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Train
Two years ago

#36356

Montreal and Muo to Kings ?

Boti is reporting Kings are trying to sign DQ and Muo for the rest of the season. Anyone know anymore else on this. can they use the games played on another team towards the games they need to qualify for playoffs ?

http://www.botinagy.com/blog/kings-key-on-dq-and-muo/

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Uwe Blab
Two years ago
23:53 30 Jan 15

Reply #512455

re: Montreal and Muo to Kings ?

Also suggesting that the reason they aren't cleared yet is because Sydney play perth this week. What a dickhead.


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Train
Two years ago
00:27 31 Jan 15

Reply #512457

re: Montreal and Muo to Kings ?

Yeah I noticed that. Can't beleive he is still harping on about the whole Marvin having an unfair influence on the NBL. He also posted this the other day ...

THIS JUST IN: James Ennis' mother is delighted to report her son's All Star Five trophy finally has arrived by sea mail and now is proudly on display on the mantelpiece, right next to his dog-eared and well-read bound first edition copy of "How to Win Friends and Influence People".

http://www.botinagy.com/blog/week-17-rankings-kings-gone-no-joshin/

Get the "F"over it


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Dazz
Two years ago
01:56 31 Jan 15

Reply #512461

re: Montreal and Muo to Kings ?

Sydney have no hope of making the play-offs, so qualifying is irrelevant.

PS: If Marvin was trying to influence the NBL against Sydney, he'd have had Muo playing with them last week.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
03:33 31 Jan 15

Reply #512464

re: Montreal and Muo to Kings ?

Do you think it's possible that Boti may know a bit more about what goes on that you guys? Ask about what Adelaide was made to do to sign DJ just because Perth pressured the NBL


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Kobe24
Two years ago
04:11 31 Jan 15

Reply #512465

re: Montreal and Muo to Kings ?

Haha that trophy line is funny to be honest.


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Uwe Blab
Two years ago
08:35 31 Jan 15

Reply #512470

re: Montreal and Muo to Kings ?

#464, ok, I'll ask. What happened?


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Kobe24
Two years ago
08:54 31 Jan 15

Reply #512472

re: Montreal and Muo to Kings ?

Perth pressure the NBL... NO never! Haha let it be boys, we all have opinions and we will never always agree, Boti has his point right wrong or in-between, its just another valid opinion.


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Benno
Two years ago
09:12 31 Jan 15

Reply #512473

re: Montreal and Muo to Kings ?

Just read on twitter that Kings had Al Harrington lined up but the NBL knocked them back?


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Anonymous
Two years ago
09:18 31 Jan 15

Reply #512474

re: Montreal and Muo to Kings ?

WOW, as i said before, let him play, what negative for the NBL does bringing Al Harrington in for the rest of the season have???

As a fan of the NBL (36ers not kings) im pissed, as would have loved to see a guy like this play NBL, we should be encouraging as many people with this sort of resume play NBL as possible, whether its for 5 games or a full season, can only be good imo.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
09:27 31 Jan 15

Reply #512477

re: Montreal and Muo to Kings ?

Why would the NBL knock back a chance to get a past solid nba starter? What a joke! Nba names draws crowds...


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Benno
Two years ago
09:30 31 Jan 15

Reply #512478

re: Montreal and Muo to Kings ?

The more exposure the better, dont understand this!


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Kobe24
Two years ago
09:35 31 Jan 15

Reply #512481

re: Montreal and Muo to Kings ?

Thats suicidal to the league if true. Should be no rule against this sort of thing. The only rule that applies is in the case of a playoff birth, the player MUST play 7. Imagine the Kings locking up Harrington and Childress for next season, that'll make some teams recruit a little harder!


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Benno
Two years ago
09:37 31 Jan 15

Reply #512482

re: Montreal and Muo to Kings ?

agreed Kobe, and at the same time will bring more fans to games


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Kobe24
Two years ago
09:41 31 Jan 15

Reply #512484

re: Montreal and Muo to Kings ?

Well by suicidal, I'm referring directly at the crowd participation. If this is true, someone needs to be held accountable and asked to resign. Sorry but this is just that big a thing IMO. The culture needs to be one that any agent of a out of work NBA guy thinks of Australia as a destination on the short list. Jesus as the world is these days, Id much rathe play here than past of Europe and the middle east!!!!!!


