So no Vic, NSW, WA or Qld?

What a waste. How much money is BSA spending on this.

Is that where our female participation fee is going?

At what cost?

The BSA Comp Manager again trying to control the whole of basketball in SA by claiming he can do things he cannot. Promising to replace Albury, SCC and ECC with one tournament at his favorite venue (which BSA don't run). So more cost.

End result its SA and NT. Run at a big loss. For what? To give some players a few more games. Another Fake Nationals.

I for one would rather my fees be spent on more constructive things.

So it basically isn't going ahead! SA Metro 3 v SA Metro 2 to dominate competition! If this is costing parents a small fortune they have been conned.

Let the kids play, it's about enjoyment.

It is costing parents $200, hardly a big cost.

2 States, 3 programs competing (if you can call NT basketball a program?)
Only reason this "tournament" is going ahead is so BSA High Performance can justify their employment.
What have they done for the year? Couple of trials, trainings and zoom meetings?
But let's give everyone an SA uniform and roll them out to play in a fake comp.
It’s an embarrassment to players who have played in big tournaments for SA previously.
And it speaks volumes about the current BSA HP set up.

Sounds like your kid didn't get a spot ya sook

Plenty of development opportunities this year...CLF, HPHN, Transition etc...all have left BSA "High Performance" for dead in terms of player development.
So I ask again, what has BSA HP done all year to justify a wage? Nothing. That's where all your fees are going, paying the “experts” to sit around doing stuff all.

Maybe my kid got a spot when it was hard earned and an achievement to represent SA?
Not this participation award, everyone gets a trophy “invitational challenge”.
Wait till you compete against Vic and NSW or it’s all fake.
Sad thing is deep down the players know it as well.
By all means, have a training/development weekend so players can have a run around, just don’t present an SA singlet and be so dismissive of what it represents.

"... just don't present an SA singlet and be so dismissive of what it represents."

Unfortunately the participation award BSA attitude has been in place for a while.

This event is not what has and is still being promoted. It's BSA fraud.

Same amount of teams picked....
but your kid got a spot when it was hard... ok boomer

Ok Boomer....wow! what a response
Congratulations, you get a trophy too.

If you think BSA are bad SA Country are a very poor third cousin in terms of HP

I think you will find BSA and SA Country are one in the same. BSA run Country.

Who's on the teams?

A tournament organised by BSA, held in SA and only has SA teams playing against each other?
So everyone wins?
Next it will be renamed the BSA World Championship

What are the suggestions for improving HP or for development tournaments? Seem like a lot of people with far superior minds in here...

Waste of time and counterproductive. Shut it down and funnel the funding back to the clubs and the state program. Set criteria for clubs to receive the funding. Shutdown CoE. CoE staff to do Talent ID, run camps and ensure clubs are delivering quality services.

Better expertise focussed on the athletes. More time for athletes to do things that actually help them develop. Less talent ID screwups. More athletes serviced.

These teams wont be quality as posted above. NT will be ultra ordinary if split up in NT1 & NT2, SA Country teams will be at a similar standard with NT likely to get a win here and there. SA metro teams will be ok, maybe a good to middle of the road district D1 club teams given they are making 2-3 teams.
With not many teams you could honestly play this tournament at Marion.

Its got air con, and Under 18 programs Metro & Country just used it for a camp.

So it's really just a glorified bunch of scrimmages. I assume they will be running all the same stuff. What about a chance for coaching development, let all the coaches run their own stuff and see what works and what doesn't. Instead of the same old shit, try something different, will piss all the experts off because apparently they know what's best for every team that comes through despite what strengths and weaknesses a squad brings. State is always trying to make a square peg go in a round hole.

So it's just SA playing SA?

Hopefully everyone still gets a trophy?

"These events were designed to give both Metro and Country players, coaches and officials a development opportunity that will hopefully improve and raise the standard of everyone involved."

Under a rock is a fitting name. That is not the sole purpose of why the event was put on. It was, and is still being advertisied as a replacement for Country Cup, Southern Cross and East Coast. SA v SA is not a replacement for those events. It's the same kids playing against the same kids and paying an additional fee to do it. In a state uniform no less. At a privately run venue for profit, and even worse referees are expected to attend without payment.

This just gets worse and worse for BSA as more facts come out. A complete and utter failure by the organisation, but what else should we expect. They just keep going from bad to worse.

