Jack Toft
Earlier this year

Melbourne v Perth GF game 2 - Game Day Thread

Jack Toft:
I believe that if life gives you lemons, you should make lemonade... And try to find somebody whose life has given them vodka, and have a party. It was no party for Melbourne last night in the first game after a tight first half, Melbourne tried to squeeze some lemons but all they got was juice in their eyes. A 14 to 31 third quarter saw them succumb to the mighty Perth Wildcats

Bryce Cotton tried to keep United in the game with a 0/9 performance outside the arc, but Terrico White missed the memo with a best on court performance surely attracting the attention of the Larry Sengstock Super Six.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

The conventional logic says Melbourne will rebound, and HCA will win out.

Much will depend on what Perth have left in the tank. Cotton should shoot better, but he also played big minutes.

Can Wagstaff carry his 2nd half confidence over?
Can Stiendl get going offensively?

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LV  
Earlier this year

Interesting tidbit from the NBL match preview

Nick Kay has the best +/- in the league this season. McCarron is 2nd

That has to give us United fans reason for optimism because it was only after McCarron went off due to woeful refereeing that Perth took control of Game 1

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Be interesting to see how many illegal screens Brandt gets away with ;)

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

"Be interesting to see how many illegal screens Brandt gets away with ;)"

And how many legal screen Jervis gets called for

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Feeling more relaxed about this one as a Cats fan. It always feels like a bit of free swing when you're the away side. Lots of pressure on Melbourne today, lose this and its pretty much series over.

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Hogwash  
Earlier this year

How many times will we hear about "woeful refereeing".

Heal commentating now that's woeful.

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Timberball  
Earlier this year

Wildcats just posted a video about their travel over to Melbourne and Norton was asked about the time of game/time difference. He said it doesn't concern them as they normally train at about 11am so their bodies are ready for work.

Compare that to Melbourne coming West, they are starting a game at 10.30pm. Not sure if it matters, Just interesting.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Grand finals feature the best teams and the best refs. Why not the best commentary team?

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D2.0  
Earlier this year

Personally, I don't want to see this series go to 5 games.
It probably will, most GF series go the distance, I'd just prefer it didn't.

This game will be interesting to see how teams backup, after a relatively short break.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

I wish bryce nailed that first three

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3000  
Earlier this year

I can't hear ya! I say what's, what's cooler than being cool?
Bryce Cold!
Alright alright alright alright alright alright alright alright alright alright alright alright alright alright alright alright

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

United starters vs Cats bench is not going well for Perth much to everyone's surprise

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Money Makin Mish McCarron  
Earlier this year

Bryce is not cold

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rjd  
Earlier this year

Why do they persist with this moronic play-by-play commentator?

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Money Makin Mish McCarron  
Earlier this year

'Personally, I don't want to see this series go to 5 games.
It probably will, most GF series go the distance, I'd just prefer it didn't.'

Lol y not tho

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

United doing a way better job this game of looking after the ball. To have only 2 TO at this stage is brilliant.

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Red74  
Earlier this year

Mute tv. Done

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Bloody heal - why every bloody game

"Oh my" and “superstar” is just said to much

He is such a tool.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

that's the real reason his nickname is hammer

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

At least it's not Dwayne Russell commentating

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Perthworld  
Earlier this year

"Trifecta"

""

It's sickening.

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Perthworld  
Earlier this year

For some reason it hid what I wrote re: Heal's incessant hype about players he manages.

He actually was talking up Henare earlier, is there a link to him or just no one on these two teams he can promote?

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Money Makin Mish McCarron  
Earlier this year

Terrico is so strong <3

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

fuck you vague you useless prick

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

United up despite Ware having a massive donut to half time. There is no way that continues so cats will soon be in a world of hurt.

