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Anonymous
Last year
Brett has just announced his resignation as boomers coach. Who will step in now Bevo has to be favourite doesn't he?
http://www.theage.com.au/sport/basketball/brett-brown-resigns-as-boomers-coach-20121029-28f13.html
DB5
Last year
14:58 29 Oct 12
Just announced on Fox Sports News.
Did not see that coming! Please not Shane Heal.
Hurls
Last year
15:00 29 Oct 12
Not shane heal or Marty Clarke for crying out loud. Andre Lemanis
Spursfan
Last year
15:01 29 Oct 12
Natural progression would be Lemanis. Hopefully it's Lemanis.
SVD
Last year
15:09 29 Oct 12
NOoooooooooooooo! He is a great job in the Olympics - real shame. Think he is a very good coach
Hurls
Last year
15:13 29 Oct 12
Lemanis I hope... If they some how have an aneurysm and give the position to Marty Clarke I may commit suicide
orbit
Last year
15:16 29 Oct 12
How could Clarkes name be mentioned here? Am i missing something?
Andy
Last year
15:17 29 Oct 12
Give the job to Carrie Graf, she has stuffed the Opals around for years.
skip
Last year
15:23 29 Oct 12
Orbit - Marty Clark was an Assistant Coach in London along with Lemanis.
LC
Last year
15:28 29 Oct 12
Should BA recruit internationally for best candidate ala the Socceroos or go for someone local like Bevo?
Anonymous
Last year
15:28 29 Oct 12
Mystro
Last year
15:36 29 Oct 12
Hopefully Lemanis gets the nod. Done great things with the Breakers, helped turn around the club on and off the court and all the players speak very highly of him.
Otherwise go for a Graham Henry/Steve Hansen combo of Lemanis/Bevo.
Both get the most out of their players and have the ability to coach their teams back into a contest when it isn't going their way.
hoopie
Last year
15:41 29 Oct 12
Yes: Bevo, Lemanis, some American or European coach of note
Maybe: Guy Molloy, Brian Goorjian, Tom Maher
NO WAY: most of the current NBL coaches
Spursfan
Last year
15:46 29 Oct 12
Is Dunlap in the conversation? Must be doing something right if he got an NBA gig.
Spursfan
Last year
15:48 29 Oct 12
And before you get all bent out of shape, I know he's an American...
Very Old
Last year
16:00 29 Oct 12
GOOD - Lemanis, Gordie, Beveridge.all have assistant coach experience in the Boomers.
WTF ?? - Heal, Clarke, both have assistant coach experience in the Boomers
UNBELIEVABLE (but could be very funny) Graf, Timms, Maher ( I remember his time in the NBL - not so good there !)
Very Old
Last year
16:06 29 Oct 12
accidental early post above - sorry
GOOD - Lemanis, Gordie, Beveridge. all have assistant coach experience in the Boomers.
PERFECT !! - (But only in their own mind) Heal, Clarke, (both have assistant coach experience in the Boomers)+ Bruce Palmer,Scott Fischer
back to the past - Gorj !!!!
UNBELIEVABLE (but could be very funny) Graf, Timms, Maher ( I remember his time in the NBL - not so good there !)
Very Old
Last year
16:12 29 Oct 12
Final word - The name least likely to be mentioned , but actually a coaching legend who has rarely underperformed internationally or in the NBL would be Dr Adrian Hurley. ( the only time he did it tough was when some boomer players were immature and underdisciplined - would never happen now).
Vart
Last year
16:12 29 Oct 12
For mine it's Bevo plain and simple. Most of the current team are his world championship juniors from 2003. Let him have a crack with them at senior level.
paul
Last year
17:34 29 Oct 12
I think it will come down to Beveridge and Lemanis. Whichever of them gets it should take McLeod and Fearne as assistants.
I am leaning towards Bevo as my personal favourite but hear Lemanis has been working hard as he has known for some time there would be a job available, probably making him the favourite.
They both have international experience and both play a good mix of Aussie/FIBA ball with their club teams so either would be a good choice.
Anonymous
Last year
18:28 29 Oct 12
As Paul said. Bevo with Gordie and Fearne as assistants is ideal. All well respected by players, can get their teams to overachieve, have the integrity to not play favourites and will call people out when needed without humiliating them.
