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auslot
Two years ago

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Signing a new import over the christmas break

I cant understand the thinking for signing a new import so close to christmas and needing to get the paperwork done over christmas/new year break.

the last time we needed to get an import cleared over christmas was dusty rychart and he didnt play for a few games while it was happening.

oh well there are other factors that i dont know about so i hope it all turns out ok.

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Ingles13
Two years ago
08:57 30 Dec 12

Reply #394782

re: Signing a new import over the christmas break

Other option: wait until after the break and miss the same games


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Anonymous
Two years ago
09:12 30 Dec 12

Reply #394785

re: Signing a new import over the christmas break

And save money.


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Isaac
Two years ago
10:39 30 Dec 12

Reply #394806

re: Signing a new import over the christmas break

The cutting of Massingale was due to probation timing. While the new import hasn't played, presumably he's training with the team which is invaluable.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
11:03 30 Dec 12

Reply #394814

re: Signing a new import over the christmas break

Could have gone 3 - 0 with Massingale. Clarke made that decision. CJ was starting to find form when he got minutes.

It is him who is the problem.


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Marcus Camby
Two years ago
11:17 30 Dec 12

Reply #394824

re: Signing a new import over the christmas break

Auslot...I hope you are not blaming anyone for the visa / clearance delays.

If you did then we'd have to blame :

1) The team for not finding SC earlier.

2) The Visa Department for having the audacity to take holidays during the Christmas 'Holidays' period.

3) FIBA clearance team for having the audacity to take holidays during the Christmas 'Holidays' period.

I would hope people see reason and understand its all bad timing. Anyone ever tried to get a tradesman in during the festive period?


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Anonymous
Two years ago
11:49 30 Dec 12

Reply #394832

re: Signing a new import over the christmas break

When would they start to get paid? Is it per game? Or how do they work it out? He pay his own ticket here?


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Mystro
Two years ago
12:10 30 Dec 12

Reply #394835

re: Signing a new import over the christmas break

does he have to walk to training lol?


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Isaac
Two years ago
12:12 30 Dec 12

Reply #394836

re: Signing a new import over the christmas break

CJ didn't have to walk to training, he chose to. Complete non-point.


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Happy Days
Two years ago
12:22 30 Dec 12

Reply #394839

re: Signing a new import over the christmas break

Saw Seth Scott in Melbourne the other day driving an old Magna from the Mitsubishi days.Most SEABL imports drive better cars than that.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
12:23 30 Dec 12

Reply #394841

re: Signing a new import over the christmas break

We would not have won all games with CJ the way he was playing.

He also accepted a contract so don't cry about it when not good enough.

Why thank players for picking him up and dropping him off then say you had to walk.

No players have cars and plenty should before him.


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Mystro
Two years ago
12:25 30 Dec 12

Reply #394842

re: Signing a new import over the christmas break

hence the lol Isaac ;)


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Anonymous
Two years ago
13:05 30 Dec 12

Reply #394848

re: Signing a new import over the christmas break

Might sound ruthless but surely you organise your import replacement to be available such that you don't play multiple games with no import.

Marcus, all that you posted about immigration problems and delays over the festive season are correct. Yet the 36ers should have been aware of such issues in advance.

We lost three games we ought to have won if we had an import (or a good coach).

I understand that we would have had to pay CJ out if he was cut after the two month probation.

However, he was only on $37k. How much would have his pay out have been? Couldn't have been much over half of that.

If we kept CJ until a replacement was available we might have made the play offs and enjoyed a return from a home final greater than the money we avoided paying CJ.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
13:34 30 Dec 12

Reply #394856

re: Signing a new import over the christmas break

Do you actually know how many people or organisations are involved in this process


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Anonymous
Two years ago
16:12 30 Dec 12

Reply #394917

re: Signing a new import over the christmas break

do u think he'll be right by tomorrow?