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Big Ads
Two years ago
09:44 31 Jan 15

Reply #512486

re: Montreal and Muo to Kings ?

Forced Johnson to wear #32 instead of #21? I'm intrigued "Anon", what did Perth do?

Boti enjoys a playful dig and I suspect he, like many, see Perth (and anyone associated with it) being a little on edge. I didn't see much point him bring up the Ennis Trophy incident when I read it, but clearly I wasn't Boti's target.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
09:46 31 Jan 15

Reply #512488

re: Montreal and Muo to Kings ?

For those bashing Boty for knocking Marvin, ask this question if Perth were able to sign Harrington, would they get knocked back???

They got the Oceania rule through when many thought they shouldnt have.

I think Boty has a point on the self interest thing on some of the power clubs.

FWIW i was for allowing the Oceania Earnest Ross/Wesley rule, and am all for allowing Harrington to play, from the point of view of lets get as much talent as possible, as long as signed within the salary and points cap.

Imagine if your Childress, your have enjoyed your time in Sydney/NBL, thinking of re-signing for next season, get hurt sorta feel bad and want to help your team/the league out so you get one of your mates who has a very solid NBA career lined up to take your spot for the season, and lets face it they probably be happy to hang out here aswell off the court, and may even convince him to play longer in the NBL, and then the NBL go sorry there is less than 7 games left he cant play, if that were me id be thinking WTF and be soo pissed, i hope it doesnt affect his decision on whether he comes back or not too, which lets be honest it could.

J Chill thank you for your contribution to the NBL, and even tyring to line up a quality player like Harrington for our league, i hope you continue to play here and try and bring your friends out too (even if its not in a 36ers singlet and you crushed us a couple of times)

I hope the Kings, Childress, Harrington say FU Perth next year we are all coming back and we are going to put together this team

Cadee/??
Madgen/White
Childress/Ellis
Harrington/Garlepp
Brandt/Diunker

I hate to say it but this is another point to the post Isaac had about the NBL making it so hard to support them, how many times do they have to make these bad decisions???


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Uwe Blab
Two years ago
09:51 31 Jan 15

Reply #512489

re: Montreal and Muo to Kings ?

What's this got to do with Perth and Marvin? It's an NBL rule, has been for years, that a player can't come in once his team has played 75% of their games. If you don't like the rule, that's fine, but don't suggest a conspiracy when the league actually enforces a rule.


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paul
Two years ago
09:55 31 Jan 15

Reply #512490

re: Montreal and Muo to Kings ?

"Nba names draws crowds..."

Unfortunately they haven't so far, but that doesn't mean we should be knocking them back when they want to play in our league!! It seems like a rdiculous decision and a ridiculous rule.

And what Boti is doing is super important, the owners of the rich clubs need to be held accountable to ensure league HQ operates with the best interests of the entire league as their priority.


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Uwe Blab
Two years ago
10:08 31 Jan 15

Reply #512496

re: Montreal and Muo to Kings ?

I think the rule has merit because of what it prevents but we've come across a situation where following it to the letter of the law has shown its not the best thought out rule, or it needs some amendments. That doesn't mean it should be scrapped or amended instantly.

The Kings play all playoff contenders except NZ in their remaining games. Which of those teams would be happy if the rule was not followed?


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paul
Two years ago
10:27 31 Jan 15

Reply #512498

re: Montreal and Muo to Kings ?

No rule that prevents a team from replacing an injured player has any merit in my book.


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anonymous
Two years ago
10:29 31 Jan 15

Reply #512499

re: Montreal and Muo to Kings ?

Montreal is in Sydney at the moment.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
10:31 31 Jan 15

Reply #512500

re: Montreal and Muo to Kings ?

Uwe, I think the biggest issues for many are these things

1. The bias, Perth (and other power clubs) get what they want all the time, bend little rules here and there to make it work in there favour, and i almost guarantee if it were Perth trying to bring in Harrington under the exact same cricumstances it would be allowed to happen. This is what Boty is speaking out against, mentioning Perth constantly which means they are probably the biggest culprits.