Anonymous
Last year
18:35 29 Oct 12
Bevo's game style of trapping and matchup zones would be our only chance of snaring a medal because it is different from other power teams and may cause an upset.
Lemanis is a good half court coach but needs to have an equal or more talented roster for his style to be effective.
Anonymous
Last year
19:02 29 Oct 12
What about Gleeson? Seems like a good fit IMO, and he gets on great with Bevo. That'd be a great coaching pair.
Anonymous
Last year
19:02 29 Oct 12
What about Gleeson? Seems like a good fit IMO, and he gets on great with Bevo. That'd be a great coaching pair.
orbit
Last year
20:09 29 Oct 12
Would love 2 see Goorgian back. Lemanis is a good option cos most his side are kiwis. We dont want Bevo filling the team with Wildcats! Gordie also capable. Gleeson as 36er coach & asst. Fearne needs to get some wins on the board & help with defensive strategy (though marty needed no wins.)
Hurls
Last year
20:26 29 Oct 12
I have to agree that having an NBL coach as coach is risky... look what brian G did with the whole russel hinder/luke kendall thing? neither of thoes guys were players that should have ever worn the green and gold but they did.. If you get Bevo you might have Damien Martin, wagstaff and redhage as starters for all you know. I liked having an NBA coach which would look at the talent on hand un=bias... we need to look at NBA coaches or Australian coaches in COllege systems first I think
Japorms
Last year
21:03 29 Oct 12
long term commitment from both sides will be a key. BA needs to find a coach they can work with in a long term relation.
The coaching years have to be solid.
Anonymous
Last year
21:11 29 Oct 12
Anonymous
Last year
22:07 29 Oct 12
Wayne
Last year
23:38 29 Oct 12
Frank arsego someone with exp c ompletely left of centre and someone with unlimited time with no other coaching commitments.
We need someone with complete commitment to the program withoutany ties at all
Wayne
Last year
23:38 29 Oct 12
Frank arsego someone with exp c ompletely left of centre and someone with unlimited time with no other coaching commitments.
We need someone with complete commitment to the program withoutany ties at all
Anonymous
Last year
00:41 30 Oct 12
definately bevo and or lemanis. dont agree with orbit he wont pick a bunch of wildcats, while martin, wagstaff and knight are good players they arent top 12. bevos history with juniors will help him develop the younger players.
anon
Last year
06:08 30 Oct 12
HoldenV8
Last year
06:36 30 Oct 12
How about The General? Phil Smyth would be a perfect Boomers coach.
Lol
Last year
07:53 30 Oct 12
How did that work out last time?
Oh thats right. We didnt even qualify for the worlds because we lost to New Zealand.
And how does Stackers name come up when he never won at NBL level over multiple teams and multiple years.
Gotta be Bevo or Lemanis if we cant get someone from OS.
Anonymous
Last year
08:31 30 Oct 12
Both programs need some change. Preferably from overseas. we have been coaching the same way with either the original or clones for 20+ years. Everything they do i predicable and has been seen before. Lets get around the idea that we need something to change to do better.
hoopie
Last year
08:55 30 Oct 12
Bevo and Lemanis - potentially a great team - and maybe with Gordo or Fearne as an assistant.
Can anyone explain why Marty Clarke is an assistant coach anyway? He seems to be a good player development coach, but wouldn't you need a strategy whiz rather than a player development coach in the Boomers?
Bizzy
Last year
09:10 30 Oct 12
What's to say Marty isn't? You don't get picked as an assistant for fun.
The Breakers stuck with Lemanis through the early stages, when the Breakers struggled. How'd that pay off?
It takes time to change a culture of a club.
Young Gun
Last year
10:08 30 Oct 12
I REALLY hope Bevo is made Head Coach. The guy has shown at the AIS & NBL that he is all class. Makes great coaching decisions & develops guys. He has respect internationally, having coached at the Nike Hoops Summit for a number of years & he has huge respect from the current Boomers, having coached many at the AIS.
Also, I think his time at the unfortunate Sydney Spirit showed that he was able to lead and coach through difficult and less than ideal times.
paul
Last year
10:25 30 Oct 12
Bevo would be my choice. He knows the international game but will give us an Aussie point of difference that will upset other teams' rhythm.
