Dazz
Years ago

No Beal = No Cats

This is getting beyond a joke.
So many times he has pulled our nuts out of the fire, but what do you do when your "go-to" guy can't be gone to?
Just not enough firepower in the team when he goes missing.

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Kobe24  
Years ago

Hindsight probably needed Jawai to play! Crocs have won this and Conlkin hasn't even been effective.

Surely Beal has a virus or something, he has been a ghost.

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Isaac  
Years ago

Every non-Perth fan in this thread:

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Kobe24  
Years ago

Isaac that is the best most on point thing I've ever seen on this forum! They have disappeared, non of the usual suspects have commented on anything!

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Poor second import = no Cats

No one to pick up the slack should (God forbid) Beal have a quiet one.

I'd love to know why they chose Prather, his agent probably sent a 10 minute highlight reel of him doing nothing but dunking.

"That's our guy!"

lawl

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CT  
Years ago

I've got a warm and fuzzy glow and this time it's not the beer.

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Kobe24  
Years ago

Swap for Ebi if your keen! ;)

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Dazz  
Years ago

Surely Beal has a virus or something, he has been a ghost
Except it was similar last time against the Crocs, he played almost the whole game for only 9 points.

The problem is we just rely too much on him.

Hindsight probably needed Jawai to play!
I honestly thought we could cover his absence, especially with no Schensy.
Probelm is they immediately move Knight back to Centre, and rely on Redhage and Wagstaff to fill the gap.
Redhage should be coming off the bench, not playing major minutes as a starter.
Hire can have great games occasionally, but mostly not. Another big game from Wagstaff tonight, but it just wasn't enough.

Damo was quite productive tonight by his standards, and Kenny is a good backup.
Problem is that our offence relies too much on Beal. We rely on him for points, we rely on him to be a threat and draw the D, and we rely on him as the go-to guy when the game is on the line and the shot-clock is expiring.

He's a great player, and everyone can have an off night, or catch a cold, problem is that when Beal sneezes the Cats get Pneumonia.

And so the question needs to be asked: Was it just another off night, a virus, or simply the defensive pressure of the Crocs?

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LV  
Years ago

Agree that Beal is definitely right up there as being as important to his team as just about any other individual in the competition.

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Dazz  
Years ago

Poor second import = no Cats

No one to pick up the slack should (God forbid) Beal have a quiet one.

I'd love to know why they chose Prather, his agent probably sent a 10 minute highlight reel of him doing nothing but dunking.

Prather is doing ok, and in some respects he did "pick up the slack." But that's part of the problem. He's effectively playing the role of a backup 2/3, and that's not where you want your import.

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LV  
Years ago

But getting back to the original question. I've seen a bit of the Cats this season. The problem isn't that they don't have enough good basketball players. It's that they don't have enough guys who can do certain things. It's an unbalanced line up.

Although they aren't as bad as United last season who had a similar issue in a different area of the game.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

With the amount of cash the Cats must be pulling in, it amazes me why they can't secure a top of the line second import.

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fstos  
Years ago

Apart from a good grand final series was Beal actually ever a good import.

I have always seen him as average at best. Apart from his insipid offence tonight in which the Crocs just took away his right hand his defence was abysmal as well.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

"Apart from a good grand final series was Beal actually ever a good import."

Go back to ozhoops mate, this is as much a knee jerk reaction as I've ever seen here.

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Kobe24  
Years ago

Beal has always destroyed the 36ers with big shots, hell he was the catalyst a few weeks back with big shots when the game was tight. To say he is average is pretty lame, id kill for an import to cheer for like him every game!

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fstos  
Years ago

I have watched a lot of Cats games on TV and have paid a lot of attention to Beal (probably because he has been a cheap option in NBL DT for me) and have posted plenty well before tonight questioning his ability.

No knee jerk reaction at all. he has had the benefit of playing on a great team but since (probably early part of last season) he has been asked to become the man he is not even close to being up to it most nights.

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Kobe24  
Years ago

Easy to try make that point after his worst NBL game ever, but again, I've seen him crush my hopes in Adelaide numerous times. Usually a very cool customer under pressure.

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fstos  
Years ago

Yes he has made some big shots but his general game certainly lacks much variety. Saying he is a very good import because of his making great shots is like saying Robert Horry was a top level NBA star.

