Anonymous
Earlier this year

What does new case of virus today do for sport + lifein SA?

With 14 days of being Covid19 free it looked obvious restrictions involving sport being lifted. I believe facts are that it's a 70 old male that arrived here March 20 from England, blows that 14 day incubation thing or whatever out of water, and only got tested because lost sense of taste and smell. Lives with 5 others, so God knows if they have it and if they all went out after isolation. Boffins are saying they think it's unlikely they have spread it but that sounds like they're just trying to keep the public from panicking.
So do we go back to square 1 and wait again or will authorities say bugger it, let's give it a go. Taking off my tin foil hat I reckon government can't wait any longer to lift restrictions and will risk it now they're more prepared medically if clusters break out now.

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Isaac  
Earlier this year

I suspect they have an announcement planned for tomorrow lifting some initial restrictions and that it would have been in the works all week. Too late for a single case to disrupt that, though obviously they will watch it cautiously.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Just how many tin foil hats are you wearing right now?

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

I agree Isaac, but again with my tin foil hat on, the government were high fiving each other with no cases in 2 weeks, we get one that apparently falls outside the isolation boundaries and their response is, meh, strongly doubt they would have infected anyone because they self isolated. Surely that household will have it once tests come back and I doubt after 2 weeks inside they wouldn't pop out to shops etc.
We were never going to have no cases going into the future, all this shutdown was really to give hospitals some breathing room(no pun intended) for them to stock up on supplies and train staff in ICU care. The tracking app is having some bugs with Apple phones so it makes it even tougher to trace potential contamination.
I can really see government lifting restrictions and just see what happens. My concern is we still don't know enough about this thing, now 14 day quarantine is out the window, how many people left the hotels yesterday? Most people think state borders are fully closed, but anyone can drive in from interstate and just have to declare where they will be isolating. Apparently Sapol are doing a great job in checking, but who knows if some idiot pops to servo for some smokes and milk quickly.
I can see some restrictions lifting but not all the ones they had planned on announcing, including sport now.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Another dooms dayer! The country can't stay in lockdown forever. They are going to open things up and hope that the new protocols are enough to limit US/UK/Italy/Spain like casualties. The economy can not continue on its current path. It’s as simple as that.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Hope, yep, that's good enough for me.

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koberulz  
Earlier this year

Another dooms dayer! The country can't stay in lockdown forever. They are going to open things up and hope that the new protocols are enough to limit US/UK/Italy/Spain like casualties. The economy can not continue on its current path. It's as simple as that.
I love that people think the virus will just go away because the alternative would be inconvenient.

That said, a new case today doesn't imply anything about the prescribed 14-day window. They could easily have picked it up from someone who went undiagnosed, and if there haven't been cases in two weeks it's entirely likely someone with a sniffle wouldn't bother to get tested immediately. They may have become symptomatic a few days ago. They might be asymptomatic and have been caught in a cluster test. Lots of possibilities, only one of them is particularly bad and that one is by far the least likely. We're six months in at this point, if 14 days was insufficient in most cases we'd have heard about vastly more exceptions by now.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Where did I say I wish the virus would go away because it's inconvenient? I said nothing of the sort.

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KET  
Earlier this year

Virus can last in someone 3-6 weeks.

It can take 14-16 days to show symptoms.

The person had loss of smell and taste but didn't act on it to get tested earlier.

It’s a newly discovered case but the indication is it’s probably acquired overseas.

To this extent, lack of community transmission is a good indicator for SA.

2 active known cases over there in SA atm

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UseTaHoop  
Earlier this year

Isaac probably right. Government will want to reopen.

We're not in SA, but we’re seeing the 0 cases there and thinking it was going well there due to population having more natural distancing and the warm climate in summer helping.

Our rural area has 1 known case in postcode (so probs about 3-4 in reality). It feels safe here, but visitors are always going to be the unknown. Hence Qld residents can only drive 50km, and that doesn’t include driving down to Byron Bay because it’s in NSW.

The most dangerous looking clusters have involved Sydney, with eastern suburbs and a nursing home, and Vic with a meat works and nursing home. The US has issues in meat works too. The nursing homes are a worry because that’s where some of the most vulnerable live. Staff work there and go to their families. Families of staff work too.

Junior sport will be problematic because it brings people together. Basketball is played indoors, so that comes with more risk. We will never be free from risk until we get a vaccine and it is implemented with a very high rate. But look at NRL players. Check out the Betoota Advocate for good satire of them.