What an absolute waste of time for coaches that give up their summer break! If it ticks a box for BSA HP then god help us

1) Coaching and refereeing is very different.

2) Maybe they shouldn't. Another issue with State programs and this event.

Just get the entire BSA office to ref games as the whole organisation is made up of refs!!

I think you use the word ref very loose when you describe that office

TECH FOUL #856!!!

Players will get nothing out of this apart from saying they played state basketball. Fine print being, no other states entered.
I still think get rid of the stale coaches. Problem is they won't be able to recruit and poach players.

#872 a para-Olympic referee and a women in sport referee. But sorry truth. You're clearly more credible

#872 a para-Olympic referee and a protege of the women in sport program. And you're calling my comments without credibility.

Oh, the kids know it but won't stop them bragging especially if the get state singlets. Then you got the parents, Karens will be going on about Barnabas making state. Going straight to the pool room.

Phil is one of the best referees from SA. Agreed that was unfair by the other anon.

But no disrespect to Danika, if she was Male she'd be a lowly ranked PL referee at best. She is where she is because she's female. I assume that's the reason for the comments about female participation.

Truth, because you are a ref yourself, anything you say about them is also without credibility.

Gold performance is performance. Your gender shouldn't get you a leg up if your performance doesn’t warrant it.

Truth, if you say so.
Not hard to work out who is posting.

If you wonder why young kids don't become refs, look at the nonsense posted above.

Because there is no nonsense posted about players on this site at all

If you wonder why male refs quit, look at one reason above.

Teams are listed now.

Scrap the tournament, another BSA High Performance failure.
Let families have the summer off instead of having to commit to a meaningless set of pick up games right in the middle of their holidays.
Instead, get BSA staff to go around to all venues and do stadium maintenance, pull up weeds, fix leaking roofs etc and actually do something productive for their wage, which our fees pay for.

Have the summer off. Nobody is stopping you, or anyone else.

It's a meaningless waste of time that could have been conducted on a normal weekend instead of summer holidays.

Don't waste your time with it then (more so than you already are).

Would make it really interesting to put in teams of players that weren't selected...bet you they would beat some of these "high performance" squads and expose how woeful BSA HP Boys club corrupt and political talent ID really is.

Keep dreaming.

Who is actually playing in this tournament? Just SA?

Sa metro, sa country, nt

Wa have a seperate tourney, so too nsw.

NT are not coming now are they?

North Rockets to be the third state invited.

i think there is still benefit for the country kids who struggle to get regular competition of any note. what is concerning is the extremely exorbitant costs involved. it could have also been concluded in a short time period than 5 days!

And that is the only reason the event goes ahead. That is Basketball SA modus operandi. Promote Country.

Or Women. At the additional cost of every single member in SA.

Preferably both. Especially this Comp. Manager

Country are very ordinary so a comp of any kind helps

Weird that AFL and Cricket aren't played 12 months of the year?

Weird that basketballers quit from burnout or stress related injuries before they even turn 18?

Weird that Coaches, Referees and Admin get burnout from the stress, pressure and required commitment of the sport 12 months of the year, leading to less and less quality?

Its not as simple as just playing basketball.

Weird that SA will probably still win a "historic" silver or bronze medal, claim it as a major achievement, and blame the population and facilities as being the reasons it wasn't gold.

why shouldn't they promote country and women? so you say metro males are they only group not being promoted? weird. are you suggesting this tournament is being paid for by every single member of basketball SA? i thought it was being met the parents of the participants?

Clearly you have no idea, I'm not even going to bother.

Country wont win a game at this "open run" BSA holiday fun camp!

So you just ignored all the negatives? Because in your mind there's nothing wrong with playing bball all the time.

I love ice cream but pretty sure there's plenty wrong with me having it for breakfast, lunch and dinner every day. Just because I can and I love it.

"This thread is driven by some form of jealousy. Perhaps you are being left out and are sad / mad about that."

This is true of most of the posts anonymous posters to this forum. Cept this post.

Not jealous at all. If my child was in this age group and got an invite we would have happily declined.

I'm sorry you know so little about kids club sport that you think its all that simple.

My ice cream comparison was actually quite perfect really. Just because kids love to play basketball doesn't mean its good for them or their families to do so 24/7.

Still ignoring all the issues that creates, the costs, the referees, coaches and admin commitments.

But just let them play is the only response you have and it's actually ridiculous.

