Earlier this month
Enjoy watching SBL games with my grand kids. Been on this forum quite a few times over the past few months. But disgusted of late with the rubbish on here. So thinking why bother to come back on here. Lot of posters need to have a good hard look at what they are saying - great promotion of a great family sport - NOT !!!!!!
Two weeks ago
Whatever it cost was bad value for money. They were hopelessly outclassed by the Hawks. Their offense has that familiar rushed shot style, three point reliance and ineffective on ball screens. They beat the Hawks twice during the season but will be lucky to avoid total embarrassment next weekend.
Its a shame braun and timms are no longer available for kalamunda as they would probably get over the wolves in the first round if they had them healthy and playing.
Suns were up at half time with a very very thin roster and 1 good import. Probably more fair to say a fantastic import.
Wolves got it right in the 3rd quarter and pushed the game out of contention but with the roster they have it should never even be that close
Utley has done an outstanding job with that team
2019 Suns under Utley = 13 wins 13 losses. 8th position on ladder. 1 game out of 7th.
2018 Suns under Clarke = 10 wins 16 losses. 10th position on ladder. 2 games out of 8th.
2019 Suns Aussies largely the same only they lost Kerrod Horn who was averaging about 12ppg. the 2019 team did pick up Easley who averages about 6ppg but got an additional 5ppg out of Timms than the 2018 team did this practically made up the loss of Horn.
The big difference between the 2019 and 2018 teams is the production from their imports. Blake played the same amount of games as Belger did last year as did Braun vs Davis so its a comparable sample
to be honest i think Creek is also a contender.
Giants have been a basket case for the last few seasons and burned through coach after coach none of which could get them back into playoff contention.
Had it not been for Bowie getting injured and missing a number of games later in the season they would have finished higher than 7th. I would have projected top 5.
Hes done a stellar job with that group
Mr. Big Checks
Two weeks ago
Suns could of easily won 16-17 games this year really started to click after Timms injury. Gero went from being one of the favorites to not contending over night which is tough for them. Lakeside a dark horse to win this thing as many teams don't match up with them very well.
having good imports doesnt make you coach of the year but it takes a good coach to recruit them in the first place and then get the most out of them while they are here. getting them to buy into the culture and system and be team guys is certainly a product of good coaching
name a coach who has recruited better imports this season?
Geraldton have sent 2 home, Willetton also sent 2 home and missed playoffs. Magic struck out on their replacement for shabaaz. Kalgoorlie changed an import right after the blitz. Hawks import comes off the bench. Cockburns Milam experiment went wrong. Redbacks debacle with Demunyk cost them. Probably the most stable combinations outside of Kalamundas imports is Stirling, Rockingham and Lakeside none of which are performing to the level of blake and braun.
Maybe utley does have a case for COY?
Two weeks ago
Flames Men choke yet again. Seems to be a huge problem with that men's program down there year after year. Doesn't matter who the coach is, the culture has to change down there if they ever want to be serious contenders.
Nix is safe for at least another year. Has a very young group but will be vying for a top 4 spot again next season. Poor form by D Black running an offense with 18 seconds left in game up by 30+. Show some sportsmanship doccy for heavens sake. Senators need to be taken seriously on the Women's side. Do they have the depth though to challenge the Lightning
Were there injuries or bigger issues with wolves?
I thought steindl was replaced with import.
What's gone on there? Bit of a mess. Were players not playing hard for nixy?
Funny that wolves supporter above has to complain about poor form for a 30pt smashing 2 weeks in a row.
Funny how the wolves are happy to call out others on their unsportsmanlike behaviours and then 24hrs later have their mens program doing the same thing with Ettridge calling a timeout with 30 seconds to go up 30 to an undermanned suns team..
Can't wait for the Big Parsnip and his Horkies to send the Wolves home with their tails between their legs in the semis.
It's a shame though I would've liked to see history repeat and them choke another grandfinal.
Franko you are on the money my friend.
Would love to see Etto in another grand final and go for the 4 peat (all whilst being favourites).
But unfortunately its well known that he fears Parsons and clearly gets out coached every time.
Usually Etto has the stronger teams and still cant get it done, this time it may be the hawkies who have the better list.
Anyway lets hope he gets the 4 peat, he deserves it.
WSBL QTR FINAL LOSERS.
SUNS - deep down I think they would be disappointed in not winning a finals game this season. a very talented starting 5 . they need to find an inside presence and some more depth. also having your second import come in late does not help your position on the ladder. tom Knowles has been at the helm of this club for 3 yrs with limited success.
TIGERS - really good to see some of their local players step up gandini,winter,kelly etc - they deserved to get a win in one of those games to reward them for effort. synder was solid , bibbins was a flop and this was the piece they needed to get right. parker will continue to do a good job at tigerland.
