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Jack Toft
Last year

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R16: Sixers @ Tigers

Last time they met Johhny Flynn "caught fire" and embarrassed the Sixers with a welcome to the NBL.

Since that time the Sixers have seen light at the end of the tunnel, only for it to be a freight train coming the other way, usually a Townsville train.

A much needed win for the Sixers was achieved taking the pressure off the team, but this is a game that they must win if they still have any hope of sneaking into the top 4. The Sixers are bottom at the moment, but are on 6 wins with 3 other teams, one being Mebourne.

There's a few things going for the Sixers in this game and with Luke back, there's a real chance that the Sixers will get the win. BUT, for that to happen, some pretty simple things need to happen IMO.

1. Johhny Flynn. A fire extinguisher is needed. Tom Daly would be perfect.
2. Get to the basket. Stop fluffing around like a chick in a fashion shop. Be aggressive in the key and slam that rock in the bucket.
3. Defence. The zone D seems to be working, so maybe that is the best D structure for this team.
4. Timeouts. For crying out aloud! If the team hasn't scored for 4 minutes of play and is looking goofy, call a time out to get the ship back on track.
5. 4 Quarters. The Sixers go into the half time break IN FRONT in a majority of games, yet the 3rd Quarter is the "choke quarter" and the 4th Quarter they run out of steam at times. What strategy has been effected to ensure this doesn't happen this game?

Bottom line. Sixers should win

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Quickie
Last year
12:33 26 Jan 13

Reply #400914

re: R16: Sixers @ Tigers

A loss tomorrow will end any chance of making the playoffs!!!


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paul
Last year
12:48 26 Jan 13

Reply #400917

re: R16: Sixers @ Tigers

Actually last time they met it was Chris Goulding who caught fire and blew them out. Sixers didnt show up that night.


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FYI
Last year
12:56 26 Jan 13

Reply #400918

re: R16: Sixers @ Tigers

Because of the mini table that may well happen at season end, the 36ers need every win possible over Tigers and Taipans to offset the 0-4 Crocs series.

These games are almost more important than games v Perth and Breakers because the head to head is thrown out if there is a 3 way tie in the last round.

Of course need to win as many as possible just highlighting the mini series that will most likely occur at this stage.


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Beekayz
Last year
15:08 26 Jan 13

Reply #400934

re: R16: Sixers @ Tigers

The only thing I care about is Jonny Flynn not getting injured so I can see him play in Adelaide on Feb 10 (first NBL game I've been remotely interested in attending for years).


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BigAds
Last year
18:10 26 Jan 13

Reply #400964

re: R16: Sixers @ Tigers

Melbourne's loss to Cairns will see the Sixers facing a very aggressive Tigers outfit.


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Marcus Camby
Last year
18:27 26 Jan 13

Reply #400967

re: R16: Sixers @ Tigers

This game is Flynn Vs Goulding Vs The Sixers to see who can score the most.


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Jack Toft
Last year
18:29 26 Jan 13

Reply #400969

re: R16: Sixers @ Tigers

I just hope the Sixers are more aggressive around the key in offence and adopt the Sturt approach to defence


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PeterJohn
Last year
20:15 26 Jan 13

Reply #400984

re: R16: Sixers @ Tigers

Yes Jack - Flynn carved the 36ers up in that game. He took 17 shots and only hit 4 of them but he threw 7 assists. Since then, he's got a better shooting eye and is hitting his shots. It's also no coincidence that Goulding has emerged since Flynn arrived. At the same time, Scott has been less prominent as a scorer, but Melbourne has been better balanced as a result.

I just hope the 36ers are well ahead with 3 minutes left, because Melbourne has at least 2 guys who can be the go-to guys at the death and Adelaide has no-one who's been able to take over tight games at the end. Go Sixers!


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Anonymous
Last year
20:30 26 Jan 13

Reply #400987

re: R16: Sixers @ Tigers

get on the half time/ full time bet.

Adelaide/melbourne $5.75 money for jam.

even the draw/melbourne $31


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paul
Last year
21:27 26 Jan 13

Reply #400993

re: R16: Sixers @ Tigers

Goulding came into that last game against Adelaide on a bit of a roll after three good scoring games and exploded against some average 36er defence. He is coming in off some decent form again so Adelaide have to make a focus of pressuring him to put it on the floor and drive into traffic.

Melbourne arent great at using their bigs so if you goad their guards into rushed shots youre well on the way. Not sure Adelaide's defence is up to it though.


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Anonymous
Last year
11:40 27 Jan 13

Reply #401026

re: R16: Sixers @ Tigers

Are you guys all still drunk from straya day? We are going to lose this one for sure, Flynn/ Goulding is better than our combo of Gibson/Crosswell/Daly.

They have been playing well lately and the game is in melbourne, another loss here.


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Anonymous
Last year
13:37 27 Jan 13

Reply #401035

re: R16: Sixers @ Tigers

Id say the 36ers on talent but we are coached by Marty Clarke and Mark Radford. So firmly with the Tigers.


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skud
Last year
14:15 27 Jan 13

Reply #401038

re: R16: Sixers @ Tigers

Gaze is saying exactly what's wrong with DJ..why are you shooting three's constantly.

I want Ballinger back :(


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Anonymous
Last year
14:21 27 Jan 13

Reply #401039

re: R16: Sixers @ Tigers

Glad to see someone agree with me anonymous, no way we gonna win on the road with clarke.


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Uncle Phil
Last year
14:25 27 Jan 13

Reply #401040

re: R16: Sixers @ Tigers

This has to be the most frustrating sixers team ever to watch from both a coaching and playing perspective.

Defense was horrible that first half, in such an important game, Clarke should be getting in his guys faces everytime they miss an assignment. Flynn torched us that first half so you would think putting Gibson - our best defender on him would be a logical solution but Clarke persists with Cadee, is the word adjustments not in this coaches category?