Dismissing valid comments around the commitment levels we ask of children in our sport, especially children selected in high performance programs, is narrow minded.

I'm not saying the AIC holds no value, (I'm also not saying it does), but it's a valid question to ask.

"Country won't win a game"....?
Not sure what happened at the Nationals a couple of years ago when the Country 16 Boys played off for the Bronze medal?
And the stacked Metro 16 Boys dream team, full of COE, Aus Campers and an Australian rep imploded and flopped to 8th under current BSA HP Manger Scott Butlers coaching?
Sit down, shut up and pull your head in.

Wow. Never looked into a SA topic b4 and now I know why.

Yea Bro absolute circus over here
Problem is, the clowns are running the show

Sixers, but no fit athletic junior is doing just that.

Add to the 1 game and 2 trainings a week so 3.5 hours of basketball (plus travel),
Tournaments every long weekend of up to 5 or 6 games in 3 days,
their college/high school commitment of trainings/game a week,
School Basketball Tournaments, Nationals
Interstate/Overseas Tours
their HP commitment of 1-2 training plus indis,
then state trials, trainings, scratch matches
then possible NBL1 training
and lastly their commitment in their own time at home, at lunch at school, social ball with mates, shooting at the local ring etc.

Yes I'm sure the answer will be they do all that by choice, but drop one and you're blacklisted and won't ever make State get dropped to Div 3 or you'll be required to change school and/or club.

12 months a year, year after year some of the elite kids started playing at 7. Or with Domestic Leagues even younger.

Then add in a bad coach, or a good coach with high expectations, added trainings, weights, fitness sessions. Or a difficult/negative parental group, or team mates you just can't get along with. But have to be around all that time all year round, year after year.

Not to mention US College tapes, Scouts etc.

Then add in they might be an AFL, Soccer or Netball athlete. Or go to a sport specialist school where they'd be required to play another sport if their athletic enough to be at that level.

When do they get a social life? Time for homework, focus on studies? Family holidays? All around their basketball commitments. Have a guess why so many girls quit as they get to 13, hit highschool and social peer pressure hits.

The burden on a player, their whole family (both in time, pressure, expectation and money) is extreme.
I'm more surprised any survive what the system forces kids to go through to "just play".

got to love how "athlete burn out" is due to everyone and everything else but not the athlete. the no responsibility generation.

Just for context, approx. how many of the 12 months did SA athletes have the opportunity to play and train in 2020?

#597 that's in every sport. Would you like some tissues? In 2020 no one has dome any of that.

Metro

http://www.basketballsa.com.au/high-performance/tournaments-and-tours/under-14-adelaide-invitational-challenge-teams

http://www.basketballsa.com.au/high-performance/tournaments-and-tours/under-15-adelaide-invitational-challenge-teams

http://www.basketballsa.com.au/high-performance/tournaments-and-tours/under-16-adelaide-invitational-challenge-teams

http://www.basketballsa.com.au/high-performance/tournaments-and-tours/under-18-adelaide-invitational-challenge-teams





Country

https://websites.sportstg.com/get_file.cgi?id=36761851

https://websites.sportstg.com/get_file.cgi?id=36760468

18s not out yet.

unfortunately, to be elite and if you have a desire to make basketball your job it is a sport that requires an extremely high level of commitment year on year. i get it that very few will achieve that goal but there are seemingly many who want to give it their best shot of achieving it. comparing it to football may not be the st example as that is a sport where numerous have shown you can not have even played the sport for most of your adolescence and young adulthood but cross over and make it your profession. No one has done that with basketball. perhaps rather than look at football as a comparison looking at another sport. swimming comes to mind as an extremely high commitment level required to reach the elite level ie olympics and worlds. it is simple though, if your child doesnt want to commit or you dont want them too then dont no one is forcing you.

Agree with #602 but even in AFL at the elite junior levels it isn't just 6 months a year. They have endless camps, training sessions etc If you’re playing TAC Cup for example you get about 8 week away from the club a year but in that 8 weeks you still have to do individuals so you come back in shape. Elite sport is a commitment

Metro teams seem as though they have enough for 3 teams per age group whilst country are going with 2 teams of 9?
I would assume country dont have sufficient numbers across the board?
Can see this being a training run for the metro teams!

there are three country teams in under 14 boys. im sure it is a numbers thing in other age groups. perhaps it drops away as parents have understanding of he cost after being involved in under 14 the previous year!