2. The problem is not the 7 games to play playoffs rule, fwiw i agree with this rule, but why does this rule stop a guy playing the remaining games of the regular season when in all likelihood the team wont make the playoffs anyway, let Harrington play the last 5 games, if they make the playoffs then he doesnt qualify, fair enough, i think the kings would accept that too and would be happy with that, as they know they most likely wont play in the playoffs, they are just trying to bring a quality player in to keep there games interesting, the crowds, sponsors, etc interested instead of fielding a sub par team due to injury which will be far less fun to watch, Harrington would atleast draw some interest among casual fans, lets see what he can do in the NBL after averaging over 10ppg in his NBA career type thing, a bit like Childress, which lets face it is far more interesting than seeing Cadee, Perry, Madgen, Garlepp, etc (all due respect to those guys) they just arnt the same draw cards.
Which is why i think most including the Kings would be happy if the NBL said, all good he can play the rest of the season, but doesnt qualify for play offs (if you happen to make it), which surely is the correct decision and isnt breaking the 7 game rule either.

3. If bringing Harrington in keeps Childress interested in sticking around longer term and even Harrington or other NBA guys interested in joining him then thats also a massive plus imo, but to see this you need to out your bias aside and not say we cant have that cos they will crush our team. Thats many peoples frustration with Perth/power teams is they are stopping things happening for other teams cos it may make it harder for there team to beat them, i see the point, but come on see the bigger picture people. Having Childress, Harrington and guys like this on any NBL team is a positive, even if he crushes your team once in a while (im a 6ers fan saw Childress crush us atleast twice, and still love that he is in the NBL). What is the negative of these guys playing NBL??? even if its just for the last 5 games on a non playoff team.

The fact they are playing the playoff teams is another reason why they should be able to replace him for the season, as they are not adding Harrington to Childress they are replacing Childress with Harrington so not really improving there squad at best its a break even move, not allowing this to happen means the Kings are going to be easy beats for the top teams, which hurts the integrity of the league imo.

Bottom line is if a ex NBA guy wants to play, is within the caps, and even say he cant play playoffs cos of the 7 games, but let him play regular season games!!


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Uwe Blab
Two years ago
10:44 31 Jan 15

Reply #512502

re: Montreal and Muo to Kings ?

Don't get me wrong, I would love to see Harrington lining up as its good for the league. I'd love to see him play at Perth Arena on Sunday too. The problem is, it is a rule and bending it at this stage of the season would cause another issue.

Perth just had the need to replace two injured players, Knight and Ross. They got Luke Martin. Can't really see how you can accuse them of pulling strings to suit themselves.

Fair point about the other playoff contenders now being given an advantage and hurting integrity in another way though. But as I said, the rule is just a one-liner and doesn't go in to other "what-if" scenarios unfortunately.




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Anonymous
Two years ago
10:54 31 Jan 15

Reply #512505

re: Montreal and Muo to Kings ?

Surely the rule should be 7 games to qualify for playoffs, but has no impact on regular season though, ie you can play regular season, but not playoffs.

Perth this season bent the rules to have Ross and U'u on the roster, if they are now going to be picky, Ross with the oceania rule, U'u im pretty sure he was a 4 who all the sudden became a 2 or 3 so Perth could fit him in, look i support both of these guys suiting up, but i guess many peoples point of view is if you can have those things then why cant Harrington suit up for the kings for the remainder of the regular season, presumably its the wildcats kicking up the stink preventing it more than other teams. I think we also all know if Perth had the import spot available they would be trying the same thing as the kings and wouldnt let anyone block them doing it, thats the issue for many.


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Train
Two years ago
10:57 31 Jan 15

Reply #512507

re: Montreal and Muo to Kings ?

Yes, Yes .... Perth controls the NBL...I mean it so evident when you look at it at.... You know the fact they are in a 3 way battle for the last spots in the playoffs, the fact that NZ won 3 championships prior winning one themselves last year.....even the fact that they just had a gruelling schedule. Let's not forget Ennis NOT winning the MVP last year. Take off your tin foil hats peeps.


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Train
Two years ago
11:01 31 Jan 15

Reply #512508

re: Montreal and Muo to Kings ?