Offensively we don't really look like scoring most times down the floor, Weigh looks disinterested, Christopherson doesn't even look like a threat when he is on the floor - he can't get his shot off quick enough and is too undersized when he drives. DJ should be benched everytime he shoots a three and Crosswell is woeful. Since this is such a critical game, Marty needs to play Gibson the whole second half, sit Croswell on the pine and make the team accountable on D.

Hoping for a better second half but doubtful it will happen.


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KracKa BballiN'
Last year
14:26 27 Jan 13

Reply #401042

re: R16: Sixers @ Tigers

Wow, luke got ripped off...

Melb cant stay this hot all game...can they?


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Anonymous
Last year
14:37 27 Jan 13

Reply #401046

re: R16: Sixers @ Tigers

Yeah Cadee cannot defend, just lucky he is on fire shoooting wise or we would really be in the poop.

Gibbo has to shoulder too much of a burden on the 1.


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Anonymous
Last year
14:43 27 Jan 13

Reply #401048

re: R16: Sixers @ Tigers

6ers havent turned up today. If that doesnt fall on the coaching staff to a degree dont know what does. Season on the line and they are completely lost and have identity about them whatsoever!


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x
Last year
14:45 27 Jan 13

Reply #401049

re: R16: Sixers @ Tigers

These refs are having a laugh right? Jesus.

I want Balls back.


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Anonymous
Last year
14:49 27 Jan 13

Reply #401052

re: R16: Sixers @ Tigers

36ers are woeful, but definitely dont want Ballinger back. Maybe people are having a nostalgic day, but history shows Ballinger was not a winner.


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Anonymous
Last year
14:50 27 Jan 13

Reply #401053

re: R16: Sixers @ Tigers

Yep, team has got no backbone. Coach has even less of a backbone.


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skud
Last year
14:50 27 Jan 13

Reply #401054

re: R16: Sixers @ Tigers

Flynn is tearing us a new one. Wonder what a real coach would do with this game, probably win it!


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Anonymous
Last year
15:09 27 Jan 13

Reply #401057

re: R16: Sixers @ Tigers

Flynn is on a whole new level. That's the pointguard you want, quick crossovers, deadly jumpshot and awesome court vision. He will contribute 70% of melbournes points.

How funny is it seeing Ballinger block DJ. Good on him he must be stoked.


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Kobe24
Last year
15:14 27 Jan 13

Reply #401058

re: R16: Sixers @ Tigers

Amazing to see how up beat and intense the Melbourne players look compared to the 6ers. Tigers guys are genuinely having some fun and playing loose and for each other.


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Guns
Last year
15:14 27 Jan 13

Reply #401059

re: R16: Sixers @ Tigers

Someone remind me again why Clarke replaced Massingale with Cristopherson? Puck me that was a bad decision.


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JOaRiDrAN
Last year
15:16 27 Jan 13

Reply #401060

re: R16: Sixers @ Tigers

Just saw Marty Clarke hi five the whole team as they came off court for the time out after 5 turnovers and a missed field goal in 4 minutes. That has AIS written all over it. Imagine Popovich or someone like Gordgian in that position? There is no accountability at all with this squad.

Praise mediocre performances, get mediocre performances!


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Mutley
Last year
15:17 27 Jan 13

Reply #401061

re: R16: Sixers @ Tigers

Christopherson wouldn't even be a dominant player in most social leagues in Adelaide.


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Anonymous
Last year
15:17 27 Jan 13

Reply #401062

re: R16: Sixers @ Tigers

Can't believe what I'm watching on t v


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bk
Last year
15:17 27 Jan 13

Reply #401063

re: R16: Sixers @ Tigers

'beep beep beep beep' that's me censoring myself. I don't think i can take this much longer without going insane. This is the most frustrating season i have ever witnessed.


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Anonymous
Last year
15:17 27 Jan 13

Reply #401064

re: R16: Sixers @ Tigers

why didnt clarke take schench off and give pero a run?


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Anonymous
Last year
15:23 27 Jan 13

Reply #401065

re: R16: Sixers @ Tigers

WOW christo wouldnt even make the cut for south's ABL reserves team.


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Anonymous
Last year
15:25 27 Jan 13

Reply #401067

re: R16: Sixers @ Tigers

Wow this import is a JOKE.... Clarke and Radford are a disgrace.


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Anonymous
Last year
15:30 27 Jan 13

Reply #401068

re: R16: Sixers @ Tigers

Yup. Clarke is so lucky that we got that win over sydney, saved his butt.


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The_Champ33
Last year
15:31 27 Jan 13

Reply #401069

re: R16: Sixers @ Tigers

Such a boring game to watch and frustrating season entirely. Not happy.

We have the damn roster, but the coaches are crap and have no idea how to use this roster.

Chris Alphabet is hopeless.

Sacking CJ continues to prove over and over that it is a huge mistake.


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Uncle Phil
Last year
15:32 27 Jan 13

Reply #401070

re: R16: Sixers @ Tigers

Well that has to be the season done you would think, the only thing that made todays game watchable was Cadee's play. The focus has to shift to giving the young guys as much of an opportunity as possible in the remaining games. Christopherson should be cut with all of his and Crosswell's minutes going to Cadee and Daly.

As far as coaching goes, this season has to cement Marty as the worst coach in the history of the NBL. Has there ever been a team with this much talent compared to the other teams in the league competing for the wooden spoon? From the inability to utilize our talented bigs to the debacle of the Imports this year, it is a pretty disgraceful performance by Clarke. To give some hope for the fans, the club has to come out now and say Clarke's contract will not be renewed at the end of the year and start searching for replacements now - otherwise interest in the team will continue to fall away.