Metro coaching line up looks the best its looked in years. 95% of the country coaches I've never heard of so cant really comment on their coaching line up.

On a serious point about drop off after 14s, it's that age kids probably have to specialize at a sport and most boys go to footy full time, some just use summer seasons to get fitness work in. West used to have some good athletes, but because you knew they wouldn't play winter, you put them in lower divs. Then the parents would have a whinge, why is their son playing div 3 or 4.

The problem is not doing too much. It is that some of us parents feel obliged to commit our kids to a pathway with substandard coaching, talent ID and leadership in this state to the detriment of the development of the children. Just look at most of the older guys "making it" and the coaches that REALLY help them. It has nothing to do with this rubbish. This stuff is just a distraction from the things that matter for the kids and takes up their valuable time that could be spent actually getting better.

How often do kids that "make it" boycott this stuff, get cut from it, or don't make it until the 11th hour when the AIS or BA sees them then suddenly they get picked locally?

It is for fools by fools.

^ exactly. High performance programs have to justify their existence with rubbish like this. Majority of the kids will never make it. Good argument is you don't know if you don't try. That's where clubs come in. They should be ones doing development, it's in their interest.

"How often do kids that "make it" boycott this stuff, get cut from it, or don't make it until the 11th hour when the AIS or BA sees them then suddenly they get picked locally?"

Not very often.

If you want to really know how disgraceful the BSA HP talent ID is, Olbrich from the Tigers never played Nationals. Never competed for SA Metro at a National tournament.
Word is he's off to the NBA Global Academy.
That’s gross negligence from those employed at BSA High Performance, Basketball Australia should come in and seize control of the program.

635, talk to the athletes and their families. It is actually most of the time in SA.

637, name some then. I'm not saying the high performance program is the reason for kid's success - just pointing out you're categorically incorrect in your assertion.

636, I have nothing but respect for the young man (knowing him personally), but assuming that anyone was a great player several years ago because they are a great player now, frankly, is moronic. He had potential, was extremely coachable and worked his tail off to get where he is now. It's also obvious he would have played this year, were it not for Covid. As a bottom-ager among a very talented top-age group, it's also obvious that competition for spots was tough.

It's pretty clear you both have a vendetta against BSA. I get that and actually agree with a lot of the points you make, but shitposting like this completely negates that to the point that nobody actually cares about your perspective.

Olbrich is 6'10", averages 25+pts a game and just led the Tigers to the State Champs/Grand Final titles.
He has never played Nationals because he didn’t play for a big inner city club. Everyone knows the whole thing is corrupt, don’t try and defend it.
Some of the players that miss out is beyond belief.
Basketball is a fantastic game and should be in a position to challenge the AFL as the premier sport in this country, but all the political boys club nepotistic crap continues to keep the handbrake on.

How exactly are a few trial games vs your own State an important tournament Barry?

You're a clueless idiot, 642. I'm done reading this garbage.

No need. If you don't know then you don't know but the funny thing is Barry named at least 2 that show the corruption and nepotism in the talent ID process here.

642, until recently Olbrich was always only a fringe guy. His rapid improvement in the past 12 months is what's taken him to where he is at now. It's not that he's ever been overlooked, he just wasn't the elite player he is now. Absolutely dominated the grand final a few weeks back.

Talent ID is about the here and now and more importantly the potential and capacity for improvement.
If BSA HP couldn't see that Olbrich was going to become the player he is now, with his size, basketball IQ and the skill set he had a couple of years ago then they should be replaced by people who can.
He’s shown plenty over a long period of time.

646, correct. These programs are supposed to do talent ID and player development. Not jumping on kids when they are elite as you put it. They were supposed to actually help him get there. That is why they are funded. They almost always don't help these kids at all.

That is why events like this are an issue. They take valuable time away from the kids and their families.

644...a clueless idiot or right on the money? Maybe you are part of the boys club and it got a bit close to home.
BSA HP has lost all credibility over the years.
That's why a club like North are loading up their program, forging a new pathway where they in full control of their talent ID and development and bypassing the political swamp.
Any young promising player in this State should be looking at pathways like Transition, HPHN, CLF etc for proper development and opportunities from proper Coaches and experts.

Don't know if Olbrich is the best example of high performance failing.

Not certain but I’m pretty sure he’s been a part of the various basketball sa high performance programs for many years and made the final state squad as a second year 16s (should of made the team), a reserve in 18s as a bottom ager (unlucky but fair as the second year bigs were really good and SA got a silver), made the team in 18s as a second year and made the 20s as a bottom ager.