Why would the NBL block Harrington but allow DQ ? Doesn't sound right unless DQ can use the games he played for 36ers as games towards the 75% rule. I say let him play, good for the NBL


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Uwe Blab
Two years ago
11:01 31 Jan 15

Reply #512509

re: Montreal and Muo to Kings ?

Actually, Perth used the rules correctly to get U'u signed.

The Ross signing is a different story. They, along with NZ, thought they were abiding by the rules. Some say it's wasn't officially a rule, some say that the BA/FIBA directive was the rule. Make up your own mind but Perth didn't set the precedent, and they didn't allow the precedent in order to benefit from it (Ross wasn't on the radar for two months after Wesley was signed).

You can presume that it's Perth complaining about as much as you like. You are basing that on nothing.


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Uwe Blab
Two years ago
11:03 31 Jan 15

Reply #512510

re: Montreal and Muo to Kings ?

I'm disappointed that Marvin didn't use his dictatorial powers to force the recent Sunshine Swing to be played in Perth.


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Train
Two years ago
11:06 31 Jan 15

Reply #512512

re: Montreal and Muo to Kings ?

I heard that Marvin ordered United to lose to the Hawks to help the Cats make the playoffs.


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Vodka63
Two years ago
11:46 31 Jan 15

Reply #512515

re: Montreal and Muo to Kings ?

For those saying that Boti is holding Perth and Marvin to account, nothing could be further from the truth.

Boti is allegedly an impartial journalist. He doesn't behave that way. In my opinion, his articles generally read as if they were written by the leader of of a cheer squad.

As a journalist, if he has information about improper practices, surely he has a duty to his employer to expose it and continue to write about it until the perpetrators are held to account. I would have thought that this would be the sort of stuff that sells newspapers and brings credibility to the publishers.

Instead, he continually makes silly anti-Perth comments like the Ennis trophy comment, the disrespectful nicknames he gives Marvin and the most recent "surprise surprise" comment re Sydney playing Perth. In doing so, I believe he damages any remaining credibility he has as a mainstream basketball journalist.

If you've got something to say Boti, say it. If not, would you like some fish with the chip you have on your shoulder?


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PeterJohn
Two years ago
11:47 31 Jan 15

Reply #512516

re: Montreal and Muo to Kings ?

FWIW, the rule concerned is probably this one:

"9. Deadline for Registration of Players
9.1. A player may not be registered with an NBL Club after that NBL Club has played more than
or equal to 75% of its regular season games.
9.2. Subject to Rule 9.1 and meeting other requirements in these rules, a player whose contract
has been terminated during an NBL season may be registered with a different NBL Club in
the same season."

So 9.1 stops Harrington or another such player being signed by the Kings. Rule 9.2 allows Muo and Montreal to be signed.

This is from the 2011-12 NBL rules. Presumably it hasn't changed. Maybe it will be considered for change after this chain of events.


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Vodka63
Two years ago
11:54 31 Jan 15

Reply #512517

re: Montreal and Muo to Kings ?

Come on PeterJohn - please don't let a simple black and white reading of the rules get in the way of a conspiracy theory!


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Anonymous
Two years ago
11:59 31 Jan 15

Reply #512519

re: Montreal and Muo to Kings ?

all valid enough, to be honest im on the side of letting all these guys play, U'U, Ross, Wesley, Harrington, etc, i just want the best players possible in the NBL

Im actually all for increase import restrictions to 3 or 4 imports per team within the caps, yes it reduces Aussie jobs, but potentially increases level of play and excitement of the NBL, which to me is what its about, its a league to sell tickets and entertain not develop Aus talent, but it does do both. As i want the best quality talent on the court as possible within our financial limits.

It also re-sets some of the Aussie salary expectations, as to me many Aussies are over paid, ie it costs you say $100 k + to get Barlow in the NBL, where if you could have extra imports you could probably spend around $50-70k and get a import who can put up a similar stat line and overall impact of the game, many many cases of this, some including the more Aussie stars of the league.

Bottom line is im against any rules apart from salary and points cap preventing bringing talent into the league, i understand the playoff qualification rules, but let them play regular season!!


