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Isaac
Two years ago

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Tigers' Slepoy: Flopping worse than scuffles

But Slepoy insists the actions of his players, including import Seth Scott who escaped suspension despite admitting to striking the Kings' Ben Madgen in the head, is less damaging to the game than flopping - intentionally falling despite little or no physical contact.

"That's what is detrimental to the game," Slepoy said on Thursday.

"That's what gives it the reputation of a game of cheats rather than a game of passionate athletes."
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Obviously he's talking about the chest-beating incidents rather than Malice at the Palace style extravaganzas. Has he got a point?

Someone pointed out on Twitter that the Tigers made inside back page of the papers after that game, despite losing. And that was unusually good coverage for them.

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HO
Two years ago
14:03 23 Nov 12

Reply #388849

re: Tigers' Slepoy: Flopping worse than scuffles

reasonably extreme statement...

"game of cheats".

Now Football.....


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skud
Two years ago
14:08 23 Nov 12

Reply #388850

re: Tigers' Slepoy: Flopping worse than scuffles

I agree 100%. Anger is a part of life and managing to control it is as well, while people claim seeing it at sporting venues is bad for children, any decent parent can actually use it as an example for their children of what is NOT acceptable and why you need to be able to control your emotions or vent them in different ways. The kids also see the perpetrators punished for their actions

Cheating how ever when it is rewarded such as flopping becomes a taught skill. This teaches kids that its acceptable to cheat to succeed in sports..not cool. It also makes watching the game a complete joke, you lose respect for players, umpires and teams. When championships are decided by decisions based on cheating the entire competition loses its respect.


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X
Two years ago
14:20 23 Nov 12

Reply #388853

re: Tigers' Slepoy: Flopping worse than scuffles

Great call Slepoy.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
14:23 23 Nov 12

Reply #388854

re: Tigers' Slepoy: Flopping worse than scuffles

I agree. Flopping is completely soft and ruins the game of basketball.


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skip
Two years ago
14:25 23 Nov 12

Reply #388855

re: Tigers' Slepoy: Flopping worse than scuffles

Let's not forget the biggest (most talked about) Flop last year was by their star player. I didnt hear him saying anyhting then.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
15:02 23 Nov 12

Reply #388859

re: Tigers' Slepoy: Flopping worse than scuffles

Yep. I agree.

Scuffles and fighting, however inappropriate, show passion. The individual throwin the fists may doin showing they're a bit foolish, not being able to focus the anger into their game....but they are also demostrating their passion.
Its not to be glorified, and punishments must be made public to show the kids acting like that is not the way to behave, but i don't believe it brings detriment to the game...unlike flopping.
Flopping encourages, or really is cheating. Pretending you were hit in such a way, with excessive force or completely faking the contact in order to deceive the umpire into making an incorrect call is a lie, a cheat and is weak. It shows poor defensive ability, having to rely on a umpires mistake rather than your own ability.
It's no good to watch, seeing your team loose the ball to a flop is incredibly annoying, and it's almost embarrassing to see possession taken with a flop.
Putting the umpire under more pressure to make the wrong call by flopping couldn't be doing any good either. They haven't been too bad this season but I'd hate to see the level of officiating drop because of players diving to gettta call.


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Isaac
Two years ago
15:12 23 Nov 12

Reply #388860

re: Tigers' Slepoy: Flopping worse than scuffles

The NBL have warned Bruce for his flop.

Do they now have a formal system for warning and penalising flops?

If not, should they follow the NBA's suggestion? Warning first, then (penalty adjusted for earnings somewhat) $500, then $1,000, etc?


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boss
Two years ago
17:40 23 Nov 12

Reply #388873

re: Tigers' Slepoy: Flopping worse than scuffles

100% back slepoys comments


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HO
Two years ago
17:53 23 Nov 12

Reply #388874

re: Tigers' Slepoy: Flopping worse than scuffles

So you 100% agree Boss? You think basketball has a reputation as a game of cheats?

So the guy on the street things basketball is just full of cheats?


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Isaac
Two years ago
18:00 23 Nov 12

Reply #388875

re: Tigers' Slepoy: Flopping worse than scuffles

HO, depends what you take from it. Literally, it's a massive and awkward overstatement, almost offensive. But on my first read, I completely glossed over that and was thinking "flop vs scuffle", and tended to agree that I'd favour removing the former from the sport as a priority.

I think people throw "100%" around too soon and this might've just been habit for boss. Giving them benefit of the doubt, anyway.


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X
Two years ago
18:19 23 Nov 12

Reply #388876

re: Tigers' Slepoy: Flopping worse than scuffles

"That's what *HAS THE POTENTIAL TO* give it the reputation of a game of cheats rather than a game of passionate athletes."

...is how read it.


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Mystro
Two years ago
19:19 23 Nov 12

Reply #388879

re: Tigers' Slepoy: Flopping worse than scuffles

I agree with Skip, did he rush down to the locker room to discuss how detrimental to the game it is when that went down? I highly doubt it. He is concerned because he has an entire team of ill disciplined knuckleheads that will get suckered into cheap fouls and conflict.


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FYI
Two years ago
20:00 23 Nov 12

Reply #388880

re: Tigers' Slepoy: Flopping worse than scuffles

Slepoy wasn't in charge or the CEO then


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fstos
Two years ago
20:31 23 Nov 12

Reply #388884

re: Tigers' Slepoy: Flopping worse than scuffles

He was a shareholder of some sort though I think?

Did he comment on Flynn's massive embellishment?


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rjd
Two years ago
13:56 24 Nov 12

Reply #388936

re: Tigers' Slepoy: Flopping worse than scuffles

Obviously he is not going to be unnecessarily publicly critical about his own players' past indiscretions. He is first and foremost concerned about his Tigers. Anyone who expects otherwise, that he should've been consistent and also criticised individual Tigers flops, is expecting way too much from a team owner. Frankly I think it would be worse if he spoke out against the Mills flop publicly considering he had the opportunity to have a quiet word to him at any time.


Any perceived hypocrisy from not calling out his own players still does not indicate that his argument about the damage that flopping does to the game is without merit.


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LV
Two years ago
17:02 24 Nov 12

Reply #388952

re: Tigers' Slepoy: Flopping worse than scuffles

Well said rjd.


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Camel 31
Two years ago
17:47 24 Nov 12

Reply #388954

re: Tigers' Slepoy: Flopping worse than scuffles

Most likely watching Dusty do a layup then go to the line when there was absolutely no contact is worse
Or a blocking foul when it's a charge
aw., wot is it , offensive foul these days , I think.
I used to care , but things have changed.


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Camel 31
Two years ago
12:41 25 Nov 12

Reply #388999

re: Tigers' Slepoy: Flopping worse than scuffles

..and if it's a foul on Dann you'd take the ball from the side , rather than free throws . The ole days are gone forever ...


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