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Anonymous
Last year
15:38 27 Jan 13

Reply #401072

re: R16: Sixers @ Tigers

waiting Marcus Camby any moment now....:)


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Mutley
Last year
15:41 27 Jan 13

Reply #401073

re: R16: Sixers @ Tigers

Kudos to Cadee for a great game today. It is amazing how much better he shoots on the road.


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nathan
Last year
15:42 27 Jan 13

Reply #401074

re: R16: Sixers @ Tigers

i seriously hope the team folds! no accountability form the top down. The club is willing to pay top dollar and we are last. Such a shit coach, the players are mentally weak and 3 years of being down the bottom is enough.


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Quickie
Last year
15:43 27 Jan 13

Reply #401076

re: R16: Sixers @ Tigers

Great team ,can't win games,disgraceful ,we will not make finals and finish bottom alongside cairns.
Clarke and Redford to be shown the door,will be changes and hope new tough coach can get sixers back to where they belong.
If Clarke is retained then I will not be renewing my season ticket.


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Kobe24
Last year
15:44 27 Jan 13

Reply #401077

re: R16: Sixers @ Tigers

Dumb post nathan. The team needs new direction, not fold you dingbat!


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JOaRiDrAN
Last year
15:47 27 Jan 13

Reply #401079

re: R16: Sixers @ Tigers

Ever notice Weigh looks like the gay kid off of Neighbours


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Pure Silk
Last year
15:50 27 Jan 13

Reply #401081

re: R16: Sixers @ Tigers

You are a tool Nathan and people like you i hope arent a 36ers fan. Gi and watch another sport !


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Isaac
Last year
15:54 27 Jan 13

Reply #401082

re: R16: Sixers @ Tigers

Good games from Cadee and Petrie. Johnson had some moments and also some poor lapses. Rest was pretty crappy and Christopherson is wasting time and space from here on - just giving us absolutely nothing but moving the ball around. Put him on the end of the bench and keep playing Daly instead.

We have a lot of road games from here. Can't see the final record being pretty.


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Vespa
Last year
16:00 27 Jan 13

Reply #401083

re: R16: Sixers @ Tigers

I'm just going to come out and say it.
Marcus Camby, how was the game lost today?
And how was it not Marty Clarkes problem?

We are all interested to hear your side of the story.


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Anonymous
Last year
16:05 27 Jan 13

Reply #401086

re: R16: Sixers @ Tigers

Mark Radford oops I mean Marcus Camby won't be able to post yet as the team would still be winding down after another loss. Should be soon tho.


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Master Chief
Last year
16:08 27 Jan 13

Reply #401089

re: R16: Sixers @ Tigers

Another poor performance, with the exception of few good individual games.

Players would be better off ignoring coaching direction now. Coaching is just rubbish.

Seriously, this pattern is all to familiar. I think our record could get ugly, think we actually might finish bottom again.

Coaches should be gone, of course. System is just terrible.

I know Christo doesn't exactly look up to it, but would like to see him get some looks at least. Could play the NG role ok. Wouldn't be easy coming into Clarke's system.

I think crowds are going to take a hit now finals are probably over, unfortunatley.


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Pure Silk
Last year
16:09 27 Jan 13

Reply #401090

re: R16: Sixers @ Tigers

Players and coaches need to be replaced and only those who have the passuonto turn this around should remain. Everything to play for and yet we put up that . All the good that we did in the 80s and 90s and built up such a tradition of a winning program with top line players who gave their all and we continyally serve this up. Its frustrating . Where is the grunt , the passion , the willingness to win at all costs. They are playing like "oh well" and that jacka me off and i would like to think i have been very positive this season but enough is enough . Even friends of mine qho know nothing about bball say to me " another loss " and that must change !


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Pure Silk
Last year
16:09 27 Jan 13

Reply #401091

re: R16: Sixers @ Tigers

Apologies for the typos but u get the gist :)


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Green 14
Last year
16:15 27 Jan 13

Reply #401093

re: R16: Sixers @ Tigers

Hope Marty and the coaches paid for admission today. They were certainly spectators. I just don't get how you can sit there and watch turnover after turnover with stupid under 10 shots and do nothing. No anger, frustration, emotion or action. On the upside the club has saved some money on uniforms by not providing Daly with a complete one. A big plus for Christopherson; he landed twice as many rebounds as our 7' centre. He may yet have a future.


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doing it tough
Last year
16:23 27 Jan 13

Reply #401094

re: R16: Sixers @ Tigers

how unfair it seems get to within 3 after 19 down - unlikely win becomes a reality and then turnnover and game gone.Team is just misdsing ingreient aweay from success so frustrating i know which ingredient is needed but cant for my life see why top cats at the arena cant see.recruiting of imports needs to be done by independent qualified person how many more non jonny flynns are we going to get - how hard is it deleon flynn lisch all cut teams up and we have ?????


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Anonymous
Last year
16:27 27 Jan 13

Reply #401095

re: R16: Sixers @ Tigers

36ers bottom of the ladder yet predicted dy most before this season to finish Top 3 possibly even Top 2.

If this the worst coaching performance in NBL history?


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Kobe24
Last year
16:38 27 Jan 13

Reply #401099

re: R16: Sixers @ Tigers

Wow didnt even realize that loss puts us clear last. Sad times for a once proud club. So much hope when Clarke came on board and everyone thought it was a sure thing for success, now its just has proven to be one of the worst NBL contracts offered in NBL history.

And just thought, perhaps Radford is Marcus Camby, interesting Camby doesnt post whilst the games are being played. Def something he would do as sad as that is!


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driver
Last year
16:42 27 Jan 13

Reply #401102

re: R16: Sixers @ Tigers

very interesting theory - sure MC be in touch soon.
cant be any more good guy stuff gutted totally gutted
and get minutes into daly forget SC
DALY or SC Daly please but ??
gets wood burn


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PeterJohn
Last year
17:01 27 Jan 13

Reply #401109

re: R16: Sixers @ Tigers

Cadee and Petrie had good offensive games largely by playing outside the system, it seemed. Only a few organised team plays resulted in points.