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paul
Two years ago
16:20 30 Dec 12

Reply #394921

re: Signing a new import over the christmas break

I read somewhere Massingale was on a two-year deal? If that is true the pay-out could have been quite a bit.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
16:22 30 Dec 12

Reply #394922

re: Signing a new import over the christmas break

Yeah, it takes the other teams 4 games to get their replacement import sorted?

Oh that is right, the 36ers waited until the week of Christmas.

Top effort that.

1st rate organisation both on and off the Court.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
16:30 30 Dec 12

Reply #394928

re: Signing a new import over the christmas break

No way CJ would have been on a 2 year deal.

Why would they have signed him for 2 years?

At most a $20k pay out if they had kept him for an extra 3 weeks I reckon.

Are we a viable entity or not?

Jeopardising our season over that sort of money is a worry long term.

Then again rumour has it they are only keeping Clarke as they can't afford to replace him. Is that the case or do they actually rate him as a coach?

Admit you got it wrong and move forward for the good of the club.

Boti added another piece to his blog which is 100 percent correct.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
20:08 30 Dec 12

Reply #395020

re: Signing a new import over the christmas break

Not sure Boti was completely correct he does seem to have his own desire to burn the sixers whenever he gets a chance.

You can't compare eras to many things different, even simply the salary cap being so much different makes it harder.

He talks of more south Aussies, 1 we don't have that many to make a competitive team at the moment and 2 he is not a very loyal south Aussie either. I enjoy reading his opinions but they are just that. Just another opinion.


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Isaac
Two years ago
20:43 30 Dec 12

Reply #395033

re: Signing a new import over the christmas break

In the old days, many players had cars in their contracts via a sponsor. In 2002, even first-year rookies had them. Not true now. Haven't seen a car with 36ers branding going around for a while now. Again, the car or walking is a complete red-herring in the Massingale issue.

Preparing a replacement is though. I would've guessed that Massingale's cutting was a late decision, but his minutes had evaporated in advance suggesting that the decision had been made a couple of games prior.

Urgency wasn't quite there until Creek got injured. e.g., he wasn't getting minutes as it was.


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FM
Two years ago
23:02 30 Dec 12

Reply #395048

re: Signing a new import over the christmas break

Easy really. You get Scott to play one game in the US in any crap league. Then apply for a USA clearance to 36ers which the US will do in one day if you are willing to pay.

Then you find someone in BA who is willing to take a look at the USA clearance, log you into the FIBA system and done. Clearance sorted.

You would have thought if you had spent a considerable amount of time as the AIS coach, this would be scratch on the back easy stuff. Not really rocket science is it, considering how long ago Scott was released from Europe. He had already been replaced in Europe plus a media release stating he was a released player. I clearance from Europe could have been done in a day also considering our coach is suppose to have connections.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
09:38 31 Dec 12

Reply #395084

re: Signing a new import over the christmas break

Its not as simple as you are making out. For starters there is every chance that those O/S are on holdays already. You haven't mentioned the immigration process in Autsralia either. They are on holidays this time of year as well. There is no priority there for basketballers anymore. Those on BA that used to be able to get that done are long gone.


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paul
Two years ago
09:44 31 Dec 12

Reply #395085

re: Signing a new import over the christmas break

FM, that would be great if the team in the 'crap league' in the US didnt have to get a clearance from Europe before he could play. All that would do is mean you have to wait for two clearances and a game in the US before he can get here let alone play.

When he was released from Europe isnt really relevant either. Regardless the governing body still needs to clear him after undertaking checks that all is ok for it to do so.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
11:55 31 Dec 12

Reply #395097

re: Signing a new import over the christmas break

This whole mess would be enough to make a BigV team get embarrassed.

Most imports in the SEABL even get cars (even if its a bomb) but that is better than nothing.

CJ won the game by himself against Perth and his confidence was high. In the next game Clarke barely plays him??? WTF? Yet he continually plays his 'boys' huge minutes even when they are struggling.

Would not want to be african american and going to the 36ers at the moment either. Even last season Simpson would get benched for long periods when playing good.