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fstos  
Years ago

Kobe 24 there are many occasions before tonight I have made this point.

Bu the way tonight was not his worst ever NBL either. Think that was last season against the Breakers(?). Very poor ball handler with no left hand and low assist and rebound stats as well.

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Kobe24  
Years ago

Great imports win rings, enough said. Id take him in a heart beat.

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fstos  
Years ago

Hawks won a ring with Matt Garrison. Great import?

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Dazz  
Years ago

Not a great player? You're kidding right?
If I had cartooning skills, I would draw you one, and it would be Beal carrying 9 other players on his shoulders.

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Kobe24  
Years ago

Yeah he was pretty solid won one with the 36ers too, but he was no where near the level of big game talent as Beal. Great player in a very boring team to watch.

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PlaymakerMo  
Years ago

I'm with you, fstos: I like Beal and appreciate that he's a pivotal player for the 'Cats, but he's only ever been solid, not great, throughout his first 2 regular seasons.

By NBL standards he's a very good shooter, an above average scorer, but doesn't provide a whole lot else that others can't.

He had a fantastic finals series in 2014 and most forgot that he was very much a role player with Ennis, Martin etc leading the team for the majority of the season.

Perth's roster is unbalanced if Martin, Kenny etc don't hit a reasonable percentage of their jump shots and nobody else can routinely create scoring opportunities (other than 1v1 post ups).

I can't comment on tonight's game, but Perth definitely rely on Beal too much: once you take away his space and force his drive laterally he's noticably less effective.

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Isaac  
Years ago

He seemed to be having a good season to me. 7th in the league in scoring before tonight, but percentages have been down.

Would've described him as an above average import, as is anyone able to keep their job.

By NBL standards he's a very good shooter, an above average scorer, but doesn't provide a whole lot else that others can't.
There are other imports suffering more criticism or not sticking in the league, so he must be providing something others aren't...

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He's got the best nickname in the league. He's a keeper.

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Luuuc  
Years ago

Threads get silly in a hurry don't they. I don't recall too many people claiming Beal was league MVP material or the ultimate unstoppable go-to guy.
He's a more than solid player, who unfortunately shoulders way too much load for the Cats atm due to our other personnel deficiencies.

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Wildcats views  
Years ago

A wrote a little about Beal and the stagnant offense

http://wildcatsviews.com/2015/11/04/perth-wildcats-vs-crocs-it-happened-again/

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Kr  
Years ago

Thanks for the video wildcats views, I can see how wildcats fans are going to blame Conklin and his flailing arms for the Damo incident.

But hire and wagstaff are aggressively double teaming him trying to force a turnover, just as Conklin is aggressively trying to maintain possession for his team. He gets fouled by hire and Damo does what he has made a career out of sneaking in as the third man trying to get the steal. Very unfortunate incident but hardly intentional by Conklin.

Hope Damo is ok, he was their spark in the third quarter when both teams lifted the intensity on d, which was a great passage of play to watch, along with Henry forcing three turnovers in three plays for the crocs.

And how about a little credit for the crocs, they played great basketball in the second half, you don't outwork and out rebound the best rebounding team in the comp by accident.

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LV  
Years ago

Since when was Beal a "role player" in 2014? I would have categorised him as a "star" on a championship winning team.

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LV  
Years ago

He did finish equal 8th in the league in scoring that year. Not bad for a role player.

Has definitely been an above average import in the NBL. Whether that continues with this season's crop of imports remains to be seen but his efforts in Hawks 1 suggest he is.

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MACDUB  
Years ago

Unfortunately, the "Dolla" last night was a counterfeit.

Every import has a nightmare game every now and then so no harm. Can remember some of Jackson's horror shooting nights (which can be often) - but he is saved because of his assist and rebounding numbers.



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PlaymakerMo  
Years ago

Isaac, I wasn't criticizing Beal or making a case against his ability to play in the NBL: 3 years in the league and counting speaks for itself. He's just best suited as a role-player, IMO.

LV, you're making my point for me...

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PeterJohn  
Years ago

I think MACDUB's comparison is interesting. Jackson is a below average shooter but he makes the team much better with his play-making, defence and rebounding. Beal is a shooter and he needs to shoot well to open up the game for his team mates. If he doesn't shoot well, Perth's overall performance suffers accordingly. To me, he doesn't really have a strong second string to go to, whereas Jackson has several.