I thought Gibson had a shocker - if he hadn't been fed the layup and hit the 3 pointer in the last minute, it would have been clearly his worst game as a 36er. He should have had the defensive assignment on Flynn - he seems to rise to the challenge of playing the opposition's gun guard and it lifts his game overall.

As it was, Cadee was ineffective on Flynn. In fact, Flynn did a better job of "defending" himself with his over dribbling and selfish play in patches throughout and particularly at the end of the game. Would have been great to see him play the whole game in top gear, instead of long periods in second. That may explain why he's playing NBL instead of NBA

Most disappointing thing for me was the way the 36ers played in that first half. So insipid. So little challenging the Tigers offence. So many shots from outside without any rebounders. No wonder our shooting percentage was 31% and Melbourne were 8 rebounds up at half time. The game would have been over then if Tigers had not had so many turnovers.


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Tom
Last year
17:08 27 Jan 13

Reply #401111

re: R16: Sixers @ Tigers

Sixers problem is they don't even attempt to play defence. No energy, hustle. It is a little embarrassing.
Christopherson only a spot up shooter. Who is going to get him the ball? Down on confidence so he is pretty much irrelevant.
Cannot create to save himself.
Johnson is playing OK but he shoots the 3 like he has a licence. He needs to be more selective. Get inside and get to the line more to have an effect on a game.


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Kobe24
Last year
17:10 27 Jan 13

Reply #401112

re: R16: Sixers @ Tigers

Gaze is clearly frustrated with DJ's shot selection. Join the club Andrew.


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sitiveni
Last year
17:21 27 Jan 13

Reply #401113

re: R16: Sixers @ Tigers

I enjoyed this game, really thought Cadee played well for Adelaide. dont know why they dont make him the focus of their offence. Seth Scott is a pretty decent player and that Flynn fella. I just wished it was 12 mins quarters. could have done watching another 8 minutes of play.


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Mick
Last year
17:29 27 Jan 13

Reply #401114

re: R16: Sixers @ Tigers

Why would anyone in their right mind make Jason Cadee the focal point of their offense?

Actually sounds like something Clarke would try...


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Isaac
Last year
17:47 27 Jan 13

Reply #401117

re: R16: Sixers @ Tigers

PeterJohn, not to ignore that patch in the third where they deflected three of our passes in a row and denied us a shot at all! Each time, no more care was taken than the last.


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sitiveni
Last year
18:26 27 Jan 13

Reply #401131

re: R16: Sixers @ Tigers

Mick, obvious nothing clarke has done so far is working. Cadee looks more efficient then any other player. looks like a smart player. i have only seen him play a few games for gold coast and didnt realise how good the kid is.


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Mystro
Last year
18:33 27 Jan 13

Reply #401132

re: R16: Sixers @ Tigers

he isn't that good every week sitiveni.


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Anonymous
Last year
18:45 27 Jan 13

Reply #401136

re: R16: Sixers @ Tigers

Ok if the season is gone just tell Clarke and Radford to sit in the change rooms and let the team coach themselves. Better still you have an ABL coach sitting on the bench so let him call the time outs and subs and have Crosswell be his assistant. We can't go any lower and the fans will see that the dynamic duo are out and it won't cost SOS anything


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skud
Last year
18:55 27 Jan 13

Reply #401139

re: R16: Sixers @ Tigers

Good solution, sack the coach and put Crosswell as a player (bench)/coach. Cant go worse for the rest of the season surely


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Anonymous
Last year
18:59 27 Jan 13

Reply #401143

re: R16: Sixers @ Tigers

Exactly skud.

Can't do much worse than losing 10 of your last 11 games and sitting bottom of the ladder.


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Marcus Camby
Last year
19:00 27 Jan 13

Reply #401144

re: R16: Sixers @ Tigers

@Skud...

The Sixer organisation (from owner to playing personnel) has already made the public statement that they support our Head Coach.

I think it is high time we as fans do the same.


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Anonymous
Last year
19:01 27 Jan 13

Reply #401145

re: R16: Sixers @ Tigers

Isn't Pero currently an ABL coach.


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Camel 31
Last year
19:05 27 Jan 13

Reply #401147

re: R16: Sixers @ Tigers

It was early in the game and I got the impression Gibson and Weigh were injured . Later , they did a few things to show that they weren't injured .

It was late in the game , at the last 2 time-outs , I got the impression Petrie didn't understand what Clarke was saying and turned to Gibson to explain it.

The situation has ended sad for Christopherson and Crosswell , judging by their expressions , sitting on the bench , out there , near the end .

So , Melbourne had a nice lead , but went to party time too early , as well as some untidy stuff , inviting the 36ers to come back into the game .



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Marcus Camby
Last year
19:07 27 Jan 13

Reply #401149

re: R16: Sixers @ Tigers

@The_Champ33..

Please don't dredge up the CJ issue again.

Its in the past.

The players have moved on.

The organisation has moved on.

Perhaps its your turn?


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skud
Last year
19:07 27 Jan 13

Reply #401150

re: R16: Sixers @ Tigers

Marcus/Radford the Sixers owners have said they want to sell the club and not spend more money, only reason Clark and yourself are still around. If your naïve enough to think the players support this coach then you didn't watch todays dismal effort.


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Uncle Phil
Last year
19:28 27 Jan 13

Reply #401158

re: R16: Sixers @ Tigers

"If this the worst coaching performance in NBL history?"

