it is purely about the act. Oh, showed my kids too and they play at a high level, they were not impressed by the foul either.

So, what do I think, not that my opinion matters, but I see absolutely zero room for that kind of act in the game of basketball. I see it as a direct ejection, a report and potentially a long suspension at the very least.

If we can't protect ANY player, from going to the rim without being bashed and risk serious injury, then we all may as well just lay artificial grass on the court and put helmets on.

Any suggestion, for me, that makes excuses for any part of the action (slow motion reply assisted or not) is just that, a poor excuse!

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King Podge  
Years ago

Well said Bear.

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Train  
Years ago

I've watched the replay of the foul a few times this morning, I've changed my stance on it somewhat since last night. While I doubt that U'u intended it to be as bad as it was it was pretty hard. I'm still undecided if it should of been a DQ foul or if a ban should be imposed but I do think that the NBL and the refs have a duty of care to protect players.

It's all good to say it wasn't intended and all but Craig could be injured and miss games and to be honest it could of ended a lot worse than what it did. What if the contact was a fraction later when Craig was in full flight and he landed on his head or damaged his spine? Players need to have the players safety in mind when doing for a hard foul like that. I hope the NBL have reviewed the play thoroughly before making their decision on not imposing any further sanctions .

Having said that I don't think people should brand Drake a thug. Very poor decision on by when you take into account the result of the gave was well and truly decided.

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ballwatcher  
Years ago

I know I said I'll zip.

But I just looked at the posted YouTube video.

My God.

It looked even worse. U'u didn't seem to have been going for the ball. He looked like he ripped Torrey from his dunk trajectory and pulled him across the baseline. He was playing the man. (Hello Trevor Gleeson).That is rugby not basketball.

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Don't really know the extent of the damage to Craig's wrist/arm, if there is any at all, but if he couldn't play in the next game would it be right for U'u to be free to play?

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Train  
Years ago

Poor form by Gleeson condoning that foul also. Man up admit your player did wrong and council him so he understands what is acceptable in the future.

Does anyone know what the update on Craig is ? Is he ok or injured ?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Maybe cairns fans have forgotten what playoff basketball is like seeing as they have been perennial cellar dwellers. But in the playoffs you don't give up easy points. It was a hard foul that's all. All this talk of suspensions is just silly

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snooch  
Years ago

Worthy of an ejection, but nothing more. I too think there has been a bit of over-reaction.

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Isaac  
Years ago

Thanks Dan.

I really hate the "hard foul to stop the score" thing we push in Australian basketball. The commentators condone it every time too as a "smart foul". That's not hustle or going the extra mile, that's thuggery. Hustle is Damian Martin jumping horizontal out of court to save the ball.

I think your goal should be to stop the score without fouling. If you can't attempt the block or steal, let it go. Otherwise it's dangerous and it restricts highlights.

We want block attempts at the rim, not people grabbing arms as they go up.

That U'u foul looked awful. Oddly enough, I think it would've led to injury had U'u's final grapple not prevented Craig from landing harder on his shoulder.

If we can't rub that stuff out of the game with rules, we should be doing it quietly with guidelines - private note from the NBL to players and coaches. Players, you will get bigger crowds with a more entertaining game. If you can't contest the bucket decently, let it happen.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

If the wildcats were up by 1 at that point should he have let it go?

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Isaac  
Years ago

I think bigger than your personal result is the health of every player on the court and the health of your league and livelihood.

I think you can remove the incentive of a foul like that by making the penalty that much worse than a normal foul. And not just "play at the ball", but a play at the ball with a realistic chance of getting a legal steal or block. Obviously it's subjective, but the situation we have now is ugly and risky.

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Vodka63  
Years ago

Could Uu use the defense of it being a brain snap, totally out of character and apologise? Would everyone then just say no problem?

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Train  
Years ago

Maybe they should start awarding an automatic 2 points and possession for Unsportsmanlike fouls where the player is on a breakaway.

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Anon  
Years ago

Oh wow. There was nothing in that play. Talk about making a mountain out of mole hill. I'll tell you what had more malice is when during regular season Earnest went down with an achilies and Fearne was going off about the game delay.

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anon  
Years ago

Gleeson probably felt same about Abney's foul on Brad Hill. Same stuff, same coach, fortunately different result this time.

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Anon  
Years ago

'Feeling' the same is quite different to carrying on on the sidelines like Fearne did.

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Uwe Blab  
Years ago

I think Fearne was complaining about Beal going down with cramp.

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ballwatcher  
Years ago

@Anon 518323

I think you are shooting blanks there. Stay focused on the issue.

Dangerous plays disguised as professional fouls have no place in the game of basketball.

Not from any player, not from any coach, nor from any so called fan who minimises it by ironically raising an inconsequential "mountain out of molehill" distracting peeve at another coach.

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Dunkin' Dan  
Years ago

I think situations where a) the player is especially vulnerable to contact (i.e. it's more likely that the foul will cause the player to lose control), b) the contact is excessively forceful, or c) the foul is not a realistic attempt at the ball, the penalty needs to be harsh enough that it is a clear deterrent rather than just a penalty.

I don't think U'u is at all a nasty player, but the instinct for defenders to try something like that in that situation ought to be stamped out.
It really sucks to have important players missing from your team at the business end of the season. Some injuries aren't realistically preventable, but potentially serious injuries like Craig's are.

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Isaac  
Years ago

Great post Dan.

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