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Dazz
Last month

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Should Knight retire?

Serious Question.

I only know as much about head injuries as your average joe. They're bad.

I know we joke about it, Hoops could run a pool on what round Matty will get concussed in. But when do these repeated concussions start to become a problem. We're seen AFL players retire "early" after one too many knocks.

I love Matty, and just assumed he'd be around for a couple more years at least. But not if it threatens his health.
He's still got most of his life ahead of him. I don't want to read in ten years time that he can't hold down a job because of migraines or vision problems.

Obs they'll have medical advice, better than what people on the net think, but just wondering if anyone had any experience or insight?

Or even opinions? Its his livelihood, and his time to shine, but as a fan I'd hate to think he was risking himself for our entertainment.

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Dazzamaniac
Last month
20:52 9 Feb 17

Reply #623612

re: Should Knight retire?

Classic Dazz thread! Love it.


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Anonymous
Last month
21:11 9 Feb 17

Reply #623624

re: Should Knight retire?

Dazz risks himself for our entertainment


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Anonymous
Last month
21:20 9 Feb 17

Reply #623627

re: Should Knight retire?

Yes. Based on his career of injury history alone for sure.
The concussion thing with him is a ticking time bomb. Get out while you can and hopefully the long term impacts of CTE won't affect Knight.


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Anonymous
Last month
21:33 9 Feb 17

Reply #623629

re: Should Knight retire?

I wouldn't say I'm expecting him to or that he should, but definitely wouldn't be surprised if he does. He's getting up there in age now (even though age wise he could go a bit longer). Had plenty of serious injuries over the years and needs to think long term about his health. Some games this year he seems a bit cooked and just not his usual self.

Would love the cats to go after someone like Motum if we did lose Knight.


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Anonymous
Last month
22:14 9 Feb 17

Reply #623634

re: Should Knight retire?

Haha Dazz definitely risks himself for our entertainment! I dont know dazz, guess best to leave this sort of thing to the professionals rather than the opinion of someone who has less than no clue.


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Freethrows
Last month
22:35 9 Feb 17

Reply #623638

re: Should Knight retire?

Ignore the anontrolls, Dazz. It's a good question. There are all too many blokes (for the most part) who've stayed too long in a sport and done themselves serious long term damage. Just look at Mundine. If he'd left rugby league at 15, he might have some semblance of intelligence.

All jokes aside, Knight has been a great player for a long time. He's arguably the best Aussie PF of the last ten years. Quite apart from his injury concerns, would he want to play another year and stand around like a deer in the headlights a la Flophage this year?


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LV
Last month
22:46 9 Feb 17

Reply #623641

re: Should Knight retire?

Approx how many concussions has Knight suffered during his NBL career? And how many in the past season or two?


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Dazz
Last month
22:48 9 Feb 17

Reply #623643

re: Should Knight retire?

It might not even be just diagnosed concussions? He hit his head earlier this season, but just shrugged it off. Does it all add up?


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LV
Last month
22:52 9 Feb 17

Reply #623646

re: Should Knight retire?

Dunno- maybe.

These are the questions they'll be looking at though- how many serious concussions, mild concussions etc. Those are the sorts of questions being thrown around when these discussions have come up involving footy players, like Johnathon Brown for instance. These things generally get worse with time. A future concussion is more likely to cause issues for Knight if he's had concussions previously.


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BOL
Last month
22:54 9 Feb 17

Reply #623647

re: Should Knight retire?

Sadly i reckon hes finished. Hes too injury prone now and for his own well being he should hang it up.
Loved him as a player, so tough and when in form had a sweet mid range jumper which in recent years have seen less of with his dodgy shoulders. Was hoping hed still be around for a few years yet but it looks unlikely.


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Anonymous
Last month
23:48 9 Feb 17

Reply #623657

re: Should Knight retire?

He should retire but the way Dazz comments is as though he deserves an actual say. The man is a walking concussion sadly the damage for later on most probably has already been done.