MAGIC - they will be disappointed that another opportunity has slipped.
particularly this year with having 2 imports and carly boag playing as a non-restricted player. its time for this team to turn over some players,re sign boag and re-load. dunkemeir was seriously a bad choice with palusna leaving left them undersized , lucky brown fell in their lap because they would have missed finals - coach watts ?
WOLVES - biggest disappointment of the year - recruited 5/6 players outside the club - totally destroys that clubs culture doing so. the girls who come before him had great culture and team harmony - that's gone. to lose steindel and kidner is significant but if you have good structures in place you can still be competitive. 100 pt combined loss to hawks ouch! coach nix ? wow
good luck to the remaining 4 teams left.
Wolves women appeared to clear the rot out of the joint end of last year.
Injury curse struck this year, not flash, but cultural disease was fixed.
Not sure investment, but sources say leadership suggest money well spent to see a few walk the plank end 2018
755482 . It always amazes me how wolves can justify failure. They have become experts.
Clear out the rot by spending 60 on other clubs best coaches, key players and best juniors but pretend to be about your own club and juniors.
Oh Cmon .Ha ha . Good one
You must be a miserable old SOB to be calling kids teams pathetic. Take your negativity somewhere else or if you are one of the kids who obviously lost, then get back in the driveway and work on your game. Dad's name might have got you in the team but only hard work and getting on the daily grind will make you a winner pal.
2019 SBL Shaqtin A Fool Awards
1. Ref who needs to be told to hang up the whistle: P Throns / M Hughes (Draw)
2. Underskilled Journeyman who will shock others with another SBL gig in 2020: C Easley
3. Club with dodgiest attendance figures in 2019: Rockingham
4. Womens coach under the most pressure already in 2020: Nix
5. Surprise Mens coaching appointment nobody will see coming: Craig Jackson to Perth! (You heard it here first people)
6. Mens semi finals team most likely to miss finals in 2020: Lakeside
Nix may be under pressure in 2020, if the rumours about the 60k are true. But Wolves did finish 3rd and lost their best player mid season and the back up big two thirds into the season as well, I'm sure he won't be too stressed re the pressure
Pressure maybe more on Redbacks and Slammers coaches, they'd be sweating more than a fat man wearing a tracksuit in a sauna. Slammers bought two imports and Redbacks bought an import and an opals player, imho those teams missing out on finals raises more questions than Nix "only" getting his team to finish third. 60k to finish 3rd and have a shot at playoffs vs 45k to finish 9th and be poolside on an early vacation, what's more wasteful?
Nix got his team to hold that third spot without great players, so clearly he is a great coach, whereas Slammers and Redbacks had great players and missed the 8, clearly they weren't coached well and perhaps their coaches could do with more time developing under a great coach like Nix. I think he'd take one of them on as an assistant team manager if they asked, me thinks at least one of them will be on the look for a new job
One may reasonably ponder where to from here for the Redbacks?
Perhaps the season's most underperformed club, across both programs, particularly given recent finals success +, and a lack of junior volume alongside the poor club order and cohesion means that the better days are some way off in the distance.
Maybe a cautionary tale of picking the battles you can win, rather than those that you simply desire to fight
Technically if you include their long period at Loftus they have had three stadiums but none have ever been big enough to call a home and they have never settled somewhere long enough for a council to fully support them. I can see a merge with them and the Eagles soon unless something dramatically changes as neither can survive much longer based on very limited development and dwindling finances / members
Redbacks and Eagles are in a similar situation regarding a stadium. Should meet in the middle and have a team named Highgate. They could pressure BWA to share Bendat or lobby the Perth City Council (who appear very lobbyable if you've got some folding) to build something that would accommodate a big club and represent the City of Perth.
I remember BWA's big push to have Stirling and Eagles amalgamate, but it had little traction. Hard pill to swallow for long term club supporters, but it worked in the AFL where the history and tradition are far stronger.
It would certainly strengthen the competition, and that's a thought BWA should embrace.
It could work. Equal access and opportunity for both clubs to source courts away from Bendat for training and junior comps. Lords, Loftus come to mind. City of Cambridge might cough up - they have had a free kick when it comes to recreational facilities with all the Govt funded facilities in the leafy areas.
Can't see the Hawks allowing anyone into their zone at Lords to run a domestic comp. Loftus is just far away that it doesn't worry them but given Lords is on the same stretch of road, nope ain't gonna happen.