That's an important part that both Goorjian and Brown worked out at the end of their stints, and I think having a coach who understands that from the start would be a big positive.
Nike Al
Last year
10:38 30 Oct 12
Bevo would be the best option but if ba has some money to spend on a great coach they should chase Phil Jackson
Anon12
Last year
10:57 30 Oct 12
If you haven't already seen it - read Boty's Blog on this and his overwhelming reason for bringing back Goorjian.
And before people start making comments - READ THE BLOG - and then challenge his reasoning.
Mystro
Last year
12:34 30 Oct 12
Brown may have been forced to quit as Sean Marks may not have okayed his time off lol.
Anonymous
Last year
13:09 30 Oct 12
Anonymous
Last year
14:11 30 Oct 12
Whoever is appointed, I trust they dont take lessons from some of the previous coaches who have treated some of the players poorly at the Olympics. Example: when well down against the USA, Brown could not find any minutes for Gibson etc to have some joy of playing against the best in the World and as a thanks for the effort put into the team. Same happened to Maher and Cattalini who were the form NBL players at the time but received very little court time in preference to Heal etc who played whether he was playing well or not! Note to new coach - please treat your players with some consideration and give them the international experience they deserve - especially when the game is lost or in the bag !
Rhea 91
Last year
15:25 30 Oct 12
Anonymous
Last year
15:46 30 Oct 12
Bevo never coached the AIS. He was the scholarship coach years ago. He coached the Under 19s to a Gold in 2003 and coached the Nike World Select team at the Hoops Summit.
Hurls
Last year
16:08 30 Oct 12
I dont see why the Phil Jackson comment is so funny, stranger things have happened.. he cant get a job right now this might be a challenge he would like... I think they should make the call atleast. And I agree about gorjian... hes the next in line if we cant geta phil jackson miracle
DB5
Last year
16:17 30 Oct 12
More chance of Phil Smyth than Phil Jackson.
he cant get a job right now
Anonymous
Last year
16:29 30 Oct 12
I can't agree with Boti about Goorjian. I just remember him looking lost on the sideline as oppositions ran over us. He was undoubtedly a great NBL coach, maybe even the greatest but I don't think his system translated well to the international game. Maybe he's picked up a few new tricks in China.
Of all the options though, only he & Beveridge have real experience internationally
paul
Last year
17:20 30 Oct 12
Goorjian ran four or five different systems as Boomers coach. The 06 one was good for the limited cattle he had, while I thought how they finished playing in Beijing was pretty close to the money.
I personally dont see a reason to go back though, he was definitely a good Boomers coach towards the end but not a great one.
Japorms
Last year
21:33 30 Oct 12
yes for Phil Jackson. he may have a huge price tag but who knows he might give it a go for a bargain, for a change.
i once saw him wandering alone around Sydney CBD few years ago as a tourist.
**just a wishful thinking ")
Hurls
Last year
21:46 30 Oct 12
When it comes to Phil Jackson, just ask for the sake of asking.. whats the worst hes gonna say? No?
EC
Last year
22:00 30 Oct 12
Brett Brown Resigns as Boomers Coach? He must have heard of the dire trouble the 36ers are in. Brett, hope you've booked your flights to Adelaide real soon. No time to waste here. There is still a championship up for grabs.
HoldenV8
Last year
23:28 30 Oct 12
Have to admit I forgot about our non-qualification the last time Smyth coached. I think its something people try to forget....
Who is available and actually has experience, if not at international level but at least in the NBL? Sounds like Andrej Lemanis might be the best bet. Can't knock his record with the Breakers.
Vart
Last year
08:07 31 Oct 12
I'm gonna have to laugh out loud to at the Phil Jackson comments. I mean, c'mon, seriously?
Whilst I believe Goorjian probably deserved another four years, I can't see BA turning back the clock to bring him in. Especially now with him being based in China and not having any real exposure to Australian players on a regular basis.
In my opinion, for what it's worth, there are three standout candidates at the moment - Beveridge, Lemanis and McLeod.
I personally would like to see Bevo get the nod. He's familiar with the core of the group having coached a lot of them at junior level, whilst also being an assistant to some of Goorjian's Boomers teams, he understands the current landscape of international basketball, and has a system that's a bit different to the norm. And more importantly, his teams play their guts out every single minute of the game.