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Perthworld  
Earlier this year

Ware looks off.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Melbourne again beating Perth in the possession game with more rebounds, more steals and less turnovers

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Mock  
Earlier this year

A dopey interview going into half time

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Why is ware still on court?
Taking stupid shots like that he should be on the bench

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Cats for life  
Earlier this year

Lv you ok? All good for you so far? Or Ware didn't get enough fouls called? Watch how cotton get's held. And let me know.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

According to the box score melbourne have more offensive rebounds than perth.
Perth had 3 possessions that half where they got 3 rebounds in the one play yet stats have them down as 8. They have at least 10.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

It's another poor game with guys missing wide open shots, just shows how far behind the top leagues in the world the nbl is

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Hogwash  
Earlier this year

Heal still tipping a Melbourne title.
What a muppet

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Yes Heal again, annoying, I'm sick of the BS re only one import, Perth Aussie players are better than most imports.
Get the trigger and wortho as commentators.

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Flop Warning  
Earlier this year

Cats must be feeling lucky to still be in the contest, playing against the greatest team in NBL history*


*As voted by random anons on the internet

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Red74  
Earlier this year

Vickerman contracted next year? As a Perth fan, I'd love to sign him!

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

How was that not called out of bounds by Boone with the ref standing right next to him

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

So many of Melbourne's points have come off drive and dishes under the ring, ffs start defending it better Cats

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Timberball  
Earlier this year

Brandt Melbourne's best player so far

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J  
Earlier this year

Kennedy with a little hook, gets the and 1...

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J  
Earlier this year

Kay contact in the side, no call, Norton in front get called for an and 1...

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Love the Perth time-out "We can't allow lay-ups and dunks in transition"....
Next 3 scores are lay-ups

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J  
Earlier this year

A 1 second jump ball

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Down 14, need to go on a little run before 3QT... yeah lets sub in Vague

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

good sub... offensive foul on transitiom

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Vague you spud

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Perth Wilburs  
Earlier this year

Need to collapse the defence. Pick up the energy and rebound the ball.

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Steve  
Earlier this year

I wish someone would move the microphone away from Vickerman.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

"Heal still tipping a Melbourne title.
What a muppet"

I'm still tipping a Melbourne title as well. What's the issue with that?

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Perthworld  
Earlier this year

Heal still tipping a Melbourne title.
What a muppet

He has always hated Perth. Homicide has nothing on the original hater.

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Money Makin Mish McCarron  
Earlier this year

lol Vague

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Perthworld  
Earlier this year

I think his point was no matter what Heal will always tip against Perth.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Oh no. J found this thread. I was hoping he would keep his crying to the other one.

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Perthworld  
Earlier this year

Ware still cold. 1/11.

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J  
Earlier this year

Cotton nailed, mccaron throws it out, gets the call

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Money Makin Mish McCarron  
Earlier this year

This is Perth Arena levels of home cooking

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

United bench has combined +- of +1. Perth has -10. You can't win a long series with a bench that poor.

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J  
Earlier this year

I Guess flopping is rewarded.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

I don't want to sound like LV or J, but gees they are using a different set of rules for each tean

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J  
Earlier this year

Goulding with a massive flop, gets the call.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Vague redeeming himself a bit this quarter

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LV  
Earlier this year

United getting better of refs

Just like Perth Friday

Very gitting that McCarrons gone to line twice on non existent fouls

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LV  
Earlier this year

Fitting*

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Money Makin Mish McCarron  
Earlier this year

National Home Cooking League

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Refs killed what was shaping into an exciting 4th quarter. Goulding and ware flopped on about 4 straight plays.

NBL has been pumping that 30 of the last 33 won at home or something like that. There's a reason.

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Red74  
Earlier this year

Wildcats playing shite. Cotton playing his own game. United defence too good. Looks like they are playing with heaps of freedom and shots are sinking. Gleeson sticking with plan A still.....

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Throw in the towel Trev, give the starters a rest

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Timberball  
Earlier this year

Ref's have been pathetic but the near 20 difference in rebounding numbers is the reason the cats are getting killed.
I expect the ref's to swap the blue whistle for the red one on Friday.

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Perthworld  
Earlier this year

I'll throw in a razor with the towel.

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Money Makin Mish McCarron  
Earlier this year

Lelrico

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D2.0  
Earlier this year

It's often said, in NBL & AFL, that the third quarter is the "Championship Quarter." Not sure why it is so, but thats the way it often turns out.

In a close fight, you can't get rolled like that and expect to come back. Perth did it on Friday, now Melbourne have reciprocated.