All sports will have stories of those overlooked making it at a later date and vice versa.

How many NBA All Star stories are there out there of players who didn’t have any of the big time college programs recruiting them such as Lillard and Curry.

Perhaps a bigger question than the SA Metro ones are why so many of the SA Country U16 team that got top 4 two years ago aren't even playing club basketball any more? 6 of the 10 don’t appear to be playing club basketball at all. I’m assuming most are playing footy but still disappointing.

661...the commitment required from Country players and their families is huge. Non stop travel from Mt Gambier Broken Hill Pt Lincoln and everywhere in between.
The time and money involved is staggering and it eventually takes a toll.
It's funny watching these Metro types taking pot shots from their privileged seats when their biggest worry is if training is at Wayville or St Clair.

Not one person has commented about training location being an issue nice try playing the victim though.

It's no doubting that country have some pockets of really talented kids, but their coaches are dreadful. The kids are way more talented than those leading them and in most cases have more of an idea.

The Country program has some fantastic Coaches
Frost Harris Stratford Millard etc and many more that are developing
Your comment is lazy and baseless.

What have they achieved compared to their metropolitan counterparts?

If that's country's four best then wow!
Never heard of Millard and Frost

Every coach that applied got a gig for country as they are struggling with numbers.

815 they are all District division 1 Coaches....they must be doing something right.

Are spectators allowed at this tournament?

It starts today right? Is there a fixture anywhere?

Metro not doing to well overall.

Dam, metro suck. Got to take into account 4 teams over 2

These games mean absolutely nothing. I'm surprised they're even bothering to keep score.

Just an excuse for BSA employees to justify their jobs for doing nothing, and a chance to promote the golden boys and girls in the systems.

Metro really suck in these games! Maybe Country are better than advertised?

U18 women
Borlase(04) - clear standout

U16 women
Gardiner(06) - clear standout

Top 3 atm

U18 men
Wyatt, Osborne, Bruce

U16 men
Dodson, sauer, morrow

Sa metro n country have no hope at nationals in the girls.
Both boys teams gae a shot

Metro that is..

There won't be any Nationals.

SA on top after day 3. Early prediction of an SA Gold making it's way back to BSA headquarters.

Any COE prospects?
Think Borlase is the only one from sa?

The fact of the matter most of the success for these athletes comes through which club environment they are in. The player development, mentoring, guidance and support they receive at club level is the greatest influence to their success and achievement outside of their own inherent capabilities and direct family support. Normally it is 1or2 individuals within the club that truly drive this in a direct, specific way for athletes.

Looking at top 5 scorers in U18s for example I note:
1. Sturt
2. North
3. North
4. Sturt
5. Sturt

It's not hard for families to figure out if they do their research and make smart decisions.

Fact as our Deputy PM states it maybe.

Fact is the matter of most success comes from the athlete themselves. Having the physical attributes, ability and attitude required to make it to the very highest level. Other factors compliment this but it varies greatly depending on the athlete as to what environment is best. As an example it should be remembered that Newley's U18 Club team didn't win a game. He's done ok for himself since.

Parents only need consider that, and also any impact on the player of moving clubs, negative or positive.

Looking at top 5 scorers in U18s boys for example I note that they all want to move to winning teams thereby diluting the competition:

1. Sturt
2. Eastern then North
3. Forestville, Woodville then north now back to woodville
4. Eastern then Sturt
5. Forestville then sturt

ahaha grabbing a single example from over 25 yrs ago to demonstrate argument. By top age, U20s Newley was one of the best in the nation. He had great coaching to support his inherent gifts and family support. It is not about how many games his club team win it was about the development.

380, no. They moved to get better. It is clearly working. Smart move. They have improved at a rate far faster than their peers.

389, are you one of them? Because if not, who do you think you are to speak for them?
Reality is you have no idea why they moved.
You're making something up to suit your argument.

OK run with that. Waste your time, energy and money. Worse still that of your child.

Good on you 402.
Keep telling yourself that champ.
Whatever makes you feel good about yourself.