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Anonymous
Two years ago
12:20 31 Jan 15

Reply #512523

re: Montreal and Muo to Kings ?

Paul, Childress doesn't draw crowds, please explain....

I know mates who went to the Perth games last year purely due to Ennis. Given Daniels is a woeful import so he couldn't get his own family drawn in based on is abilities but really how can you come to that conclusion.

I expect a million stats and figures but really how can you be blasé about such a thing. Ofcourse NBA caliber players have drawn in interest in stadiums and on tv. People talk about Childress and his numbers.


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Kobe24
Two years ago
12:24 31 Jan 15

Reply #512524

re: Montreal and Muo to Kings ?

Man the Perth faithful are on edge. Have had to sift threw all the weird defensive comments to get to the Harrington stuff. If only the team were as defensive minded.... OH SNAP!

Its crazy to me to turn away high caliber players. This league is simply not in a position to be that confident within its self. No growth will come with holding talent out of the league. Where talking about a marquee city. If they can find a way to fill the stadium with a losing team and continue to attract sponsors well thats what has to happen.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
12:40 31 Jan 15

Reply #512526

re: Montreal and Muo to Kings ?

Kobe, if Adelaide needed to beat the Kings in the final game of the season to make the playoff, and the Kings beat them by fielding a team that was against the rules, you'd be ok with that?


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D4444
Two years ago
12:46 31 Jan 15

Reply #512527

re: Montreal and Muo to Kings ?

We said Vodka63. Boti writes for the Adelaide market and is as parochial as they come. Anything he writes needs to be read in that context.

Thanks for posting the rule PeterJohn. If people don't like the rule then lobby to have it changed for next season but don't give one team an exemption just because they might be able to sign a decent player for a few weeks.


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paul
Two years ago
13:08 31 Jan 15

Reply #512535

re: Montreal and Muo to Kings ?

It's easy anon, just look at crowds with and without NBA players like Childress, Flynn, Mills and Young. Sadly, there is no real upward trend. Same goes for TV viewers.


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Vodka 63
Two years ago
13:13 31 Jan 15

Reply #512538

re: Montreal and Muo to Kings ?

Funny that all the people who are in favour of breaking (not bending) a rule to let Harrington in are the same ones who were up in arms when Perth and NZ acted within the rules to sign Ross and Wesley.


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koberulz
Two years ago
14:21 31 Jan 15

Reply #512559

re: Montreal and Muo to Kings ?

Remember when Perth got a roster rule changed mid-season last year so they could re-sign Jesse Sanders?

Oh, wait...


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Train
Two years ago
14:38 31 Jan 15

Reply #512563

re: Montreal and Muo to Kings ?

I feel for the Kings , losing Childress leaves a massive whole . I guess this is the risk u take when you spend half of your salary cap on one player.


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Kobe24
Two years ago
15:08 31 Jan 15

Reply #512568

re: Montreal and Muo to Kings ?

Unfortunately at this stage of the nbls development into a solid league, if it was for a betterment of the league and solidified a stronger league for seasons to come id have to suck it up.


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Uwe Blab
Two years ago
15:37 31 Jan 15

Reply #512569

re: Montreal and Muo to Kings ?

Haha give me a break, Kobe.


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Kobe24
Two years ago
18:17 31 Jan 15

Reply #512581

re: Montreal and Muo to Kings ?

Just taking emotion out of the answer to the question and thinking about longevity of the league. The rule stinks, probs my main point.


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JWC
Two years ago
19:04 31 Jan 15

Reply #512585

re: Montreal and Muo to Kings ?

Childers is arguably the best player in the NBL. Bringing in Harrington would not be a case of stacking a team, but rather trying to allow Sydney to maintain the strength of team they had before Josh was injured. As a fan, I'm going to become more anti- NBL/Perth as I watch our team be massacred over the next 6 games.

Having to bring in someone at this late date is likely to be unsettling to a team at any rate, and would most probably make little difference to the team's ability to finish strongly.

But bringing in NBA Talent into the league at least makes it interesting to watch.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
19:58 31 Jan 15

Reply #512587

re: Montreal and Muo to Kings ?

Why are you going to be anti Perth?