Hindsight is a wonderful thing and in retrospect, the Redbacks should have investigated the Lathlain Park option years ago when they had the chance to almagamate with the Demons and create Perth Sports Club on the old car park. Right on the train line, still in their heartland and they could have easily has a six court stadium with plenty of room for shared offices and parking to boot. The only other option is to head back to Curtin and hope they consider adding a showvourt onto their existing facility to make it a four court complex and add some permanent offices from there. Both Vic Park and Herb Graham are nothing more than band aids who's best years are, like the clubs that play out of them, well and truly in the past and it seems only a matter of time before those clubs fold if the stadiums themselves dont collapse on them first
Lords is run down and only has 3 courts, and is operated by City of Subiaco. There is no chance of anything happening there.
With BWA senior domestic on weeknights and Hawks juniors on Saturday, there is simply no way another association can be based out of Bendat BC. Hawks are just a lucky bunch.
could we see A. Stewart once again grace the SBL sidelines, this time for the blue and gold?
Lakeside would have to be pretty concerned if that was the case as there would be many loyal supporters that would very easily drive a few extra kms to Wally Hagan
Redbacks have won the comp and attracted good players without a stadium before. Both teams had very good players this season, are you suggesting having a stadium would attract better coaches because all the other boxes were ticked this season with that being the only exception...
Redhage won Perth the Championship, let's not make any other inclinations about that one please! Spent a decent amount of money on both mens and womens programs this year for absolutely zero return. Now Nik has seen the writing on the wall that the bank is all but shut and thought, cool now it's time to be a family man and all the best to him with that. But in terms of CLUB, here are the alarming figures. You have 74 junior domestic teams spread across three suburbs and a large footprint of the inner city in Vic Park, Belmont & Leederville. Given none of these areas are threatened by other WABL clubs, that teams figure should easily be in the triple figures but its not. You have an under 16 and 18 combined girls domestic division with only FIVE teams - 5. How is that supposed to encourage and develop into strong WABL players. No sign of an under 14 girls competition at either centre either. And then there was the classic double booking of stadiums on Sunday forcing visiting wabl teams to have to drive to belmont to play because your full time staff couldn't do their job and book all the courts at Vic Park. My son's team arrived at Vic Park at 8:30am for a 9:00am game only to be told it would now be at belmont at 8:30am. I thought that was bad but then found out there was a poor Rockingham team who really drew the short straw and were playing before us at 7:30am, which meant coming from so far away you would imagine they got to vic park at 7:00am to be told sorry, you have to drive 20 mins east of here. Your lack of on court success as a club at the moment is only overshadowed by the trump like boisterisms that all is fine and well off the court when it really couldn't be further from the truth. Do what is best for the club and start to have those conversations with East Perth or you will end up like the swan city mustangs: non existent within the next few years.
Swan city mustangs merger with the kalamunda hornets to make the kalamunda eastern suns was the most recent merger i can recall. whilst they arent the strongest performing club in the competition they are stable at least.
mergers arent always the answer either. Stirling was in big trouble as a club until churches of christ took the reigns. they now seem to be on a great path with their new direction and didnt merge with another club.
My son's team arrived at Vic Park at 8:30am for a 9:00am game only to be told it would now be at belmont at 8:30am.I assume you mean 9.30am.
sorry, you have to drive 20 mins east of hereIf it takes you 20 minutes to get from Vic Park to Belmont, fire your navigator.
Oh Kobe always here to fix our mistakes. If only your mum had fixed hers and swallowed rather than what she did do hey! Yes 9:30 was the time and we hit all sorts of traffic on Archer St for no good reason through Carlisle on a sunday no less. Turns out some elderly woman forgot to give way at a roundabout and the accident caused the stock standard perth 5kmh drive by for the next 15 minutes. Anon I totally agree regarding Stirling but their one big difference outside of having prime real estate to expand on, was that they already had a four court stadium they called their own. Was it run down and in desperate need of a makeover, sure; But they had a decent foundation to work from. Perth and East Perth do not have that at all. 3 court stadiums strongly limit growth, and when you are just a user in terms of stadium management, you also have to share those limited facilities with your netball, indoor soccer, volleyball, floorball, badmintons of the world also. If I was Perth i'd be putting a proposal to the City of South Perth to upgrade the George Burnett Facility on Manning Rd. Direct freeway access, huge room for development to make it a five or seven court facility, no parking issues with nearby sporting fields, be the primary tenant of a new stadium within their zone and open up to a bright future not too far from their current base at Vic Park. If I was the Perth President / Board, I would definitely be putting alot of energy into that proposal
Four counts of indecently deals with a student over 16 in his care
One count of sexual penetration with a student over 16 in his care
If he's guilty of any of those, particularly the last one, then he gets to wear a green tracksuit for a couple of years at least. Will never teach or coach again you would imagine
Using a position of power to have sex with a person under the age of 18 in your care is so much more than just a massive mistake, it's disgustingly planned out and done knowing full well the consequences if caught. Ask around in both Kalgoorlie and Geraldton at the moment and the rumours are rife that this was not an isolated case for him. Do they dig deeper and look at Broome or his current position with Seda? The general consensus is this is literally barely scratching the surface
Someone suggested that its not isolated to his time in Kalgoorlie and Geraldton people are suggesting its the tip of the iceberg.
