Was it at Pasadena and favouring the blue team ?

2 minutes in and starts whinging. T sounds good especially if the other 2 or 3 calls in the game had received too much noise after the call.

FM, Don't think you read the post properly. Didn't raise his voice, wasn't abusive and definitely didn't whinge. Questioned a call very calmly without a raised voice and with no previous warnings a tech. Seriously if the ref didn't like being questioned he could of just warned the player. Then for the rest of the game both sides got away with much more serious language with no penalties. Just get sick of these Refs who believe they are bigger than the game and answer to no one.

No name of teams involved, no venue, no time.

Ever think the ref didn't want to do that game for a myriad of reasons however no one else would do it. 2 minutes in player wants to look at them oddly, that would be enough for most refs.

If I punch a player, do I need a warning or should I be ejected.

If I abuse a ref why does the population think they need a warning. Warnings are there as a in-between for a punishment versus no punishment. Also covers situations which might be above the level of the players, eg reaching over the end line. Needs a warning in kids basketball, I wouldn't warn an adults game.

You state the rest of the game. Ever thought at timeout refs discuss stuff and adjust accordingly. If the poor ref just come off a crap game with whinging parents, coaches etc and then cops this crap 2 minutes in, good call. Next time the two get together they discuss how pissed they were, mention probably a bit harsh and thats it.

Because some of the great old refs are deceased I won't mention names but a few would have no hesitation at calling a tech 10 seconds into the game for something simple as saying nicely "what, the foul is on me?" They refereed every level in the world but if you got them on their bad day, it was your bad luck. Others use to let all hell break lose and only call disqualifying fouls and call the game off. No techs called at all.

Instead of posting this on forums, should educate the kid who was T'd up this early in the game. Likely needs a good role model and supportive family figure.

I'm guessing a certain female ref at Hilcrest? Known for slanging our techs for so much as a whisper. If so, she’s the one with the temper who can’t be controlled.

Not too many years ago umpires communicated with coaches and players. Explanation, chat and even a bit of a laugh. Mutual respect.

Haines, Durant, Welbourn all good examples.

Unfortunately that appears to be a lost art.

Players, coaches and parents have absolutely zero respect for referees these days and comparing referees to those older referees is completely pointless as these referees are most likely under the age of 25. How were your communication skills at 17? Especially with 10+ adults, who should know better might I add, screaming at you? These referees are out there learning every single game. They are generally thrown out in the deep end or made to do 3-4 games a night due to the lack of numbers because of players and parents like the ones you are describing screaming abuse. How would you like to spend your Friday night be abused for 3+ hours? Yeah I'd like to think you have something better to do as well.
Maybe reconsider the way you and your children and their team speak and treat referees and then have something to say. Next time you go to a game consider how you’d feel if it was your child being screamed at by a stranger and if someone is screaming abuse maybe tap them on the shoulder and let them reconsider their choices as well. Otherwise go play tennis or golf or find something else better to do with your time then abuse referees.

The respect given to referees has dropped off at the same decline their ability to call a game, communicate with players/coaches and general attitude has dropped.

Why would you expect to be shown a huge amount respect when you're clearly going through the motions most the time and show no interest in earning the dollars you’re getting to be there.

I remember in juniors most the referees being able to communicate with the most volatile players and coaches, and explain why they made a call. Generally they wouldn’t Agree after, but they would at least be able to step back and see the others perspective. That doesn’t happen anymore. Subsequently the players and coaches get angrier and verbally abuse the refs eventually. It’s no shock.

Doesn’t help the refs are being told to call some terrible stuff, or when they stuff up the people who are meant to teach them better don’t do a thing.

And the age part is ridiculous. How old do you think the likes of Welbourn and others happened to be 15 years ago when they acted relatively the same, if not better, than they do today.

Hell you've got guys like Darren out at hilcrest starting the trash talk. Yet throwing techs out as soon as somebody responds to his obvious baiting.

It’s not just young refs screwing up, it’s a great deal of these older refs who only seem to have a job due to a lack of any other identifiable talent to fill the void.

"questioning a non call" means he got in the refs face for no reason, possibly whilst the game was still in progress.

"during the first 2 minutes"
So the game has barely started, and already this kid is giving attitude??

And who knows, maybe this kid is a repeat offender, and his coach doesn't pull him into line.

AD I think Killer is saying there was no call made, and that the player was questioning why it wasn't called. You know, when you get fouled and the ref says play on.

Go to any game today and listen to the refs constantly tell the defence to keep hands out or something for an entire play then not call the foul when the offensive player goes for a shot, or makes a pass. Why make 100 verbal warnings if no foul is being made. That kicks off everyone’s tempers in the first play of the game, then it spirals downward.

How are referees not to blame for their own actions?

You surely don't get a steak at a restaurant and ask to speak to the chefs old head chef about how this current chef has managed to send out a great piece of meat well done when you asked for medium rare!

In other words. No one person is to blame, but everyone plays a part.

Especially the adult refs who've been around long enough to know better

Didn't say that it means they’re good. Clearly said they should know better.

There were no abusive parents from both sides this game, actually very calm. Yep point taken from previous poster that this particular Ref could have been treated badly the game before. Yes also both Refs were as young as the u18s playing so also point taken they are probably thrown in the deep end and umpiring higher than they should. U18 Div 1 Men would ideally have at least 1 experienced Ref officiating and show some consistency, let the really minor contact go and let the game flow. Anyhow in this particular incident a warning would have sufficed. Previous poster, nothing to do with Hillcrest or a certain lady there.

I also acknowledge it's a very difficult job which requires really deep skin for the abuse they cop. I just would like maybe a bit more communication and respect from the Refs towards the players and also vice versa. I'm sure this would improve relations from both sides of the fence.

So it sounds like Woodville got a crap call at Pasadena.
No Surprise that it happened there.
"If" a ref had a bad previous game and got abused (deserved or not), surely UIC should have spoken to him/her and suggested they put it aside and start again.
Hopefully not advised to 'take control' in next instance.
A little communication during a game can go a long way and as previously mentioned, the Ref won't change a call, but their version of the incident could go a long way to better understanding and respect.
Should a ref be tired and emotional after a hectic night, a change to rosters seems to be a simple solution surely

What I am referring to was a previous comment 'suggesting' refs may be covering 3-4 games and it was alluded that constant abuse may lead to some ‘strange’ calls.
I suggested a rest, preferably having 1 game off, not replacing the Ref during a game. That would be a stupid move.
I simply agreed with Ingles13 that it may have been a game at Pasadena which Killer referred to.
Not cheats, just many dubious calls made.

I think Killer mentioned that there was no abuse, no raised voice, just a query THEN the Tech Foul
Tough job umpiring any sport with 2 teams playing. Never going to please them all.

Hanging Round & Ingles 13. I purposely haven't named the venue or the teams as i thought it may identify a young referee doing a touch job. But one thing guys it wasn't Pasadena as Ingles 13 has wrongly alluded to. All I'm saying here is that I'd like to see an older more experienced Ref doing 18-1s and maybe mentoring the younger Ref into not making silly soft calls at this level. Too often this season we have had to many young kids umpiring this level and they are out of their depth. Not their fault, they are rostered that way which is unfair on them and puts them under too much pressure.