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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Lets get open its time...this is a joke and like living in 1960's communist russia!

Time to get back to work!

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KET  
Earlier this year

You sound like you'd be a trump fan

Would hate to be America rn

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Agree Ket

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

The experts keep getting it all wrong.

The world will open back up and keep will come back into Australia with the Virus and it will spread and the weak will die that it the way its worked throughout history.


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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Lets flush it through Australia so we can get back to real life

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KET  
Earlier this year

Experts don't know everything so let’s go with some randos who barely passes year 10 science opinion

Classic nutfy haha

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Mate so you want to live in a bubble forever? cmon lets get real life must go on and people need to get back to work or the whole country will be stuffed and those of us with cash will not be helping those less fortunate soon.

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Triton 26  
Earlier this year

Sounds like the SA government is pushing for all sports to resume training as of Monday, which is great news.

For the fools above, just remember this - there is no evidence that once you have had Corona virus that you are then immune. None. It's not a matter of let it go through, some people die and then we move on. Without a vaccine, there is no move on. People will just continue dying.

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KET  
Earlier this year

Yeah, it's not flu like, you don't get it and then you're immune, and it's not only oldies getting badly sick from it.

That kind of result would have a far more onerous cost on the economy and greater longevity to the far greater costs. People sick or dying isn't "free", it's not going to save us money.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Mate so no vaccine for 10 years and we staying locked up, give me a spell.

1.1 Mil Die from Aids every year
270K from Covid @ this stage so trend its around the Aids level give or take.
500K die from Flu every year

17.9Million people die from Heart diseases every year but people still aloud to eat MAccas & drink Coke so its crazy we shutting sh*t down from something that won't even be a top 5 killer in this country!


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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

"Sounds like the SA government is pushing for all sports to resume training as of Monday, which is great news."

Presumably that would be at Level B restrictions. You can check the AIS website for the list of what Levels A, B and C restrictions are for each sport. Here they are for basketball:

Level A - Running/aerobic/agility training (solo), resistance training
(solo), skills training and shooting drills (solo) at home or outdoor (no indoor sporting facility access allowed). No ball handling drills with others.

Level B - Non-contact skills using basketball — passing, shooting, defending, screens and team structure (offence and defence). Small groups (not more than 10 athletes/staff in total).

Level C - Full training and competition.

The sporting association I'm involved with (which is not basketball) is developing protocols for how its clubs should operate under Level B. It will then get those approved by the Office for Recreation and Sport before it gives clubs the green light. I don't know if this is how it will work for other sports or not.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

"Yeah, it's not flu like, you don't get it and then you're immune, and it's not only oldies getting badly sick from it."

That's not really how flu works either. Flu vaccinations are only around 50% effective each year, then that immunity doesn't usually carry onto the next strain.

In terms of people who get badly sick from COVID-19, it is almost entirely elderly and people with pre-existing conditions that complicate it. In terms of case fatality rate, the most recent data for people below 60 with COVID is 0.06%, which is higher than the flu but still low.

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Triton 26  
Earlier this year

Level B restrictions I believe would be right. Training - skills etc... non-contact. No games.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Those advocating for a funeral-led economic recovery should consider that about 60 percent of SA's confirmed cases are people aged between 20 and 60. i.e. working age. Removing restrictions would lead to a lot of those people not being able to work due to COVID-19. That's apart from those who'd need to stay home to tend ailing and dying relatives.

There are good economic reasons not to lift restrictions too quickly.

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KET  
Earlier this year

" it is almost entirely elderly"

That's not true, the average age is under 70, we don’t consider under 70 as elderly.

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KET  
Earlier this year

" That's not really how flu works either. Flu vaccinations are only around 50% effective each year, then that immunity doesn't usually carry onto the next strain."

Wut? The reference was not to vaccines. When you suffer from the flu your body develops a level of antibodies that would normally prevent you getting that particular strain again.

Covid there's strong evidence that those antibodies aren’t sufficient and therefore the herd immunity concept where once you’ve recovered you won’t likely get it again goes out the window.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

#245 any patient dying from COVID-19 won't be at home being tended too by relatives. They will be in hospital in isolation. Smh

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

#239 I didn't realise heart disease was a communicable disease spread from one human to the next. Thanks for the heads up

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Does anyone have any insight how Level B works practically for Basketball given there are multi-court, multi sport stadiums out there.

