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Christopherson after two games

Would seem that import is struggling with game structure LIke hear Marty assessment.think lad been thrown in deep end.like to see him get confidence but seems system not in place.

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Speed44
Last year
22:32 5 Jan 13

Reply #396506

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Is FIBA Livestats correct? SC did not attempt one shot in thirteen and a half minutes? As a shooter?


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Isaac
Last year
22:43 5 Jan 13

Reply #396511

re: Christopherson after two games

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Flip
Last year
22:49 5 Jan 13

Reply #396514

re: Christopherson after two games

Just watch the Kings Vs Sixers game. Bit harsh on the young guy, To come in and be a shooter. When we don't have an offence. I think he was thinking there was a structure, until Gibson told him. Nah man we just run around and act like there is. unfortunately he's another guard, needed him to be a 3. Maybe he might get some shots in his driveway.


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Smith
Last year
22:52 5 Jan 13

Reply #396517

re: Christopherson after two games

I wish hes visa took another week to clear, not a good way to start.


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Mutley
Last year
22:53 5 Jan 13

Reply #396518

re: Christopherson after two games

I am impressed by the way the club managed to get his name on his jersey in time for his first game. Normally that takes much longer.

There, I found a positive.


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Anonymous
Last year
22:55 5 Jan 13

Reply #396520

re: Christopherson after two games

lol they let massingale go because they wanted someone to do more off dribble and then they go and get this guy...


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Speed44
Last year
22:57 5 Jan 13

Reply #396522

re: Christopherson after two games

In 13 minutes, they can't run one play for him to get a good look? Seriously, WTF is going on here?


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Anonymous
Last year
23:02 5 Jan 13

Reply #396526

re: Christopherson after two games



We should not blame him personally it was the Judges offer " Life or import spot in Adelaide"




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Guns
Last year
23:11 5 Jan 13

Reply #396529

re: Christopherson after two games

Well may I say great work Marty you f.....g hack.

Why he sacked CJ is just the definition of stupidity. Good to see Marty go now


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skud
Last year
23:16 5 Jan 13

Reply #396530

re: Christopherson after two games

This is just another import who could have had a good future in the league but will be destroyed by Clarkes lack of ability.

2 weeks training with the team and no plays for him, we put him on with 2 pg's one who cant shoot so he is double teamed.

I feel sorry for him, his confidence will be killed like CJ's was all because Clarke doesn't know how to use players..and signed the wrong player for the team.
After Creek was injured we should have never have signed a 6ft1 SG


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Anonymous
Last year
00:22 6 Jan 13

Reply #396542

re: Christopherson after two games

In just 2.5 seasons.

Craig Winder
Troy DeVries
Eddie Shannon
Ron Howard
John Williamson
Chris Warren
Diamon Simpson
CJ Massingale
Scott Christopherson


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JA
Last year
00:34 6 Jan 13

Reply #396544

re: Christopherson after two games

If rumours of Dorsey, Farley, Williams wanting the spot and willing to come for minimum, i think we should take one of them up on the offer, i know Williams and Farley are old but i bet all 3 would be better than Scott, no disrespect he has been brought into a bad situation and not used correctly, but would love to see a new coach and one of these imports or SC used correctly in the next game


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Anonymous
Last year
01:40 6 Jan 13

Reply #396550

re: Christopherson after two games

Hopefully Scotty can get going for you guys, he is a good shooter, and he did do some great things at Iowa State last year. I don't know if its his lack of confidence in himself, his team mates lack of confidence in him as in they just haven't had enough time to build some sort of chemistry, or the coach just not using him correctly. What ever it may be lets hope they can get it figured out and the Adelaide 36eres start winning.


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HoldenV8
Last year
02:40 6 Jan 13

Reply #396555

re: Christopherson after two games

I don't think Christopherson is as bad as his first two games. Remember he's only had a couple of weeks to get used to how this team plays. Some players still haven't got it and they've been here for the entire season or longer, so I think I can forgive the new guy at this stage.

Once he gets his shooting confidence up (remember CJ also had his woes early on), and hopefully a coach who actually can run plays to get him open shots that he can hit, his confidence will lift (Clarke doesn't even run plays for Stephen Weigh who is supposed to be our best outside shot, so why should we expect plays for Christopherson?). He doesn't seem the creative type, more the 'get me open shots' type on offense, which means he needs plays run for just that.

