natwhereyouat
Years ago

Should the NBL suspend Jacob Holmes?

Trips up Tyson Demos..

A player in the WNBL was suspended for doing the same thing. So should Jacob be suspended as well?

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Jack Toft  
Years ago

What's wrong with that? Demos knocks Holmes to the ground and then gets tangled up in Holmes's right arm.

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The Situation  
Years ago

Demos should be suspended too for the crude shoulder charge.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Yes, Holmes should be suspended for a good decade of woeful shot selection.

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mystro  
Years ago

hard to tell if it's intentional, if it was, yes.

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jay ray  
Years ago

No!! Make Him play for the 36ers for three weeks.

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Mick  
Years ago

nothing in it.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Firstly Jacob sets a legal pick. That is a foul! Since when can you smash a player to the floor on a legally set pick? Maybe if the ref called that, the rest wouldn't have happened.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Put this guy in charge of the refs. ^^^

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Anonymous  
Years ago

This is exactly the same as what occurred in the WNBL but the difference is Ardrossi "kicked" Flanagan whilst she was in the ground. Totally different from a tangle with an arm as Holmes does not grab! Both incidents would never have happened if calls were initially made on the player crashing the screener (Flanagan and Demos)

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Mick  
Years ago

Looks more like Holmes was putting his arms up around his head area to protect his face and head, and the tangle resulted. Nothing intentional.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Play on.
We're a little quick to want suspensions these days.
Everyone needs to harden up a little.

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G Rudd  
Years ago

Suspend him? What for? Two players get tangled up and Demos carried it on trying to be a tough manĀ· I think he came of second bestĀ·

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Vladimir Putin  
Years ago

Nothing in it. Demos fell of his own accord. If anyone needs to be suspended it should Demos for making an arse of himself.

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Muzz Buzz  
Years ago

Holmes raises his right arm once on the ground
Looks like he knew exactly what he was doing

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The Situation  
Years ago

He probably raised his arm to protect himself from the out of control Demos. Considering Demos just bowled him over, then chose to run over the top of him, I think Holmes is within his rights to hold his arm over his face.

The only reason Demos isn't considered the leagues dirtiest player is because he isn't from Perth and barely gets on the court.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Agee 100% The Situation. Well said.

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POP  
Years ago

It looked pretty intentional to me, from the clip, but the key point from all this is: call the first foul.

Would solve so many of the league's game-related issues.

Would also make the refs' jobs easier and result in much better baskeball because the players would be [more] confident in the officials' calls.

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The Situation  
Years ago

It's amazing that no whistle was blown until they chested up for the second time. There'd been three fouls prior to that, all of them close to being USF yet nothing was called. Bizarre.

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FM  
Years ago

They received a double foul..

Holmes hit probably a little too hard however the object of the pick is to get the other player free, which Holmes achieved.
Holmes clipped Demos which technically is probably a foul but having seen the whole play was let go.

Ref had a lot of verbal on that incident. Demos refused to listen. He should have probably just T-d up Demos for the carry on as soon as Demos took a step towards Holmes.

In the end, a double foul would have been enough to maintain control, as long as a little memory went that next time Demos does something, just call the foul early because he is an idiot and can't control himself.

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Mick  
Years ago

Double foul and touble Ts are the biggest cop out. Basically means an instigator gets away with anything and everything, especially in the NBA these days...

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anon  
Years ago

alternate angle footage looks more like Jake reaches for the leg deliberately -probably out of frustration- but if it was deliberate then league has to look at it

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Ricey  
Years ago

Bring back the biff. Australian basketball has got so bloody soft these days

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Bear  
Years ago

Two stupid acts, one the shoulder charge, then the trip. Too quick for a wistle to stop the trip, so a double foul then maybe a tech' for the retalliation...

Demos goes out the exit door and Holmes sits on the bench to cool off for 5 minutes, IMO...

That kind of play is not basketball, but I didn't see the game so don't know how it was played or officiated and the video is only a few seconds long.