He would end up with 18 points and 10 rebounds in 22 minutes, while Weigh would get 35 for 8 points and 3 rebounds.

How many games left of Clarke's contract?


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Isaac
Two years ago
12:02 31 Dec 12

Reply #395100

re: Signing a new import over the christmas break

Inclusion of a car comes at the expense of actual payment more often than not. Is there a cap at SEABL level where a car sponsor chipping in comes into play? Again, like I said, irrelevant to the argument.


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Happy Days
Two years ago
12:25 31 Dec 12

Reply #395104

re: Signing a new import over the christmas break

No cap in SEABL regarding wages.There is a push to harness some of the bigger clubs.Most SEABL clubs have a contra deal with a car dealership which usually means both imports get a car each plus the CEO may also get one.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
12:32 31 Dec 12

Reply #395106

re: Signing a new import over the christmas break

Can we get over the CJ thing. He played one good game and people still talk like he would have won us more. Of his 18 points what 10 were free throws, he had 17.33 against melb the week before and did nothing with his time.

He is gone lets get over it and support Scott. The guy is here now to play for us and should be given the chance by fans CJ was.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
12:38 31 Dec 12

Reply #395109

re: Signing a new import over the christmas break

Is Scott playing tonight?


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Anonymous
Two years ago
13:25 31 Dec 12

Reply #395120

re: Signing a new import over the christmas break

How many times did CJ play over 20 minutes though?

Car may be irrelevant, but the fact that semi professional teams in the SEABL offer a car (and usually housing) makes the 'professional' 36ers look very poor.

10 of CJ's 18 points may have been free throws but no one else in the team can shoot them under presssure! He must have been at 90% from the free throw line. Crosswell (and an ugly air ball) and cadee have missed crucial free throws in games where it has proved to be costly.

Id hate to see Cadee and Weigh's stats if they just got 12 minutes a game.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
15:03 31 Dec 12

Reply #395131

re: Signing a new import over the christmas break

It's not just the sixers most NBL teams don't provide vehicles. Especially not to a 9th or 10th man.

Lets remember that's what he was. Just because the word import was used doesn't mean he was a starter or our mega star.

Based on your theory give T Daly a car


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paul
Two years ago
15:20 31 Dec 12

Reply #395136

re: Signing a new import over the christmas break

When I saw Massingale on-court I thought he was well off the pace. He showed his smarts making some nice cuts against Perth's zone, but he was meant to be a shooter and he couldnt make shots. That's why he is gone.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
17:33 31 Dec 12

Reply #395144

re: Signing a new import over the christmas break

Johnson's shooting percentage has been terrible in some games and he would be on 4 times what CJ was!

CJ made important free throws that gave them wins against the Kings and Wildcats. Thats 2 wins just there. They have also lost the last 3 without him! Coincidence?

If I was an import (starter or benchie) Id expect a car to be provided whether its a crapbox or not.

AND if you are going to sack your import you had better replace them within a week!!!! They would have had it worked out 2 weeks beforehand that CJ would probably get released so thats 6 weeks to organise it.

Wildcats have Knight go down (cannot plan that) and they get a stud import in a week later.


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Anonymous
Last year
09:31 1 Jan 13

Reply #395259

re: Signing a new import over the christmas break

Only wankers would sign someone who can not play think about it


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Marcus Camby
Last year
12:34 1 Jan 13

Reply #395281

re: Signing a new import over the christmas break

6'ers are 5-3 when CJ plays > 1 second and 0 - 5 when CJ plays < 1 second.

OMG...that must be the key.

Get him back.


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Spinner
Last year
15:50 2 Jan 13

Reply #395578

re: Signing a new import over the christmas break

Has it been confirmed whether Scott is playing this weekend yet?


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Anonymous
Last year
22:47 2 Jan 13

Reply #395630

re: Signing a new import over the christmas break

36ers record would be much better if CJ got Cadee's minutes.


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Anonymous
Last year
09:28 3 Jan 13

Reply #395666

re: Signing a new import over the christmas break

Thanks for that comment CJ


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