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Money Makin Mish McCarron  
Earlier this year

lol Perfworld

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Perthworld  
Earlier this year

Highest attended first two games of a GF series (cumulative) since '97.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Why is an old damo out there, surely you give him as much rest as possible and don't risk an injury. Throw in a DP.

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Money Makin Mish McCarron  
Earlier this year

Let's go Venky

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D2.0  
Earlier this year

Where's that 3rd import when we need him? ;-)

What I don't understand is that they said they wanted to back their existing players, then announced Hire's retirement, and since then Hire (who had been playing his role well) has done SFA and barely been used.??

Did He & Trev have a falling out?

We've been absolutely smashed on the boards, so why not give our best rebounder role-player a go?
Instead persists in playing small-ball?

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Refs 2 - 0 spectators

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Timberball  
Earlier this year

Was Brandt injured? Saw no time in the 4th. He was playing crap but have to go with the starters... Not vague

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Hogwash  
Earlier this year

As long as United win I don't see LV having a problem with refereeing.

Perth lost credit to Melbourne this game (like game 1) wasn't decided by refereeing.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

"United getting better of refs

Just like Perth Friday"

So can we expect 700 posts from you complaining about the home cooking that Melbourne got today?

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

It's funny, Larry taking no chances and the refs have been raping us from the tip-off, but Melbourne did not need any help.

Melbourne are going to take the series, with or without the refs help, simply because Perth's bench is crap.

You can't win a 5 game series relying on only your starters

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Timberball  
Earlier this year

As a Cats fan I don't blame the ref's for that one, a lot of calls were shit but it was the offensive boards that were the difference

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Perth Wilburs  
Earlier this year

Didn't rebound the ball. That's a massive loss. Got smashed in every aspect of the game. Shocking performance. Can't recover from that. Melbourne to win 3-1. Series is all over.

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Cats for life  
Earlier this year

That call when Goulding's hair went out of place and got the foul changed the game. Perth didn't to play to win, don't care what people say. Biggest 2 markets you would think it would go minimum 4 game's.

Next Sunday perth will be different.

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LV  
Earlier this year

Great game United. Hustle was ferocious. Hit the boards with intensity- DJ set the tone on that early.

Casper and United continue to defend Cotton superbly. Perth's role players didn't get going like Friday either.

Possession game is huge in this series. Better decision making with the ball denied Perth the opportunity to score cheap points.

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B  
Earlier this year

"As a Cats fan I don't blame the ref's for that one, a lot of calls were shit but it was the offensive boards that were the difference"

Rebounds was pretty much the reason, didn't crash when cats needed to and when they did, it was a long rebound.
Wildcats were picking up momentum getting within 7 but a few iffy calls created the window for Goulding and ware to nail those huge 3s. Game was done after those shots.

I will be very interested to see how refs shape up for game 3 though, they fell for a lots of head flops that on replay stick out a lot. I expect a lot to be let go next week.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Much better game than the first, refs didn't decide either game. Melbourne bench better today where as Perth better on Friday. Barlow back to better form.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

"Great game United. Hustle was ferocious. Hit the boards with intensity- DJ set the tone on that early.

Casper and United continue to defend Cotton superbly. Perth's role players didn't get going like Friday either.

Possession game is huge in this series. Better decision making with the ball denied Perth the opportunity to score cheap points. "

What about the refs?

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rjd  
Earlier this year

The players on the home teams certainly have played better than the players on the away teams in both contests, but this series has made me wonder how much refereeing adds to the home advantage. Is it so difficult to ensure referees don't favour the home team?

We didn't need home cooking to get to this series to 1-1, and it would've felt like a closer contest had the refs called each game evenly. I'd like to see the series come down to a game 5 decider, but not if the referees are required to make that happen.

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D2.0  
Earlier this year

Ultimately it was Perth's defense that let them down.
When Damo is one of your starters, we're always going to be a bit lighter than average on the offensive end, and typically its our league-leading D that keeps us in it.
That went out the window.

Jervis actually improved this game, so I don't understand why Wagtsaff, Vague, and Steindl got more minutes??

And again, Hire can do two things, defend and rebound, and we needed both.

Was Trev confused as to when game 3 is?
We should have rested the starters more last Friday, today we didn't need to.