Best advice for any parent is....let your kid play where they are happy..
Clubs out there will promise the world, tell you that your kid is college, COE, NBL, NBA bound if you move...that they have the best coaches etc
They are trying to poach their way to success.
Truth is these same clubs don't REALLY care about your kid...they are just trying to load up their teams and stockpile all the talent to compete in Melbourne club tournaments and in the long run it hurts SAs competition and player development, because it dilutes the overall strength of our district comp.
It’s all fools gold and if BSA were serious they would outlaw the systematic poaching tactics these clubs employ.
Great players will be great no matter what and no matter where.
Adelaides born and bred and most famous NBA player Joe Ingles isn’t from North Norwood or Sturt...he’s from Southern Tigers.
If your kid is happy in the club and team environment and keep developing their love for basketball, thats the best chance of success for a junior player.
Then the game has got them for life, not like the huge burnout and drop off after under 18s we have now.

Very well said 410.

In fairness through the majority of Ingles junior career the Tigers were one of the "big clubs"

418 I believe clubs should be given zones and/or regions to develop.
Give Centrals, Eastern and Southern their regions as they are Country based district clubs.
A lot of the Metro teams are aligned with schools... Norwood/PAC...Sturt/Cabra....North/ Nazareth which is a major advantage anyway to be able to develop players in that academy based system.
Let clubs invest in their communities, schools and neighbourhoods...get creative and productive and see how good they REALLY are at coaching and developing players....not just going to an Adelaide Invitational and poaching players from clubs they perceive as "weaker" ....there's no honour in that.

Games over the 18's and 16's were "ok" standard, nothing earth shuttering to report. Metro on top or 1-2 in all grades as expected. Both Metro and Country would resllt struggle if there was a Nationals.

Are you basing that "struggling" opinion on the bronze the metro boys won two years ago, or the silver the metro girls won?

Country would be in struggle town but they always are anyway. Metro would be around the mark IMO

Or get Scott Butler to coach the Metro boys at the Nationals again? See if he can finish higher than 8th this time...

How good is Somfai going to be???
I know she's still young but it’s like watching the 2nd coming of LJ

Imo only looks good on highlights, will be a 6'3 sf poormans Alba torrens.

Not a negative by the way.

Put in Heaps of work clearly but when ajcs come around we'll see, only 07 so bottom ager this year.

LJ is a pf/c, Lara clearly a wing. An Aussie comparison would be a rebecca Allen

She's 13, not really appropriate to talk about her on an Internet Forum!

751 US high school players are all over the internet...already have a big profile.
That's where she will be headed.

Just don't say anything negative.
A good player now, look forward to seeing what she’ll become.

Lehmann looks like the prospect to watch on the country side.

I think Somfai has Transition and HPHN overseeing her career and development....you will start to see a lot of promising young SA players take this pathway.
Smart move
The less she has to do with BSA HP, the better.

So SA HP system ain't very good?

I think most state hp programs are looking dated.

Transition, HPHN and SA HP are not mutually exclusive for SA HP athletes. They all serve different needs. Sure SA HP has many issues in SA but it has done so nice the NG era. HPHN and Transition are just filling in the holes, but are not alternative paths.

I think the quality of State HP coaches probably varies greatly between individuals in every State.

Country 15 girls doing surprising well! All other grades metro are pumping them.

I predict both somfai and Lehmann will be in the sapphires squad in 22' u15/23 u16/24 u17
It looks asthough there are 2 standout 07s per state.

Anyone have stats for the wa tournament?

960 great work
You've just handed Sturt their 2021 poaching hit list

Country 14's teams are very average to be kind. If they had one team then at least the standard would be better.
The 3 teams would be low D2 standard at very best maybe even D3.

The 14's standard is not very good. I think this is a product of our HP system.

Dont know what ladder your referring to? Metro clearly better!

"I already subscribe" You may (not sure why) but how many parents etc did just for this event. Promoted to try and make people pay for outdated service that loses huge numbers.

Does newscorp put any money into events like this or are they just capitalising on the fact there are capped spectators.

Assuming

14 09-10
16 07-08
18 05-06

Actually

14 09
15 08
16 07
18 06-05

I know some have big wraps on Lehmann after ajcs and avg 21-14-4, very high iq for her age but That pg spot is pretty jam packed in other states too. Hasn't dominated as I expected at the aic against kids her own age so far. Was outstanding against older kids at u16 nationals. Might find it tough to get a spot in future jnr n.t still I reckon even after big performances in 2021. Selection for oceanias is this year. It’s Clear tas has a couple of good 07 pgs, qld 2(seen at ajc), but nsw and vic also have a couple each.