Other than that, yes his first two games have been disappointing. But then so have the teams past eight games....

I kinda feel sorry for the bloke. He's come into the team on a losing streak and finds his new coach, the guy who recruited him, fighting for his job. Factor in things like his Visa problems and trying to learn Clarke's complicated system and it can't be easy.


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Isaac
Last year
06:10 6 Jan 13

Reply #396560

re: Christopherson after two games

This guy is really not on a lot of money. Homicide was on $200k+ at one point in the NBL. I don't know why people think he'd be willing to play now. Or why we should get him when no other NBL team seems keen to tough him any more. He has a gig in Lebanon going by Asia Basket.


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Mystro
Last year
06:23 6 Jan 13

Reply #396562

re: Christopherson after two games

I'd rather have Ron Dorsey than Homicide if either were prepared to play for league minimum.
Dorsey is athletic and can shoot the 3ball and as the Breakers found out in the playoffs the season before last, he can handle the clutch. That Tigers team was an absolute train wreck so I would tend to judge him more on his season at Cairns in a positive team environment than the season at the Melbourne and their dysfunctional situation.
It is a mute point as they went with SC.


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sixtiesrockstar
Last year
07:26 6 Jan 13

Reply #396564

re: Christopherson after two games

@Mystro

I guess the sixers would be such a positive team environment for Dorsey after 8 straight losses. hmmm no train wrecks here.
You get the import you pay for.


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Mystro
Last year
08:07 6 Jan 13

Reply #396566

re: Christopherson after two games

No train wrecks at Adelaide, just a team that can't get over the line in tight situations. Who is the clutch go to guy? Who puts his hand up? Who's the veteran that makes the young guys think "we got this, we just need a stop and then a score"?


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natwhereyouat
Last year
08:23 6 Jan 13

Reply #396567

re: Christopherson after two games

Homicide's agent sent an email to a few teams saying he is willing to by for "SEABL" money. He's playing in Leb at the moment but doesn't like the lifestyle and wants to come back to Australia. As far as I know the 36ers have turned him down a number of times prior to this season.

Dorsey was keen, but in recent weeks (after offering his services to Adelaide) has signed a contract to play in Poland. Despite not having a great start to the season he's really enjoying it. So Dorsey is 100% out now.

But give Christopherson a couple more games.

I think it's interesting that Clarke said they wanted someone that could create their own shot, which is the main reason why they released CJ, yet in the press conference last night when asked what Scott's role on the team was, to hit shots when he's open etc. Pretty much the same role CJ had.


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natwhereyouat
Last year
08:35 6 Jan 13

Reply #396568

re: Christopherson after two games

Another interesting import that was rejected, Cedric Jackons former college team mate Ryan Williams.

Great defender. Players the 3. Solid outside shooter. Great at creating his own shot. And as you can see below.. inSANE dunker!

Close to signing with a NBL team during the 2010-11 season, but they could not afford to cut the import they had. Last season he already had a contract.

Here's some links
here

here


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anon
Last year
08:38 6 Jan 13

Reply #396569

re: Christopherson after two games

Just add SC to the list of players who were not good enough in Adelaide. Only problem is most are good enough everywhere else.


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Anonymous
Last year
09:19 6 Jan 13

Reply #396573

re: Christopherson after two games

"remember CJ also had his woes early on"

He had his woes the whole time. Couldnt hit a shot.


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Anonymous
Last year
09:28 6 Jan 13

Reply #396575

re: Christopherson after two games

Doesn't help that the coach tells you to sit in a corner, not to drive and create because we have " slashers" , stupid coaches


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Anonymous
Last year
10:14 6 Jan 13

Reply #396584

re: Christopherson after two games

feel sorry for new import but only a little sorry if he was smart he would have checked out the 36ers when the offer came in an seen that this is the wrong situation for him he will end up getting 5 to 10 mins a game and people will rubbish him


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KingJames
Last year
10:26 6 Jan 13

Reply #396589

re: Christopherson after two games

""remember CJ also had his woes early on"

He had his woes the whole time. Couldnt hit a shot."