In addition surely there will be a lack of court availability if you are limiting trainings to 10 persons per court (and that is questionable given the 10 may apply to a facility)

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Isaac  
Earlier this year

The tracking app is having some bugs with Apple phones so it makes it even tougher to trace potential contamination.
More than bugs: serious issues that were easy to anticipate. Friend of mine is one of the most experienced iOS developers around and was warning them before they launched. The app was DOA for iOS unless they waited for Apple and Google's framework. You can read a bit more here if you scroll back.

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Triton 26  
Earlier this year

So looking at the SA governments framework, from May 11 there is outdoor sport training commencing - so that would include football, soccer, netball etc...
BUT indoor trainings aren't allowed until possibly June 8th.

That is a massive discrepancy.

I don't wee how 10 kids kicking a football to each other can be ok, but 10 kids shooting with their own balls isn't??
Hopefully BSA is having discussions so that district trainings can commence at least

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Perthworld  
Earlier this year

This tracking app sounds worse than the new myGovID login system that came out if beta at the end of March. I get the feeling unlike private enterprise the government aren't as demanding and accept faulty product. Contractors know this and don't deliver as they know they'll get paid regardless. So frustrating for the end user.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

The Morrison government give all this to their mates businesses to make a killing, it doesn't have to work just keep donating to the liberal party and making huge profits.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

#251, know you were being a smart arse but here's some info for you :
Viral heart disease, also known as myocarditis, is a heart condition caused by a virus. The virus attacks the heart muscle, causing inflammation and disrupting the electrical pathways that signal the heart to beat properly. Most of the time, the body will heal itself and you may never know you had a problem. However, in rare cases, the infection itself and the resulting inflammation can damage and weaken the heart. This can also trigger heart failure and heart rhythm irregularities.

This condition can happen to people who seem to be in good health. The only sign of viral heart disease is flu-like symptoms for some people. Although a wide variety of viruses may affect the heart, only a few are more commonly linked to myocarditis and other heart problems.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Finally morrison at least going to get things moving.

In Vic that Dan Andrews is like a Nazi

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Yeah totally! The way Andrews has ethnically cleansed the Jews....great comparison!

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KET  
Earlier this year

Listening to medical experts = murdering Jews

Haha same person probs thinks it's caused by 5G

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

"Wut? The reference was not to vaccines. When you suffer from the flu your body develops a level of antibodies that would normally prevent you getting that particular strain again.

Covid there's strong evidence that those antibodies aren't sufficient and therefore the herd immunity concept where once you’ve recovered you won’t likely get it again goes out the window."


It's still at initial stages but studies into recovered COVID patients are showing development of antibodies that suggest immunity from the strain their bodies have fought off, as has been the case with other coronaviruses. The research has been published Nature Medicine.

The challenge will be as per influenza in that the virus will adapt, reducing the effectiveness of those antibodies. In some other coronaviruses, immunity has lasted as little as a few months, but it's too soon to know what the case will be here.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

"That's not true, the average age is under 70, we don't consider under 70 as elderly."

Not sure why you cut and pasted only a fraction of my sentence, but the complete sentence was:

"In terms of people who get badly sick from COVID-19, it is almost entirely elderly and people with pre-existing conditions that complicate it."

The hospitalisation rate and the case fatality rate show this to be true, it's not a controversial statement. The emerging data shows over 90% of COVID deaths were people with one or more pre-existing health conditions. In Italy, they've listed that as 99%.

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Anon  
Earlier this year

"Viral heart disease, also known as myocarditis, is a heart condition caused by a virus. The virus attacks the heart muscle, causing inflammation and disrupting the electrical pathways that signal the heart to beat properly. Most of the time, the body will heal itself and you may never know you had a problem. However, in rare cases, the infection itself and the resulting inflammation can damage and weaken the heart. This can also trigger heart failure and heart rhythm irregularities.

This condition can happen to people who seem to be in good health. The only sign of viral heart disease is flu-like symptoms for some people. Although a wide variety of viruses may affect the heart, only a few are more commonly linked to myocarditis and other heart problems."

Yes. Can lead to dilated cardiomyopathy. Medical science has not discovered all viruses yet, a long way short. People die from this. Covid19 can have this effect. It might trigger cardiac decomposition and end stage heart failure. In SA, there is no specialist facility for this, hence they go to St Vincent's in Sydney, and Tasmanians to Prince Alfred in Melbourne.

It is possible to be at risk of this but present as otherwise healthy. Until being a “salvage” patient in ICU. From there, artificial heart and/or transplant are needed. There are well documented cases of this.

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