Throwing baby out with the bath water.
They're a key import down - and tbh Crocker isn’t good enough as a second import. I don’t think that would change with a coach. Pinder is no good and yet a vital big backup, that won’t change with a coach.
DJ/IH/Giddey/Dech are fine if not doing well albeit shouldering too much of the burden.
Losing doesn’t necessarily start with the coach - incompetent talent or lack of talent doesn’t deliver you wins simple as that.
Adelaide are better than I was expecting this season, yes the got opened up worse than an Iverson/Delaney coming together but they were singing Connor's praises not that long ago.
An over reliance on DJ is a concern, if they can bring out the best in Humphries, Giddey, Dech and even Mr Energy off the bench + entice a gun import to return then I think that will be a pass mark for this team.
JVG has to have some part in all this. Its easy to say sack the coach, but that roster was never going to achieve anything from the get go.
JVG is a salesmen, but what has he achieved? Sloan was over the hill and lacked everything to run the team. But now they look young and rudderless. Pinder is worse than bad, surely he was scouted accordingly? Crocker is what he is, perhaps he was signed based on his $ value? The solo seasonw e have Giddey and Humphries has been wasted.
Adelaide fans are sick of any success.
JVG. Enjoy. He's doing what he did to fuck the Kings and now in Adel. Snake oil salesman. Ice to an Eskimo. Only the stupid would hire him and yet again he is a recruiting masterpiece. All it says about the owners that they are very very clueless.
I missed this game but overall I feel Adelaide has a great foundation to build a team but has been constructed incorrectly. DJ is one of the most talented offensive forwards in the league. The pairing with Humphries is perfect. Giddey is going to be a star but would he develop better as the secondary playmaker? Is he ready to run the point all game?
Dech despite the hype I feel is most suited to an off the bench style defensive stopper role.
McVeigh is under-utilised. Give him a chance to own the small forward role, is he any worse than Crocker?
Jack shoots a lot of shots, however, in a game like yesterdays he was our only offence, at lease he made his shots. The shots he shoots inside are the same as DJ and Isaac, left hook here, post fade there, the only difference is he isn't as tall. If Isaac is injured they should definitely start him, he works hard for his minutes.
Can't blame the coach, just has a roster that ain’t that good. God help the Sixers if Mudronja is the best local talent SA has. If you listened to all the hype about him from Jantke etc you would’ve thought he was the next Brett Maher!
He can’t play. And it makes you wonder if all the SA talent coming through is exactly that...overhyped flops. All good for Jantke to encourage young SA talent, but he got it horribly wrong with Mudronja, and he was meant to be the best junior coming through in the state.
Bleak times ahead.
Yeah I agree. United go and get a player like Baba, Sixers go and get a player like Mudronja. That says it all.
The talent ID in SA is wrecked. If you play for Sturt or go to PAC then you must be able to play right?
The whole BSA structure is rotten.
It may be smart for someone to advise Giddey to start thinking about shutting it down and take stock in what he has done so far in preparing for the draft. Games like last night are not going to help his stock, this team is not going to get better, and if you think that Brandon Paul is the answer think again. Scored 8.59 for Olympiakos and 10.23 for Zhejiang Chouzhou in China. He has only averaged over 20 once in his career, in China where averaging 40+ is not uncommon. Protect your future Josh.
Teams that are run by the owner & not coaches/GM ... won't put winning teams together they will just sign off of the name and not the fit with the coach/other players
JVG has hurt Adelaide this past two seasons with his signings
1.) Bringing in Randle with Joey & him don’t get along, getting rid of a player Joey loved ... caused the outbreak fall out
2.) Signing Sloan (ball dominant player) alongside Giddey, Dech, one of those guys were gonna get the bad side of the situation which ended up being Sloan quitting
3.) Team keep playing like this it’ll hurt Giddey’s draft stock
I think 36ers need to come to grips that the coach inherited most of the team and he's dealing with what he's got. OK, he's made some mistakes and seems stubborn on his rotations. However, look at his bench - there's not a lot there to be confident with. Some of those guys on the bench are wasted space and regardless of who still has a contract next season or not - clean out the fricken roster and start again. Keep Humpty / DJ / Dech (of course Giddey will be gone next season) and build something decent around them.
Big spending team for McVeigh after one good game, not certain which team that will be, Noi is the one that could get big offers even though he's not A grade. Henry has improved McVeigh a lot and imo if he gets a reasonable offer should stay. Sixers probably won’t make finals, sit the import and give bigger minutes to McVeigh, see what he’s worth.
Connor inherited Teys Mud Dillon McVeigh and Johnson.
It's the Owners/JVG that look silly because they could’ve paid out either or both Dillon/Teys (presuming Mud was off the table because he has next season contracted too). And bought in a player Connor approved rather than going through an import, wasting money on interim import and now another "stud" coming in.
The game from yesterday it’s clear...Connor only wants to play the starting 5 plus whoever has carried his bag in from the team bus. No waivering of line ups even if the starting 5 is not producing. I think Hollund needs to get into the big men rotation...can’t do any worse than Pinder and will give Johnson a break from time to time.
One things clear...Adelaide sign their coaches on contracts that have too many years attached to it. 1 to 2 years max!
They might’ve gotten Joey out the door but the same problems are clearly still there...either employing same sort of energy (JVG) or its Admin/Owners
Spending big on Humphries limited them in rest of roster. Suddenly all the league has quality bigs, yet we're paying the most for ours. Hodgson is looking good for bullet's, wish we brought him back and spent rest of money on quality imports, not bargain bin ones.