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Panther  
Years ago

Yeah I agree with the situation, I can't believe it took so long to call the foul.
Firstly, that's a foul on Demos for dropping his shoulder and running through Holmes.
Secondly, Jake knew what he was doing, he was probably embarassed someone so little knocked him over!
Thirdly, Demos is a punk, if he played more i'm sure Jacob would have got his revenge! ;)

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Anonymous  
Years ago

FM..... It's theories like these that cause altercations.

Yes a screen is designed to get your teammate open. They are not design for the defender to have a free shot at the screener and knock the suitcase out of him. Demos's contact is boarding on USF, it is excessive contact.

By your theory as long as the screen get the team mate open the defender can just run through him time and time again, simply just drop his shoulder and nail him like a linebacker! What a crock!!! This is how contact escalation occurs and why games get out of control. Hogan had voice on the situation......fat lot of good that did didnt it? Perhaps put the whistle in the mouth and call the obvious foul rather than try and apply some bullshit version of advantage.

Call the first foul and the second doesnt occur. Simple.

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Muzz Buzz  
Years ago

If you actually watch the replay Demos doesnt even see the screen coming, he has no team mate around to warn him either. He doesn't drop his shoulder his head and eye contact are locked on the ball.

Those that have played against Holmes know that he knew what he was doing when he raised his right arm to clip Demos. Demos was almost past Holmes when he was tripped.



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Anonymous  
Years ago

If Demos doesnt see the screen he needs his eyes tested and he has no peripheral vision whatsoever. He braces at the point of contact. If he DIDNT know the screener was there he would have bounced off and been startled. He keep running in the same line as he knows Holmes is there and runs over him.

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Isaac  
Years ago

Townsville Crocs Jacob Holmes to face @NBL Tribunal on charge of tripping after incident in 2nd quarter of @TsvCrocs v @wollongonghawks

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Anonymous  
Years ago

We might as well start playing netball if that is reportable.

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Isaac  
Years ago

Glen Saville on Twitter:

Bloody sick of these crutches. Just tripped over at Holmes again.
My holmies be trippin ya'll

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The Situation  
Years ago

NBL social media policy FTW!!!

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Jacob has to better than that, it was a low act from Jacob & he most certainly meant to do that to Demos. Certainly warrants a suspension IMHO, in a worse case scenario could have done some serious damage to Demos. I also believe that this is out of character for Jacob & I'm sure he regrets this act also.

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Arthur Deigh  
Years ago

Referees police screens pretty woefully overall IMHO. Too often players setting the pick get away with pushing their hips out that little bit further because to ensure they make contact with the defender when, if they (and their ball carrier) did it right, there would be no need to move, or players get there that little bit late but no call. Just watch Redhage in action!

In this case, Demos ran through the screen? Fine, call it. But if Holmes deliberately grabbed at the leg, then that's a different situation. In real-time, Holmes would likely have done this whether or not Hogan had called a foul - there wouldn't have been enough time for Holmes to decide "Hey, Demos just got away with that", so he went for his own payback.

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Bear  
Years ago

Too often I see juniors playing hoops that just don't know how to set a proper screen, or use a screen correctly.

They get away with it because of two reasons:

1. Coaches don't pick up on it.
2. Officials don't call it, so coaches don't need to pick up on it.

Cause and effect...

Now we get to senior level hoops, what's the issue........??

Coaches obviously don't need to worry about it because officials obviously don't give two hoots whether the screen is used properly, or a player is smashed by an illegal screen, or as in this case just smashes through the screener!

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Great screen by Jacob. Demos should have been more shitty with his own team mate guarding Holmes that didn't tell him the screen was there.
Jacob most definitely meant to trip him, anyone questioning that is delusional.
A 'slap on the wrist' sentence desrved but to find him not guilty at all shows how ball-less the NBL is.

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The Situation  
Years ago

I would have thought being delusional is when you decide that someone did something intentionally without having any evidence to support it.

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