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Btown
Last month
00:14 10 Feb 17

Reply #623661

re: Should Knight retire?

Think he could play well as a depth player, especially if he gets that mid range shot back to its best.

But it's an awkward position as injury to a starter would force him onto more minutes increasing the risk. Like someone said above we don't know the severity, not sure if comparisons to Jonathon Brown are valid though. Browns face was basically shattered and held together with plates.


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Dazz
Last month
03:18 10 Feb 17

Reply #623674

re: Should Knight retire?

He should retire but the way Dazz comments is as though he deserves an actual say. The man is a walking concussion sadly the damage for later on most probably has already been done
Seriously? You think Knight doesn't deserve a say in his own future?
WTF?


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Wookiee
Last month
08:21 10 Feb 17

Reply #623680

re: Should Knight retire?

I think the part of having a say in it might have been the assumption that Knight is too far past the point of actually having a choice and SHOULD retire for his own health?

It's disappointing to think about, but with the injuries and the chance of it getting worse I'm pretty sure Matty will have a long hard think about it over the off season and make the right call... Having a young family really puts that sort of thing into perspective...


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Anonymous
Last month
08:43 10 Feb 17

Reply #623682

re: Should Knight retire?

"Seriously? You think Knight doesn't deserve a say in his own future? WTF?"
It's should never be in the players hands Dazz.
"He hit head earlier in the season and shrugged it off" That simply shows that the medical staff aren't doing their job.
Objectivity goes out the door when the player is left to decide.
If you want to learn about the seriousness of concussion have a read here.
http://sma.org.au/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/SMA-Position-Statement_Concussion-190815.pdf


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Bill on the ball
Last month
13:14 10 Feb 17

Reply #623728

re: Should Knight retire?

Knight's zest is still there but his shots are not justifying his place in the team.

Hopefully tonight will see some old fire coming back, and change people's confidence that all is not lost.


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Luuuc
Last month
13:22 10 Feb 17

Reply #623731

re: Should Knight retire?

It will take a grater effort to get more zest from Matty


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Dazz
Last month
14:59 10 Feb 17

Reply #623757

re: Should Knight retire?

"He hit head earlier in the season and shrugged it off" That simply shows that the medical staff aren't doing their job.
no, it was simply not as severe.
But as I said, its possible they all add up.

I'm no medical expert, but I certainly don't underestimate the effect of repeated knocks to the head, that's the whole reason for this thread.

The head is hard, but the brain is the most wondrously complex organ in the body, and I don't imagine it takes much to cause damage. As I said, I don't want to read in ten years time that Matty is suffering ill effects.

Funny as it sounds when we talk about an athlete nearing the end of their career, he is actually a young man with most of his life ahead of him.

Gotta be honest, as a fan I hope he's "well enough to play" tonight. But what does that mean?
If the doctors say that he's now risking permanent damage, I'd rather he retires immediately.

Most athletes end up with some little niggling injuries, dodgy knees, or whatever. But the brain is too important to risk that kind of outcome.


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ROFLcopter
Last month
15:02 10 Feb 17

Reply #623759

re: Should Knight retire?

"wondrously"

WTF is that?


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Anon
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15:56 10 Feb 17

Reply #623769

re: Should Knight retire?

"These are the questions they'll be looking at though- how many serious concussions, mild concussions etc. Those are the sorts of questions being thrown around when these discussions have come up involving footy players, like Johnathon Brown for instance. These things generally get worse with time"

There is no such thing as a mild of serious concussion you either have one or you don't come on people leave it to the doctors.


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Anonymous
Last month
16:08 10 Feb 17

Reply #623775

re: Should Knight retire?

nah screw the doctors opinion and matty's opinion we are in a much better position to speculate


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Anonymous
Last month
16:57 10 Feb 17

Reply #623784

re: Should Knight retire?