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Dazz
Two years ago
23:52 31 Jan 15

Reply #512603

re: Montreal and Muo to Kings ?

I agree with the basics of the 75% rule, except I think teams should be able to sign bonafide injury replacements, PROVIDED the pro-rata salary does not exceed that of the injured player.
Nobody wants to see a team upset the applecart by bringing in a hired gun for a few rounds, but Childress was close to the best player in the league and should be allowed to replace with somebody similar.

That said, I disagree with the nonsense idea that bringing in an ex-NBA player will suddenly get an extra bunch of people flooding to the games.

I realise there are a few malcontents out there, who bitch about the NBL but claim to be ardent NBA fans. But fact is they're never gonna get of their arses and turn out to support NBL nomatter who's playing. The NBL needs to generate more support in the wider community, and most people would not have a clue who's played in the NBA.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
04:08 1 Feb 15

Reply #512612

re: Montreal and Muo to Kings ?

Ofcourse you'd disagree dazz, whats new. Same people annoying on here with their politically correct no growth of the league mentality. Who wouldve thought a forum going against virtual no ones would get the blood boiling so much.


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Wilson Sting
Two years ago
13:19 1 Feb 15

Reply #512639

re: Montreal and Muo to Kings ?

I would normally agree with D4444 and others in that the rule shouldn't be broken but this is an exceptional scenario with the league on the brink of a new TV deal they need to raise the profile of the league as much as possible.

That and the fact that it's a like for like injury replacement is not against the spirit of the game.


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Nobody
Two years ago
14:48 1 Feb 15

Reply #512648

re: Montreal and Muo to Kings ?

Boti on the money again.

http://www.botinagy.com/blog/wildcat-strike-not-on-for-sydney/


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JWC
Two years ago
14:55 1 Feb 15

Reply #512650

re: Montreal and Muo to Kings ?

Will be interesting if after Perth bury the Kings today Marvin relents and lets the kings bring in Harrington. He would want the Kings to beat everyone else. Even with Harrington, the disruption, I think it highly unlikely he would bring more to the Kings than Childress would have, had he remained healthy.


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Train
Two years ago
15:54 1 Feb 15

Reply #512655

re: Montreal and Muo to Kings ?

Hahahaha get off the crack Boti


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Michael
Two years ago
17:35 1 Feb 15

Reply #512674

re: Montreal and Muo to Kings ?

Perth complained so no DQ


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Uwe Blab
Two years ago
18:37 1 Feb 15

Reply #512681

re: Montreal and Muo to Kings ?

Did they? Please provide some specifics to that allegation.

I can't believe so many people read a Boti blog and take everything he says as being 100% truthful, and then turn this whole Harrington saga in to purely Marvin's doing. You'd all make great Scientologists.


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D4444
Two years ago
18:45 1 Feb 15

Reply #512682

re: Montreal and Muo to Kings ?

Even if the NBL had approved Harrington's signing, the chances of him being cleared to play this weekend would have been close to zero.


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Nobody
Two years ago
18:57 1 Feb 15

Reply #512684

re: Montreal and Muo to Kings ?

Scientology is real. So what's your point?


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Anonymous
Two years ago
20:02 1 Feb 15

Reply #512707

re: Montreal and Muo to Kings ?

It's not just Boti saying it, the word around town is backing it up. The public are lucky Boti is the only real NBL journalist around. Unlucky though that there aren't a few more out there, the other hacks only produce poor match reports, player profile story or the NBL is dead!!!1 pieces.

This suits the haters and naysayers when they attack Boti because it isn't coming out anywhere else. Listen the Advertiser is a major newspaper so to discredit goes to show where you are coming from.

Kings now should save their money, imo with no playoff chance you go "Hollywood or home" and Harrington was vetoed so what's the point. Unless they play Perth again? and play it like a Grand Final to get a little revenge.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
20:06 1 Feb 15

Reply #512708

re: Montreal and Muo to Kings ?

DQ and Muo will be approved to play from tomorrow.
Lock that in.

Certainly an odour about that when both guys are ready to play and don't have clearance issues.


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Train
Two years ago
20:43 1 Feb 15

Reply #512715

re: Montreal and Muo to Kings ?