CJ couldn't hit a shot yet shot 41% from the field and 93% from the free throw line? That would have him as the best shooter playing the guard positions (infront of Gibson, Cadee, Crosswell, Christopherson, Daly) in the team unless you include Creek as a guard in which case CJ's shooting percentage would be 2nd best. Regardless, of how he shot the 3 he shot from the field at 41% which includes his 3 point shots.


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eli1
Last year
11:41 6 Jan 13

Reply #396615

re: Christopherson after two games

I dunno about the Kings game but on numerous time against Crocs, SC was open but the heroes of the team had to go for the most impossible of shots which the Breakers could nail. So a little harsh after 2 games.
The 2 in the third quarter were rushed with 4 seconds and then less than 1 second.

if a black import gets blood tests done on him (Mike Chapell), then this kid gets a fair dinkum chance. All hailed him the savior as we did when Gibbo came into the fore. Not gonna happen. The titanic hit the iceberg already, its a matter of time. And down we go by the head with Clarke and Radford steering the ship


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Marcus Camby
Last year
12:03 6 Jan 13

Reply #396626

re: Christopherson after two games

Guys I think you are being too hardsh on SC.

It is rare that someone just steps in and makes an immediate impact.

In a way it was 'easier' for Dunigan to make an impact as his scoring was not the requirement at the fore.

He could make his impact as an intimidator, rebounder and screener.

SC comes in as a shooter / scorer...and is able to make an impact when he is open, shame he doesn't have a few more moves but its early days.

Remember some Wildcats supporters were calling for Lisch to be fired in early 2010 season.


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Anonymous
Last year
12:51 6 Jan 13

Reply #396639

re: Christopherson after two games

At the end of the season, like someone else who shares the same pronunciation of his surname, I hope he enjoys the highway, man!


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JA
Last year
12:53 6 Jan 13

Reply #396640

re: Christopherson after two games

Yea im prepared to give SC a shot, my initial point was if Dorsey had offered to take the job at what we could have afforded as Nat suggests we should have signed him straight away, as he is proven at NBL level and fills our need of good shooter, can score in the clutch, also a good athlete and defender so helps fill the void Creek leaves aswell.

I have nothing against SC, but id like to know why the coaches chose him over Dorsey who you could be pretty certain he would be able to come in and get you 10 pts, 5 rebounds and play some solid defense straight away, which SC hasnt proven to be able to.

A Gibson and Dorsey backcourt would be far better than what we have now imo, Dorsey isnt the greatest import ever, but for guys who are willing to take the money we have on offer surely he is the best and most proven at NBL level and is not overly old,he is around 29 from memory.

If you are not going to take the NBL proven guy ala Dorsey, you need to be able to justify why the other guy is better imo, especially if both would be willing to play for the same money.


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CJ Massingale
Last year
13:14 6 Jan 13

Reply #396647

re: Christopherson after two games

LOL!


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Anonymous
Last year
13:16 6 Jan 13

Reply #396648

re: Christopherson after two games

With the right plays, could be useful. Expectation shouldn't be overly high, given our Australian talent and cap space.


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JA
Last year
13:29 6 Jan 13

Reply #396652

re: Christopherson after two games

Thats the thing though, apart from gibson our Aussie backcourt is weak imo, Cadee has potential but isnt there yet, we needed an import who could start with Gibson than need to use him in a way that suits his style to make him effective.

I almost guarantee if we had started either SC or CJ with Gibson, played them 25 mins a game, run some plays for them, just copy kings for Madgen if coaches cant create any, they would have been more effective than the Cadee/Gibson backcourt and we would have won a few more games.

Our young Aussie talent is good but a Cadee/Gibson backcourt is not going to be a playoff/championship team right now imo, and not playing the import enough or in the right way has made this issue worse imo. I can definatly see why Joey bought in Deleon to play with Gibson last year and used Cadee as a back up,Cadee may not have liked it but thats where Cadee is at right now and how he should be used imo.


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Guns
Last year
15:08 6 Jan 13

Reply #396662

re: Christopherson after two games

Still cant get over CJ getting sacked. Clarke is a moron for doing that.


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Marcus Camby
Last year
15:13 6 Jan 13

Reply #396663

re: Christopherson after two games

@Guns..

The team has moved on.

Please find it in your heart to do the same.