I think the rot has set in and Sixers will plummet
This isn't Connor Henry’s fault. Sacking a coach 7plus games into a 3year deal won’t happen. The roster is weak and depleted in so many ways. GK wants to save money I’d assume, and JVG would’ve sold him on his ability to create a cheap roster than will complete. Henry isn’t going to turn down a 3 year contract to coach basketball no matter how bad the roster is he is inheriting. Kelley likely heard what he wanted to when jvg would’ve said he can provide talent at a cheap cost. He lied.
"Sixers never lie down... "
I was there on Saturday. He is right. They never lie down. The first team to be swept, losing every quarter and the game, in the NBL Cup, to the bottom team who were missing their import and had two starters miss time being patched up in the locker room through injury.
I love Adelaide fans.
Lose one game, competitively, to the top team early in the season: panic stations! Sack everyone!
Put in two utter capitulations, mid-season, including against arguably the worst team in the league: Everything's fine here, the team is showing a lot of promise.
I'm not convinced on Connor but the roster is weak
DJ and Isaac carry the offence, Giddey is 18 and being relied on to carry too bigger load and Dech is a gun defensively but limited offensively.
McVeigh should never sit if Pinder is on court. Never.
I’d keep DJ, Isaac , Dech and McVeigh next year.
That’s it. Giddey will go, we will need a quality Aussie pg or import to replace. We better hope they go back to 3 imports.
I’d like something like this
Import pg/ Dech
Paul (if turns out good and would come back/Dech
MCVeigh/ Aussie player
3rd import a back up big or local big if only 2 imports
Then fill the roster accordingly. No Pinder, Teys, Dillon and ? On Mudjronja
? on Mudronja
Guy would be lucky to have had 20 mins total court time in his pro career...when he does get on looks absolutely spooked...rabbit in the spotlight.
Not NBL standard.
If the 36s want a local player, go get Issac White, plays with heart and grunt, competitive, can shoot.
Exactly the type of player Sixers need
The Giddey signing makes no sense from a building a program perspective if he nicks off after one season. Turning the keys over to a 18 year old so he can realise his NBA dream benefits the club how? I thought we were in the NBL to win games and ultimately a championship, not be a platform for guys to show their stuff. And whilst Giddey is talented, your point guard needs to run the show, be a leader and have the whole teams ear. That's a lot of pressure for a kid. There is obviously a lot of internal issues the coaching staff need to work through, but I wouldn't be starting Giddey. He's not THAT good that starting is automatic. You've got some veterans on that team who may just want to get off the Giddey train.
KR - first game they lost to Melbourne by 24The trend covers well more than just this year.
They broke club records for worst import debut and biggest loss at home
Imports combined for 8 / 2/ 6 total
May need to rethink the definition of competitively
White and Mudronja would be exchanging notes here and there.
As would McVeigh with guys in his group.
If the Creek shambles shut the recruiting door for Adelaide on those guys around Creek, Henry is about to get the opportunity to recruit younger talent in Mudronjas group shut in his face too.
The Giddey thing is a disaster from beginning to end.
The kid should be a top 10 pick and will slide to 2nd round at this rate.
Giddeys group will not be interested in going to Adelaide either.
Your comment was "Lose one game, competitively, to the top team early in the season: panic stations! Sack everyone!"I wasn't talking about a specific game, or even a specific season. I was talking about a long-term trend of overreacting to any loss by demanding sackings. How many "Sack Joey" threads have there been?
Facts say that they were not competitive in that game as has been highlighted by , you know, the facts.
Koberulz at it again.
But seriously, we are a sh$tshow right now and if Isaac is out for a lengthy amount of time, we are totally screwed. Surely Crocker would be axed for an import big? Or do we just ride it out? Or look for an Aussie big somewhere? Ya can't have Pinder playing more minutes. Rather drag Mark Bradtke out of retirement than watch Pinder play more minutes.
With some luck and results falling Sixers way could be log jam in couple games time with SEM hawks Brissy Sixers all locked on 6 or 7 wins a piece.. so to write off adelaide at this stage bit too quick.. certainly need to improve but cairns and hawks are win possible games - neither really rocking to the tunes of victory in Sardinia..
Sixers not likely to be so piss more - teams though will.disrespect and have trackies dacks dacked... goes without saying but will because ...uneducated will erupt. IH must play and DJ to lead all scorers .. pinder to have a bender ... shots all night be nothing but net...
Joey Wright would always get the best out his roster, over achievers is a word I would use to describe the majority of his teams. All players developed immensely through his coaching. There was never any BS, he called it as he saw it, there were no boring cliches'. You new where the dominoes would fall.
Last year was an aberration as there were no players who stepped up on th3 court or in the locker room, he put together a very dysfunctional team and this happens in any sport.
Connor no doubt is a good coach but as far as development and a leader of men he doesn’t come close to Joey Wright.
Connor Henry is being told who he has to coach. He didn't pick this team. Maybe why Adam Caporn told them to shove it. Look further up the chain if you want a head to roll as somebody treats it as their personal little play thing. Unfortunately will throw the coach under the bus when it goes to shit.
Watching it unfold was quite uncomfortable, just seeing how bad he was reacting to it all. Surely he would know Perth would have gotten bollocking at half time. I would be interested in his message at the half. You wouldn't give a bollocking, but you would make damn sure they wouldn't be complacent like they were to start half. Probably one of lowest points in club history.
Should get rid of Crocker and bring in Orlando. For such a bad fit and his level of play, boy is he selfish taking bad shots. Even when things were clicking in first half you could already see jealousy of Paul's great start. Why the hell was he the one dribbling air out of ball isolating at top of key for last shot?
He called two time outs, one they show on tv, was forceful without being over the top called a play for an easy bucket that was totally stuffed up by the players. Crocker is a dud, when Humphries is back start him on the bench and McVeigh in the 3, his improvement this season is great. You need cattle and Sixers are very short on that, as others have said hard with 18 year old point, no matter how good he could be.
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