I think it has to be, I can't think of a more talented team that has done this badly in the NBL. When you have a talented roster that doesn't perform, it is the most frustrating thing to watch as a fan, And generally is a sign of a very poor coach. It's not as though we don't have proven players either, Gibson and Schenscher and Weigh have all been integral parts of chamsionship winning teams.

I also agree with others that the passion just doesn't seem to be there, if I was Clarke and my players gave up that many offensive rebounds and produced that many poor turnovers in such a critical game, I would have been livid and making guys accountable. There seems to be a passive culture within the team right now which I think is really hurting them, players don't seem mentally prepared to play - and I think this problem has to fall on the coaching staff.


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Anonymous
Last year
19:31 27 Jan 13

Reply #401159

re: R16: Sixers @ Tigers

Skud, I personally dont know many of the 36ers, have you got isnide information that the players dont like clarke?

Would be interesting if that was the case. Kind of get that impression by the players body language.


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Guns
Last year
19:31 27 Jan 13

Reply #401160

re: R16: Sixers @ Tigers

Yeah Adelaide have moved on to a 1-11 record since CJ was sacked. Karma is a bitch


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Anonymous
Last year
19:33 27 Jan 13

Reply #401161

re: R16: Sixers @ Tigers

Skud, I personally dont know many of the 36ers, have you got isnide information that the players dont like clarke?

Would be interesting if that was the case. Kind of get that impression by the players body language.


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skud
Last year
19:42 27 Jan 13

Reply #401165

re: R16: Sixers @ Tigers

I don't have inside information at all. But as someone who spends their time working with pissed off people I can say the entire teams attitudes and effort clearly reflect their feelings right now.

I just hope we don't lose the players because of the managements refusal to act.


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Anonymous
Last year
19:55 27 Jan 13

Reply #401166

re: R16: Sixers @ Tigers

Is the dissent of the players, if at all, aimed at Clarke or Radford


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JOaRiDrAN
Last year
20:22 27 Jan 13

Reply #401173

re: R16: Sixers @ Tigers

I think I'll go watch Spacejam with my 3 yr old, at least my team always wins.


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Loco
Last year
20:30 27 Jan 13

Reply #401174

re: R16: Sixers @ Tigers

This has been a 3 year handbook on how to ruin a ball club - coaching staff and resultant performance is just so depressing.

RIP Season 12/13; you'll be in good company with your 2 immediate predecessors.


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Anonymous
Last year
20:55 27 Jan 13

Reply #401180

re: R16: Sixers @ Tigers

Sixers have not been relevant for 10 years.....can we change our team name from 36ers to Clippers.


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Marcus Camby
Last year
21:11 27 Jan 13

Reply #401191

re: R16: Sixers @ Tigers

@Skud...

I am not Radford.....but thank you all the same for the complement.

The players have outwardly come out in support of the coach, the latest of which was Schensh (speaking for the entire team).

Is it naive to believe when multiple players have done the same?

Of course if you suggest that they are all made under duress I would have no proof to counter.

However, on the balance of probabilities, they support Marty and Mark, and all buy into their vision for the team.


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Marcus Camby
Last year
21:13 27 Jan 13

Reply #401192

re: R16: Sixers @ Tigers

@Guns...

Could that 1-11 also have something to do with :

- Creek's injury.
- The emergence of the Crocs as a threat.
- Cadees' lack of production before this round?


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Anonymous
Last year
21:18 27 Jan 13

Reply #401194

re: R16: Sixers @ Tigers

Schensher doesn't speak for the team.

FWIW the skipper has said that the teams systems are not the problem rather having the right players on court together to execute those systems is, so who is in charge of that bit Marcus?

Clarke may be a revelation in tactics and preparation for games but unfortunately in game he is absolutely shocking


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Marcus Camby
Last year
21:20 27 Jan 13

Reply #401196

re: R16: Sixers @ Tigers

@Loco...

Perhaps if a post-morten is to be done on the 12/13 season, perhaps one should also look at the fan behaviour / support.

- Booing @ home on National TV.
- Weekly sack Marty Threads.
- Threads about which players to keep / sack just after the All-Star break.
- Hoops fans refusing to go to any games until Marty is gone.
- Hoops fans hoping the Sixers will lose so Marty can go.
- Hoops fans hoping the team actually folds.

As the team will no doubt conduct an extensive evaluation at the end of the season, may I suggest the fan base do the same at their behaviour towards certain servants of the club that have 100% support of Daryl Simmons and the entire playing team?


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Anonymous
Last year
21:26 27 Jan 13

Reply #401197

re: R16: Sixers @ Tigers

Watched the game and Adelaides d was pathetic just lucky that cadee and johnson played out of their skins and melbourne did their best to choke it.
Melbourne could be good just their undisciplined and have no structure and brains apart from ballinger and greer


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Marcus Camby
Last year
21:29 27 Jan 13

Reply #401198

re: R16: Sixers @ Tigers

Anon'194

Yes he did, I can't find the article right now ( I have linked it here before), but he clearly said ALL the players support Marty.

I can concede there is some deficiencies in the way Marty executes his substitutions.

It is a journey of learning and improvements will no doubt come with each mistake.

I remains to be seen if the Sixers will want to reap the rewards of 3 years of toil with a 4th.


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Beantown
Last year
21:31 27 Jan 13

Reply #401200

re: R16: Sixers @ Tigers

Nice to see Cadee finally get it going offensively. That's what I was hoping for at the start of the season!

Sixers finally woke up in the 4th quarter and had a decent crack, but it was too little too late. Not the kind of passion you'd expect when they knew a loss would see the Tigers climb over them to get off the bottom!

I missed most of the first half so its interesing to hear that Cadee was started on Flynn. In the 4th, there were a couple of times where Cadee and Gibson were both trying to pick up Flynn. One time Gibbo ended up taking him, the other Cadee did.

I think that speaks volumes that there is that much uncertainty in the 4th about who should pick up the opposition's best player!