Anon 2707 : So Boti comes out with some out there conspiracy theory about Perth controlling the NBL and stopping the Kings from playing Montreal and Muo but has not concrete evidence to back it up ? But it must be true because Boti is a journalist and journalists never spin a story lol I like Boti as a journalist and respect him for his contributions to the NBL and basketball in Australia...... But not when he is vomiting this garbage. If there is any truth to his allegations then they should be investigated.....IF...


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snooch
Two years ago
20:54 1 Feb 15

Reply #512716

re: Montreal and Muo to Kings ?

You do realise Boti is writing these insinuations on his blog? It's an opinion. And I reckon he at least partly does it because he KNOWS it's so easy to get a rise out of Perth fans.
He's not making any accusations against Perth in his news pieces in the Advertiser, to my knowledge.


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Train
Two years ago
21:02 1 Feb 15

Reply #512717

re: Montreal and Muo to Kings ?

Is Boti accusing Perth of indirectly fixing results so Perth secure a play off berth ....cos that's some pretty serious allegations.


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Nobody
Two years ago
21:12 1 Feb 15

Reply #512718

re: Montreal and Muo to Kings ?

Just a co incidence that's all he was raising.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
22:22 1 Feb 15

Reply #512724

re: Montreal and Muo to Kings ?

Boti isn't worthy of my respect.


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Uwe Blab
Two years ago
22:48 1 Feb 15

Reply #512726

re: Montreal and Muo to Kings ?

If Boti was able to hold off on the trivial criticism of Perth, he might have his current nonsense looked at more favorably. But since the middle of last season, he has attacked Perth for; Marvin's role in the post match melee that Ervin started (while completely ignoring what Dean Parker tweeted BEFORE Marvin said anything; for their cheerleaders doing their "voodoo dance" around the Hawks bench, claiming that a battling club shouldn't be subject to that; and he has tried to get continual mileage out of the Ennis trophy incident, making terrible jokes and constantly bringing it up when 99% of the basketball world has moved on.

Everything he writes gives the impression he has an obvious yet futile agenda. His latest blog with a "wink, wink" reference to players not being cleared with two days notice because of a Perth/Marvin conspiracy is so ridiculous when you consider how the NBL history is littered with examples of delayed approvals.


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Michael
Two years ago
23:26 1 Feb 15

Reply #512727

re: Montreal and Muo to Kings ?

I am not speculating it is the truth.. Montr. went to training in Sydney ..flew to Perth was told that afternoon by the league he wouldn't be aloud to play due to a protest of the formerly named club.


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Train
Two years ago
23:40 1 Feb 15

Reply #512728

re: Montreal and Muo to Kings ?

On what ground was the protest made ? Had all the paperwork been processed or had he been officially signed ?


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Dazz
Two years ago
00:44 2 Feb 15

Reply #512735

re: Montreal and Muo to Kings ?

"Ofcourse you'd disagree dazz, whats new. Same people annoying on here with their politically correct no growth of the league mentality."

Ok, so explain how signing an ex-NBA player for 5 games magically grows the NBL or its attendance?


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Uwe Blab
Two years ago
10:46 2 Feb 15

Reply #512765

re: Montreal and Muo to Kings ?

7. Registration Process
7.1. Applications for registration of a player must:
7.1.1.Use the approved form (Appendix 1 & 2);
7.1.2.Be accompanied with a signed Player Contract (Appendix 3) or, in the case of a Permit
Player, written permission from the club providing a permit;
7.1.3.If the player is registered with another club (in Australia or overseas), be accompanied
by a completed application for clearance (Appendix 4);
7.1.4.If the player is a restricted player, be accompanied by relevant immigration
documentation, an international clearance and a Foreign Player Licence.
7.1.5.Be accompanied by a NBL Proposed Player Payments form endorsed under Rule 17;
7.1.6.If the NBL Propose Player Payments form was endorsed conditionally under Rule 17.4,
the NBL Club must establish that those conditions have been met;
7.1.7.Be accompanied by a registration of Membership with the Players State Association.
7.1.8.Include such other information as reasonably required by NBL from time to time.
7.2. Failure to provide all documentation required under Rule 7.1 when seeking to register a
player will delay the registration. A player cannot be registered until all required
documentation is provided.Section 3 - Registration of Players Page | 6
7.3. NBL shall register the player with the NBL Club once satisfied that registration complies
with these rules.