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Anonymous
Last year
15:26 6 Jan 13

Reply #396665

re: Christopherson after two games

Nope Marcus, Clarke is still a moron.


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Anonalso
Last year
15:47 6 Jan 13

Reply #396672

re: Christopherson after two games

Clarke sucks at selection of imports. This is clear!


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Isaac
Last year
15:48 6 Jan 13

Reply #396674

re: Christopherson after two games

JA, I think you're right. Happy to get Cadee in Adelaide, but I think Cadee/Gibson is a can-get-away-with-it backcourt rather than championship backcourt.

Could've had Hurdle on a budget, I imagine. I heard that the Hawks considered Christopherson actually?


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JA
Last year
16:15 6 Jan 13

Reply #396691

re: Christopherson after two games

yea, imagine how good a Gibson/Hurdle back court with Cadee still playing around 20 mins off the bench would be, a big improvement imo.


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Marcus Camby
Last year
16:19 6 Jan 13

Reply #396692

re: Christopherson after two games

@Anonalso...

Thats a bit Harsh.

What about Simpson?


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Anonymous
Last year
16:25 6 Jan 13

Reply #396694

re: Christopherson after two games

It's a pretty tough gig being an import for the Sixers at the moment, they have so much pressure to perform and they are the easiest target for those looking to distribute blame for an under performing team, but for me the biggest issue is just the system they are being made to run.

All the players are not being utilised within the current system, especially the imports. Look at a team like the Hawks for example. Geordie seems to develop his offensive system based upon the strengths of his team. Clarke seems to emphasise the system over the players i.e. the system will get the results if players get to the spots they have to.

I love the way Geordie coaches his team. They make an effort to get Oscar three balls from the wings, Sav and Davidson's mid range games are utilised, Hurdle and Martin are encouraged to run the breaks in transition and get to corners, Deleon is given isolation plays and Gruber is their glue guy that gets second chance points. He coaches to the team he has and they perform close to their maximum potential.

Isaac you said the Sixers could have had Hurdle but I'm not really sure how much difference that would make in the Sixers system. I'm sure if SC was playing at the Hawks he would be running the break with confidence and have a series of plays run for him (i.e. pop outs on pick and rolls, swinging it in reverse on the perimeter, kick outs from Davidson) to ensure he got some good looks from the three to utilise his strength. It wouldn't surprise me if he averaged 10-12ppg playing his role.

One of the most frustrating things this year about the Sixers has been their inability to play to their individual strengths. Weigh, Gibson, and the imports are great three ball shooters when given open looks, but they never seem to get them. Schenscher is hard to contain down-low, but rarely gets the ball down low early and when he does he's usually triple teamed. Cadee, Creek and even DJ (compared to most 5's in the league) are great on the fast break, but we never see them in the open court. Petrie and DJ are great from mid range, but too often they find themselves out on the perimeter.

This team really could be good if their individual talents were utilised. I don't necessarily think the import should bare all the heat. Maybe the system should.


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JA
Last year
16:43 6 Jan 13

Reply #396700

re: Christopherson after two games

Agreed, that is the exact reason we need the coaching change #694


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Anonymous
Last year
17:10 6 Jan 13

Reply #396710

re: Christopherson after two games

Its a tough gig being an import in any team when the import is not up to the standard.

Another weak selection, someone definitely got the wrong intel on this guy. Not his fault, but not what the 36ers need, not that Clarke has been able to work out how to utilise any of his key players over nearly 3 years anyways. Still wonder what couldve happened with Craig Winder, he was the one who i felt had the potential but struggled in such a rigid system.


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JA
Last year
17:18 6 Jan 13

Reply #396712

re: Christopherson after two games

exactly, would love to see Winder or even Howard play for someone like McLeod as a SG and given a bit of freedom to play their game, both could have been stars and among the leagues leading scorers imo.


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paul
Last year
17:19 6 Jan 13

Reply #396713

re: Christopherson after two games

Hurdle's 11 points at 38% would probably have 36ers fans calling for his head!