Also, during timeouts late in the game, most of the Sixers were staring off into space with glassy eyes. I didn't get the feeling too many of them were dialed into what the coach was saying.

Can't wait for the end of the season and for the Sixers ownership issues to be decided so we can get a new coach and start afresh.


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Vespa
Last year
21:38 27 Jan 13

Reply #401202

re: R16: Sixers @ Tigers

So let me get this right MC.....
If we didnt do any of the things we have done.
We would be winning ?

They are a pro team in a pro league.
The players get paid to play basketball.
They are underperforming. They get plenty of praise
when they play well. They get criticized when they don't.
The fans cheer just as loud as anywhere else at the arena at games.
They only boo when they give up 20 point leads or
lose to a bottom team.

Just like in any part if life. You have to take the good
with the bad. Right now, they suck !

What do u want fans to do? Tell them they are playing good
and how awesome they are when they are playing terrible.

Every coach is and will always be remembered by their win/loss colum.
Facts are, Marty will go down as the worst coach in the history of the 6ers.

You can come up with your reasons why he is losing. A good coach finds a way to win.


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Beantown
Last year
21:41 27 Jan 13

Reply #401203

re: R16: Sixers @ Tigers

Marcus Camby, you keep clinging to the naive belief that the entire organisation supports the coaching staff if you like.

It is just like politics and the NBA. Everyone is right behind their leader until they can safely jump ship without risking their own prospects.

The Sixers will finish in the bottom two for the third time in three years. No coach can survive that.


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BigAds
Last year
21:44 27 Jan 13

Reply #401205

re: R16: Sixers @ Tigers

Melbourne could be a very dangerous team for Perth and NZ if they make the finals but they are their own worst enemies.


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PeterJohn
Last year
21:45 27 Jan 13

Reply #401207

re: R16: Sixers @ Tigers

Marcus Camby - your award from the Con Man's Hall of Fame is in the mail. I've marvelled at how long you've managed to keep this going without 'fessing up. You've done a great job!

BTW, the award has a monetary prize and that cheque's in the mail too.


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Marcus Camby
Last year
21:47 27 Jan 13

Reply #401208

re: R16: Sixers @ Tigers

@Beantown..

Until the coach gets 'pushed', I am going to continue to believe in what the players and Daryl PUBLICLY state.

You may have some theories about why the players may feign allegience to Marty (court time), but Daryl?

Daryl signs his cheques, why would Daryl support Marty if not for the betterment of the club (he is bleeding money for)?

I am behind Daryl on this.


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bitchkarma
Last year
22:01 27 Jan 13

Reply #401212

re: R16: Sixers @ Tigers

nothing is more enjoyable than to see a team play for there coach,the way the tigers play is a breath of fresh air when compared to the selfish way the 6ers play its not a team full of pride its a team full of me's starting with the coaches who by the way should be ashamed of the disgraceful display of non coaching l have ever and l mean ever seen. murcus this is for you don't ever say the team is playing for marty, because its nothing short of horse shit.no one is playing for him and it shows. on a happy note it was a gem to watch balls play thats one guy who played for the club at his worst was still better than the current players in this team,who's laughing now


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Starks
Last year
22:02 27 Jan 13

Reply #401213

re: R16: Sixers @ Tigers

Hey, 36ers management. Enough. Just... enough, OK. Show these coaches the door. Get a caretaker coach. Then let the team play on guts & instinct and show us that they care for the rest of the season. It has to be better than what I saw today.


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EC
Last year
22:04 27 Jan 13

Reply #401214

re: R16: Sixers @ Tigers

If Marty Clarke gets sacked at the end of this season, does that mean that Marcus Camby will also disappear? Once could only hope.


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Master Chief
Last year
22:05 27 Jan 13

Reply #401215

re: R16: Sixers @ Tigers

Yeah, still would support a coaching change. Even if it was Pero, just for the remainder of the season. Obviously won't happen though. But there is still benifits from releasing coaches, even this late.


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Anonymous
Last year
22:32 27 Jan 13

Reply #401219

re: R16: Sixers @ Tigers

bitchkarma = bianca b! such bitterness.


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36reasons.net
Last year
22:42 27 Jan 13

Reply #401225

re: R16: Sixers @ Tigers

In a league where you can't get traded, few players come out and criticise the coach. I do believe the players like Marty as a guy but I'd be confident most of them would like a change to the way they play, rotations etc. We've all worked for guys we like but know someone else might get more out of us or utilise our skills better.

The tv timeouts tell a lot. They show a coach so bogged down in running plays that he overlooks 1-on-1 talks and just talking to the guys demanding effort, focus etc. Radford seems to do most of the 1-on-1 stuff at subs, when players about to go back on etc but it needs to come from Marty. Clarke should be using a lot of this time to motivate and push his players.


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Marcus Camby
Last year
22:53 27 Jan 13

Reply #401227

re: R16: Sixers @ Tigers

@Starks...

Daryl has stated that he will not jeopardise the season by getting ride of Marty.

Let's back our Chairman huh?


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Vespa
Last year
22:57 27 Jan 13

Reply #401229

re: R16: Sixers @ Tigers

Shutup MC !


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FM
Last year
23:02 27 Jan 13

Reply #401231

re: R16: Sixers @ Tigers

Marty is not a servant of the club. When you ask a servant for a drink, they serve you one.

When the fans (club) ask Marty for some wins after two years of letting him 'develop' a team and culture, Marty serves us shite.

He is useless and the players know it. However he has also been at the AIS longer enough and has his finger in all the crappy pies that keep basketball far behind other sports in this country.

If a player speaks out against Marty it is more likely than less likely there would be repercussions...

I am prepared to let the under 10 girls coach from Centrals to take the team for the rest of the season. At least they might show some passion for our club and our state.