There was nothing mentioned in the article about there could be more cases in Geraldton or any other place he lived. Article was when 12 years ago, clearly when he was in Kalgoorlie.
Cockburn would be dead without Tyrone? Try again buddy!!! Cockburn was doing just fine in the years past, dating well back to the 80's and 90's. The council will be looking to fund a new stadium soon which all cougars people voted for.
Why would no ex cougars get a coaching job? Prefer to give it to an Ex-Willetton guy again would we? Cougars would have no issue signing Grant Davey to coach the team.
I really wish that these matters would not be put in the public area until the person is found either guilty, or innocent. I believe our Law states a person is innocent until proven guilty and that is not guilty in the media but in a Court of Law. You destroy the lives of good honest people without knowing the full extent of the story. There is so much more to this story than meets the eye. Obviously the young lady was over the age of consent, did she or did she not consent to the alleged sexual act. Did she instigate the incident if so she should take responsibility for her own actions. Did the actual alleged incident take place and if so does the young lady know exactly when or is she herself unsure. Like I said so many things that are not put into your story but the devastation is still the same as the disgusting animals who actually deal with underage children.
Sadly the we have become a society that castigates people but the written word of the media, who are not always correct in their assumptions and who love to make a story look far more important than it is.
Please people, this is someone 's son, husband and father, he is a good man who has achieved amazing things in his life, why can't we be told of some of those things. I am not family by the way, just someone who is tired of the Media's castration of the truth for sensationalism.
"Cockburn was doing just fine in the years past....."
The stadium was a shithole and kids were walking out the door. One family had control of the juniors and destroyed the competitions due to ego and a dictatorial attitude.
Financial situation was dire, being kept afloat by loans from past board members. Cash flow was negative.
Turnaround started with the Harris board and continues now but its still along way back.
Doubt the new stadium ever happens. A move to Cockburn ARC is the only hope I would say.
Anon 142, would you feel the same way about "achieved amazing things in his life" if this was your daughter who has accused him, I doubt it. Regardless of if she gave him consent or not, the question will be did he use his position of power to influence her giving consent. I also question what happens if other students are also named as supporting evidence during the trial. Experience would show that stuff like this doesn't go to trial unless the prosecution has some fairly solid evidence, regardless of what Heron has done on the court this is what he will be remembered for now.
Whilst I agree whole hearted he is someones son, father and husband. The Victim is also someone's daughter and potentially someones sister. Lets not forget that. Whether she consented or even instigated it DOES NOT MATTER. Yes she is over he legal age of consent to engage in that behavior with someone other then with someone who is in a place of authority.
Unfortunately he was a teacher and the legal age of consent for that is 18. He knew it was wrong, ALL TEACHERS are told this and he chose to ignore that.
For the record im not a family member of either nor a teacher.
Earlier this week
I spoke with Steindl tonight. It's his back playing up. Hopefully it's good for next weekend.
For the Wolves it was Ironmonger & Iliadis who performed down the stretch with some nice drives to the hoop.
Next weekend is certainly going to be a ripper. It will be intense!!
Big Booty Ho
A couple of hours ago
Coach of the Year: Mansfield (Lightning) Smokey: Dagostino (Senators)
MVP: Barr (Senators) Smokey: Garbin (Flames)
All Star 5: Dyer (Slammers) Barr (Senators) Steindl (Wolves) Snyder (Tigers) Garbin (Flames)
Rookie: Williams (Redbacks) if she still qualifies? Smokey: Winter (Tigers)
Coach of the Year: Joseph (Buccs) Smokey: Creek (Giants)
MVP: Braun (Suns) Smokey: Nelson (Redbacks)
All Star 5: Nelson (Redbacks) Blake (Suns) Burke (Giants) Ritchart (Flames) Braun (Suns)
Rookie: Travers (Flames) Smokey: Cross (Senators)
Referee of the Year: Craig Copes
Most Improved Referee: Nick Sokolich
Personality of the Year: Brett Costello
Bucc's 1-0 up and should be a good showing this weekend, hoping they can pick up a win, but if we no anything its that you cant trust Bucc's in finals!!
Wolves in the box seat 1-0.
Lucky break with no Steindl game 1.
Parsons we know will now make required adjustments (major one will be Steindl playing).
We all no that Ettridge does'nt make adjustments.
If anyone can stuff it up from here it Etto.
Parson's to again out coach him and head back to the GF.
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