A couple of seasons ago wasn't it said by the Cats if he had one more concussion that would be it. Fast forward to now and he's had at least a few more since... :x


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Anonymous
Last month
16:59 10 Feb 17

Reply #623785

re: Should Knight retire?

They never said that.


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Anonymous
Last month
17:02 10 Feb 17

Reply #623788

re: Should Knight retire?

Yes they did.


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Luuuc
Last month
17:09 10 Feb 17

Reply #623789

re: Should Knight retire?

^ excellent points on both sides there


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Anonymous
Last month
17:09 10 Feb 17

Reply #623790

re: Should Knight retire?

I agree with Luuuc.


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Dazz
Last month
17:12 12 Feb 17

Reply #624583

re: Should Knight retire?

There is no such thing as a mild of serious concussion
of course there is. a Single blow to the head could bee anything from nothing, to fatal, or anywhere in between.

And clearly, they DO add up, or it wouldn't be an issue.


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Anonymous
Last month
18:03 12 Feb 17

Reply #624624

re: Should Knight retire?

This just shows you how much of an idiot you are Dazz. Getting up and shrugging it off doesn't mean he is OK. A medical assessment needs to be provided depending on the situation.
If the head / brain is rattled around then it should be tested. I repeat again there is no such thing as a mild concussion. It is either a concussion or it isn't. Those are the rules.
Perhaps we could mic up the medical staff?


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Dazz
Last month
18:23 12 Feb 17

Reply #624633

re: Should Knight retire?

This just shows you how much of an idiot you are Dazz. Getting up and shrugging it off doesn't mean he is OK.
Wow, talk about "going the full retard." Can we assume your expertise on brain damage comes from personal experience?

Not only did I never say "Getting up and shrugging it off" was ok,
I actually mentioned it specifically in the context of every bump potentially contributing.

I repeat again there is no such thing as a mild concussion.
Yeah, nice try, but you can't "repeat" what you didn't say.
Since you apparently also have short-term memory loss, I'll help you out.
There is no such thing as a mild of serious concussion
I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you meant to say "or" but either way you're wrong.
According to an article on "Concussion and mild head injury", there are"At least 41 systems measure the severity, or grade, of a mild head injury"


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Dazz
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18:29 12 Feb 17

Reply #624635

re: Should Knight retire?

Perhaps what you are trying to allude to, is that in modern sporting practice, any concussion is treated as serious for the purpose of determining return to play (rather than previous systems of using either a 3 step grading, or the later simple/complex.)

But that's NOT what this thread is about.


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Anonymous
Last month
22:23 12 Feb 17

Reply #624773

re: Should Knight retire?

Great performance by Knight today especially that third quarter. Coming up big when it matters


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Anonymous
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22:37 12 Feb 17

Reply #624780

re: Should Knight retire?

Dazz clearly to many concussions which is what you keep posting.(Mod: Removed. Unnecessary.) Do some real research and please don't quote last century stuff. Doctor Google can be your friend if you know what you are researching. Try SCAT3. Or better.
Look up the AFL rules or the NRL rules for concussion.
Dazzed said "He hit his head earlier this season, but just shrugged it off" yet no comment from you about how that process could happen in the illustrious Wildcats system. Did Pottsy examine him? 1000% I bet he didn't.


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Luuuc
Last month
22:40 12 Feb 17

Reply #624781

re: Should Knight retire?

I think Ralph Malph was rostered on that night


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Anonymous
Last month
23:16 12 Feb 17

Reply #624790

re: Should Knight retire?

Didn't know you could merely "shrug off" a concussion until now.


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Anonymous
Last month
23:16 12 Feb 17

Reply #624791

re: Should Knight retire?

#thethingsyoulearn


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LurkerMcLurkey
Last month
11:55 13 Feb 17

Reply #624838

re: Should Knight retire?

Dazz... you started this thread asking about should Knight retire.

People began talking about his concussions.

Then you say this thread isn't about concussions.

But concussions are a serious injury that Knight has, which would/could force him to retire at some point.

Dazz... you are not helping yourself out here.


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