That said, Beal's been a consistent outside threat for the past one and a half seasons. In 2014, he was under a little pressure early in the season, from Perth fans, but his second half to the season and his GF performances won them over. Last season, he was pretty consistent and won a few games with his good shooting in end games. Rather than call him a role player, I'd call him a specialist shooter.

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Jack Toft  
Years ago

Isaac, when are you putting like buttons on posts? MJ was a classic

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Basket Hanger  
Years ago

Was it my imagination or did Trevor Gleeson look uninterested for parts of the game?

If the 36'ers were to show Townsvilles grit and determination that would make them a much tougher proposition.

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paul  
Years ago

Beal is an inconsistent player, Perth have won consistently in his time here, so I'm not sure the premise of this thread holds much water.

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Luuuc  
Years ago

Beal came up huge in the 2014 grand final, so maybe some people's opinions are a bit biased by that. Prior to that, there had been debate all season about his quality. He has never consistently been a guy who can go solo and take over a game. Every now & then he'll get loose on a team, but it has never been the norm for him. But he was very efficient as a role player alongside Ennis, hitting 3s at 43%

Last season his minutes were up very high, he had to put up more shots, and his percentages went down. That pattern has continued into this season, not surprisingly.
The guy is a workhorse though. He gets very little rest in close games and I'm always amazed that he has anything left in the tank down the stretch. Our lack of guard depth takes further toll on his efficiency. And when things stagnate, as they often do for the cats, it's often Beal left with the ball and forced to try to make a play on his own (especially this season, with Damo having missed so much basketball)

But in a nutshell, people should assess Beal over the whole of his work, and not just get carried away right after one of his worst games in a long time. Say what you want about how good he is compared to other NBL imports - that is certainly up for debate - but his importance to the Wildcats is definitely large. The original "No Beal = No Cats" premise of this thread has some truth IMO. But that shouldn't reflect badly on Beal, that's more due to the composition of the team and the style of basketball we play. A guy with his skill set should not be forced to carry so much of the scoring load, and ideally no one on the team should have his playing time load.
He plays the most minutes per game in the league. (*other than Childress, who played just the 1 game)

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paul  
Years ago

The Wildcats have won numerous games the past three seasons with Beal struggling, but I think what they often rely on is that spurt from Beal where he hits three or four shots in a row, it really clicks their game into gear.

They know he's probably going to shoot a bad percentage the rest of the game, but that burst has a big impact and often forces teams to change the way they're defending.

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Nathan of Perth  
Years ago

With Beal having a down game we really needed Jawai in.

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ROFLcopter  
Two years ago

Bump....for Dazz :P

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FSTOS  
Two years ago

And people used to pay me out for saying he was a very overrated chucker who got lucky in a few big games.

Nice to read over my old posts and know I was somewhat vindicated...maybe more than somewhat.

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Dazz  
Two years ago

WTF?

Beal won two rings with us, and we wouldn't have done it without him.
Not sure what went wrong for him at Brissy.

Is Cotton better?
Overall, I'll give it a couple more games just to sure he's overcome his early inconsistency.

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FSTOS  
Two years ago

Beal was way over rated. Sure he was there and got lucky on some big nights but his game to the eye test was very limited.

I've said it for a long time. Chucker who got lucky.

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FSTOS  
Two years ago

So your waiting to see if Cotton overcomes inconsistency to see if he is better than Beal who is close to the most inconsistent player I have ever seen.

LOLOLOL..fanboi Beal glasses on

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Did someone just ask if Cotton is better? Than BEAL?????

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ROFLcopter  
Two years ago

I think so.

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Dazz  
Two years ago

ucking tupid wat n teroids?

Cotton has played 12 games, and for a few of those he was clearly adjusting. Plus he's played exactly 1 finals game.So why wouldn't anyone with an ounce of sense simply wait till he finishes the season before making pronouncements on his omnipotence?

Beal won two rings for us. That remains an impressive record.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Dazzed 2 years ago was wrong.

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leungtl  
Two years ago

Other than physical strength, I can't think of a single aspect of Beal's game that would be better than Cotton's...

Would still be a very handy player in this league if he naturalised though.

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Green 53  
Two years ago

Beal didn't win 2 rings for us he won them with us.

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