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J  
Earlier this year

Timberball 100% correct. Boards killed perth. Refs helped make it a blowout. We were headed for a close game when mccaron got that freebie even heal said was clean. 11pt game imstead of a possible 7pt game. United may have still won, and win convincingly, but it was decided then. On a side note, do united fans enjoy goulding and wares flopping? Do you know how goulding never even gets a warning?

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Brandt not much time, probably saving his shoulders for next Friday. ::))))

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Pledger is close to the Melb MVP imo so far. Not saying he their best player, but close to most valuable. We just don't have much of an answer for him, especially when he is playing on Jervis/Vague or an undersized Kay/Wagstaff. Always gets rebounds and chip in qith some scores. Pretty handy asset for melb in the minutes he gets and can be a difference maker in 2 pretty even teams.

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D2.0  
Earlier this year

On the offensive side it was out 3-point shooting that screwed us, again.

I don't understand how we keep recruiting players to improve that, and it only gets worse?

We can't play small ball if we can't hit outside shots.

We specifically went out and recruited a 2/3 as our staring SF to improve this, and once again White has gone MIA from outside.Might as well have kept Tokoto, at least he didn't even try to hit 3's.

And why give Steindl 17 minutes when his shots aren't dropping?

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Watch and Learn kids, its all going perfectly to script.

Larry did not want Melbourne to win in 5 or even 3 games, because that would mean presenting in Perth.
So it has to be 4 games, that's the only way.

Don't believe yet? That's ok, just wait til next Friday and watch Perth get mugged by the refs, then all will be clear.

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rjd  
Earlier this year

I see someone here already wearing the NBL's new range of tin foil hat merchandise.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Lmao at # 583 Pledger please, he's a liability, especially on D

Lmao at # 585 you know we never landed on the moon either, that was all a conspiracy, say hello to the pixies at end garden for me.

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Cats for life  
Earlier this year

Surprised only 97 comments? Na not really because perth lost had they won surely the keyboard warriors ala LV would have had a hundred post just on his own.

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Very Old  
Earlier this year

Ok, now its coach time, who has set their teams up as flexibile and smart enough to significantly treak and re-treak in the weeks training between games 3 and 4, and during the game 3 and 4.

On one hand trev has the advantage as he gets a last throw on home court, on the other Dean has an entire 5 days to prep his guys to come at perth with a new look and real grit, having seen them up close for 2 games.

Meanwhile trev has to hope that his group can prevail against whatever new gets thrown at them in game 3, if not, he really has to pull a rabbit VERY quickly out of the hat on the sunday with travel in between.
I think its melboune's advantage ATM.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Damo. Time to retire. Legend undoubtedly. Time to retire.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

What brand neck brace will Goulding wear this week. Gotta rest those muscles

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

"Damo. Time to retire. Legend undoubtedly. Time to retire."

yeah was good 48 hours ago but is now not nbl standard

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Surprised at the naivety of some.

Melbourne is Larry's team, Fact.
Larry controls the League and therefore the refs, Fact.
Refs so flagrantly (and unnecessarily) favoured Melbourne even LV was struck dumb, Fact.

But sure, go on believing its all coincidence.

As I said, wait and see what happens on Friday.
If Perth don't get mugged by the refs, I'll shut up.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Disclosure. I'm a breakers fan.

Perth moan about refs, yet get more ref love than the rest of the league combined.

Get over yourselves.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

"If Perth don't get mugged by the refs, I'll shut up."
PLease make that true.

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rjd  
Earlier this year

So conspiracy-theorist anon, the home cooking in Perth was just part of Larry's plan for a blowout Perth win in game 1?

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

#608 I hope you have a good lawyer because if anyone wanted too you could easily be done with defamation as a start

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LV  
Earlier this year

Larry bought the league in 2015

Letting United get swept in the 2016 semis and miss the playoffs in 2017 was all part of his evil plan too.....

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

In fairness, his CEO was silly enough to hire a substandard coach, not all plans are fool proof ;-)

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

LK is a reptilian and has the refs controlled like string puppets, but with his telepathic powers. He requires a game 4 win as the number 4 has cosmic signify and will open a stargate portal for players like Cadee to exit the league and be dumped in another dimension, alongside giving him cheap shipping for First Ever to be sold intergalactically.