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JA
Last year
17:25 6 Jan 13

Reply #396718

re: Christopherson after two games

Hurdle is a Good defender and good athlete and those numbers are better than Cadee or either import we have had, and he would have likely helped us win a couple of these games, so knowing its a budget import, i think most fans would be happy with Hurdle, id try and sign him for next season and pair him with Gibson if i was the 36ers, i reckon he is a decent import who could get even better


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Master Chief
Last year
17:36 6 Jan 13

Reply #396721

re: Christopherson after two games

Yeah, agree. It is frustrating the way imports have been used under current coaching staff. All seemed capable, when used properly. I think most would thrive under betting systems and coaching.


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paul
Last year
17:39 6 Jan 13

Reply #396723

re: Christopherson after two games

I still think Adelaide fans would be calling for his head, especially as he isnt the closer the 36ers so desperately need. Many were calling for Devries to be sacked when he was averaging similar scoring numbers but with a better all-around game, mostly because he made late-game mistakes like Hurdle did on Saturday.


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FM
Last year
17:41 6 Jan 13

Reply #396725

re: Christopherson after two games

Geordie plays the same offences every week. They only change the way they go about running it each week. If they know someone goes under screens they score off the pick. If they over play on the show they use roll.
Big supporter of half court sets vs motion offences
A lot less complex when the layers are tired and the players are on automatic pilot


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Master Chief
Last year
17:42 6 Jan 13

Reply #396726

re: Christopherson after two games

True about dorsey?

Would of been perfect fit IMO. Especially when Creek went down.


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JA
Last year
17:45 6 Jan 13

Reply #396727

re: Christopherson after two games

agreed re Dorsey, if he was truely available he would have been ideal imo.


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Anonymous
Last year
17:45 6 Jan 13

Reply #396728

re: Christopherson after two games

Well aside from SC the only import shooting a worse % from the field is Hurdle's teammate Deleon.

36ers fans would be justified in calling for his head.


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paul
Last year
17:47 6 Jan 13

Reply #396731

re: Christopherson after two games

Thank you!!


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Master Chief
Last year
18:17 6 Jan 13

Reply #396735

re: Christopherson after two games

Is that tacking the piss? After two games?


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Pantherpower
Last year
10:30 9 Jan 13

Reply #397574

re: Christopherson after two games

Does anyone no much about the guy who trained with them for a week back in August 6'7 2/3 American that was playing SEABL for Mildura and Albury, and why he was not looked at during this last period of looking for a cheap import.Reports from players that had played against him was he was very good.


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36reasons.net
Last year
14:57 9 Jan 13

Reply #397669

re: Christopherson after two games

I don't think he'll cut it but I'd like to see him played extended minutes and given 12-15 shots in a game. He took guys off the dribble on friday but once he got to the key kicked it back out everytime. Clearly happier standing on the 3pt line.

I crucnched some of his numbers for the weekend on my blog, makes for interesting reading. I'd like to see him play extended minutes at the 2 with Cadee or Gibbo running the point and Weigh at the SF position ( ie not as part of a three guard combo)

http://www.36reasons.net/2013/01/scapegoat-20-look-at-christophersons.html


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Aussiebballer
Last year
15:08 9 Jan 13

Reply #397674

re: Christopherson after two games

If they are serious about TRYING for finals then they need to mkae some changes.
How many loses in a row before you change things up???

Move Gibson to starting PG, add Christopherson to the starting lineup and see what he can do.
Run some plays to get him open and tell him to shoot or attack the ring.
He has seemed hesitant so far and the team needs him to score.


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Proud
Last year
02:49 7 Feb 13

Reply #403019

re: Christopherson after two games

I think we should get off Scotty's back, his coach is a Boomers assistant and knows how to coach juniors... But wait he has done absolutely nothing for this young bloke and Christophersson wouldn't be worth a hamburger at Perth Arena!

... But he is worth $12 and much much more, IF he was in the Wildcats lineup with a system that encourages taking the open shot and say he replaced Bartlett and got his shot attempts then Scotty wouldn't be doing worse.

Because of the sh!t this young fella has copped in the time he's been here, I'm a fan and I hope he sticks around and gets to prove himself as deadly shooters in this league are far too few and I'm sure people would pay to see him if he got his confidence up (and got used to the physicality)


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Proud
Last year
03:52 7 Feb 13

Reply #403024

re: Christopherson after two games

Oh and one last thing, anyone ever consider Gibson coming off the bench, imagine how hard he would come at you when he first arrived on court!


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