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Bucketman
Last year
23:03 27 Jan 13

Reply #401232

re: R16: Sixers @ Tigers

@ Marcus camby

Try politics mate. No one believes the shit you dribble. You would fit right in at Canberra.

Never seen a person so content with losing.... Kinda reminds me of a certain pair of coaches.

My frustration has reached a point where I'm disinterested and disappointed. If as a supporter I'm meant to suck that up and support my club blindly, well I'm not up to this. Something has to give and it's been we'll publicised that we have the team to succeed player wise, but maybe not the coaching. Seriously apathetic towards our club, cos that's how I feel they are treating us as fans.


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Anonymous
Last year
23:03 27 Jan 13

Reply #401233

re: R16: Sixers @ Tigers

Jeopardise another wooden spoon season!! Hahaha. Gold.


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Jez
Last year
00:06 28 Jan 13

Reply #401242

re: R16: Sixers @ Tigers

Whilst I agree that Marcus Camby does a lot of far-fetched rationalising, I actually think people have been overrating the quality of this roster.

Gibson is good, Petrie and Weigh are solid and Creek has great potential, but Johnson, while good sometimes is obviously not the finished product, nor is Cadee, and Schenscher is only really effective if plays are run through him and he can act as a sort of low post point-guard. So no legitimate out-and-out stars. Beyond that they don't have an NBL standard import and Crosswell in my opinion gets far too many minutes for the return he delivers.

So I think expectations were already too high, and thus I don't really buy the whole "with this roster they should be killing it" line everyone seems to spout. Having said all that I still think Marty Clarke is a poor professional-level coach.


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bk
Last year
00:28 28 Jan 13

Reply #401247

re: R16: Sixers @ Tigers

I believe we have a team that should be pushing for a top four spot and under a different coach think that that would have been realistic. I also thought that at the start of the season but thought with the Marty factor we would be top 6 but i now realise i was over estimating Marty. I am now questioning Marty's three year plan maybe he played us all for suckers and his three year plan was to pay off his house and retire.


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HoldenV8
Last year
04:03 28 Jan 13

Reply #401254

re: R16: Sixers @ Tigers

I'll support the Adelaide 36ers through thick and thin, I've been doing that since 1985. But Marcus Camby, please do not expect me (and I feel just about every other 36ers fan at this point) to continue blindly supporting a coach who in just over two and a half seasons has dished up a 23-52 record (30.66%), yet refuses to acknowledge that what he has in place hasn't worked, still isn't working, and is likely to give us our 2nd straight wooden spoon and third straight bottom two finish to add to the wooden spoon we got in Scott Ninnis' last year. In a league that has had at most 9 teams while Clarke has been our coach, finishing 8th, 9th and possibly 8th and last is a failure.

Marcus, be real about it ok, the SOS and 36ers board are not supporting Clarke because they still believe he is the best man for the job. If they did they'd have offered him a contract extension by now. The simple fact is that they just don't have the money to sack him and pay out the rest of his contract


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Mystro
Last year
05:44 28 Jan 13

Reply #401255

re: R16: Sixers @ Tigers

"Melbourne could be a very dangerous team for Perth and NZ if they make the finals but they are their own worst enemies."

Jackson had a Triple Double last time he played Melbourne and they almost managed to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory against Adelaide. They would be my most preferred Semi opponent as Townsville will just injure one of NZ's best players and Sydney have pulled their pants down earlier this season.
Melbourne have no discipline and are prone to throwing the ball away under any pressure so I would be happy for a Breakers Vs Tigers Semi


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Anonymous
Last year
07:12 28 Jan 13

Reply #401257

re: R16: Sixers @ Tigers

"I believe we have a team that should be pushing for a top four spot and under a different coach think that that would have been realistic."

I agree with this. To expect them to be up there with New Zealand Perth was unrealistic, but they should definitely be around .500 battling for a playoff spot.


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Mystro
Last year
07:17 28 Jan 13

Reply #401258

re: R16: Sixers @ Tigers

yet pre-season most Adelaide fans had written NZ off and were talking up their title hopes


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paul
Last year
07:21 28 Jan 13

Reply #401260

re: R16: Sixers @ Tigers

Often happens in pre-season, same with Tigers fans.


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Kwest
Last year
07:52 28 Jan 13

Reply #401262

re: R16: Sixers @ Tigers

I agree Jez... roster has been very overrated. Having said that we should still be at .500


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anon
Last year
09:41 28 Jan 13

Reply #401269

re: R16: Sixers @ Tigers

Roster may be overated, certainly over payed. Full salary cap for this team. A team that the coaches put together and stated would contend for a title.
Cudos to Daryl for spending on what the coaches wanted
but blind faith in coaches costing club.
Coaches clearly not capable and have been afforded
time, money and resource to prove it. Very costly.


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Marcus Camby
Last year
12:33 28 Jan 13

Reply #401298

re: R16: Sixers @ Tigers

@FM...

Marty IS a servant of the club, and he has carried out his duties with honesty, integrity and always to the best of his abilities.

You stated correct that he has come in and developed a team culture, it is evident as the players support each other and their Head Coach moreso under adversity. Daryl also buys into this ideal which I really take heart on.


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Beekayz
Last year
12:37 28 Jan 13

Reply #401299

re: R16: Sixers @ Tigers

@ Marcus Camby a "complement" is only a compliment if you spell it right.


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Marcus Camby
Last year
12:51 28 Jan 13

Reply #401302

re: R16: Sixers @ Tigers

@Jez...

I had this same concern when Gibbo and Petrie were signed.

Hoops was awash with Title Town talk.

Very rarely do you form a new team by bringing in a new starting 1, 2 and 5, as well as import, and win it all.

It takes time.

My fears have well and truly come full circle as these 'most knowledgale' fans has bought into their own Title Town hype so much, that they lose sight of the development plan.