DB5
Last year
09:31 31 Oct 12
Not saying Phil Smyth should be given a go, but for the record that team was one of the worst Boomers squads that I have ever seen. Gaze, Heal, Bradtke, and Longley had all hung up their boots.
Anonymous
Last year
10:44 31 Oct 12
Not trying to defend Smyth but this was the 2000 Sydney Olympic team:
Gaze
Heal
Longley
Bradtke
Vlahov
Grace
Anstey
Rogers
MacKinnon
Smith
Cattalini
Maher
These were the players from that team available for selection the following year against NZ:
Maher
Anonymous
Last year
11:11 31 Oct 12
...maybe some of them resigned because of who the coach was?
Hurls
Last year
11:23 31 Oct 12
That was our best line up ever that 2000 team... if they used the bench properly they would have medalled I believe
juno18
Last year
11:31 31 Oct 12
Now that the Olympic team is nearly all overseas players, may suit Goorjian better.
Can't see that squad changing soon altho believe Martin may get in over Gibson.Nielsen maynot retire?
PC will be replaced by someone in Europe or College IMO.
Anonymous
Last year
12:20 31 Oct 12
...maybe some of them resigned because of who the coach was?
Young Gun
Last year
12:45 31 Oct 12
I think you're right about saying that all those guys retired at the same time. And there could have been at least one guy leaving the program because of Smyth.
My problem with Smyth losing that series was that despite losing the core group from the Sydney Olympics, the core group of guys coming through had won a Silver as U19's & Gold as U23's. It was supposed to be the team that would take us to medal contention.
From memory too, I don't think that Mackinnon was available (Saville playing the 2?? is that right). Then of course, sure, there is debate that Rillie or Harvey should've been there.
Mystro
Last year
12:59 31 Oct 12
and the Tall Blacks squad went on to Finish 4th at the WC's in 02
DB5
Last year
12:59 31 Oct 12
Found this.
Smyth's 2001 Boomers
1. D-mac
2. Maher
3. Saville
4. Nielsen
5. Melmeth
6. McGregor
7. Egan
8. Moore
9. Knight
10. Dench
11. Nash (left out of 10 man team)
12. Rogers (late injury)
That lineup is terrible. The bench is horrid, and thank F#$% Nash was left out! Rogers would have helped a lot.
Anonymous
Last year
13:52 31 Oct 12
Not sure about Harvey but I do remember some controversy over the non-selection of Rillie.
However it's fair to say Smyth had bugger all to pick from and in fairness did well to only lose 2-1 to a NZ side that went on to finish 4th at the WC's the following year.
Anonymous
Last year
13:52 31 Oct 12
Not sure about Harvey but I do remember some controversy over the non-selection of Rillie.
However it's fair to say Smyth had bugger all to pick from and in fairness did well to only lose 2-1 to a NZ side that went on to finish 4th at the WC's the following year.
Anonymous
Last year
13:53 31 Oct 12
Vart
Last year
14:02 31 Oct 12
Yeah, when you look back at that 2001 Boomers squad, with the fortune of hindsight knowing that NZ finished 4th in the world in 2002, you realise that perhaps he didn't do that bad of a job. But the shock of losing the series at the time, regardless of the squad, meant that he had to fall on his sword.
paul
Last year
15:47 31 Oct 12
Smyth came in at a tough time but made his own bed by picking an experimental line-up with only two guards for the Oceania series and playing Sav some PG from memory.
Shame, because I think Phil could have been a good Boomers coach with a full line-up.
Vart
Last year
15:58 31 Oct 12
I agree Paul. And for reasons part Phil's fault, and part not his doing, we'll never know for sure.
Andy
Last year
16:01 1 Nov 12
No to Brian G, I can't stand listening to his horrible voice. ALLL RRIGHT
Anonymous
Last year
08:05 2 Nov 12
So either the bookies at Sportsbet know something the rest of us don't or they have a very cruel sense of humour listing Marty Clarke at the same odds as Beveridge to get the Boomers gig:
http://www.sportsbet.com.au/betting/basketball-aus-other/basketball-specials/Next-Boomers-Head-Coach-466101.html
Gee I hope it's the latter!
Seriously, what are these guys smoking? Not only do they have Clarke at the same odds as Bevo but they then then put Shane Heal ahead of Goorjian & have Gaze not far behind.