18.4. A copy of each player contract must be lodged with NBL at least five (5) working days
before the player intends to play in an NBL game.


Seems to me that Sydney wasted the best part of last week trying to get the rules bent, then when didn't work, tried to get paperwork for Montreal and Muo rushed through on a Friday, which wasn't enough time. Sorry, thats on them, not on the NBL, Nick Marvin or Perth.


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Nobody
Two years ago
11:37 2 Feb 15

Reply #512777

re: Montreal and Muo to Kings ?

Whats the point here? Both players have played NBL previously and it should be a simple matter to comply with the above points because it's already been done to get them into the NBL in the first place.!!!
NO time wasting what so ever is needed as its really just a matter of simple existing paperwork exchanges.


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Vodka 63
Two years ago
12:03 2 Feb 15

Reply #512782

re: Montreal and Muo to Kings ?

Read it again Nobody - they need a Player contract (with the Kings, not their old club), player payments form etc - and that all needs to be lodged 5 days before they play. Its not just tweaking the old paperwork. Perhaps people should be questioning the Kings administration rather than looking for conspiracies


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Nobody
Two years ago
12:22 2 Feb 15

Reply #512784

re: Montreal and Muo to Kings ?

So why is having a player contract so difficult?


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Uwe Blab
Two years ago
13:09 2 Feb 15

Reply #512793

re: Montreal and Muo to Kings ?

Nobody, what do you think is a reasonable timeframe to have a contract etc submitted and approved?


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Nobody
Two years ago
13:30 2 Feb 15

Reply #512795

re: Montreal and Muo to Kings ?

Far less than a week in this case. Local already approved players basically require a rubber stamp.
Contracts are really the easiest part IMO. I would imagine DQ would need a seabl clearance which is no biggie either.


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Uwe Blab
Two years ago
13:35 2 Feb 15

Reply #512799

re: Montreal and Muo to Kings ?

Ok, so if they submitted on Friday and its approved today, its been less than a week. Two business days - good turn around time. That is providing that the Kings were able to get all the documents together, considering they wasted a week on trying to get a player in who wasn't eligible.


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Uwe Blab
Two years ago
10:04 5 Feb 15

Reply #513201

re: Montreal and Muo to Kings ?

From what I have heard, its likely that Boti's blog was online before the Kings had even contacted Muo.

"Not reading anything into that, of course. Obviously a coincidence, as always."


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Vodka63
Two years ago
10:34 5 Feb 15

Reply #513206

re: Montreal and Muo to Kings ?

If that's the case, then the obvious explanation is that Nick Marvin intercepted their call and ensured that they couldn't talk to him prior to the Perth game. As Boti would say, I'm not saying that happened, but that's what people could think


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Uwe Blab
Two years ago
10:49 5 Feb 15

Reply #513210

re: Montreal and Muo to Kings ?

"As Boti would say, I'm not saying that happened, but that's what people could think"

Then act with indignant when people call him out on his crap.


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Nobody
Two years ago
11:56 5 Feb 15

Reply #513229

re: Montreal and Muo to Kings ?

Certainly no idea about Muo being a player but DQ trained once with the Kings and fitted in well. Expectations were that he was to be cleared for this week. Despite some NBL board members being keen on that idea, it was ruled out immediately.
As to the replacement import happening that indeed is true as well with the NBL knocking it on the head. Sad days indeed.


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Uwe Blab
Two years ago
13:49 5 Feb 15

Reply #513266

re: Montreal and Muo to Kings ?

Noboy, last week you were saying that Boti was on the money by saying Perth protested the Montreal and Muo signings. This week you're saying its the first you're hearing if Muo as a player. Which is it? Are you making things up as you go along too?


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Nobody
Two years ago
18:10 5 Feb 15

Reply #513337

re: Montreal and Muo to Kings ?

No I spoke to someone from the Kings today and I had it confirmed about DQ. I agreed with the principle of Boti's article that's all. The Muo thing may have happened and to that I have no knowledge as I said. Either way it shows how pathetic the NBL is getting.


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