Any losses become intolerable and the mob fires up.

Thankfully New Zealand fans (yes...New Zealand ffs) aren't like Sixer fans, else Lemanis would have been shown the door and there wouldn't be one championship, let alone a three-peat.


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Camel 31
Last year
13:09 28 Jan 13

Reply #401304

re: R16: Sixers @ Tigers

Well , he's set them on a path where we're bound to get ill.
All he believes is his eyes , and his eyes , they just tell him lies .
Well there's a woman on my block , she'll just sit there facing the hill , she says ; " WHO ..!..
.. gonna take away his licence to kill !! "


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Anonymous
Last year
13:29 28 Jan 13

Reply #401308

re: R16: Sixers @ Tigers

Man this team is frustrating to watch, and i agree sack Marty, relaease SC and let Crosswell/Pero coach and give there minutes to Daly and a development player. wouldnt cost the club more and would make us fans alot happier, if nothing else just get the guys playing out of instinct and we would probably win. Hey what have we got to lose, we are bottom, season is dead, basically a massive losing streak.

Johnson is also frustrating, imagine Goorj coaching him, he would tear shreads off him for some of his decision making and bench him heaps, he has many positives and if he improves his basketball iq and defensive/rebounding efforts he could be a MVP level player, Gaze was saying this yesterday and i agree. We need a coach who holds him more accountable imo.

36ers Coaching is poor, has been all season, and another Goorj comparison, Marty has been happy with how the team plays, says it was a great win against Sydney the other week, Goorj would have been pissed off all season win or lose, i used to find it strange he was often angry after his teams won, but now i get it, he holds his team to a high standard, wants them to play this way, holds them all accountable to do so, a win doesnt make everything ok and beleived if the team upheld his high standards and were each accountable for a high effort then they would win. If they didnt do this win/lose he was pissed, i respect that now and wish our coach did this.

I am not a massive Goorj fan, never overly enjoyed watching his teams play, dont really ever want him to coach the 36ers, but respect that (holding his players accountable for a high level of effort and play EVERY game no matter win or loss or who against) about him and his results speak for themselves. Goorj wouldnt have this team in last place that is one thing im certain of. Neither would someone like Gleeson or Smyth who are 2 guys id love to see looked at to coach next season.


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Tyrell
Last year
14:14 28 Jan 13

Reply #401316

re: R16: Sixers @ Tigers

Was at the game and here are some conclusions/observations/thoughts:

-SNAHC has a nice vibe to it, the crowd was family oriented and, I have to say it, was nowhere near as pretentious as some other venues (Perth!!!)
-Seth Scott reminds me a lot of Bobby Brannen- play inside and can step outside and hit the 3 ball, and he can dunk as well which I don't remember Bobby doing too much.
-Tigers looked like they were having some fun out there yest which is great to see.
-Liam Rush- injured/sick/or DNP coaches decision?
-Cadee had a great game and can definitely play!
-Daniel Johnson, and yesterday confirmed it all, cannot play defence and thinks he is a guard by jacking up shot after shot!
-Johnny Flynn- solid performance!!
-Christofferson, and I don't want to harp on because everyone is talking about it, I feel sorry for the guy, this stint is killing his career, who would pick him up after this. It is clear he get's told to sit in the corner and be ready to shoot.
-Clarke why not run some off ball screens for Gibbo and Christofferson to be free?


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bk
Last year
15:36 28 Jan 13

Reply #401319

re: R16: Sixers @ Tigers

@ Tyrell After watching Marty coach for nearly three seasons now i don't think Marty knows what an off ball screen is


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Mutley
Last year
18:57 28 Jan 13

Reply #401338

re: R16: Sixers @ Tigers

By the way Aylon should be stood down for this weekend and publicly reprimanded for the incident in the first quarter when Flynn three times grabbed Schenscher's legs as he was trying to get up and then had the audacity to call Luke for his justifiable reaction. Aylon saw the whole thing, ignored it, then made the call he did, therefore he must be punished.


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Starks
Last year
19:29 28 Jan 13

Reply #401342

re: R16: Sixers @ Tigers

^^ @Mutley - Absolutely agree. The mind boggled watching that on reply with the ref 3 feet away!!!


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Camel 31
Last year
09:17 29 Jan 13

Reply #401378

re: R16: Sixers @ Tigers

As Schenscher and Flynn were laying on the floor ,
Schenscher put his legs over/ontop of Flynn .
The ref called that a foul .
Later , Flynn grabbed Schenschers legs as Schenscher was trying to stand up .


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paul
Last year
09:40 29 Jan 13

Reply #401387

re: R16: Sixers @ Tigers

Looked to me the foul was for the 'push' as they both went to run off. Very poor call for mine.


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Mutley
Last year
09:43 29 Jan 13

Reply #401389

re: R16: Sixers @ Tigers

No he didn't Camel. Watch it again, and watch where the foul was actually called. Not good enough.


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Anon
Last year
09:45 29 Jan 13

Reply #401391

re: R16: Sixers @ Tigers

Michael Aylen was gold medal referee at the bloody Olympic Games
You don't get much better in the world
All this shows is that anyone can make wrong judgements but in sport ( all sport) the calls have a way of evening themselves

No point sitting on a forum bitching about one call


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Anon
Last year
09:47 29 Jan 13

Reply #401392

re: R16: Sixers @ Tigers

@mutley it's Aylen not Aylon


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Mystro
Last year
09:49 29 Jan 13

Reply #401395

re: R16: Sixers @ Tigers

"No point sitting on a forum bitching about one call"

we bitch about way more than just one call ;)




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Loco
Last year
10:50 29 Jan 13

Reply #401407

re: R16: Sixers @ Tigers

That's right Marcus - the internet is to blame.

How could we have been so callous?


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