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Hogwash  
Earlier this year

Lol At #626

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AngusH  
Earlier this year

I can confirm #630's post as entirely factual.

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Senator11  
Earlier this year

Defamation, bahahahahahaha.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

LMAO at those pretending that LK is the first time the League has interfered and pushed for contrived results.

Anybody who has watched this league for a while has witnessed games of unbelievably biased reffing.
So I suppose there are a few possible explanations for this:
A) The refs are shit, make hundreds of bad calls every game, and it is simply happenstance when they all go one way in a critical game.
B) The refs are biased in favour or against certain teams, and allow that to impact their reffing, but those biases may change and even reverse from game to game.
C) The refs are cooperating to bet on the games and then affecting the outcomes and spread.
D) The refs don't like getting yelled at by crowds and so engage in home cooking. But may from time to time stop home cooking and in fact favour the visiting team.
E) The refs are dependent on the league for their livelihood, perks, and prestige and so obey directions given by the league, and the league has a vested interest in outcomes they consider to be in the league's best interest.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

^^^^
Give it a rest, what an absolute load of shite.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

I do recall a year when a Victorian team looked headed for an unexpected championship. Unfortunately the NBL had recently decided but not yet announced to sanction the club for massive salary cap rorting. Clearly, letting them win, then being forced to strip them of their title, would have been a major embarrassment for the league.

Instead the team got totally screwed over by the refs and lost the last two games. Actually there were even rumours the coach had been told to lose the last game.

In fairness the result was the same either way, it just looked a lot better that way.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

It's not rigged, the refs just suck

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Luuuc  
Earlier this year

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Money Makin Mish McCarron  
Earlier this year

'I believe that if life gives you lemons, you should make lemonade... And try to find somebody whose life has given them vodka, and have a party.'

Don't you mean Tequilla?

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Perthworld  
Earlier this year

What type of reptilian is LK?

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Tom  
Earlier this year

Barlow McCarron Pledger, Boon laid the foundation for superstars to finish Perth off. Perth has to get significant offensive help from Kay, Steindl, Wagstaff, Norton or Brandt to stay in this. White, Cotton have to do too much. Winner of G3 will go on to title.

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AngusH  
Earlier this year

@ Perthworld; the shape shifting lizard kind, like the British royal family, duh.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Moller and Hooley chip in playing very good D for around 10-15 minutes per game, grab a few points and Moller take boards, all very useful while the stars rest, especially with Goulding on the floor at same time as he can get a few points.
In hind sight it looks like the reason Hooley was kept and Adnam was let go. Melbourne are very strong through the two, three spot. Goulding, McCarron, Kennedy, Moller.
Home court still should make Perth favourites though.

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Cram  
Earlier this year

There's no conspiracy. The refs are just bad, not paid off.

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Perthworld  
Earlier this year

AngusH that makes perfect sense as they are the sneakiest type. Thanks.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Perth did well to get this far, but at the important part of the season they still have the same problems that have plagued them all year.

I still find it utterly incomprehensible that after 6 months of insisting that they did not need to replace Hire with an import, they wait until the day after the deadline, then announce his retirement and sit him on the end of the bench.

The dominance of Kennedy in this series is critical and informative. The Wildcats won championships with Ennis and Prather, and we have seen what other brilliant small forwards can do. Yet for some reason Perth hired another shooting guard supposedly to boost their 3 point %, and he has sucked from that range.

Stiendl is too hit and miss. Bottom line is that guys are valued on what they can do when the season is on the line, and so far he's gone missing when it counts.

Same with Wagstaff. He hasn't necessarily gotten worse with age, just more and more erratic.

Perth seem to have no plan to combat Boone and Pledge. Considering they each have a range of about 2 feet, it shouldn't be this difficult to keep them off the glass and stop them shoving it back in. Jervis just seems to have completely lost his bottle since returning to Perth.

Vague I think has had an ok year but he has no finals experience.

I think this will go to 5 games, but I don't feel comfortable relying on home court to bring that 3rd win

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Trev  
Earlier this year

Melbourne in 4 games. Wildcats were shithouse and no way will they win game 3. Terrible, worst game by them all season.

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